Video: Krazy Keith talks torture, fascism and putting Bush in jail

posted at 7:30 am on November 6, 2007 by Bryan

Last night’s Keith Olbermann “Special Comment” went on for about 15 minutes. It was without doubt the longest, strangest, most spittle-flecked Olbermann rant in at least a week.

It begins with a wild accusation.

It is a fact startling in its cynical simplicity and it requires cynical and simple words to be properly expressed: The presidency of George W. Bush has now devolved into a criminal conspiracy to cover the ass of George W. Bush.

All the petulancy, all the childish threats, all the blank-stare stupidity; all the invocations of World War III, all the sophistic questions about which terrorist attacks we wanted him not to stop, all the phony secrets; all the claims of executive privilege, all the stumbling tap-dancing of his nominees, all the verbal flatulence of his apologists…

All of it is now, after one revelation last week, transparently clear for what it is: the pathetic and desperate manipulation of the government, the refocusing of our entire nation, toward keeping this mock president and this unstable vice president and this departed wildly self-overrating attorney general, and the others, from potential prosecution for having approved or ordered the illegal torture of prisoners being held in the name of this country.

Got that? The Bush administration itself is a criminal conspiracy. If that were true, then as you’ll see later on in Olbermann’s comment, his first paragraph would have landed him in jail because he would have run afoul of “fascists.” So the sum of his special comment is that it’s self disproving. Odds that he’ll notice that — zero.

The genesis of Olbermann’s criminal conspiracy accusation is the ABC report from last week that detailed a few facts about water boarding as it was practiced on 3 al Qaeda figures up to 2003.

For all the debate over waterboarding, it has been used on only three al Qaeda figures, according to current and former U.S. intelligence officials.

As ABC News first reported in September, waterboarding has not been used since 2003 and has been specifically prohibited since Gen. Michael Hayden took over as CIA director.

Officials told ABC News on Sept. 14 that the controversial interrogation technique, in which a suspect has water poured over his mouth and nose to stimulate a drowning reflex as shown in the above demonstration, had been banned by the CIA director at the recommendation of his deputy, Steve Kappes.

Hayden sought and received approval from the White House to remove waterboarding from the list of approved interrogation techniques first authorized by a presidential finding in 2002.

The officials say the decision was made sometime last year but has never been publicly disclosed by the CIA.

Olbermann gets around to noting that there were only 3 figures waterboarded about 5 minutes into his rant. He never gets around to noting that the waterboarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed may have saved thousands of lives, and never acknowledges that having KSM in custody amounted to the ticking time bomb scenario that everyone discusses as being the only case when torture might be acceptable. I say that KSM’s interrogation amounted to the ticking time bomb because, as the mastermind of al Qaeda plots world wide including 9-11, KSM was in a position to know of most if not all AQ plots that were in motion as of his capture. He was one of just a handful, maybe 3 to 5 very senior level AQ officers, who would have been knowledgeable about ongoing plots. US officials, of course, had little idea what KSM might or might not know, or when any of the possible plots that KSM did know about might be set to go hot. But they knew that if anyone then in custody knew, it would be KSM. So they waterboarded him to find out what he knew, and he knew of quite a lot. His capture brought us as close to the ticking time bomb scenario as we’re likely to get off the set of 24.

If given the chance to ask Olbermann, I’d put this question to him: What would you have done if the decision to interrogate KSM had been yours, and whatever course you took could on the one hand affect one guilty man or the lives of thousands of innocents? These choices are never as easy as a mic jockey like Olbermann would lead his followers to believe.

Olbermann is Exhibit A in why it’s problematic give opinionated, ignorant, incurious swine network airtime to sway public opinion in the middle of a war. Olbermann gathers just enough facts to allow him to twist up a case against his enemies, but he doesn’t marshall enough facts to deliver any kind of reasonable picture of what’s really taking place or what he might do if he had the responsibility of deciding what ought or ought not be done. He doesn’t have that responsibility, he has never had it and he will never have it. He’ll never have to answer the question of what he would do if the responsibility were his. He’s not brave enough to hold that responsibility, and even if he was, the country isn’t foolish enough to give it to him. He’s just a blowhard sportscaster with an attic full of axes to grind and free reign to opine on whatever pops into his mind.

Do the suits over at MSNBC ever listen to the nonsense that comes out of Olbermann’s mouth? Evidently not, or they might have caught this prize passage several tortuous minutes into Olby’s soliloquy.

From its beginning as the most neglectful protection ever of the lives and safety of the American people … into the most efficient and cynical exploitation of tragedy for political gain in this country’s history … and, then, to the giddying prospect that you could do what the military fanatics did in Japan in the 1930s and remake a nation into a fascist state so efficient and so self-sustaining that the fascism would be nearly invisible.

Invisible fascism? That’s a neat trick, but it’s nonsense. Fascism is pointless if you can’t see it, or if it’s so insubstantial that you can just see right through it. Fascism, Keith, is one of those movements that produces a lot of very visible evidence. Nationalization of industry, like that going on in Venezuela. Goose-stepping minions, like that going on in Iran and what went on in Italy in the 1930s. Rounding up of political and journalistic opposition, like that going on in Russia. That’s fascism in one form or another.

It’s unlike anything that’s going on in the United States.

But by calling the Bush administration’s alleged fascism “nearly invisible,” Olbermann has pulled off the neat trick (if you’re dumb enough not catch the sleight of hand) of not having to produce any evidence to back up what he’s saying. Because he can’t. Because there isn’t any. It’s as made up as a Jayson Blair quote or a New Republic fact-check.

Not that any of that will matter to our friends on the left. The Olbermann fan club will nod and cheer at his bravery, they’ll pass around the clip and the link and live it up. They’ll bask in Olbermann’s bravery by proxy, smug that they’re standing up to the evil man and his minions in the White House. They’ll compare Tim Russert to Hitler for –gasp– asking tough questions of Hillary Clinton, the irony that their own mau mauing of Fox News and of journalists that they don’t like and talk show hosts that outwit them and their support for the Orwellian “Fairness Doctrine,” the “outing” of political opponents, the posting of home addresses and slashing of tires, the trashing of military recruiting stations, the desecration of military graves and the constant smears and so many more of the left’s more hard boiled actions more closely resemble fascist thug tactics than anything the Bush administration has done or will ever do.

Those people doing those things are your people, Olbermann. You whip them into a 15-minutes hate with Special Comments like last night’s. They’re more likely to goose step on your command, pal, not George Bush’s.

Blowback

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At this point. when I hear Olbermann speak I think back to that episode of Star Trek where the hostile aliens land Captain Kirk and the boys in a reproduction of the shootout of the OK Corral. Spock figures out that it’s all an illusion and the bullets won’t harm them if they don’t believe they are deadly. He gives Kirk, McCoy, and Scottie a Vulcan mind meld to eliminate all their human doubt using words like “The bullets are shadows. Lies. Apparitions with no form. They are to be ignored.”

Olbermann’s words remind me of those bullets. I’m off to get a Vulcan mind meld so I remember they are apparitions withour form.

radjah shelduck on November 6, 2007 at 7:38 AM

Olberman might have some new company. Your buddy and mine…ROSIE!

Rightwingsparkle on November 6, 2007 at 7:41 AM

RADJAH…spoken like a true “Trekie” !

Live long and prosper.

DoctorDentons on November 6, 2007 at 7:48 AM

I’d say he’s descending into irrelevancy, but that would mean he was ever relevant to begin with.

He’s pre-emptively trying to outdo crazy Rosie.

JammieWearingFool on November 6, 2007 at 7:50 AM

Olberman is just another one of MSNBC’s insidious gaggle of leftist loons. NBC has completely gone over the edge and is rapidly becoming pure propaganda machine and a danger to the Republic.

rplat on November 6, 2007 at 7:52 AM

They’ll compare Tim Russert to Hitler for –gasp– asking tough questions of Hillary Clinton…

…the ironic thing is they weren’t tough questions.

A middleschool debate team could have hit a home run with them. The fact is they were simple questions but they required one to form an answer based on truth and personal beliefs… ie Hillary kryptonite.

Alden Pyle on November 6, 2007 at 8:15 AM

Pure Clinton talking points , the “criminal conspiracy” notion has been floated as a Billy and the Beast trait, to they accuse GW of the same to deflect the investigations into their real criminal activities. He is a stooge for them.

bbz123 on November 6, 2007 at 8:23 AM

If what Olbermann says is true, why wasn’t he thrown into a prison 3 years ago? If this country is being run by fascist thugs, wouldn’t he have been executed long ago? If it’s true, why hasn’t MSNBC, CNN, CBS and ABC been shut down by now to prevent negative stories and anti-Bush Administration messages? How come Hollywood Actors haven’t fled to other countries to avoid being rounded up by the military for their obvious anti-war stance?

Bryan, you’re absolutely correct, his first paragraph is self-disproving. Olbermann is a sad, sorry, pitiful man, who can’t see his own sick delusion for what it is. Pure Hate for the other side.

DakRoland on November 6, 2007 at 8:23 AM

I can’t even watch him talk sports anymore. And to repeat what Bryan said above and many have said here before…

ATTENTION LEFTIES:

If you can go on tv and call it a fascist state without getting arrested or having your station shut down then IT ISN’T A FASCIST STATE!!!

trubble on November 6, 2007 at 8:23 AM

Beat me by seconds Dak. Great minds and all that stuff, but the point still stands.

trubble on November 6, 2007 at 8:25 AM

I’d like to say something but I’m so distraught about the writers strike I’m on bed rest.

LtE126 on November 6, 2007 at 8:25 AM

I’d like to say something but I’m so distraught about the writers strike I’m on bed rest.

LtE126 on November 6, 2007 at 8:25 AM

This should make you feel better:

Heroes of the Writers Strike

trubble on November 6, 2007 at 8:28 AM

Can’t wait to see what John Gibson will do to this little rant on his radio show.

MadisonConservative on November 6, 2007 at 8:30 AM

Hot Air gives Herr Olbermann more attention than his own viewers (six San Francisco hippies and a female mud wrestler from Phoenix.) The only other people watching his show are Hot Air observers. Best advice is to ignore him as you would an attention-seeking spoiled brat thus denying him publicity.

MaiDee on November 6, 2007 at 8:33 AM

Bryan

You’re an Oberman enabler – he’s just saying crap to get attention

Like Geraldo – without the spitting

Remember he’s a former sportscaster that never played sports now he’s a political commentator that never made a difference

EricPWJohnson on November 6, 2007 at 8:35 AM

He’s like a radical imam preaching hate (to liberals) and clearly a waste of time trying to reason with his brand of logic. He makes about as much sense as Achmadinnerjacket. He’s nonsensical, all talking points melded into an incoherent stream of garbage. 100% emotion, zero content.

Next post, please.

Bacchus on November 6, 2007 at 8:35 AM

Olbermann cannot possibly believe the crap he spews, so consequently he must be doing what he does for money.
Selling himself for money makes him a whore.

leanright on November 6, 2007 at 8:36 AM

Like in the Charlie Brown Cartoons/Comic Strip, this is waht I hear when Olbermann speaks, “Waa,waa,waaa,wa,waaa.”

MrFreeman07 on November 6, 2007 at 8:41 AM

Olbermann has officially lost the race to gain an audience before he lost his mind.

Natalie on November 6, 2007 at 8:42 AM

As Mark Levin says, ‘Olberman is hung like a thumb tack’.

But it is comforting to know that other than the media monitors on the blogs, only Keith’s mother watches his show.

pistolero on November 6, 2007 at 8:59 AM

You’re an Oberman enabler – he’s just saying crap to get attention

You know for Olbermann, who is attempting what Ann Coulter perfected getting people’s panties in a knot by saying outrageous things, he sucks at it. Considering the only people who actively watch MSNBC are “truthers” and guys trying to figure out when they’re going to be on “To Catch A Predator”.

It’s important that to notice that the man thinks President Bush is more dangerous than frigging Saddam Hussein or Ahmadinejad. Shows where his head is.

Do I think it’s important to know where this sort of ignorant rhetoric is coming from? Of course. Only in the light of being ridiculed and mocked can beliefs like this be exposed as lies and fabrications.

mjk on November 6, 2007 at 8:59 AM

I wonder if Olberman has an agent???? Where is this idiot going to get a job when MSNBC goes black?

iam7545 on November 6, 2007 at 9:00 AM

MSNBC should fire fire Keith O and replace him with the Iron Sheik

GogglesPisano on November 6, 2007 at 9:01 AM

The guy wants so bad to be Dennis Miller…if only he had wit, wisdom, and a conscience.

PatrickS on November 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM

KO is a great defender of Terrorists. AQ should hire him as their spokes person. Then we’d all be bending over to Mecca, that’s if we still have our heads. Did I forget to mention this guy’s a hack?

KCtheKat on November 6, 2007 at 9:17 AM

I could’nt make through. I can’t afford to buy breakfast twice.

ronsfi on November 6, 2007 at 9:30 AM

Olby uses too many adjectives. My english teachers in high school used to yell at me for doing the same thing.

Verbal Abuse on November 6, 2007 at 9:37 AM

Ok is there any news when the fascist criminal Bush administration will be water boarding Keith????

And are the rumors true this will be on ppv.

I would pay 39.99 just to watch that .

Mojack420 on November 6, 2007 at 9:44 AM

All wars now will be fought on two fronts, the enemy and the Dhemocrats.

Mojave Mark on November 6, 2007 at 9:45 AM

Impotent Rage Boy.

Bad Candy on November 6, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Olbermann gathers just enough facts to allow him to twist up a case against his enemies, but he doesn’t marshall enough facts to deliver any kind of reasonable picture of what’s really taking place or what he might do if he had the responsibility of deciding what ought or ought not be done.

This is what it’s all about for KO. He puts more effort into the presentation of his ‘special comments’ than he does into their content. There’s never anyone on his show doing anything other than parroting his views, never anyone trying to give a fact based assessment. The instant he takes ‘BushCo is a criminal enterprise’ as a basic assumption he allows himself to spin wildly off into nonsense land. You summed it up nicely with your invisible fascism take.

These special comments are nothing more than BDS pr0n for his messed up viewers.

BadgerHawk on November 6, 2007 at 9:52 AM

KO has the most self-indulgent show on television.

MayBee on November 6, 2007 at 10:06 AM

They’re more likely to goose step on your command, pal, not George Bush’s.

Well said.

budorob on November 6, 2007 at 10:12 AM

This moron is as dishonest…arrogant…and stupid as the clintons…don’t watch him on nbc pre-game on Sundays…the ratings fall…he’s gone…works for me…

areseaoh on November 6, 2007 at 10:16 AM

He sure must use the hell out of a thesaurus.

SillyRyno on November 6, 2007 at 10:27 AM

In a fascist state the information provided to the masses is under tight control, filled with propaganda and never allowed to be challenged by a single dissenting voice.

Hey, wait a minute …. isn’t that the Olbermann Doctrine?

Hypocrite POS.

fogw on November 6, 2007 at 10:27 AM

It is simply enough that his life and quality of life is now and will forever be miserable. In hell he shall rot.

Griz on November 6, 2007 at 10:31 AM

Why isn’t his set dark for “green week”? Maybe his ratings would double to 12 viewers if they didn’t have to see him on the screen.

Mallard T. Drake on November 6, 2007 at 10:43 AM

“all the verbal flatulence of his apologists…”

Pot, meet kettle.

I suppose the existence of Olby at MSNBC must be to balance out the audience of smart, thinking people that Meet The Press attracts. Advertisers in Obly’s time block can be assured they are reaching their target audience — the stupid and easily mislead.

notta_dhimmi on November 6, 2007 at 10:52 AM

Does Bill Gates still own msnbc? {non caps on purpose}
I know Bill Gates is a democrat and somewhat to the left, but does he ever watch this fool? I doubt it. Like Immelt, CEO of GE likely does’nt watch NBC. No wonder their {msnbc, nbc} rateings are so low and getting lower.

2theright on November 6, 2007 at 11:03 AM

I get so PO’ed when I hear the moonbats screeching “The US is fascist!!!”.I lived in a fascist country-Spain in the late 1960s-& we were taught to never talk about Franco or the government as people were actually pulled off the streets or out of their beds & never seen again.

So my first question to these morons is always “Well then,why haven’t you been arrested for saying that?”

Frantic Freddie on November 6, 2007 at 11:06 AM

What would you have done if the decision to interrogate KSM had been yours, and whatever course you took could on the one hand affect one guilty man or the lives of thousands of innocents? These choices are never as easy as a mic jockey like Olbermann would lead his followers to believe.

The ticking time bomb situation rarely if ever happens. If it were so crystal clear (which it never is) anyone would torture…but even doing that assumes torture provides a wellspring of 100% reliable information. That’s why conservatives love “24″; it appeals to their moral simplicity. Every terrorist gives up accurate, timely information immediately after they’re tortured which saves thousands of lives. This kind of situation never occurs and basing our policy off a television show is ridiculous. For those who easily become forthing at the mouth over “lack of patriotism” some sure are easy to give up our enlightened legal system at the drop of a hat.

Olbermann is Exhibit A in why it’s problematic give opinionated, ignorant, incurious swine network airtime to sway public opinion in the middle of a war. Olbermann gathers just enough facts to allow him to twist up a case against his enemies, but he doesn’t marshall enough facts to deliver any kind of reasonable picture of what’s really taking place or what he might do if he had the responsibility of deciding what ought or ought not be done.

yeah man, he doesn’t know how it is on the ground! He doesn’t paint a reasonable picture like they do on 24! Ticking time bomb situations happen allll the time.

crr6 on November 6, 2007 at 11:07 AM

GogglesPisano

Nad a BabaBoie to you.

Can you imagine? It would be one long BEEEEEEEEEEEEP As he spoke.

Mazztek on November 6, 2007 at 11:18 AM

He sure must use the hell out of a thesaurus.

SillyRyno on November 6, 2007 at 10:27 AM

Good point. Eloquence completely escapes his ken when he is forced to be spontaneous, vis-a-vis Sunday Night Football.

drjohn on November 6, 2007 at 11:23 AM

Somebody should probably tell Olbermann (D) that he really takes a credibility hit when he swears during a “political commentary”.

ericire12 on November 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Olberman might have some new company. Your buddy and mine…ROSIE!

Rightwingsparkle on November 6, 2007 at 7:41 AM

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again – Keith Olbermann (D) is the Rosie O’Donnell of MSNBC.

ericire12 on November 6, 2007 at 11:29 AM

He’s got some nerve complaining about verbal flatulence. What a factose-intolerant creep.

Jim Treacher on November 6, 2007 at 11:42 AM

The ticking time bomb situation rarely if ever happens.

As it turns out, neither does waterboarding. Hasn’t stopped a lot of rending of garments about it.

Jim Treacher on November 6, 2007 at 11:44 AM

The first part (self-disproving fascism claim) would have been my comment after reading this. And I’m tired of rewriting that comment.

I’m glad you got that for me, saving 3 paragraphs of yet another description of fascism, and what happens in real fascism to those who call it out.

And you summarized it better than I tend to.

gekkobear on November 6, 2007 at 11:45 AM

At the risk of sounding like I am; that is, a right wing nut with an Evangelical bent:

Isaiah 5:20-21 (Today’s New International Version)
20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.

21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.

IOW, Woe to KO and other moonbats

Tennman on November 6, 2007 at 11:45 AM

I love how waterboarding terrorists gets their knickers in such a twist and partial-birth abortion doesn’t. It’s very telling. I guess it isn’t torture if you stab a child in the neck while it’s being born. Has waterboarding even killed anyone?

foxforce91 on November 6, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Chill out a little Olby. Olbermann gets so serious during his “special comment”. Of course the left are very serious people. It is a shame that they are not as serious about destroying the enemy. It amazes me in a post 911 world that my(our) beliefs are so different than my(our)fellow liberals. We truly are fighting a battle within our on country on how to fight this enemy, or to fight them at all. We have to win this battle, or we will never win the war.

chief on November 6, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Pick your Poison:

1. Being waterboarded for 3 minutes.

2. Listen to Keith Olbermann rant for 30 minutes.

Suddenly a couple minutes on the waterboard doesn’t sound so bad.

Lawrence on November 6, 2007 at 12:12 PM

crr6 on November 6, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Did you take mischaracterization lessons from Olbermann? I never said that ticking time bomb scenarios happen all the time. Read the frickin post. I said that KSM is as close as we’re likely to get to one, because we knew he knew a lot but we didn’t know what he knew.

For the record, I don’t watch 24 and never have. Now run along back to ronpaulforpresident.

Bryan on November 6, 2007 at 12:22 PM

Sounds like someone effed up the old “vinegar to water” ratio in the old Olberdouche last night, eh?

MikeZero on November 6, 2007 at 12:24 PM

Frantic Freddie on November 6, 2007 at 11:06 AM

You should visit a few lefty blogs and tell them how you grew up. Then pose that questions to them. I think the answers you get could be really interesting. I would expect lots of goal post shifting, but who knows.

BadgerHawk on November 6, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Someone needed to make sure that his audience forgot that he just had to apologize to Rudy on his previous show. The Man may let KO run wild, but occasionally, he does have to squeal like a pig, lest he forget who his masters are.

He should be given credit though, for not utilizing body language as a means of news analysis.

rw on November 6, 2007 at 12:51 PM

At the risk of sounding like I am; that is, a right wing nut with an Evangelical bent:

Isaiah 5:20-21 (Today’s New International Version)
20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.

21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.

IOW, Woe to KO and other moonbats

Tennman on November 6, 2007 at 11:45 AM

Might I add:

Because though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, or thank Him, but rather became vain in their reasonings, and their heart, lacking understanding, was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools; And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and reptiles.

-Romans 1:21-23

ericire12 on November 6, 2007 at 12:55 PM

Why does anyone even have cable TV? I do not understand it. It cost several hundreds of dollars a year and is less than worthless.

MB4 on November 6, 2007 at 1:09 PM

Cable TV is not worthless, as any fan of “Monk” and/or the “Closer” will testify. Oh, don’t forget, Torchwood…”

doufree on November 6, 2007 at 1:48 PM

America can’t be that “fascist” considering how Keith Olbermann is able to go on tv twice a night and call our President a “Nazi”, the Republican Party “terrorists”, the Attorney General a “houseboy”, the Homeland Security Secretary a “clown”. All without any retribution whatsoever. Try doing any of that in a real fascist state and see what happens to you.

SoulGlo on November 6, 2007 at 4:17 PM

Rightwingsparkle on November 6, 2007 at 7:41 AM

I’m stealing this from a guy on Fox discussing Rosie and what MSNBC is expecting to get from her.

“Rosie is like the crazy homeless person who refuses to leave the library”

Bwahahahahaha!!!

csdeven on November 6, 2007 at 5:08 PM

You should visit a few lefty blogs and tell them how you grew up. Then pose that questions to them. I think the answers you get could be really interesting. I would expect lots of goal post shifting, but who knows.

BadgerHawk on November 6, 2007 at 12:31 PM

My gag reflex is too strong & I try to keep my blood pressure down these days :D

Frantic Freddie on November 6, 2007 at 7:02 PM