Video: Lieberman vs Pelosi vs Clinton on Fox News All-Stars
posted at 11:25 am on November 9, 2007 by Bryan
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Sen. Joseph Lieberman delivered a stemwinder Thursday that excoriated the Democrats for being “emotionally invested in a narrative of defeat and retreat in Iraq” and for having abandoned the foreign policy legacy of Harry Truman, Scoop Jackson and John F. Kennedy. As if to underscore his point, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed up yet another attempt to use funding to force the president to pull troops out of Iraq in spite of the recent signs of success that even the mainstream media is starting to acknowledge.
On last night’s Special Report, the Fox all-star panel compared and contrasted Pelosi and Lieberman. When the subject turned to Hillary Clinton, resident liberal Mara Liason admitted that Clinton’s stands on the war and the surge reflect nothing more than Democrat politics. Fred Barnes exposes that kind of shifting and game-playing on the war for what it is.
The Corner has a partial transcript of the exchange.
MARA LIASSON: I think there are risks [to this narrative], and that’s why you’re not going to hear Hillary Clinton saying something like that if and when she gets the nomination. . . . She has actually said that she has seen progress in Anbar Province, She has acknowledged that there has been military progress.
BARNES: Then why is she still against the surge?
LIASSON: Because she’s running in a Democratic primary.
BARNES: Okay, then she’s just intellectually dishonest, you’re saying.
KRAUTHAMMER: And that’s news?
LIASSON: She’s performing the balancing act that every potential frontrunner or nominee tries to do.
BARNES: You know what it’s not? It’s not leadership and it’s not presidential.
Here’s part of Lieberman’s speech.
I understand that President Bush is a divisive figure. I recognize the distrust that many Americans feel toward his administration. I recognize the anger and outrage that exists out there about the war in Iraq.
But there is something profoundly wrong—something that should trouble all of us—when we have elected Democratic officials who seem more worried about how the Bush administration might respond to Iran’s murder of our troops, than about the fact that Iran is murdering our troops.
There is likewise something profoundly wrong when we see candidates who are willing to pander to this politically paranoid, hyper-partisan sentiment in the Democratic base—even if it sends a message of weakness and division to the Iranian regime.
For me, this episode reinforces how far the Democratic Party of 2007 has strayed from the Democratic Party of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, and the Clinton-Gore administration.
That is why I call myself an Independent Democrat today. It is because my foreign policy convictions are the convictions that have traditionally animated the Democratic Party—but they exist in me today independent of the current Democratic Party, which has largely repudiated them.
I hope that Democrats will one day again rediscover and re-embrace these principles, which were at the heart of our party as recently as 2000. But regardless of when or if that happens, those convictions will continue to be mine. And I will continue to fight to advance them along with like-minded Democrats and like-minded Republicans.
The whole thing is worth a read.
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This was the most interesting comment I’ve heard on the Fox All Stars since the time when they all supported Amnesty (don’t remember if Krauthammer was there that night.)
JiangxiDad on November 9, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Maybe this is why Joe is now one America’s most influential “Conservatives”.
Tony737 on November 9, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Umm the video clip is lou dobbs ????
William Amos on November 9, 2007 at 11:31 AM
D’oh. Wrong chunk of code. It’s fixed now.
Bryan on November 9, 2007 at 11:34 AM
It’s not leadership and it’s not presidential. Nuf Ced
Wade on November 9, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Video appears to be gone
Grantman on November 9, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Oops…never mind. Didn’t work the first time.
sorry.
Grantman on November 9, 2007 at 11:45 AM
As if I wasn’t already madly in love with J. Lieberman. He and Zell Miller should run for president.
The improvements in Iraq, and so much more will make the dems look like flailing and drunk chicken next year.
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Even the Daily Kos has given up on dems. Here is their latest poll about the new “Fund the Iraqi war” bill in Congress.
fter Bush vetoes the $50 billion with strings, Congress will…
…give him what he wants anyway. 4674 votes – 75 %
…hang tough. 291 votes – 4 %
…hang tough until January, then give in. 1131 votes – 18 %
…Other 90 votes – 1 %
William Amos on November 9, 2007 at 11:56 AM
I will gladly admit that if I were to ever vote for a “liberal” Sen. Lieberman would be it. Such a shame he tied his coattails to Algore. Yes, should he and Zell Miller ever link up the Repubs would have a tough time beating them.
24K lady on November 9, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Thank you Ned Lamont.
fogw on November 9, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Who would win this 4-way race in 2008:
Rudy/Romney vs. Lieberman/Miller vs. Clinton/Obama vs. Paul/nutball.
jp on November 9, 2007 at 12:02 PM
The look on Charles face when he says that is priceless.
Rush has used the term “invested in defeat” for a while, I’ve always thought it was harsh. But seeing the democrats fear that victory might be possible in Iraq, just proves that that phrase is probably true.
Complete7 on November 9, 2007 at 12:03 PM
How about Rudy/Lieberman???
tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Except that neither one could win a Democrat nomination, so that would mean they would be running as Republicans. It would be interesting to see how they would fair in the Republican primary. Not sure about Liberman but Miller has better conservative creditials than pretty much any of the current crop of Republiban canidates. It is a shame he refuses to leave the Democrat party.
Buford on November 9, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Freddie’s kind of a wussy-boy, but I liked this a lot.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 9, 2007 at 12:26 PM
The democrat party should change their name. It’s not the same party of Kennedy, Zel Miller, or even Lieberman.
SouthernGent on November 9, 2007 at 12:26 PM
I commend your willingness to enter the potty zone.
Shouldn’t that be Paul/vice-nutball?
Rudy/Huckabee?
jdkchem on November 9, 2007 at 12:31 PM
And yet Lieberman caucuses with the Dems in the Senate and allows them to control it. If he really wanted to make a difference he could pull his support for Harry Reid but he doesn’t.
grahsco on November 9, 2007 at 12:36 PM
I’m actually impressed with Fred Barnes. Usually, he either just rambles or he’s too entrenched as a Washington insider to make any independent thought. Most recent famous example is his “reasoning” during the Shamnesty debate.
This time, however, I guess the odds get it right eventually, Barnes ended up saying something great.
Weebork on November 9, 2007 at 12:37 PM
The very last statement by Fred Barnes says it all.
mgtanner on November 9, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Asking a Republican to select Joe to be a VP would turn the election upside down. Won’t happen, but what a scene it would make…And probably unstoppable. Zel as secretary of state…
right2bright on November 9, 2007 at 12:56 PM
He’s offers a bit more praise than is deserved toward President Clinton’s foreign policy but otherwise I find myself in agreement with the Senator. He too finds that most Democrats are on the wrong side when it comes to fighting in this clash of cultures/civilizations against militant Islam.
Yakko77 on November 9, 2007 at 12:59 PM
That is a very accurate statement from Lieberman. I still can’t believe that after the successes of the surge that Democrats still claim credibility on foreign policy. That the Democrats in congress think they know more of what’s best for our military than the military commanders strikes me as dangerously arrogant.
I hope there is a swell of national pride in this country to silence these people who want America to lose.
ThackerAgency on November 9, 2007 at 1:14 PM
That was a terrific read. I loved the end.
BadgerHawk on November 9, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Could you imagine a Rudy/Joe ticket. Iran would poop itself.
BadgerHawk on November 9, 2007 at 1:22 PM
For those of you thinking Huckabee would make a good running mate for Giuliani, think again. The VP will have nearly automatic front-runner status for the nomination when Giuliani leaves office. If you don’t like Huck for president now (I sure don’t), don’t put him in the VP slot either.
I understand some of you think Huckabee’s evangelical street cred will help Giuliani, but there’s got to be a better way. I sure hope so, anyway.
Splashman on November 9, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Poor Mara getting beat up by boys just like Hillary. hehe
- The Cat
MirCat on November 9, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Think of the delicious moment it would be for those of us just fed up with the current crop of candidates. Aw, the joy of throwing a wrench in the mechanics of politics! Can’t you just hear the sputters/guffaws? I’ll go back to dreaming after wiping off my screen JP………nutball, I just love it. righttobright – right on both postings.
24K lady on November 9, 2007 at 2:07 PM
You mean Joe Rudy who played left field for the Oakland A’s?
Wade on November 9, 2007 at 2:46 PM
You add a bottle of glenfiddich to this show and you’ve got something…
As Hilliary’s campaign marches on the American people will start to find out what Bill has known for a long time: Hilliary fakes it.
liquidflorian on November 9, 2007 at 2:56 PM
Don’t forget Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, the Mentos Poster boy and the daily
pukekosKini on November 9, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Now if Freddie would just get right with that other foreign policy debate, you know the one were we stop Mexico’s invasion of the United States.
Speakup on November 9, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Could you imagine a Rudy/Joe ticket.
All due respect to Rudy, but Lieberman’s way more presidential and prudent than Rudy and with far deeper background in nat’l security, military affairs, and gov. ops. With all of Lieberman’s judicious edge and firmness, he’s also got a hugely refreshing paternal quality that Rudy, alas lacks, and would be enormously beneficial for the country after 8 years of self-absorbed, baby boomer Bubba and insufficiently recovered frat boy Bush. Rudy/Joe is almost disconcerting in its inverted quality. What about Joe/Rudy?
livetsown on November 9, 2007 at 11:04 PM
Could you imagine a Rudy/Joe ticket.
I feel I have to bring you back to reality on this beautiful Saturday morning. If you get a Rudy/Joe ticket in any combination you will get a hilary presidency for sure. And I like Joe. I thought if Newt had got in the race he could have hooked up with Joe and they could have swept to the White House. For all you Rudy backers out there here is some more reality. If Rudy is the nominee all the moderates and undeceideds and idiots flock to hilary because there will be no difference and they will jump on the first woman president bandwagon. The msm know it and will help it happen. That is why Rudy is their favorite. That is why Rudy is leading nationally but Romney is pulling away locally. The msm is trying to convince republicans Rudy is inevitable. When actual republican voters start casting votes rudy will fade.
peacenprosperity on November 10, 2007 at 8:16 AM
Joe had to throw that in there to cover for his embarrassing performance in 2004.
peacenprosperity on November 10, 2007 at 8:17 AM
Thank God Almighty for Joe Lieberman.
It says a lot about Sen. Lieberman, that as a person who should be suffering the psychosis of BushDerangementSyndrome, he is not. I mean he should have the second worst recorded case, he has every excuse, as far as the sufferers rationalizations go. Sure he has political differences with the POTUS, but his stop a healthy distance from the level of BDS. The Dems have sunk to a frightening level of RAH-RAH AL-QUEDA, encouraging the terrorists to hang in there just a while longer,(”c’mon Angry Akmed, we can help you beat the USMilitary, if you can keep the dead American soldiers at a halfway respectable number).
Sen.Lieberman, Z.Miller and(hopefully)the like… offer me some sliver of hope, a minutia of a fleeting dream, that maybe somewhere, there are true American Democrats that put this great Nation above their giddy visions of thousands of flag draped coffins.
christophercube on November 10, 2007 at 11:35 AM
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