ABC News report: Kerik indicted

posted at 7:13 pm on November 8, 2007 by Bryan

On a range of charges, says ABC News.

A federal grand jury has voted to indict former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik on charges stemming from the acceptance of free rent and apartment renovations, tax evasion and lying on his application for the job as head of the Department of Homeland Security, two federal sources and a source involved in the defense told ABC News.

The indictment was expected tomorrow, and that’s probably when it will be made official. The most immediate target, in political and press attention, will be Rudy Giuliani. Kerik was Giuliani’s police commissioner, and it was on Giuliani’s recommendation that President Bush nominated Kerik to head up the Department of Homeland Security in 2004.

Kerik is the second major New York police figure that I know of to find himself in serious legal trouble after working in the Giuliani-era NYPD. The other is Ed Norris, a 20-year NYPD veteran who became Baltimore police commissioner in 2000. He left the job in 2002 amid a corruption investigation and ended up spending some time in prison. Like the charges against Kerik, Norris’ troubles had to do with using his official position to amass personal wealth. Like Kerik, Norris’ record trying to clean up a crime-ridden city was mostly positive. Fwiw.

Hillary had a bad patch the past couple of weeks. Giuliani can probably expect a couple of rough weeks now. He’ll play up Kerik’s record of helping to clean up New York, which is fair, but defending Kerik carries its risks too.

More: Just to clarify things, Norris’ charges all occurred during his time in Baltimore.

Update: What she said.


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Ironically, in one of those self-questionnaires, it turned out that I agreed most with McCain (Fred 2nd by 1 point). What an eye-opening surprise to me! But McCain-Feingold is unforgivable.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:32 AM

That reminds me of a “test” I took about eight months ago about which candidates I agreed most with:

Duncan Hunter 63
Tom Tancredo 58
Mitt Romney 50
Sam Brownback 48
Bill Frist 48
Newt Gingrich 48
John McCain 45
Rudy Giuliani 43
Mark Sanford 43
Mike Huckabee 43
Jeb Bush 40
Jim Gilmore 40
Tommy Thompson 38
Al Gore 35
Bill Richardson 35
Chuck Hagel 35
George Pataki 30
Mark Warner 30
Barack Obama 25
Wesley Clark 23
Tom Vilsack 23
Ron Paul 23
Evan Bayh 20
Joe Biden 20
Hillary Clinton 18
John Edwards 15
Chris Dodd 13
John Kerry 10
Al Sharpton 10
Dennis Kucinich 10
Russell Feingold 8
Tom Daschle 5

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:47 AM

See what I mean about flaccid? Poor Holmes never even considered the intellect, honor, integrity, passion, or ambition of a Lady.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:43 AM

Holmes was speaking metaphorically.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Forgot – I love Mark Twain.

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:38 AM

One of my best H.S. friends was a great-grandson of his, although I only got interested in Twain much later.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:50 AM

See what I mean about flaccid? Poor Holmes never even considered the intellect, honor, integrity, passion, or ambition of a Lady.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:43 AM

If you’re a gent, you’re very perceptive, and modern. What about endurance, personality, wit, persistence, empathy?

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:51 AM

Holmes was speaking metaphorically.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Also, for his time.

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:55 AM

empathy?

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:51 AM

The most important of all the virtues, without which the others are lost.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 1:01 AM

What about endurance, personality, wit, persistence, empathy?

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 12:51 AM

I divide the human species between the decent and the indecent. My grandson asked me just the other night if all Muslims were bad, and I answered that I reject that idea. I acknowledge no divides between male and female, rich and poor, left and right, black and brown and red and yellow and white, young and old, religious and non-religious, blessed and damned. The only thing that matters to me is the decent and the indecent. Both exist in all categories. Show me humanity in a person, and I will show you a friend.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 1:06 AM

The only thing that matters to me is the decent and the indecent. Both exist in all categories. Show me humanity in a person, and I will show you a friend.

- – RushBaby

Truer words were never spoken. Thank you RB.

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 1:10 AM

{{{E}}}

And you know it.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 1:24 AM

I’m off to bed and don’t have time to go into detail right now but as an example of how unreliable this stuff is, if you look at the Placa portion they are all allegations.

Buy Danish on November 8, 2007 at 11:42 PM

While the Placa incident never went to trial, the evidence seems rather damning.

[Placa] was referred to as “Priest F” in the grand jury’s lengthy investigative report, which quotes a letter he wrote to colleagues in which he touted his track record of settling multimillion dollar clergy sex abuse claims for “sums ranging from $20,000 to $100,000.” The 180-page report was written after more than 30 priests and more than 40 victims of abuse testified.

The report notes that no indictments were issued because the alleged crimes had occurred more than five years previously and could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitations had expired.

And THIS doesn’t sound anything like simple “allegations” to me:

Russell A. Harding, a son of one of New York’s political power brokers, was sentenced yesterday to more than five years in prison for embezzling more than $400,000 as president of the New York City Housing Development Corporation, and for possessing child pornography. He was also ordered to repay much of the embezzled money.

I believe being sentenced to five years in prison would make a pretty stong case for the story’s legitimacy.

Gregor on November 9, 2007 at 1:52 AM

Gregor, let’s look at some of the slimy language in the links you provided.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 12:04 AM

Of course, you conveniently left out the following quote:

… was sentenced yesterday to more than five years in prison for embezzling more than $400,000 as president of the New York City Housing Development Corporation, and for possessing child pornography. He was also ordered to repay much of the embezzled money.

Ooops.

Gregor on November 9, 2007 at 1:56 AM

One last addition to this topic before calling it quits for the night …

Michelle says it well over on her blog:

I think the fiasco substantially damages Rudy Giuliani’s reputation as a homeland security leader (and 2008 presidential nominee)–not only because of his sloppy vetting of Kerik, but also because Giuliani’s own laxity on immigration (more here on his open-borders record ) will be difficult to ignore as a result of the Kerik taint.

You’re free to continue supporting Giuliani, but stop pretending he’s conservative. Stop pretending he’s clean. And please stop pretending he’s our savior. You make yourselves look as silly as the Ron Paul supporters.

Gregor on November 9, 2007 at 2:09 AM

Ooops.

Gregor on November 9, 2007 at 1:56 AM

You are attempting to distract from my challenge to you. Not biting.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 2:14 AM

Gregor,

I will visit this thread and commence visiting with you again in the morning, or failing that, I will meet you again as our timing overlaps. I am turning in for my “beauty rest”.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 2:23 AM

But that isn’t going to matter. Rudy will pay and Hillary will walk away without a scratch.

csdeven on November 8, 2007 at 7:51 PM

Maybe not, the msm wants Rudy to be the nominee. Then, and only maybe then, will they come out with all the dirt they have or can make on him.

If Rudolfo gets the Republican Presidential nomination the MSM and other Hillary minions will eat him alive with these stories. They are holding back now for obvious reasons.

MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:48 PM

Could be their plan. But I still think they’d be happy enough if he wins in ’08.

Texas Nick 77 on November 9, 2007 at 4:04 AM

MB4, my friend, you’re almost as intense against “Rudolfo” as csdeven is against Fred. I don’t know what to do about you two. I like both of you and don’t know what will be the cure. It’s almost distressing to see how distressed you are.

Entelechy on November 8, 2007 at 11:59 PM

Just be patient until a few primaries have been held. Some of the lower tier candidates should drop out, and then there should be a little more momentum building for one or two of the top three candidates. Try to lower the level of venom being let loose around here, and remember we should all be on the same team in November ’08.

Once the convention is held and the nominee is selected (I still predict no clear winner on the first ballot), let’s rally around the winner, regardless who he is, and defeat the socialist the democrats are bound to nominate.

Texas Nick 77 on November 9, 2007 at 4:58 AM

I divide the human species between the decent and the indecent. My grandson asked me just the other night if all Muslims were bad, and I answered that I reject that idea. I acknowledge no divides between male and female, rich and poor, left and right, black and brown and red and yellow and white, young and old, religious and non-religious, blessed and damned. The only thing that matters to me is the decent and the indecent. Both exist in all categories. Show me humanity in a person, and I will show you a friend.

RushBaby on November 9, 2007 at 1:06 AM

Very well said. I have travelled the world for the better part of two decades, and I can attest to those facts, you so well stated. There are good and bad in every race and religion, and political stance. The trick is, how to find the good people and avoid the bad.

Texas Nick 77 on November 9, 2007 at 5:10 AM

Rudiani knows how to pick them.

saved on November 9, 2007 at 6:23 AM

More interesting reading about Giuliani and shifts in the GOP. If he gets nominated it will be because many people who sometimes don’t vote in the primaries (aka non-base) are sending their message.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/giuliani_shifting_priorities_o.html

Bradky on November 9, 2007 at 6:43 AM

Rudy was the mayor of NYC. By necessity he had to surround himself with New Yorker politicians. The fact that some turned out to be corrupt does not suprise anyone. Rudy was very hated by the liberal media in NYC and any number of smear articles can be dug up by MB4 and his ilk. I am not in a position to debate the factual assertion made in those articles nor are they in a position to vouch for their veracity. However, assuming the truth, they do not show bad behavior by Rudy, but by others and sometime just allegations of bad behavior by others. The effort is made to associate guilt by implying a nexus with Rudy which can be exagerate by the use of biased words, ect.

Now the nexus between Rudy and Kerik was undeniably close. However, Rudy has admitted fault in not vetting Kerik more thoroughly. They were obviously very close and Rudy trusted him. It seems that Kerik betrayed that trust. So long as it is not shown that Rudy was not involved in any of these deals or knew about them as he was promoting Kerik, I think Rudy will be seen as the victim of a disloyal trusted friend.

A final thought, following Bradky’s link above, it appears that not only is Rudy the current front runner, but he is also the most popular second choice of the conservatives who did not make him their top pick. As other candidates drop out more will turn to Rudy than any other candidate. Barring a major scandal, that is going to be very difficult to overcome.

tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 7:31 AM

Entelechy on November 8, 2007 at 11:59 PM

You know I love ya, babe!

I’m not sure about MB4, but I suspect his issue with Rudy is the same as mine is for Fred. When you are the lonely voice in the wilderness, you need to be the loudest.

What I do isn’t a manifestation of any hysteria, but rather a disgust with a candidate that was perceived as something that I see he is not. He was touted as the savior because of reasons that had no basis in his qualifications to be president. His acting roles? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that. And you know the rest. LOTS of people who support him ignore his negatives and believe that their beliefs are in line with what the general electorate thinks.

Rudy has the qualifications and the temperament for the job, but has a history that troubles many conservatives. Even those who strongly support him are bothered, but because of his perceived electability, they make a pragmatic decision. But with the emergence of Mitt, people are starting to think maybe Rudy’s electability isn’t such a huge deal compared to his downside. I think MB4 is that voice in the wilderness that is speaking the loudest so as to keep the message in the fore front.

csdeven on November 9, 2007 at 7:45 AM

Yeah this story deserves attention. Yeah this story sheds light on past mistakes Rudy has made. Yeah this story deserves to be on page one. But, CAN SOMEONE IN THE MSM PLEASE SAY SOMETHING! ANYTHING! ABOUT SANDY BURGER?????????

Zetterson on November 9, 2007 at 9:39 AM

csdeven on November 9, 2007 at 7:45 AM

I’d rather be voting next year for either one of our candidates, but if this doesn’t sink Rudy and he does get the nomination, I’ll pull the ever for him, rather than HER.

Texas Nick 77 on November 9, 2007 at 9:41 AM

I never used any of those words. You drew those conclusions.

MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:53 PM

That was the whole point of the article you cut and pasted from!

MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 11:58 PM

Since my comments are coherent, for you to charge that I am drinking too much is a cheap smear tactic that reveals far more about you than about me.

In any case, thank you for providing links!

The New Republic story was quite interesting (although I disagree with some of its conclusions). It occurs to me that your unreasonable and very personal animus towards Rudy may derive from his Catholicism, and that story goes into great depth about how his education informed his views.

As for your claim that crime rates were reduced because the economy improved, that is hogwash. If you read the NR story you provided a link to you’d see that in addition to outlining the steps Rudy did to combat crime, they say:

Giuliani’s detractors would later say that the decline began under Dinkins, but that is misleading. The city’s murder rate reached an all-time high in 1990, then declined slightly over the next two years. But it was only after Giuliani took office that the crime rate declined precipitously–starting in 1994, when it fell by 12 percent. New York’s reduction in crime also far exceeded the national average–16 percent in the first half of 1995 compared to one percent nationally.

Buy Danish on November 9, 2007 at 9:55 AM

Water wet. Rudy is as Rudy does.

MB4 on November 8, 2007 at 9:11 PM

Did Rudy employ the jihadist Spencer Abraham as his campaign director and then lie about it? You know, like Fred did?

Priorities.

Loundry on November 9, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Gregor,

Good morning. Sorry I didn’t have time to respond in depth last night. Contrary to MB4′s asinine claim that I was drunk, the fact is that I have to get up early in the morning to get my son off to school.

Of the two stories, the only one that has any legs is the Placa story. Rudy can hardly be responsible for the personal behavior of everyone he hired and there are no allegations that Rudy himself is corrupt.

In Placa’s case the link you provided does raise some troubling questions, although the failure on Giuliani’s part would be one of naive loyalty not misconduct on his own part.

Generally speaking when there are allegations of sexual misconduct I am very reluctant to condemn the accused without good evidence since it’s far too easy to make accusations without having anything to back them up. While many of these cases are legitimate there are an awful lot of false charges leveled too.

The one alleged abuse we have any details about involves a high school student (Tollner) which leaves me a bit wary since this is not a young child we’re talking about. Why would he have waited to make these charges? By the time one is in High School I’d expect the person to speak up, but perhaps that is unrealistic.

For what it’s worth, this story from ABC’s The Blotter is worth reading as it does give a statement from another student supporting Placa. It would be helpful to hear from more students like him if they are out there.

Later…

Buy Danish on November 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM

Try to lower the level of venom being let loose around here, and remember we should all be on the same team in November ‘08.

Once the convention is held and the nominee is selected (I still predict no clear winner on the first ballot), let’s rally around the winner, regardless who he is, and defeat the socialist the democrats are bound to nominate.

Texas Nick 77 on November 9, 2007 at 4:58 AM

I’ll support you 100%, for all you said.

As other candidates drop out more will turn to Rudy than any other candidate. Barring a major scandal, that is going to be very difficult to overcome.

tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 7:31 AM

Indeed. We agree.

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Rudy was very hated by the liberal media in NYC and any number of smear articles can be dug up by MB4 and his ilk.

tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 7:31 AM

1) The liberal media does not hate Rudolfo.
2) The articles are not smear articles. You are in a state of denial. Kind of like the OJ jurors.
3) I have no ilks. I don’t even know anyone who has any ilks.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:03 PM

It occurs to me that your unreasonable and very personal animus towards Rudy may derive from his Catholicism, and that story goes into great depth about how his education informed his views.

Buy Danish Rudy’s Madre on November 9, 2007 at 9:55 AM

I have no personal animus towards Rudy, I just see him for what he is, that’s all. And what he is does not stem from his Catholicism, what very little he has of it. Your analytical skills are much in need of improvement, pretty much across the board. BTW, you are doing a pi$$ poor job of defending Rudolfo, pi$$ poor.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:28 PM

As other candidates drop out more will turn to Rudy than any other candidate. Barring a major scandal, that is going to be very difficult to overcome.

tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 7:31 AM

If Rudolfo gets the Republican party Presidential nomination, other than in name only, there will not, at the national level anyway, even be a Republican party anymore, just two democrat parties.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Contrary to MB4’s asinine claim that I was drunk

Buy Danish on November 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM

You must be totally void of any sense of humor. How sad for you. I’m not worried though as I’ve got enough for both of us.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:43 PM

By the time one is in High School I’d expect the person to speak up, but perhaps that is unrealistic.

Your expectations have no bearing on how another human being deals with being abused, violated, assaulted, threatened and/or having their faith obliterated.

Women, men and children of all ages hide the abuse they have suffered. Not all victims are willing to out themselves. Others don’t know whom they can trust, especially if their sense of trust was destroyed by someone close to them.

You also go on to say how “helpful” it would be to hear from more students supporting Placa. Why?

I don’t know whether or not this guy is guilty. And I understand that many false charges have been levied against people in the past.

Either way, I’ve come to the conclusion that most people are partial to their candidate. Your average voter is willing to overlook most violations by their candidate of choice. Rudy’s supporters are no different.

The Race Card on November 9, 2007 at 2:00 PM

I’m not worried though as I’ve got enough for both of us.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:43 PM

Endearing, and disarming.

You might not have, or acquire any “ilks”, but you are for sure an ilk of its own category; it’s a good thing.

Buy Danish is also a good person – quit attacking each other. Let’s fight to win together.

Entelechy on November 9, 2007 at 3:10 PM

don’t know whether or not this guy is guilty. And I understand that many false charges have been levied against people in the past.

Either way, I’ve come to the conclusion that most people are partial to their candidate. Your average voter is willing to overlook most violations by their candidate of choice. Rudy’s supporters are no different.

The Race Card on November 9, 2007 at 2:00 PM

Your comment almost sound like Rudy was the one doing the molesting. First off, Rudy did not molest anyone. Second, Placa was not convicted of anything and we have this thing called presumption of innocence. Third, the allegation was so stale when finally made that it was barred by the statute of limitations. Fourth, another student at the same time said 1) there was never any rumor whatsoever that Placa was doing that sort of thing; 2) the location where the accuser said the molestation took place was always a place of high traffic and would not have gone unnoticed; and 3) the accuser was friendly towards Placa and did not react consistent with someone who has been abused.

Given the nature of these unsubstantiated allegations it would be more of a scandal if Rudy had kicked a friend of 35 years to the curb over it.

Its not as if he borrowed a drug dealer’s jet or something.

tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 5:35 PM

If Rudolfo gets the Republican party Presidential nomination, other than in name only, there will not, at the national level anyway, even be a Republican party anymore, just two democrat parties.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 12:39 PM

No, the true RINO’s will finally be exposed. {{{mirror}}}

tommylotto on November 9, 2007 at 5:38 PM

MB4,

I have a fine sense of humor. The problem is that you’re not funny, you’re just obnoxious.

If your extreme animus towards Rudy isn’t based on his Catholicism (something which occurred to me because of your Atheism) fine, I’ll take you at your word. I’m trying to figure out what the source is of your unreasonable attacks on him.

Yesterday you went to great lengths to post information about what a rotten guy he is, but you ignore similar information about Fred’s recent hiring fiasco.

You b*tch about Rudy’s immigration policies but say McCain is better, when he is no better at all and may be far worse.

In that light your complaints about Rudy make no sense.

Buy Danish on November 9, 2007 at 6:45 PM

If your extreme animus towards Rudy isn’t based on his Catholicism (something which occurred to me because of your Atheism) fine, I’ll take you at your word. I’m trying to figure out what the source is of your unreasonable attacks on him.

Now that’s hilarious – anyone who believes the donkey dust about Rudy being a good Catholic needs to stop posting immediately. LOL

Atheists fear not, believe me, there is a laundry list of reasons to attack Rudy beyond the size of infinite, his faith ain’t one of them though.

LOLOLOLOL

AprilOrit on November 9, 2007 at 7:21 PM

LOLOLOL

…his faith ain’t one of them because he is a cafeteria Catholic kind of along the lines of John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

LOLOLOLOL

AprilOrit on November 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM

MB4,

I have a fine sense of humor. The problem is that you’re not funny, you’re just obnoxious.

If you ever had a sense of humor you lost it some time ago. If you are sure that you had one once, maybe you should put out an all-points-bulletin for it. It would have been very small, so someone may have found it but not be able to recognize it without a microscope.

If your extreme animus towards Rudy isn’t based on his Catholicism (something which occurred to me because of your Atheism) fine, I’ll take you at your word. I’m trying to figure out what the source is of your unreasonable attacks on him.

I have no extreme animus towards your hijo Rudolfo. How could you even think that it would be based on his Catholicism as he has less of it than I do. My “attacks” are not unreasonable at all. You just think that because you have a madre’s love for her hijo.

Yesterday you went to great lengths to post information about what a rotten guy he is, but you ignore similar information about Fred’s recent hiring fiasco.

I ignore lots of things. Come to think of it, I should be ignoring you.

You b*tch about Rudy’s immigration policies but say McCain is better, when he is no better at all and may be far worse.

That is not what I said, not about immigration. You seem to be intent on seeing what is not there. Except in the case of Rudolfo, then it is the other way around. I guess there is a certain balance there, I suppose.

In that light your complaints about Rudy make no sense.

Buy Danish on November 9, 2007 at 6:45 PM

You are in a greater state of denial than OJ’s jurors. Much greater.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 9:01 PM

Now that’s hilarious – anyone who believes the donkey dust about Rudy being a good Catholic needs to stop posting immediately. LOL

LOLOLOLOL

AprilOrit on November 9, 2007 at 7:21 PM

LOLOLOL

…his faith ain’t one of them because he is a cafeteria Catholic kind of along the lines of John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

LOLOLOLOL

AprilOrit on November 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM

AprilOrit gets it.

Pero entonces no tiene la cabeza pegada hasta Rudolfo’s del a$no.

MB4 on November 9, 2007 at 9:07 PM

AprilOrit gets it.

I am NY born and bred, my parents know Rudy personally, they are supporting him, my mother is campaigning for him.

I’ve met him twice.

I do get it indeed.

AprilOrit on November 9, 2007 at 9:22 PM

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