Hillary’s lead drops by a third since debate debacle
posted at 11:43 am on November 7, 2007 by Bryan
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In the past fortnight Hillary Clinton has gone from inevitable to evitable as the Democrat nominee. I still think it’s hers to lose, but she’s doing a good job of losing it and rivals are starting to take due umbrage at the Clinton camp’s response.
On Monday, in defense of his wife against political critics, Bill Clinton cited the “swift boat” television ads of the 2004 presidential campaign that questioned John Kerry’s patriotism and the campaign commercials in 2002 that suggested Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia was soft on terrorism.
Obama told The Associated Press he was “stunned” to hear Clinton make the comparison…
Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, another candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, called the Clintons’ response to the debate “outrageous.”
“To have the former president come out and suggest this is a form of swift boating … is way over the top in my view,” Dodd said in a telephone interview…
But the “swift boating” attack may be dividing Clinton’s own camp.
A senior adviser to Sen. Clinton’s campaign, speaking only on condition of anonymity, said the former president’s remarks were not part of campaign strategy and in fact were considered counterproductive by the her advisers.
Is it unfair to note how hilarious this all is? Clinton had a bad performance in the latter tenth of one debate. She had been solid up to that point, but one of the two segments in which she tried and miserably failed to pull off a Bill Clinton style triangulation has become the takeaway. And it’s become the takeaway in part because she and her own campaign have made such a huge deal of it. They seem to see the episode as Hillary’s “for it before I was against it” moment, and in the sense of the primaries they may be right, but still, she did have a 33 point lead going into that debate. If they had not unleashed Bill Clinton and if they had found a way to treat it more as a bump in the road than a brick wall, she probably wouldn’t be projecting this image of desperate incompetence.
And that image is contributing to shaving about 10 points off her lead over Obama. They have time to right the ship, and being Clintons it’s only a matter of time before the Comeback Kid II meme gets cranked up, but the whiff of desperation that started last week may linger well into next year.
To which I can only say, heh.
Update: Via Ace, Hillary’s lead in New Hampshire is narrowing too. And a majority of Democrats there are pronouncing “Do not want” on the Hillary/Spitzer licenses for illegals gambit.
At some point, all this noise might start echoing a bit. If it becomes a standing wave it’ll drown out anything else the Clinton juggernaut tries say or do.
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Too good to be true. There is no stopping this beast. She is the Freddy Kruger of politics.
Rightwingsparkle on November 7, 2007 at 11:45 AM
The last thing we need is a Klinton in office with our Troops engaging the barbarians. Remember what happened in Somalia? We can’t afford to let history repeat itself this time.
Tony737 on November 7, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Nicely said, RWS.
Bryan on November 7, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Hopefully people will start seeing hillary for what she is. If she isn’t the nominee then the republicans can nominate anyone they want and still win the whitehouse
offroadaz on November 7, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Face it… its ALL about the media at this point.
This debate was the first time she walked into any tough questions from anyone… and she failed.
The media are now circleing like sharks in the water… although they were giving her a pass before…
People are asking why, 7 years later, papers still are not released about Clintons White House…
Some media is actualy investigating campaign finance abuses… and talking about it…
I think you’re going to see a change in how they handle Hillary… and it aint gonna be pretty.
Romeo13 on November 7, 2007 at 11:51 AM
First time I have ever seen a candidate try to hide behind her own skirts , which by the way she rarely ever wears, probably doesn’t want to show just how much of a big tent Democrat she is.
CommentGuy on November 7, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Drudge reports Kathleen Willey has a new book out.
Accuses Clinton’s involvement in her husband suicide.
Will it provide the sympathy vote, a ho-hum yawn, or another bimbo eruption containment?
Swift-boating on one flank and bimbo eruptions on another flank.
Kini on November 7, 2007 at 11:53 AM
In-EVA-table?
profitsbeard on November 7, 2007 at 11:54 AM
For Hillary, there’s nothing like showing her true colors as a sure fire way to screw the pooch.
Kowboy on November 7, 2007 at 11:59 AM
You are wrong.
Even the Democrats will abandon the Hillary ship in enough numbers to prevent her nomination, if, they believe she cannot win the general
- there are enough Democrats who don’t support licenses for illegals –
…because remember, for them it’s all about winning the general election.
Even before this Hillary had huge negative numbers – fully 50% would never vote for Hillary – and, the Iowa caucuses were essentially tied with Obama.
Now, she’s drop 10% really fast,….
….it’s over for Hillary.
She’s done… you heard it here first.
Mcguyver on November 7, 2007 at 12:00 PM
I know this is a pipe dream, but if she gets the nomination, it’ll be fun to see the Republicans go after her on this stuff.
The other dems are still handling her with kid gloves, because she’s a fellow dem, but the GOP hopefully will have no such compunction.
CurtZHP on November 7, 2007 at 12:01 PM
lol and who would have thunk , the american people really dont want to reward illegals .
Mojack420 on November 7, 2007 at 12:03 PM
The Clenis and Hildebeast tripping over their respective triangularizations in one week?!
The schedenfreud makes me absolutely giddy!
csdeven on November 7, 2007 at 12:03 PM
I think this drop was inevitable. Hillary is not a likeable person. Her flip flopping about something that 77% of Americans are strongly opposed brings back memories to the many years of her “husband’s” bad stewardship.
I’m willing to go out on a limb here and suggest that Hillary and B. Hussein are going to have a very hard time getting the nomination. They make a good story but I’m thinking Chris Dodd is going to make a very tough competitor once the adults consider the situation.
highhopes on November 7, 2007 at 12:04 PM
Folks, it’s a full year, minus one day, until the election. I’m not coming out of my bunker just yet.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 7, 2007 at 12:06 PM
schadenfreude indeed.
The idea that we need Giuliani to beat Hillary is an idea rooted in ignorance. Half of the electorate won’t vote for her. Not that most people know that. So the “Fear the Hildabeast” is good strategy. If she turns in another lackluster performance in a debate that tactic becomes far less valuable.
Rudy’s camp cringes.
Theworldisnotenough on November 7, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Romeo13 on November 7, 2007 at 11:51 AM said
I agree with what you say here, but if Hillary gets the nomination, look fo the MSM to give here a free ride no matter what she does or says until the election.
doufree on November 7, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Thats weird, the latest gallop poll conducted at the same time shows no change.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-11-06-politics.htm
Complete7 on November 7, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Not only has she flip flopped in the debate, she has also refined here illegal license position 3 times since the debate was over.
Now let her try to blame that on the Potato Head / Chimp cabal.
CommentGuy on November 7, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Does’t matter, I still think she’ll be our next president. I think independents are gonna swing dem this time around. I hate to say this, but I still think its gonna happen.
robblefarian on November 7, 2007 at 12:15 PM
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We should have forced the American people to accept another amnesty no matter what they thought about it.
Hey how about instead of filling the vacuumed to actually empty the vacuum bag and
ENFORCE OUR IMMAGRATION LAWS ON THE BOOKS
Yes I was yelling
Mojack420 on November 7, 2007 at 12:15 PM
I’d rather have Hillary than Ron Paul, just for a point of reference on where that numbskull fits in my political spectrum.
That said, she is hilariously lost in front of the camera and the questionner. All her talent lies in the back room, using the money, the image (fake), and the power play to wheedle and deal. Her instincts are vicious and leftist, in that order, and her likability approaches zero. She makes the insufferable Al Gore look like your fun Uncle Bubby.
The early line explaining that New York has millions of “undocumented workers” driving around illegally and that it’s just a matter of time — probability — that “one of them” will “have an accident that harms themselves and others”.
As John Bolton might say, she is a target-rich environment; where to start? If I cared to I could list “accidents” by drunk, drugged up, illiterate, lost, and otherwise disabled illegals which killed Americans — or New Yorkers, if you prefer — and some of which might have “harmed undocumented workers”, Hillary’s primary concern.
- So how, exactly, will a New York drivers license change this?
- Why will illegal aliens comply with “rules of the road” suddenly because of a NY drivers license, when entering a country and working illegally doesn’t faze them?
- Why will illegals suddenly be inspired to switch from The Shadows Car Insurance program to Allstate?
Illinois drove right up to the edge on this idiotic policy issue before waking up and hitting the brakes; I hope NY does it. Then maybe some of our millions of illegals will go to NY to live.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Liars can figure and figures can lie. After many statistics classes in college, I don’t believe any of it. Most pollsters are caught up in some entanglement with some group and conduct bent polls to make their wish list show to be true. Re-enforce crap and the public will believe it. Look at those damn fool truthers.
saiga on November 7, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Keeping your powder dry?
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:24 PM
This is typical. We always get the horse race (but rarely is the Nag out in front first)
The race always bois down to the top two. If your not either the front runner or the main challenger by New Hampshire you have no chance.
So we see the polls bounce as people actually have to vote rather than “Who do you like the most right now ?”
As people get more fucused the numbers will tighten. Hillary has won two of the biggest voter blocks in the democratic party, Unions and Blacks. Black support is so solid for her she is garaunteed at least either front runner statis or second highest.
That strong backing by blacks means Hillary is most likely the nominee and its doubtful that anyone will overtake her
William Amos on November 7, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Understatement of the year! That broad is Nurse Ratched incarnate!!
I truly pity any boy crazy enough to marry Chelsea. (Personally, I don’t think I could get that drunk.) Can you imagine having that for a mother-in-law??
CurtZHP on November 7, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Is it too soon to start asking Hillary, “If you can name one mistake you’ve made since starting this campaign …”
I’ve got to admire Hillary in one respect — she’s stubborn and unable to change direction when her position results in miserable failure. But do we need another 4 years of that?
/sarc
Dusty on November 7, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Dodd?! Oh, my goodness, what a thought. Boy, would that send the Dems reeling, if that bozo ended up with serious support…
Someone did a group comparison of the Dem candidates v GOP guys, and it was striking how much more accomplished and serious the GOP side was, as a group. Why it doesn’t break down that way individually is an interesting dilemma to me.
Even The Only Man Who Can Save America versus their Lunatic Fringe candidates Gravel and Kucinich comes out in our favor; at least the guy was a doctor and graduated from Duke medical school. Kucinich has never been the smartest guy in any room he has entered.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:29 PM
What’s that famous saying?…Oh!
Not only does this prove her nomination is evitable, her Presidency is evitable too.
We can all hope that Teflon coatings are obsolete in the internet age.
Speakup on November 7, 2007 at 12:31 PM
There are two things at work: It’s dawning on people that a Hillary administration would just be a reprise of all that was unseemly about Bill’s tenure.
Second, is it possible that Bill is intentionally torpedoing his wife’s chances? He may have promised her that her turn was coming, but do we really think Bill wants to be the eunuched husband of a woman president?
She already cracks the whip on the man. Imagine what that would be like if she had executive power and the nuclear football.
rivlax on November 7, 2007 at 12:32 PM
WA, what is the percentage of the Dem primary vote from blacks? It has got to be pretty high, right? 20% + ?
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Not me. I’m ready for a dog fight in Washington. Ron Paul could take the US government to it’s political knees and remember Good judjement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judjement.
If Ron Paul were to be elected (he will not)the mess that comes out of it may result in some lessons learned and get our country off the no good track it is on now. Yes the economy is good, yes we have not been attacked, yes we are winning in Iraq, but I am so so sick of the status quo as far as political discourse is concerned that I want things to be shaken up big time and our buddy Ron Paul would do it. Like Nixon said “You have to have seen the deepest valley to appreciate the highest mountain.” We probably need a few steps backwards in order to move forward in a new productive way.
Just thinking out loud.
saiga on November 7, 2007 at 12:35 PM
He’s a liberal but Dodd is the experienced, middle of the road guy, if the Dems wake up he probably would be the front runner.
Of course “liberals waking up” is an oxymoron.
Speakup on November 7, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Interesting thought, but the theory assumes a level of education and intelligence among the electorate that isn’t there, imo. If the electorate was smart enough to learn from electoral disaster — rather than just swing back and forth like an angry pendulum — then we would have the Craptastic Politics that we already have.
I really think our educational system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt first. Read a high school or college newspaper and consider the opinions that you find there, and then tell me that you want to give 18 year olds the chance to help us recover from disaster.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Interesting thought, Saiga…
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Speakup, his comments at the debate were stunningly clear and forceful, by comparison to the crap we hear from the Democrats, so I get your point. He’s still a First Class Douchebag.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:44 PM
I’m not willing to count her out of the primary just yet.
She may be down, but she is surely not out. Compared to the other Candidates on the (D) side. She is probably the best shot the Dems Have at taking the Whitehouse. Obama would act kid who has just stole the key’s to Dad’s new sports car. And Edwards would never come out from under his desk (Or from the White House mirror) as he would have a permanent bad hair day.
The rest of the Democrat field is either too unknown or so damn far behind that it would take nothing short of a miracle for them to capture the nomination.
The way I see it, the Hillary truck has blow a few tires but with 15 good wheels left it’s still rolling along and unless something more disastrous happens, or Obama and Edwards can toss a few more wrenches into the works or some more nails onto the road, the Hillary express will still coast to the nomination finish line with ease.
Scorched_Earth on November 7, 2007 at 12:44 PM
Found this Rutgers study. Its just over 12 %
White Black Hispanic
75.1% 12.3% 12.5%
Democratic Party Makeup
William Amos on November 7, 2007 at 12:47 PM
It is easy to predict what will happen next. The MSM will declare that anybody who criticizes Hillary about drivers licenses is an antiHispanic racist. Even Tim Russert will be cowed into silence about it. It usually works this way: Bill Clinton leads the charge of suggesting that anybody who criticizes Hillary is a racist and sexist. Katie Couric and the CNN gang then join the fray. At NBC, Brian Williams is virtually a cheerleader for Hillary. Before long, nobody dares say anything about Hillary. Bill Clinton has already cowed the media into refusing to ask Hillary anything about the Billy Dale travelgate scandal, RedBones and the Cattlefuture or anything about Bill’s philandering. Before long, Hillary is back in the front runner’s spot, immune from anything but critics in the blogs.
Larraby on November 7, 2007 at 12:49 PM
No, but he does gets lots of compliments on his troll costume every October. ;-0
Seriously, the “gravitas” is decidedly missing from the “rat” slate of wannabes. That’s why Hillary is floating names like Evan Bayh around (conservative midwesterner with experience). Most absurd CV, however, goes to B. Hussein who is actually citing his college transcript courses in international affairs as “experience” for leading the country.
highhopes on November 7, 2007 at 12:53 PM
I’m anxiously waiting for someone to ask her how much a gallon of milk costs. Oh wait, that’s another gotcha question.
Nevermind.
fogw on November 7, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Agreed. It’s still Hillary.
Wow. A lot lower than I thought. I wonder why? 12.5% of the population, of which 90% are Democrats, right? Blacks must undervote the primary.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 12:57 PM
True on the party makeup, but if I read him right he was talking of primary participation rates and blacks do get out to vote for the primaries beyond their party makeup. I have seen some examples of where their contribution hit 18 – 28 % of the primary participants.
CommentGuy on November 7, 2007 at 1:00 PM
All this over finally after 15 years having to answer a simple question.
Now she’s in meltdown.
Her reaction alone the past week makes her unfit for office.
JammieWearingFool on November 7, 2007 at 1:03 PM
Watch for Gore around the corner. He’ll be on 30 Rock 2morrow nite.
astuddis on November 7, 2007 at 1:09 PM
I have to believe that if she gets the nomination, there are enough alternatives to the MSM to air some (more) bad news and to play up stupid things she says. Think WH Travel Office Vets for Truth, more campaign finance “issues”, etc.
MamaAJ on November 7, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Too early to tell whether this dip is a trend or a blip.
The media is going to rev up to protect her.
Weebork on November 7, 2007 at 1:16 PM
That’s how I see it. But I’ve never ever seen her as fit for office.
Bryan on November 7, 2007 at 1:19 PM
Exactly. But the Dems will come out for her strong, except maybe the moonbats. They hate her, and might shoot themselves in the foot to spite her.
The luxury of being a liberal is that you can do whatever you want in the election, without fear of “settling” for an imperfect liberal, because if you lose, you still have a Republican President, which always works out better for the country anyway. It’s like electoral insurance.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 1:27 PM
Hillary is a spinless poll chaser. She was exposed by, of all things, a soft petaling liberal hack. Like most Liberal progressives she missed the fact that US citizens get upset when you pander to illegal immigrants. That’s a pretty major blunder for a poll chaser. US citizens, Democrat and Republican alike, have made it pretty clear that pandering to illegal immigrants is almost the worst thing a candidate can do.
Hillary is like a thief trying to crack the combination to the safe that contains the Presidency. The crimanality of the Clinton machine makes Tricky Dick look down right cherubic.
The true light at the end of the tunnel is the Clintons are the toughest opponents, Obama isn’t far from Ron Paul in his lunacy, and behaves like a sissy boy in the debates.
The other thing that people miss, is even the liberal controlled MSM enjoy a good feeding frenzy, even if it’s their own candidate of choice. They can’t controll themselves when there’s blood in the water.
I see the real election as the Republican’s to lose.
Rode Werk on November 7, 2007 at 1:45 PM
And primary voting is always lower than general election voting. In that sense the Union vote is probably more important to Hillary than black votes in that their political machines work better during the primaries.
Blacks dont make up the majority of hillary support but they tend to be her most loyal group.
William Amos on November 7, 2007 at 1:46 PM
That clip never gets old.
ej_pez on November 7, 2007 at 1:47 PM
As the pressure builds and her lead narrows, keep an eye on the coming glacier meltdown.
There will come a time when Hill doesn’t like the way things are going and will turn in to the nag (I wanted to use a different word, but don’t want to get banned) that is her true persona.
It will be so obvious that her candidacy will end the minute she stops her rant.
Watch for it, it’s coming.
swami on November 7, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Potential
Responsesspins for Hillary:#1 “You know, it really doesn’t matter how much milk costs when our children are facing a planet where global warming is melting the polar ice caps.”
#2 “When I’m President, I’m going to take the profits from big milk and make sure that every family can afford all the dairy products they need.”
#3 “The Bush administration failed to ensure that milk was provided to the people trapped on top of their homes in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina and I’m here to tell you that won’t happen when I become President. My 1000 point plan requires FEMA to establish strategic dairy farms for the immediate deployment of milk in times of crisis.”
#4 “My healthcare plan includes provisions to provide milk with no co-pay for the individual. Folks will simply have to fill out the appropriate forms and wait their turn to see a government-certified bovine distribution technician.”
#5 “All I can tell you is that milk is far more expensive now than it was under the previous administration.”
highhopes on November 7, 2007 at 2:09 PM
Just as the youtube video of John Edwards primping for hours to the tune of “I’m so pretty”, has gotten millions of views and illustrates what a selfabsorbed man that Mr. Edwards is, someone with technical skill should do a youtube of all of Bill Clinton’s bullying temper tantrums starting with his fingerwagging and hysterical reaction to Brit Hume when Mr. Hume asked Clinton a standard question about the pace of his Supreme Court nomination (1993), then we could have Mr. Clinton slamming Abigail Thorenstam in mid 90s when he bullied her about affirmative action and refused to let her answer and then his meltdown at Microsoft. This would allow people to see the real Bill Clinton in action.
Larraby on November 7, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Oh yeah, Dodd makes me want to ralph but then Hillary makes the front of a speeding bus look good.
Speakup on November 7, 2007 at 2:16 PM
Hillary was interviewed by Candy Crowley for CNN — and still dodged the question. Even though Candy told her she was dodging. (Bob, bob, weave, weave, repeat)
I decided to check out the comments on Media Matters and just about fell out of my chair! Most of them were being really hard on poor widdle Hillary. This parody is ~2/3 of the way down the page:
lan astaslem on November 7, 2007 at 2:39 PM
…cries for herself…
Entelechy on November 7, 2007 at 2:54 PM
What destroys most candidates, only chips away at her lead. Obama is the back-up kid, keeping him on the bench to pinch hit just in case she goes off the deep end.
A little of the subject, but do you get the feeling that Feinstein made a deal with the Republicans? You leave my giving husband prime contract bids out of any hearings, and I will back you on selected bills. She has been more supportive of the Admin. for the past few months (opposite of her buddy Boxer).
Not a word about her illegal activities when she was in charge of procurements and contracts.
right2bright on November 7, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Right on. Hillary hasn’t ever run $hit in her whole life. The fact that she is a frontrunner has nothing to do with her; it’s all about Bill. The problem is that millions of Women with cheating husbands have a kinship with her, and the money for nothing crowd sees her as a federal ATM cash cow for all the victims or the “system” that were never able to get their own businesses going because of some injustice. (like lack of talent) Hillary’s constituants are Americas victims of whatever, and we are growing more of them everyday.
The real problem with that is that pseudo victims typically are generally wagon riders, not pullers. Only the Hollywood millionaires that feel guilty about their easy money love Hillary and pay her bills. It makes them feel like they are paying some sort of carbon offset like thing.
saiga on November 7, 2007 at 3:09 PM
Democrats tried to convince the nation during the reign of the Zipper King that personal sins are irrelevant to job performance. Now that the Queen’s congenital lying condition once again has the spotlight, will Democrats be influenced in any meaningful way? NOPE.
She will be nominated because her competitors are such a weak field.
T J Green on November 7, 2007 at 3:47 PM
I thought of you when I ran across this –
Never too early to get ahead of the curve on the next Democrat to puff himself up.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 3:59 PM
T J,
“The Zipper King”
Heh.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 4:00 PM
saiga,
I don’t know about millions of women with cheating husbands, the one thing that I have never been able to wrap my mind around is this: Clinton screwed every brainless/immoral* woman he ever came in contact with, all the while married, and everyone knows it. We all also know that he has been credibly accused of a variety of incidents of genuine sexual harrassment, assault, and even rape.
But the liberal women who claim to support Hillary are the same ones who say they would kneel down and knob her husband right now (note: still married). And the “feminists” with all of their nutty ideas about what constitutes offensive language or a harrassing work environment, are among his/her biggest supporters, despite the fact that he almost single-handedly destroyed their silly movement.
Is there a greater example of the hypocrisy of the left in all of our recent political history?
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 4:14 PM
*brainless: willing to have sex with Bill Clinton
*immoral: knowing that he is married, and that his wife and daughter are upstairs and it’s Easter.
Jaibones on November 7, 2007 at 4:15 PM
That’s not what the latest Gallup poll taken at the same time says.
Clinton 50%, Obama 22%.
MB4 on November 7, 2007 at 4:18 PM
Anyone who thinks that Hillary is not the very likely dim nominee is either a whole lot smarter than me or a whole lot dumber.
MB4 on November 7, 2007 at 4:20 PM
This is not a good omen for Republicans for 2008.
Democrats seized control of the Senate for the first time in 12 years during state elections [in Virginia] Tuesday, boosting Gov. Timothy M. Kaine’s hopes of winning legislative approval for his agenda during the final two years of his term.
By gaining four seats previously held by Republicans, Democrats will hold at least a 21-18 edge when the Senate convenes in January. One Senate seat remained undecided.
MB4 on November 7, 2007 at 4:26 PM
Latest Gallup poll Clinton 51%, Giuliani 45%.
Ditto latest CNN poll, same numbers.
And this is before a lot of people have even found out about all of Rudy’s big negatives. They already know about the HildaBeast™ big negatives.
Anyone who thinks that this thing is looking good for Republicans is either on drugs or if not they should be.
MB4 on November 7, 2007 at 4:40 PM
Wish it were evitable, but I fear it will be Evitaville.
RWS is right IMO.
“I don’t quit. I keep going.” –Hillary Clinton
inviolet on November 7, 2007 at 9:09 PM
This is all good and well but better would be having the conservative candidate take a stand and promise to fight the ILLEGAL Alien Amnesty no matter what, and no matter who supports it half of the time [HILLARY!].
DannoJyd on November 7, 2007 at 9:14 PM
You hit the nail on the head. What these politicians have not realized (both Dims and Repubs) is what the Americans think is the most important issue today and that is illegal immigration and its ever increasing costs to US citizens. 79% of all Americans, Democrats and Republicans, want something done about illigal immigration. It is all over the news. States, cities and counties are passing laws because the Feds refuse to enforce immigration laws. Look what Oklahoma has recently done. Don’t you think one politician would have noticed by now? Hillary shot herself in the foot over her answer to Russert’s question. All of the candidates are doing the same thing, with the exception of a few. But don’t tell Hillary, we want her to go on shooting herself in the foot!
Neocon Peg on November 7, 2007 at 9:32 PM
I think it is time Americans stop listening to polls. I am sick and tired of polls telling me that ONLY Guiliani can beat Clinton, therefore I must support Guiliani. BS! I don’t care what his poll numbers are or what Clinton’s poll numbers are. I think the American public just forgets how to think rationally and just goes along with the polls as to who to vote for. Even if I were a big Guiliani fan, I would still question why he is the ONLY one who could beat Hillary. Are we being led down a path by the powers that be? It’s an honest question to which I would appreciate an honest answer.
Neocon Peg on November 7, 2007 at 9:40 PM
The reason Rudy is said / thought to be the only one who can win, with a large enough margin and coat-tail side effects regarding future congressional elections is that there are a growing number of thin-skinned, indecisive, capitulating Conservatives who seem to believe that it’s enough to be conservative at home and among their own families. They can’t or won’t recognize that there’s a serious effort / campaign to incrementally usher in even further Liberalistic policies and Atheistic beliefs. In other words…, there is a growing number of Rudy-like Republicans who are just the opposite of James Dobson and won’t vote for a Con-Rep anymore than Dr. Dobson will vote for a Lib-Rep. It’s all about turn-out and mandate. That’s MY opinion and I’m stickin’ to it. ;)
Rugged Individual on November 8, 2007 at 1:00 AM
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