Video: Fred’s awful new immigration ad

posted at 1:24 pm on November 14, 2007 by Allahpundit

Not only could every other Republican in the field have run this spot, but thanks to America’s worst governor, by the time next fall rolls around we might be seeing stuff like this from the Democratic nominee. Why would a guy who’s rolled out a substantive immigration plan confine himself to 30 seconds of the most generic policy platitudes?

And what’s that “oh, why hello there!” newspaper bit at the beginning?


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Over the last few months, I can definitely say that Fred hasn’t ceased to underwhelm me.

MadisonConservative on November 14, 2007 at 1:27 PM

I kind of liked it. But then I’m just a back porch country boy.

Matticus Finch on November 14, 2007 at 1:27 PM

c’mon it’s not that bad

bigbeas on November 14, 2007 at 1:27 PM

He needs to go on the attack and say, “Huckabee was practically inviting illegal immigrants over. Giuliani made New York a sanctuary city. And you just know that Romney would be giving cheap abortions to illegal immigrants if only his state was closer to Mexico!”

frankj on November 14, 2007 at 1:28 PM

He needs to go on the attack and say, “Huckabee was practically inviting illegal immigrants over. Giuliani made New York a sanctuary city. And you just know that Romney would be giving cheap abortions to illegal immigrants if only his state was closer to Mexico!”

frankj on November 14, 2007 at 1:28 PM

What he said.

Bad Candy on November 14, 2007 at 1:29 PM

Didn’t mean to interrupt while you’re reading the paper…

Who comes up with these ads? The folksy charm is about at an 8, we need it about at a 4. Thanks

brak on November 14, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Yeah, that would have been vastly better. What does this ad accomplish? Nothing.

Allahpundit on November 14, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Missed opportunity. Whoever wins the Republican nomination is going to have to separate themselves more explicitly from the president’s policies on this issue. Thompson could have pointed out what he found objectionable about the president’s policy and hyped his own plan.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 1:32 PM

And what’s that “oh, why hello there!” newspaper bit at the beginning?

Fred putting down the newspaper is a signal that he’s finally in the race for real.

pedestrian on November 14, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Not bad. I like Folksy Charm, even though I am personally neither particularly Folksy nor Charming. The “intro” is sort of a trademark to all the Fred video, I think–spins around in his chair, slaps the old codger on the head there in the Cracker Barrel, puts down the paper, some bit of business. You never just see him start talking to you.

Didn’t bother me but I’ll tell you what did–the head bobbing. I suspect YouTube makes it look worse than it will on TV, but he kind of looked twitchy.

see-dubya on November 14, 2007 at 1:35 PM

What does this ad accomplish?

“Hi, I’m Fred Thompson! I’m a famous TV actor and I’m also a Southerner!”

Name recognition + regional chauvinism = Fred Thompson campaign

Enrique on November 14, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Thompson could have pointed out what he found objectionable about the president’s policy and hyped his own plan.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 1:32 PM

I agree that the ad was a bit generic and bland, but how much detail can one really go into in 30 seconds?

I’d have liked to at least see him plug his website for details of his plan though.

Hollowpoint on November 14, 2007 at 1:37 PM

And FOLKSY CHARM, Enrique.

see-dubya on November 14, 2007 at 1:37 PM

Name recognition + regional chauvinism = Fred Thompson campaign

Enrique on November 14, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Name recognition + regional chauvinism = Rudy’s campaign. Well, that and trying to hide his liberalism.

Hollowpoint on November 14, 2007 at 1:38 PM

I agree that the ad was a bit generic and bland, but how much detail can one really go into in 30 seconds?

I think graphically, you can put details from the president’s plan on one side, his own on the other. If my past life as a marketing lackey writer taught me anything, it’s that everything can be bulleted.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 1:38 PM

The electorate is not as sophisticated as some bloggers and media types think they are (and are themselves.)

Maybe the best way to get your message across to the whole population is to be as simple and boilerplate as possible.

AlexB on November 14, 2007 at 1:50 PM

See, here’s what I have in mind, borrowing a bit from that Raj guy; it has the advantage of neutralizing the head bob.

Hah, Ah’m Fred Thompson and ah’m ridin’ this here bull elephant across the border near Ciudad Juarez. Howdy, Paco! (Pats surprised man in sombrero.)

(clenches jaw) Friends, we need to secure the border today. You never know when an illegal alien suicide bomber will ride an elephant full of cocaine, dynamite, and tuberculosis into the United States. Or even a whole herd of elephants. (Camera pans back to show a long caravan of pachyderms. Jeri and Haley wave from a howdah.) Mike Huckabee and Rudy Giuliani want rogue undocumented bull elephants rampaging through your folksy charming hometown. But with your support, we can start a grassroots stampede of our own. Giddyap, Jumbo! (spurs elephant) Ah’m Folksy Charm and ah approve this messaaaaaagggeee…..

see-dubya on November 14, 2007 at 1:51 PM

“We can do a lot better than this.”

In more ways than one, Fred.

nosliwelyk on November 14, 2007 at 1:51 PM

Fred’s campaign defines mediocrity and it’s just sad to see.

bj1126 on November 14, 2007 at 1:51 PM

He IS speaking to America at large people. (not us political junkies)

Too many details sends their heads spinning (picture: checkout lady, fat guy in front of you at sporting event, etc. Not exactly rocket scientists.)

I’ll take folksy charmsy over too slick or New Yawk anyday of the week.

omnipotent on November 14, 2007 at 1:52 PM

And what’s that “oh, why hello there!” newspaper bit at the beginning?

Subtle Bush jab?

“The best way to get the news, is from objective sources. And the most objective sources I have are people on my staff who tell me what’s happening in the world.”

– Bush, on why he doesn’t read the newspaper

Probably just a “hey, I’m a regular joe and I hang out in coffeehouses like you” thing.

Underwhelming ad. I think Thompson is way more conservative than Romney or Giuliani. He needs to be talking about that.

Mark Jaquith on November 14, 2007 at 1:52 PM

Allahpundit on November 14, 2007 at 1:30 PM

It accomplishes what it has always accomplished. Getting those who are enamored by him to continue to send him money. Most of us aren’t impressed with the folksy colloquialisms or the stolen conservative talking points. But his supporters get all riled up like this is something special. It’s emotion over substance. Fred’s meme from being an actor.

csdeven on November 14, 2007 at 1:52 PM

He IS speaking to America at large people.

Yes — in precisely the same language as every other Republican candidate. How does that conceivably help him in the polls?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2007 at 1:53 PM

in precisely the same language as every other Republican candidate

Nope.
Every other Republican gets specific.

AlexB on November 14, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Allahpundit on November 14, 2007 at 1:53 PM

I’ve heard Mitt come out against Illegal Immegration inan ad, but not a peep from Rudy, McCain (wonder why), or Huck.

omnipotent on November 14, 2007 at 1:56 PM

At least Fred has a plan. Good article over at NRO about Fred today, lays out solid plans to reform Social Security and immigration.

bubby62 on November 14, 2007 at 1:56 PM

Why would Fred speak to America? Does he not realize that his audience is primary voters who can handle the details?

Maybe his wife wrote this because she has other plans for his, uh I mean his contributors $8 million?

csdeven on November 14, 2007 at 1:57 PM

These ads make him look/sound like a spokesman for Cracker Barrel.

CP on November 14, 2007 at 1:58 PM

These ads make him look/sound like a spokesman for Cracker Barrel.

I have yet to be in a Cracker Barrel that isn’t crowded.

bnelson44 on November 14, 2007 at 1:59 PM

At least Fred has a plan.

That’s the point of our criticism. Thompson does have a plan. He should talk about it.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Why would a guy who’s rolled out a substantive immigration plan confine himself to 30 seconds of the most generic policy platitudes?

Because he’s lazy.

And what’s that “oh, why hello there!” newspaper bit at the beginning?

Good question, especially since it’s not spontaneous, since the commercial that’s running here all the time shows him in that same joint. Evidently he lives there now.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=21nN_YUbkOY

I also just dug up an edited and longer version

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LXwxIqRh1us

RightWinged on November 14, 2007 at 2:00 PM

At least Fred has a plan. Good article over at NRO about Fred today, lays out solid plans to reform Social Security and immigration.

bubby62 on November 14, 2007 at 1:56 PM

He may have great plans, but if he doesn’t get some people to get his campaign in gear, it won’t make a difference.

thirteen28 on November 14, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Fred needs some Puppy Uppers.

T J Green on November 14, 2007 at 2:07 PM

The head bobbing and overdone expressions serve only to remind me that he’s an actor. A good actor, perhaps, but an actor nonetheless. Since the obvious comparison is to the actor Reagan, I’ll point out that Reagan was a poor actor.

Given his thin resume and lackluster poll numbers, he’s got to do a lot better than this if he’s going to convince anyone to take a chance on him.

As with Rudy, I won’t whine if Fred gets the nomination, but he’s not doing much to excite me at this point. His campaign staffing woes don’t inspire a whole lot of confidence either.

Splashman on November 14, 2007 at 2:10 PM

Why would a guy who’s rolled out a substantive immigration plan confine himself to 30 seconds of the most generic policy platitudes?

Easy answer. Money. I thought the add accomplishes exactly what was intended for a relatively low price. It would have been fantastic to see him go into a list of the pro-illegal actions by Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee, but it would have cost a fortune for the extra TWO HOURS that would have been needed to fit it all in.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:12 PM

I’d have liked to at least see him plug his website for details of his plan though.

Hollowpoint on November 14, 2007 at 1:37 PM

All the candidates should be doing this. Hard to imagine why they don’t. Are they assuming “connected” viewers are already visiting the candidates’ websites? If so, that’s foolish.

Splashman on November 14, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Actually, I expect this ad to be effective with the vast majority of Americans who are not political junkies but are concerned about this issue. They want someone to talk straight with them about what he believes. Thompson’s three points (secure the borders, enforce the law, no amnesty), with a dose of national security thrown in, resonate with them. And I know some people are distracted by his head bob, but I don’t believe it will work against him to any significant degree–the head bob was one of Reagan’s more imitated mannerisms, and it makes him seem less contrived than someone whose every move seems choreographed.

DrMagnolias on November 14, 2007 at 2:16 PM

I’ll take folksy charmsy over too slick or New Yawk anyday of the week.

Lots of bigotry in that statement. Unfortunately “folsky charmsy” here is talking to the electorate as if they were school children who need to be comforted. Fred seems fine, but if he doesn’t get specific he will go nowhere.

sweeper on November 14, 2007 at 2:18 PM

…but it would have cost a fortune for the extra TWO HOURS that would have been needed to fit it all in.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Perhaps that’s an attempt at humor? Or is it just a really lame, hyperbolic defense of Fred?

He could have differentiated himself from the others in less than 5 seconds (“Other candidates, Republican and Democrat, refuse to take a strong stance on illegal immigration”) and then spent 10 seconds on bullet points. That would still leave him another 10 seconds for head-bobbing. Heck, he could even throw in a cigar-chomp or two.

Splashman on November 14, 2007 at 2:20 PM

DrMagnolias on November 14, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Yes it would, but Fred has to appeal to primary voters first.

csdeven on November 14, 2007 at 2:21 PM

I think the cigar was a prop for the slightly skeevier internet crowd. You can’t light up a panatela in the middle of Cracker Barrel.

see-dubya on November 14, 2007 at 2:27 PM

I’ll take folksy charmsy over too slick or New Yawk anyday of the week.

omnipotent on November 14, 2007 at 1:52 PM

C’mon now. What you call “folksy charm” others call “Southern pandering”, just as “Intelligent & well-prepared” is called “slick”. You hear what you want to hear, which is fine, but don’t expect to convince anyone of anything.

Splashman on November 14, 2007 at 2:27 PM

I have yet to be in a Cracker Barrel that isn’t crowded.

bnelson44 on November 14, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Touche.

CP on November 14, 2007 at 2:29 PM

Craptacular waste of advertising money.

Whoever wrote that thing should be sh%#canned ASAP.

Oh wait. It was Jeri?

BacaDog on November 14, 2007 at 2:30 PM

CP on November 14, 2007 at 2:29 PM

We have to remember that Fred is not trying to get the votes of bloggers but of average Americans who vote in republican primaries. For all I know, this type of add will work for him.

bnelson44 on November 14, 2007 at 2:31 PM

…the head bob was one of Reagan’s more imitated mannerisms, and it makes him seem less contrived than someone whose every move seems choreographed.

DrMagnolias on November 14, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Uh, what? The head-bob is a contrived mannerism which will make Fred seem less contrived?

Splashman on November 14, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Ida know. I kinda liked it.

Succinct. On point. On message. The information on the specifics is being made available, in detail and availability that you don’t see from … well, just about any of the other candidates.

No need to grab people by the scruff of the neck and rub their faces in it.

Which, of course, could be a criticism of the Rudy ad with him going on about being the saviour of New York.

If you want to elect a manager, vote for Rudy. Want to elect someone who speaks to you, otoh…

Wind Rider on November 14, 2007 at 2:34 PM

He could have differentiated himself from the others in less than 5 seconds

Splashman on November 14, 2007 at 2:20 PM

If you believe that, then you’re not really familiar with just how pro-illegal the other three are. It would have taken a two hour show to go through all the La Raza a$$ kissing Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee have participated in.

And maybe you’re not familiar with how television ad fees are charged. They don’t give you an option to add 5 seconds to a 30 second spot. For 30 seconds, he said plenty for the average voter to understand where he stands on the issue.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:37 PM

Where are Ross Perot’s charts when you need them?

sweeper on November 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM

If you believe that, then you’re not really familiar with just how pro-illegal the other three are. It would have taken a two hour show to go through all the La Raza a$$ kissing Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee have participated in.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that any of those candidates have ties with La Raza, or support that organization at all?

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:42 PM

Way too nice.

Halley on November 14, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Does Fred know any black people?

tommylotto on November 14, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Wind Rider on November 14, 2007 at 2:34 PM

If you want to elect a manager WHO WILL MANAGE AS A LIBERAL AND IMPLIMENT ALL THOSE POLICIES YOU ARE MOST AGAINST, such as amnesty, illegal aliens with drivers licenses, abortion, gun grabbing, and connections to amazingly corrupt individuals, vote for Rudy.

Fixed it for you

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:47 PM

Does Fred know any black people?

tommylotto on November 14, 2007 at 2:46 PM

Why do you ask that?

JiangxiDad on November 14, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Do you have any evidence to suggest that any of those candidates have ties with La Raza, or support that organization at all?

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:42 PM

LOL! I’ll simply laugh at that. You’re not serious, are you? Really? Seriously? Why don’t you call someone from La Raza and ask which GOP candidates they favor in the Republican primaries?

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:50 PM

LOL! I’ll simply laugh at that. You’re not serious, are you? Really? Seriously? Why don’t you call someone from La Raza and ask which GOP candidates they favor in the Republican primaries?

So your answer is no, then.

Thanks.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:50 PM

So your answer is no, then.

Thanks.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Can you read Spanish?

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:52 PM

So your answer is no, then.

Thanks.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:50 PM

How about English?

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Can you read Spanish?

Not well enough to translate that, but I can use Babelfish.

Here’s the headline: “McCain to announce candidacy.”

Whoa. That’s some real La Raza butt-kissin’ there, Gregor.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Wow! Anyone beside McCain??

JiangxiDad on November 14, 2007 at 2:56 PM

How about English?

How about something from this year, not 2004?

This election season, Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee have turned down opportunities to speak to La Raza.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:56 PM

Wow! Anyone beside McCain??

JiangxiDad on November 14, 2007 at 2:56 PM

For all you Huckabee bandwagoners.

How about something from this year, not 2004?

This election season, Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee have turned down opportunities to speak to La Raza.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 2:56 PM

Oh I get it. Their words during a Presidential campaign are more important than their actions throughout their entire careers?

Good thinking.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Oh I get it. Their words during a Presidential campaign are more important than their actions throughout their entire careers?

Ha. Move the goalposts much. You accused them of “a**-kissing” La Raza, and have only shown one candidate who’s actually spoken to them – three years ago. You have yet to show the connections to La Raza for Romney, Giuliani or Huckabee.

For your first piece of “evidence” you pulled up a picture of McCain from a La Raza story that announced his candidacy. But it was in Spanish, so I guess that makes it sinister.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Fire the producer:

- Hold Fred’s head still,
- Give him a meaningful script – this one was stupid,
- Either tell the two behind him to sit still, or better yet, get rid of them altogether; distracting and pointless.

Bad ad.

Go Mitt!

Jaibones on November 14, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Thompson has the best and most comprehensive solutions for illegal immigration. Political geeks who are paying close attention can go here to see it. I’ll be interested to see how all of you political ad producers will fit it into 30 seconds and keep it appealing.

jaime on November 14, 2007 at 3:08 PM

You accused them of “a**-kissing” La Raza, and have only shown one candidate who’s actually spoken to them – three years ago. You have yet to show the connections to La Raza for Romney, Giuliani or Huckabee.

For your first piece of “evidence” you pulled up a picture of McCain from a La Raza story that announced his candidacy. But it was in Spanish, so I guess that makes it sinister.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 3:03 PM

And here we find ourselves dealing with another dishonest reader. I posted one in English for you which detailed supporting statements made to the groups membership, but you conveniently ignore that. I also linked to the same trash out of Mike Huckabee, but you fail to mention that, don’t you.

You also want to pretend that the three somehow don’t have a long history of illegal alien supporting actions which clearly define their stance on the issue. Whatever it takes to get your guy elected, right. Regardless if he’s actually conservative or not, as long as your guy wins. Damn the country and all, right?

You’re one of those guys who continually ask for evidence and then completely ignore everything that’s thrown your way. It’s a waste of time.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 3:11 PM

thanks for the info.

JiangxiDad on November 14, 2007 at 3:13 PM

You have yet to show the connections to La Raza for Romney, Giuliani or Huckabee.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 3:03 PM

I never suggested Romney had a connection to La Raza or supported their agenda. Did you get that wrong on purpose?

I said McCain.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 3:20 PM

So, you acknowlede Fred has a comprhensive plan for immigration, and when he highlights the key points of that plan in a 30 sec commercial, its a bad move?
Puhlease.

Fred is inevitable.

VolMagic on November 14, 2007 at 3:23 PM

boo hoo, y’all.

fred’s the man.

how’s that for political discourse? muahahaha

JazzBass on November 14, 2007 at 3:27 PM

How does Rudy really feel about illegal aliens?

MAYOR GIULIANI CONVENES IMMIGRATION COALITION ON ELLIS ISLAND TO FIGHT FEDERAL ANTI-IMMIGRANT LEGISLATION

Releases Report Showing NYC Immigration Up By 32% In The 90′s New York City Will Host National Immigration Conference Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today joined a cross section of New Yorkers on Ellis Island to announce the creation of an Immigration Coalition that will mount a public education campaign to the vital contributions immigrants make to our nation and to overturn recently enacted federal anti-immigrant legislation and policies. The Mayor was joined by members of the Coalition, which includes business leaders, educators, writers, artists and representatives of community and immigration organizations from virtually every ethnic community in America. Representing the Coalition at the press conference were Manuel Matos, executive director of the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights, Dennis Walcott, president of the New York Urban League, renowned mezzo soprano Teresa Stratas, and bestselling author Frank McCourt.

“What better place to launch our campaign for the rights of immigrants than here on Ellis Island, the golden door through which millions of immigrants passed on their way to a new life in a new land,” Mayor Giuliani said. “I want to thank the concerned Americans and New Yorkers and the 63 community and ethnic organizations who have stepped forward to be in the vanguard of a nationwide campaign to defend immigrants and immigration as vital to the economy and spirit of America.”

To underline how important immigrants are to New York City, Mayor Giuliani and City Planning Commission Chairman Joseph B. Rose released The Newest New Yorkers, 1990-1994, a comprehensive report which outlines immigration trends in New York City during the first five years of the decade when 563,000 legal immigrants arrived in the city. (See Mayoral Press Release 016-97 for details of the report.)

The Immigration Coalition’s first order of business will be to call on Congress and the President to repeal provisions of the recently enacted welfare and immigration laws that discriminate against immigrants. On October 11, 1996 the City of New York filed suit in United States District Court against the federal government and its provisions concerning immigrants. The City continues to press the court case.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 3:30 PM

Good lord folks, it was a 30 second slot. He already released his basic plan. The next president should not be the last man standing in an endurance contest. He should be the guy with the most reasonable positions. I think that Fred wins that one. I also think it was an excellent sound bite.

duff65 on November 14, 2007 at 3:36 PM

Good lord folks, it was a 30 second slot. He already released his basic plan. The next president should not be the last man standing in an endurance contest. He should be the guy with the most reasonable positions. I think that Fred wins that one. I also think it was an excellent sound bite.

I agree, whenever I see “awful ad” I know I’m going to like it. It wasn’t great but it was fine. The vicious hatred some have here for Fred is perplexing.

Capitalist Infidel on November 14, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Good grief, it wasn’t that bad. It gets his message out there. What do y’all want? Fred with a shotgun shooting sombreros? Che T-shirts, maybe? How ’bout if y’all think you can do better, go volunteer for Fred and tell him how to do it, instead of being a bunch of whiny arm-chair quarterbacks?

jdawg on November 14, 2007 at 4:06 PM

I think some of you are right, Fred is missing the boat by rolling out the same old talking points as the rest of the pack. If he would directly confront and point out the differances between him and the other candidates he could gain a lot of ground. The fact that he won’t causes me to turn away from Fred because of the lack of guts.

And csdeven has commented on this thread at least three times without using the term “scumbag”. cs, there are some things we expect here at HA. You are letting me down man!

conservnut on November 14, 2007 at 4:17 PM

to go through all the La Raza a$$ kissing Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee have participated in

I asked you to support this, and you provided two stories. One, a sinister Spanish announcement of McCain’s candidacy. Two, a statement that McCain spoke to the group once.

You have not yet shown how Giuliani and Huckabee have kissed the posteriors of La Raza specifically.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 4:19 PM

With this guy being an “actor,” I thought he would be coming off lots better in ad appearances and debates.

Why isn’t that happening?

asc85 on November 14, 2007 at 4:33 PM

Fred is channeling Andy Griffith.

I would vote for Andy Griffith. Fortunately I’m not going to have to vote for Fred for president.

peacenprosperity on November 14, 2007 at 4:40 PM

Seriously Allah, when they focus grouped this ad, they did not have sophisticates like you and us Hot air bloggers in mind.
This was just an ad to start selling the average Joe.

TheSitRep on November 14, 2007 at 4:49 PM

You have not yet shown how Giuliani and Huckabee have kissed the posteriors of La Raza specifically.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 4:19 PM

I might be wrong here Slublog, and if so, please correct me … but I’m pretty sure you’ve expressed your opinion on this blog in the past that those against illegal aliens are mostly racists. Am I wrong? Again, if I’m wrong, I apologize, but I’m simply trying to find out who I’m having this conversation with.

While you’re at it … do you believe illegals should have driver’s licenses?

As for your above accusation, you ignored my previous comment. Not surprising.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 4:53 PM

I think it needs something?

What?????

Oh!

More cowbell!

CiTiZeNPAIN on November 14, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Yeah. I thought so.

I refuse to waste my time arguing with an illegal alien supporter.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 4:58 PM

I might be wrong here Slublog, and if so, please correct me … but I’m pretty sure you’ve expressed your opinion on this blog in the past that those against illegal aliens are mostly racists. Am I wrong? Again, if I’m wrong, I apologize, but I’m simply trying to find out who I’m having this conversation with.

Not mostly racists, no. But there are those who, in arguing this topic, have made racist or offensive statements, yes. I think those comments are generally counterproductive.

While you’re at it … do you believe illegals should have driver’s licenses?

No, I don’t.

I refuse to waste my time arguing with an illegal alien supporter.

How you got that from that blog entry is beyond me.

But if you refuse to “waste your time,” then all the better, I suppose. Those who try to debate you here have certainly wasted enough of theirs.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Okay, maybe your views aren’t that bad.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 5:06 PM

But if you refuse to “waste your time,” then all the better, I suppose. Those who try to debate you here have certainly wasted enough of theirs.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 5:01 PM

You’re pretty much the only one who’s debated me. And for some reason you seem to want to pretend Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee are anti-illegal alien. All three were 100% pro amnesty up until it became clear it would not pass.

Gregor on November 14, 2007 at 5:09 PM

You’re pretty much the only one who’s debated me. And for some reason you seem to want to pretend Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee are anti-illegal alien. All three were 100% pro amnesty up until it became clear it would not pass.

Heh. They’re certainly recent converts to the illegal immigration debate. No, I don’t think any of them, at heart, are anti-illegal immigration – at least in the way the rest of the country is.

Slublog on November 14, 2007 at 5:30 PM

Fred’s ad appeals to his base. Hint: it’s not the city dwellers. It’s short (viewers in general have low attention spans), it’s to the point (he’s against amnesty for illegals).

What more do you expect an ad to do? Hint: you shouldn’t expect an ad to do any more than remind people of what you’re doing (running for president) and what your position is on an issue.

You shouldn’t expect any more unless you have dancing girls (or guys) or cavemen.

Captain America on November 14, 2007 at 5:31 PM

Another note: The symbolism and setting are truly remarkable. Small drug store coffee shop with attentive soccer mom and young lady in background. Exactly what you see in Iowa and other primary locals.

Captain America on November 14, 2007 at 5:51 PM

repeat the message, then repeat it again, then again, and then once more.
This ad does exactly that, just reinforces what he stands for. He has time to develop something better and more hard hitting. You can’t say it enough, enforce the borders.
I doubt he could run an ad that AP approves of.

right2bright on November 14, 2007 at 5:52 PM

The only purpose of this ad is to get the current Fred supporters to pony up more bucks. It doesn’t encourage folks to switch to Fred. As a matter of fact the entire ad is underwhelming, boring, and trite.

csdeven on November 14, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Fred putting down the newspaper is a signal that he’s finally in the race for real.

pedestrian on November 14, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Good heavens. Now you are looking for deep symbolism such as they had in the Sopranos finale.

Bradky on November 14, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Is it my imagination or is the menu the mother and daughter are poring over written in spanish?

Bradky on November 14, 2007 at 6:51 PM

I liked it … he boils it down to two simple notions …
secure the borders and enforce the laws, (you know, the ones already passed to make us feel good but never enforced).

Whether Fred is the guy or not is a matter of choice, his message though is pretty bang on to me …

pbary on November 14, 2007 at 9:12 PM

I like Fred but, that was a bit boring. Oh well they can’t all be great. Somebody stated earlier that Rudy was slick. Ya, I have that feeling too and can’t quite put a finger on it yet. Didn’t he have an anti-gun stance as mayor? Maybe thats it.

boomer on November 14, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Hey, Allah, the point is this. The message is there, it’s easy to understand, and he’s the one to do it.

We pretty much get that you don’t like Fred. Thanks.

Tennman on November 14, 2007 at 10:59 PM

More important, of course, is the public’s mood and its disconnect with the current campaign. Confidence in both parties is near record lows. The economy may be tanking. Illegal immigration is the hot topic of the moment. Yet the major candidates are all running on platforms and platitudes geared to a nation satisfied with the two major parties. No one, seemingly, is listening to the average-but-angry voter.

MB4 on November 15, 2007 at 2:01 AM

We pretty much get that you don’t like Fred. Thanks.
Tennman on November 14, 2007 at 10:59 PM

I doubt AP is a Fred hater. He keeps using a retouched photo of Fred that makes him look like a spry and vibrant candidate instead of the tired, lazy, unmotivated boob that he is. This ad is just another example of Fred’s laziness. He’s so uninspired with this race he keeps using the same tired old talking points that other candidates have already used time and again. Fred hasn’t come up with something unique since the last lie he told.

csdeven on November 15, 2007 at 4:34 AM

Okay guys I just gave Fred more money so he should be able to make better commercials now. hehe. Anyway how could you not vote for the guy he has golf balls! Seriously check out his site you could own Fred! golf balls.

boomer on November 15, 2007 at 7:49 AM