ABC News report: Kerik indicted
posted at 7:13 pm on November 8, 2007 by Bryan
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On a range of charges, says ABC News.
A federal grand jury has voted to indict former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik on charges stemming from the acceptance of free rent and apartment renovations, tax evasion and lying on his application for the job as head of the Department of Homeland Security, two federal sources and a source involved in the defense told ABC News.
The indictment was expected tomorrow, and that’s probably when it will be made official. The most immediate target, in political and press attention, will be Rudy Giuliani. Kerik was Giuliani’s police commissioner, and it was on Giuliani’s recommendation that President Bush nominated Kerik to head up the Department of Homeland Security in 2004.
Kerik is the second major New York police figure that I know of to find himself in serious legal trouble after working in the Giuliani-era NYPD. The other is Ed Norris, a 20-year NYPD veteran who became Baltimore police commissioner in 2000. He left the job in 2002 amid a corruption investigation and ended up spending some time in prison. Like the charges against Kerik, Norris’ troubles had to do with using his official position to amass personal wealth. Like Kerik, Norris’ record trying to clean up a crime-ridden city was mostly positive. Fwiw.
Hillary had a bad patch the past couple of weeks. Giuliani can probably expect a couple of rough weeks now. He’ll play up Kerik’s record of helping to clean up New York, which is fair, but defending Kerik carries its risks too.
More: Just to clarify things, Norris’ charges all occurred during his time in Baltimore.
Update: What she said.
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Rudy’s gonna get smacked around like a red-headed stepchild by the media with this. They’re just rubbing their hands together cuz they’ll get to report on the trial daily, “Bernie Kerik, NYC Police Commissioner under REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE RUDY GIULIANI facing cross-examination today.
Bad Candy on November 8, 2007 at 7:23 PM
He’ll probably go the other direction and call him a close friend in whom he’s disappointed. That would be the smart thing. Maybe even the true thing.
Vizzini on November 8, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Maybe, but the media’s gonna milk the “guilt by association” effect to the fullest extent they can.
Bad Candy on November 8, 2007 at 7:26 PM
No doubt. That’s why he needs to make the association himself.
Vizzini on November 8, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Not gonna work well.
Bad Candy on November 8, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Newsbusters points out:
The rest of the media who hesitated to report that one of Hill’s top fundraisers is a fugitive will have no issue linking Giuliani to Kerik. That despite the fact that Giuliani’s already called his Kerik appointment a mistake and that he should’ve “cleared him more thoroughly”. Clinton remains silent.
amerpundit on November 8, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Yeah, Kerik is a crook but he’s a piker compared to Hillary.
I say indict bof’em.
TheSitRep on November 8, 2007 at 7:40 PM
Whatever responsibility Rudy does or does not have for Kerik’s behavior, the fact of the matter is that Kerik was a crony appointee who wasn’t technically qualified for the job. He didn’t have a college degree (as required), and was fast-tracked to the commissioner job after serving as Rudy’s personal driver and bodyguard
Later, Rudy hired him on as a CEO of one of his firms. Not to be all conspiracy theory, but one has to wonder if Kerik doesn’t have some dirt on Rudy that helped propel him from driver to police commissioner to CEO to nominee (at Rudy’s recommendation) for head of Homeland Security.
Hollowpoint on November 8, 2007 at 7:50 PM
See what I mean? Rudy’s gonna get smacked around with this, fairly or unfairly.
Bad Candy on November 8, 2007 at 7:51 PM
If we are comparing apples to apples, Bernie’s much less of a burden on Rudy because the guy has some redeeming traits. He made huge contributions to NYC and it’s citizens.
Hsu has no redeeming character traits whatsoever. He is scum, whose only purpose in life is to get another worthless scumbag elected to the highest office in the land.
But that isn’t going to matter. Rudy will pay and Hillary will walk away without a scratch.
csdeven on November 8, 2007 at 7:51 PM
If they media wants to play guilt by association, we’ll gladly revisit the criminal history of Clinton associates. I could do a blog post per day between now and election day and still not cover all of them.
Mrs. Clinton has Sandy Berger as an adviser right now; Giuliani wants nothing to do with Kerik.
Kerik abused his position to line his pockets and will pay the price.
JammieWearingFool on November 8, 2007 at 8:01 PM
A trip down memory lane.
When The Pantsuit answers questions about them, then we’ll talk about Bernie Kerik, OK?
JammieWearingFool on November 8, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Go for it…Hillary wears a Teflon pantsuit, though, the MSM bought her one.
Bad Candy on November 8, 2007 at 8:05 PM
Is this really news? As long as this has been expected this is hardly a shocker.
Look for the Rudy-haters (both parties) to make hay out of this.
highhopes on November 8, 2007 at 8:13 PM
JWF, that reads like a chinese laundry list.
fogw on November 8, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Great points. Your speculation is one way of explaining how Rudy kept promoting someone so obviously unqualified. The other is that Rudy is a horrible judge of character.
Rudy is going to get hammered over Kerik. If he loses the nomination because he thought a clown like Kerik could run Homeland Security, it would be justified.
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 8:23 PM
How can you call Kerik a clown? He may have been crooked (although a piker by Clinton standards), but the guy was affective in every job he held. He ain’t no clown. And please, you’re trying to tell me Kerik wouldn’t have been an improvement over Tom Ridge or the too-smug-by-half Mr. Chertoff?
Sugar Land on November 8, 2007 at 8:32 PM
That list says it all. This makes Rudy more vulnerable in the primaries but Clinton can go nowhere fast by using this Kerik situation against Rudy.
Hollowpoint,
Hey, if we’re going to play silly conspiracy theory games, here’s one:
Maybe Fred gave his sons jobs because they have the goods on him!
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 8:33 PM
why wasn’t this delayed for a plea bargain until after the election?
tomas on November 8, 2007 at 8:34 PM
I put together a post and listed those names, trackbacked above. The lefty blogs are already salivating.
Game on, boys.
JammieWearingFool on November 8, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Woops! I directed my 8:23 to Bad Candy when it was meant for:
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 8:39 PM
He didn’t get high marks for his work in Iraq under Bremmer. It would have been a great service to the country if he had stayed more than 3 months. If he thought it was a 90-day job, he was wrong. Not a great show of patriotism.
Also, given the ethical conflicts he knew were in his past and that were inevitably going to come up, how does he let Rudy put him in into the Homeland Security nominating process? Didn’t he have a clue that this would be a major ddrag on his friend and sponsor’s presidential hopes?
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 8:46 PM
My dislike of Kerik’s judgment was furthered by his use of an apartment at ground zero for his affair with Judith Regan, who then broke up with him because he was cheating on her (and because Kerik’s wife (who he was cheating on with Regan) was pregnant)). Then, everything turns into a mess when Regan hired a bodyguard because she felt she was being harrassed by Kerik after the break-up. Of course all of this winds up in the press. Is Regan telling the truth? I don’t know, but that’s kinda the deal you get when you sleep with Judith Regan and piss her off.
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 8:56 PM
Water wet. Rudy is as Rudy does.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:11 PM
That is a good question that many of us have probably asked ourselves. That particular question has nothing to do with Rudy’s fitness to be President however.
Is that comment based on personal experience?
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Some professional. None sexual.
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 9:15 PM
When the Pantsuit runs for the Republican Presidential nomination, then we’ll talk about her skeletons more than Rudolfo’s, OK?
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:16 PM
You are likely pretty much right. Everyone knows about Hillary’s warts already, any that are likely to come out anyway. Rudolfo’s, it’s only just begun.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:19 PM
I agree. I was answering the question “how can you call Kerik a clown?” (partially it was the alliteration).
It’s doubtful Rudy knew everything Bernie knew, but if Rudy thought Kerik had the background and expertise to run Homeland Security, I hope the Senate really uses its advise and consent if Rudy is ever elected.
I think Rudy is smart enough to be president, but he’s got some quirky attributes though.
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 9:20 PM
He has a very exaggerated need for cronies.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Reality check: most people have never heard of Bernard Kerik, can’t pronounce his name, and couldn’t pick his face out of an array of 2 photographs. The charges, while likely to cost him some time, aren’t all that sexy (he had free apartment renovations done?). Yeah, the media will try to jam Rudy up with this, but it’ll die down when they see that the public has no interest. It’s a big yawn. And Hillary’s people sure as hell aren’t going to make “lying” and “corruption” part of her campaign. I mean, that would be…delicious.
Rational Thought on November 8, 2007 at 9:34 PM
They will know who Kerik is. The media will do the same thing they did with Scooter Libby. People won’t know who the hell he is, but they’ll know he did something wrong, and he’s a close associate of Rudy. I guarandamntee it.
Bad Candy on November 8, 2007 at 9:40 PM
I don’t know about the MSM but Fox News isn’t holding back this horrific story on the Clinton’s.
sonnyspats1 on November 8, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Whining about media parity is not going to make it a reality.
President Clinton II does not have to say one thing about Rudy’s Kerik problem. She has a batallion of reporters, news readers and other presidential hopefuls to do it for her.
The Race Card on November 8, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Several of Giuliani’s appointees to head City agencies became defendants in criminal proceedings.
In 2000, Giuliani appointed 34-year-old Russell Harding, the son of Liberal Party of New York leader and longtime Giuliani mentor Raymond Harding, to head the New York City Housing Development Corporation, although Harding had neither a college degree nor relevant experience. In 2005, Harding pled guilty to defrauding the Housing Development Corporation and to possession of child pornography. He was sentenced to five years in prison. In a related matter, Richard Roberts, appointed by Giuliani as Housing Commissioner and as chairman of the Health and Hospitals Corporation, pled guilty to perjury after lying to a grand jury about a car that Harding bought for him with City funds.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Giuliani employs his childhood friend Monsignor Alan Placa as a consultant at Giuliani Partners despite a 2003 Suffolk County, N.Y., grand jury report that accuses Placa of sexually abusing children, as well as helping cover up the sexual abuse of children by other priests. Placa, who was part of a three-person team that handled allegations of abuse by clergy for the Diocese of Rockville Centre, is referred to as Priest F in the grand jury report. The report summarizes the testimony of multiple alleged victims of Priest F, and then notes, “Ironically, Priest F would later become instrumental in the development of Diocesan policy in response to allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests.”
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:45 PM
If Rudolfo gets the Republican Presidential nomination the MSM and other Hillary minions will eat him alive with these stories. They are holding back now for obvious reasons.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:48 PM
I was shocked when Bush selected Chertoff–a lawyer who’s management training was running an office of other lawyers? The job really requires a retired military person or CEO of a large industrial company with global operations–like a Jack Welch.
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Yup,the media will be fixated on this for the next two
weeks,allowing Hillary to scam some more.
canopfor on November 8, 2007 at 9:59 PM
I would dare to say that this isn’t the worst Rudy will have been attacked by the media.
amerpundit on November 8, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Wow, MB4, you’ve really got the goods on him.
JammieWearingFool on November 8, 2007 at 10:19 PM
I’m inclined to agree with Rational Thought. Bernard Carrick? Kerrick? Who? It’s just one of those names that no one will be able to remember is a good guy or a bad guy.
RushBaby on November 8, 2007 at 10:24 PM
By the way, MB4’s first source is Wikipedia. The second, if I’m not mistaken, is from an article by Huffington Post and Salon.com columnist Alex Koppelman.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, MB4.
amerpundit on November 8, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Wiki is MB4’s source tonight. He never provides links so I have to Google his quotes to get to the source.
He really has it out for Rudy. I’m beginning to think he is really Donna Hanover in real life.
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 10:32 PM
I don’t care what you say or believe as long as you back it up. MB4 gave some good nuggets to research, but I too would like to have some breadcrumbs to follow his logic.
The Race Card on November 8, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Yep, that sounds just like where MB4 would go to enlighten us about Rudy! He uses a lot of Lefty sources to back up his vendetta against him. Wiki is about as fair and balanced as it gets.
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 10:36 PM
The source doesn’t really matter unless you have some reason to suggest the story is inaccurate. Do you? Do you have some evidence that these incidents or hirings did not take place? Are the stories incorrect?
Those of you defending Rudy sound an awful lot like the liberals defending Clinton. It sounds as though you’re not really interested if he’s a scumbag or not. He’s your man and you’re going to defend him to the end.
Gregor on November 8, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Or Fredheads defending Fred. Or CSDeven defending Mitt. Or…
And, for my part, I wasn’t questioning the authenticity. However, when you provide information you’re quoting, it’s good to provide a link or source. MB4 didn’t.
amerpundit on November 8, 2007 at 10:49 PM
I lived in New York City under Lindsay, Beame, Wagner, Koch, and Dinkins. I know first hand what a scourge modern day liberalism is, and I know how miraculously great a Mayor Guiliani was.
And I can also read between the lines of the tabloid stuff that MB4 peddles.
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 10:52 PM
He never does, and I have pointed this out to him time and again. Gosh, I wonder what his motives are? He quotes people who write for The Nation Magazine, write for Washington Monthly, that sort of stuff, but of course we have to do a little digging to find that out.
Of course then I hear from him all about how open minded he is by using such a wide variety of sources.
Bah!
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 10:56 PM
You can just imagine what Hillary and her full time staff of a hundred junk yard dog detectives have got.
I got them from another conservative blog. There was a reference to Wikipedia, none to Huffington post or Salon, but I don’t doubt that they, and a whole lot of other web sites, have it too.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 10:58 PM
This will all be forgotten in a few days. As well it should be.
SouthernGent on November 8, 2007 at 11:01 PM
I often provide links, but if it’s anything not faltering to your hojo Rudolfo you don’t like it anyway. In real life I am an observer from the planet Omega 9 sent to Earth to identify promising Earthlings to bring back to Omega 9. BTW, you have not been selected.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Rational Thought,
Kerik was in the national light at 9/11. That time is when I first heard of him. I’m sure that many people will recognize and remember.
INC on November 8, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Buy Danish
You have just earned non-promising earthling creds and I was present on the Hot Air thread to witness it.
*Salutes!*
RushBaby on November 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
Provide links and we won’t have to discuss this any further now will we?
By the way, speaking of Rudy’s real mother, this is a funny quote from Wiki:
Giuliani’s mother maintained in 1988 that, “He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He’s definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn’t. He still feels very sorry for the poor.
That shows just how biased these sources are. Republicans don’t like the poor, dontcha know!
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
I don’t do vendettas. That sounds more like something that would be Rudy’s department, and yours. I check many sources, many/most linked to from RCP. I don’t believe in jircle cerks.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
Don’t be a wise a$$ or I may recommend to the High Council of Omega 9 that you be brought back along with Rosie O’Donnel to be used in breading experiments.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:18 PM
RushBaby on November 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
I am so heartbroken that I haven’t been chosen to fly away to Omega 9. Thanks for cheering me up!
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 11:19 PM
Donna Hanover does. She also does lunch and the Vagina Monologues.
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 11:22 PM
Does “read between the lines” translate into “ignore” anything that harms your current opinion?
Look, I’m not saying the information that was posted is true or false, but you would think that it would at least cause some hesitation or concern for conservatives. You didn’t come back with a reply consisting of information showing the claim to be false. Instead you simply brush it off and talk about what a great Mayor Giuliani was. I would suggest that if the information posted was indeed accurate, than your claim that Giuliani was a great Mayor is totally bogus.
If you feel the information is not accurate, tell us why. Show us why. Otherwise you’re doing the same thing liberals do when they wave their arms in the air and brush off all the Clinton accusations.
The bottom line is that it shouldn’t be too hard for you to prove him wrong.
Are the following two claims true, or not?
Don’t simply blow the accusations off and wave your Giuliani pom poms. If these accusations are true, Giuliani has no business representing the Conservative Party.
And OH BY THE WAY
How hard is that really?
Gregor on November 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM
You want links,
Buy DanishRudy’s Madre. I know that it won’t shut you up but I will give you a few, yet again, just as a consolation prize for not being selected as a promising Earthing.Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani
Rudy must be stopped
Authority Figure
How much credit does Rudy deserve for New York City’s crime rate going down?
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
Note that crime rates were dropping for the three years before Giuliani took office. And they continued to drop after he left.
Crime in New York peaked in 1990. Giuliani did not take office until 1994.
Now stop wasting my time.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Funny stuff. I’m flattered that you didn’t respond with some flaccid quote from somebody or the other. And by the way, if efficiency and economy of time are valued on Omega 9, the only need you’ll have for breading experiments is the following: Do a taste test between KFC and Popeyes.
RushBaby on November 8, 2007 at 11:35 PM
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:40 PM
I’m off to bed and don’t have time to go into detail right now but as an example of how unreliable this stuff is, if you look at the Placa portion they are all allegations.
MB4 over the top in his campaign to diss Rudy. Last week he was posting all this stuff about what a tyrant he was and how this country was going to turn into a Totalitarian state if the evil one was elected.
This is not rational analysis we’re dealing with. It’s mostly a lot of tabloid news.
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 11:42 PM
I knew you had lived in NYC. Didn’t know it was for that long. I moved here at the end of the Koch admin. What part of the city did you live in?
dedalus on November 8, 2007 at 11:43 PM
I was just about to shut down for the night but that’s an easy one to answer!
Upper East Side and West Village.
By the way, Koch was a lot better than Lindsay or Dinkins!
Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 11:48 PM
Thank you and that is more damning of Rudolfo than what I had. I better start trying harder.
Buy DanishRudy’s Madre should have left well enough alone. He just keeps on digging his hojo Rudolfo in deeper and deeper.MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:50 PM
I never used any of those words. You drew those conclusions.
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:53 PM
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:58 PM
I love to watch a RushBaby/MB4 ‘tango’, but you two stay away from “breading” :)
Welcome back RB. Missed you on HA.
MB4, my friend, you’re almost as intense against “Rudolfo” as csdeven is against Fred. I don’t know what to do about you two. I like both of you and don’t know what will be the cure. It’s almost distressing to see how distressed you are.
Entelechy on November 8, 2007 at 11:59 PM
How’my doin? Koch is still a great personality. I went to NYU and love the Village.
dedalus on November 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM
MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
*
Why is that comment awaiting moderation? I used no bad words. Maybe it’s because I used so many links just to satisfy
Buy DanishRudy’s Madre? Not that any number of links would satisfy him anyway. When he gets no links he complains, when he gets links he complains. Do I detect a pattern here?MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Gregor, let’s look at some of the slimy language in the links you provided.
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:04 AM
My dear, I am trying to save
the CheerleaderAmerica!MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:06 AM
Bunch of links will do it, from what I’ve seen… or if you named some brand name, let’s say, recreational medication.
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Never give a sword to a man who can’t dance.
- Confucius
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Might I suggest a bunch of handshakes all around, in person, sometime roundabout a year from now?
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Must be the four links. Now look what
Buy DanishRudy’s Madre made me do!!!MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:12 AM
The man with the rose wins the Tango.
- RushBaby
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:12 AM
Not me, you people frighten me!!!!!!!!!!
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:13 AM
MB4 might not know about our plans to meet in San Diego about a year from now. It’s going to be a mini HA gathering.
Don’t worry about the “moderation” thing. It doesn’t mean much except that a cluster of words will stop comments by the computer. Then, upon review and approval, they get released. It used to be the word “socialism” would stop any comment. Now that doesn’t any more. Not long ago a very naive comment of mine was moderated but released soon after. In my instinctive reaction to “comment in moderation” I posted “but why”. By itself it made zero sense to anyone :)
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Who is “you people”? We are the nicest ladies you’ve ever met.
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:16 AM
Ladies?
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:18 AM
e-flowers for the hearty chuckles. RB, I laughed tears. MB4 you started something with the quote format, and the liberal ’somebody or other’.
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Hope that Romney gets the Republican nomination as we both like him pretty well.
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Romney’s fortunes are turning for the better, it seems, in the little I have followed the news this week.
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:22 AM
I think he would be the most effective POTUS of the group running. I liked McCain in 2000, but 8 years takes a lot out of someone.
dedalus on November 9, 2007 at 12:23 AM
I’m a lady RB, at least I’m a woman. I don’t know about you, but I like you whatever you are, and you’re invited.
MB4, I’ll vote for whoever is not on the left side, as I can’t stand any and, while an independent, would never vote for a socialist. Actually I think Romney is very slick, almost Clintonesque. However, I’m not decided and open for so much which can change who’ll be our candidate. My top issue is security/terrorism. All other can be considered if we’re free.
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:24 AM
No god and no religion can survive ridicule, no politician, no nobility, no royalty or other fraud, can face ridicule in a fair field and live.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Then shouldn’t you be for war hero McCain, not DD Rudolfo?
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:26 AM
MB4
You quote some profound thinkers, and where appropriate and contextual, the quotes are appreciated. I personally prefer to read YOUR original thoughts, when you proffer them.
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:28 AM
Ironically, in one of those self-questionnaires, it turned out that I agreed most with McCain (Fred 2nd by 1 point). What an eye-opening surprise to me! But McCain-Feingold is unforgivable.
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:32 AM
I might have commented once, or maybe twice that I could live with Rudy as POTUS but I really am not hung up at this point on any. I met Thompson in person twice and really liked him. He’s a bit smug but also very polite and personable. His presence is incredible.
I like McCain, except for immigration. However, he’s spent. His time is gone. 2000, or 2004 at the latest was the last chance. Nothing will change that. I do appreciate his service to the country, both in the Military and in politics. We should always honor that.
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:35 AM
By a Lady’s finger-nails, by her blouse-sleeve, by her shoes, by the softness of her forefinger and thumb, by her expression, by her blouse-cuff – By each of these things a woman’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten the competent inquirer in any case is almost inconceivable.
- Holmes
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Forgot – I love Mark Twain.
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:38 AM
I don’t like McCain on illegal immigration either, nor the Iraq war, actually Rudolfo is closer to me on that one, but I think that Rudolfo is much worse on illegal immigration. Actually McCain, believe it or not, is now in second place ahead of both Fred and Mitt in the polls at RCP (www.realclearpolitics.com)
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:40 AM
- Holmes
MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:36 AM
See what I mean about flaccid? Poor Holmes never even considered the intellect, honor, integrity, passion, or ambition of a Lady.
RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:43 AM
In 2004, I used to read every word on RCP. I love that site. Now I skim the topics and read however many articles as I fancy, but not all any more. Their average is actually very good, or was in 2004.
Make no mistake about it – if McCain makes it through the primaries, he’s our man. He’s got to come clean on immigration:
1. Legal hiring
2. Legal immigration
3. Strong security all around
4. Workers programs for temporary assignments
The fence is not going to happen. If 1. will be enforced, the rest will take care of itself.
This is a thread on Kerik. How to get back to it?
Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:46 AM
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