Babs on November 14, 2007 at 4:01 PM

Kinda thought we were on the same page, just wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was jerking your chain.

I don’t do many petitions, don’t think they do much good. PO’d voters are a lot more effective. Right not there are a lot of PO’d voters out here, they just need a real candidate to vote for. Hope one shows up soon.

The only division within the country on border security is the methodology. The Country is united on immigration it’s just the entrenched career politicians in Washington (that we put there) that don’t get it but I think they’re slowly waking up. WE just have to keep hammering them…Oh! and voting them out.

There are Republican candidates out there who question the validity of the argument that everyone born here is automatically a citizen…but not one who has a chance of winning. Inertia and apathy are both hard to overcome but eventually I think this will be brought out into the light of day.

I’d still like to read a state or federal statute that states that anyone born within our borders is a citizen. I just read Oklahoma’s new law. Pretty stiff, need more laws like it.

…but what if we really, really, really don’t want illegals in our country???

landlines on November 14, 2007 at 11:55 AM

But what about the little children? (Insert a little whine and a couple of sniffles here.)

Babs on November 14, 2007 at 11:45 AM

Wasn’t bustin’ your chops Babs. Just pointing out that the 14th amendment doesn’t really make everyone born here a natural citizen. It’s just been interpreted that way and gone unchallenged…so far.

As to ‘your’ government deciding otherwise..well how bout we get together with several million other folks and tell ‘our’ government what their decision is going to be. Sort of like we did a few months ago when comprehensive immigration reform came up for a vote.

Could you reference a law that states that all persons born on US soil are citizens? I’d like to read it, any state will do. I haven’t been able to find one for Virginia. Please don’t link to the fourteenth amendment I know what it says.

Gringo’s don’t sell out America, phony Americans do.

…and if a burglar works hard to break into your house, it is wrong of you not to let him in?

…and if your two-year-old demands a pony and gets really red in the face, it is wrong not to get him the pony…and let him keep it in his room?

What a novel approach to conflict resolution: CAPITULATION!!

…but what if we really, really, really don’t want illegals in our country???

Millions of decent honest hard working people from scores of countries (not next door, but with oceans between them and us) are waiting to come here, LEGALLY. From countries ravaged by war or spiritual condemnation, why shouldn’t they have a shot at the dream?
There are plenty of intelligent, educated people that will work just as hard as your busboy but bring so much MORE to our country.

Seal the border. Bring your guys in too. Have standards. Have a functioning border patrol and legal immigration system. (Have a functioning gov’t for that matter.) Nothing wrong with the busboy, or your boys either.

Until my government decides otherwise, this statement goes unchallenged. Anyone born on U.S. soil is currently a U.S. citizen…

I didn’t say I like it. I just pointed out that it is the law as opposed to illegals bringing illegal children into our country and then telling us that we have some kind of obligation for their well being.
According to our current law, we do have an obligation to children born on U.S. soil to illegal mothers. We have no obligation to illegal children being brought across our borders by illegal parents…

These leftists are so dam mind numbingly stupid I’m having a hard time paying attention to them… which may very well be a part of their strategy.

Griz on November 14, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Amen.

And if we are all honest with ourselves here, I am certain very few of you would disagree with me that it only helps America if this particular kid and those like him get that shot. I just love watching someone work who really gets it. It’s Christlike.
Jaibones on November 14, 2007 at 9:48 AM

I strongly disagree. It is NOT Christlike to break the law, cheat others and jump to the head of the line. Millions of decent honest hard working people from scores of countries (not next door, but with oceans between them and us) are waiting to come here, LEGALLY. From countries ravaged by war or spiritual condemnation, why shouldn’t they have a shot at the dream?
There are plenty of intelligent, educated people that will work just as hard as your busboy but bring so much MORE to our country.
Christ did NOT favor favoritism.
Don’t EVEN go there.

Jaibones on November 14, 2007 at 10:27 AM

done.

These leftists are so dam mind numbingly stupid I’m having a hard time paying attention to them… which may very well be a part of their strategy.

Griz on November 14, 2007 at 9:46 AM

They may be stupid but Sanchez is smart enough to pick up on one undeniable fact. Oppenheimer’s position defending illegals is not a popular one with the majority of America.

JiangxiDad on November 14, 2007 at 9:56 AM

Pop, I got a suggestion. Let’s get a deal with the immigration moonbats, wherein we do a two-for-one exchange. For every two illegals that we really like, and want to keep, we get to deport one moonbat.

For instance, this kid and my next door neighbor’s brother in law get to stay, and Andres Opp goes. Two of those guys busting their butts on the landscaping crew in the Heights get to stay, and Rick Sanchez — buh bye.

What’dya think?

This so called 1.8 million illegal children is an argument completely seperate from children born in the U.S. of illegal mothers. This latter category are U.S. citizens.
Babs on November 14, 2007 at 9:25 AM

Not really. This stems from what I think is a misinterpretation of the constitution that has thus far gone unchallenged.

“U.S. anti-immigration hysteria”

That’s all you have to read, to understand Oppenheimer’s take on this whole issue. Reframing the issue dishonestly, shows the desperation of the left in forcing their agenda. As hard case as I am towards illegal immigration, I do have a heart for those that do it the right way. For the 13 million here illegally; you have ruined your chances of gaining any true citizenship status. The best you can ever hope for is the shadows of a political gimmick.

See if you can count the number of politically incorrect things he said. Right off the top of my head:

1. “sacred cow”
2. “they are as much gringos as the rest of us”

If this was a FNC show, the outcry over those two statements alone would have been deafening….

Rick Sanchez, I dare you to go up against Lou Dobbs. I want to see you cry.

Jaibones on November 14, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Of course. I think we all see how hardworking Latino immigrants are. My suggestion? Let a whole lot of them come into the country legally, and assimilate, and learn English, and prosper. Not exactly brain surgery.