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Drudge has deemed it siren-worthy:CBSNEWSNYT POLL SET FOR RELEASE ON WEDNESDAY: IOWA: Romney 27; Huckabee 21; Giuliani 15; Thompson 9 NH: Romney 34; McCain/Giuliani tied 16; Paul 8; Huckabee 6; Thompson 5 I’m not sure it’s all that surprising, really…

Facts:

Thanks for the numbers. I didn’t know they were that high. Your other points are well-made.

Seriously splashman, is it a requirement to smash your head into a wall thirty times before posting on this website?

I am sure the only way of sending Aid to Africa is through handing dictators money, yep, gotta close my mind to any other options. You’ve convinced me. Screw the starving Africans, its their fault with their corrupt governments anyway.

Facts:
Israel is the 16th wealthiest country in the world
US aid to ISrael is 1/3 of all foreign aid from the US
Israel comprises .001 percent of the worlds population
The US has given $139 billion in aid to Israel

What does this translate to? This means that the U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen. THAT is ridiculous.

Money sent to Israel is NOT well spent. What are these goals of ours that they represent? And are you seriously saying they act as a deterrent? If anything, their very presence is a catalyst for violence in the middle east, which of course if not their fault, but be honest for christ sake.

And your contention about the weapons being American made, you dont see a problem with us sending BILLIONS of dollars worth anually in weaponry to a single Middle Eastern country? You dont see how that might make some of the other countries surrounding Israel a little uneasy? And you dont see how stopping the flow of weapons might calm things down a bit?

I am against all foreign aid in general. If we must give aid to foreign nations though, I see no reason why Israel should be at the top of our list. That is what the African example is all about. There are MUCH more deserving candidates who could be MUCH better helped with our money than Israel.

Huh? Are you serious? It makes more sense to give money to corrupt dictatorships who have starved their own people, than to give money to the only freedom-loving democracy in the Middle East?

Money sent to Israel is money well-spent, as they support our goals and act as a resident deterrent. Besides, are you aware that almost all of the billions we send is required to be spent on American-built weapons? So if nothing else, it helps American high-tech employment.

Most of Africa, on the other hand, is actually harmed by our aid. We send money and it gets siphoned off by the dictator or local politicians/thugs. We send medicine and that allows the dictator to spend nothing on medicine and more on bribes or his Swiss retirement account. I have tremendous sympathy for the starving masses, but sending money is stupid — good intentions count for zilch, only results count.

And the first person to come to Ron Paul’s defense is… MB4.
What a shocka!

Buy Danish on November 13, 2007 at 7:59 AM

And Buy Danish is tap, tap, taping again. What a shock!

“Exclusively weaponry”

Is that like the “exclusive” barbie doll at Wal-Mart?

We have lots of friendly nations here in the US

You mean like the Aryan nations? Nation of Islam?

I am against all foreign aid in general. If we must give aid to foreign nations though, I see no reason why Israel should be at the top of our list. That is what the African example is all about. There are MUCH more deserving candidates who could be MUCH better helped with our money than Israel The reason we support Israel so fervently is that there is a MASSIVE jewish lobby in Washington DC who gives MASSIVE amounts of money to candidates who suuport Israel. Having worked for the Majority Leader of the House for years, I saw what affect a visit to the Congressman had on his voting record.

If you’re already on record calling the Israel lobby “the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort,” then it’s a really bad idea to take money from Nazis.

Completely agree. There are some bad characters flocking to RP. However, RP’s position on aid to Israel is consistent with his fundamental conviction that the federal government should be smaller and take care of Americans before foreigners.

For Hitler it was Germany’s racists, communists, anarchists and socialists.

I thought Hitler was anti-communist–at least anti-Marxist. Also, by the time he rose to power Hitler had authored Mein Kampf and had articulated clearly anti-Jewish positions. It seems a stretch to compare the rise of the Nazi party to RP’s isolationist policies or fringe campaign contributors.

RP should give the money back. His campaign is going to have these types of problems as it tries to transition from insurgency to mainstream. Ultimately, he won’t be able to get the GOP nom. My guess is that it will be hard for him to stop the charge in February or to resist the siren song of media attention through November 08.

Keep it up| It makes for fun reading on Hot Air.

At least have the honesty of admitting you’re not a right winger. Take example from Lieberman.

rEVILution…

The point is that Paul accepts money and support from anti-Semites. Reputable candidates would eschew those kinds of help.

csdeven on November 13, 2007 at 9:10 AM

Ron Paul would accept money from the devil himself, if he hasn’t already. That alone should tell you what kind of amoral individual Ron Paul is. That his supporters make excuses for this just shows you that his supporters are even mess ethical and amoral than he himself is.

In this respect Ron Paul and his followers remind me of Adolph Hitler. In the late 20′s and early 30′s Hitler gathered his support from the dredges of German society. Those which no ethical moral German politician would be caught dead being supported by.

For Hitler it was Germany’s racists, communists, anarchists and socialists. Strange how those are the same groups that support Ron Paul in American politics today. Those whose political and ideological views have disenfranchised them from the political process because their political and ideological views are repugnant to moral and ethical people.

I cant help but wonder how long before America has it’s own Ron Paul inspired Kristallnacht.

Actually, the Paul haters are suggesting that Paul doesn’t support giving aide to Israel because they are Jews. That is the implication behind this entire thread.

I’m willing to give Paul the benefit of the doubt on support for Israel. He does not support foreign aid in general, so his views on Israeli aid are simply an extension of his philosophy. I disagree with him, but he’s consistent.

Paul does have a problem, though. One that is nicely encapsulated in this paragraph from the story:

Though it’s true that Paul’s campaign has no control over who sends them money in advance, once it becomes apparent that a neo-Nazi leader is sending money, any sensible politician who does not wish to be identified with neo-Nazism should send the money back. Not so for Ron Paul, however, whose campaign is still making up its mind as to whether or not to return Black’s money.

If you’re already on record calling the Israel lobby “the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort,” then it’s a really bad idea to take money from Nazis.

MB4 on November 13, 2007 at 12:42 AM

“Compared to those folks in Congress, I’m just an amateur. And the thing about my jokes is that they don’t hurt anybody. You can take ‘em or leave ‘em . . . . But with Congress, every time they make a joke, it’s a law. And every time they make a law, it’s a joke.”

– Will Rogers 1935

Now stop quoting Twain, he sucks.

King of the Britons on November 13, 2007 at 8:33 AM

The point is that Paul accepts money and support from anti-Semites. Reputable candidates would eschew those kinds of help.

Oh, and what about the “cruel dictator” line? Surely you aren’t suggesting military action to depose such thugs? Or maybe we can ask them nicely to just step down? Buy them off with foreign aid? Let’s put that aside for a moment….

If you are correct and we do give all this money to Israel against our (the United States’) interests, why do we do it? Why does this continue? How can the population, voters, and politicians not see this? What is the root of the blindness to one’s own welfare? I am curious as to your answers…

Israel contains 1/10 of 1% of the land mass of the ME – a minuscule scrubby portion (out of which they have miraculously produced vast wealth!). Yet, the Muslims begrudge them even that. The Palestinian problem is entirely self-made – they already have their own damn country. It’s called Jordan. Unfortunately, the Palestinians have for so long insisted upon acting like rabid beasts that their own people build walls to keep them out. The only people on the face of the planet that are forced to put up with them are the Israelis.

One nuclear strike on Israel would devastate the nation. They cannot allow it to happen. They have been attacked repeatedly by much larger and better equipped forces than their own – they’ve had to become better armed and better trained – a worthy goal they’ve accomplished. I fail to see how anyone can downplay the threat to Israel. They live in a constant state of terrorism, with national leaders from around the world swearing to bring about their annihilation. They have to take every precaution and every pre-emption at their disposal.

I don’t begrudge the aid we send to Israel. I would rather cut-off funding from other so-called useless back-stabbing allies before cutting one red cent to Israel. So, start bitchin’ about all aid we send to decrepit and useless Europe, the insane Arab nations, and the corrupt Latin nations, then we’ll talk about Israel later.

We support Israel because they are are a free country NOT because they are Jews! The Paul supporters seem to be suggesting that we support them because they are Jews.

csdeven on November 13, 2007 at 8:02 AM

Actually, the Paul haters are suggesting that Paul doesn’t support giving aide to Israel because they are Jews. That is the implication behind this entire thread.

Gary Cooper leaves town before the train arrives and lives happily ever after.

I find it hypocritical to embrace Fred Thompson, (the terrorist supporting traitor who also lobbied for dictators and other various scumbags. He funnels campaign cash to his son and authored McCain/Feingold) and in the same comment reject supporting a country that is a ally.