One, the paranoia wrapped up in the whole wiretapping debate is overblown. Two, we’re fighting this war blind, and therefore we’re screwed.

Bryan,

An acceptable level of paranoia is necessary for any intelligence gathering agency, just for the margin of security it provides. And when you say “this war”, if you mean the GWOT, we aren’t so much blind, as wearing blinders. If you mean Iraq in particular, please remember that there is no war happening in Iraq. We won that very quickly, and are the occupying force working with the nascent Iraqi government to craft a better future for themselves. That we continue to be opposed by those who want Iraq to remain a dictatorship under tyrannical rule, is not war per se.

Just saying.

RE: misinformation and psyops, wouldn’t the CIA always want heir enemies to believe that they are incompetent? So they have made an art of allowing information into the media that shows them to be incompetent. That some of it is true merely enhances the believability of the rest. They might not always have all their stuff in one sock, but they are by far the best around.

This article enlightens to show where the confusion was created, but the true underlying fact is Saddam was a murderer who sponsored terrorism and committed inhuman acts of torture against Iraqis and Kuwaitis.

Here in Europe where I’m stationed, Europeans have this air about them that they are more nuanced and intelligent than Americans. They twist fact to make Saddam out to be a victim who was only acting in the best interest of his people despite the EVIL SANCTIONS the US enforced, and he didn’t deserve to be ousted. Many actually say he NEVER killed his own people and the entire idea was manufactured by Bush to steal oil for Haliburton.

Ridiculous.

I think we ought to waterboard him to get the truth.

And then waterboard him a second time to see if he tells the same story a second time.

And then, in a 2 out of 3 confidence check, waterboard him a 3rd time. Just to make sure.

And to make sure that CBS is telling us the straight scoop, waterboard the producers, the writers, the cameramen/women, and Bob Simon, too. After all, he was captured and tortured by Saddam during the Gulf War. So his USED to it, and able to repeat the lies. So, waterboard him, waterboard him HARD!

BTW. I’m putting my waterboard up on EBay, just in case anybody wants to do their own waterboarding, too.

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As far as the theory that he moved his WMDs to Syria just before we invaded, I am sorry but I cannot see that theory as credible for the following two reasons:
One, we are to believe that he held on to his most powerful weapons, and then, right when he needs them most, when his rule and his life are on the line, he sends them out of the country instead of using them on US troops? Given all I know about Saddam, this makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Two, if he did send the weapons into Syria, why didn’t he try to bargain with them for his life after he was handed the death sentence? Think about it: He never said in the trial (or elsewhere that we know about) that he had sent them to Syria. If he had done so, and let himself be hung rather than give up that information, that would make him a martyr for Syria. Is anyone here willing to believe that Saddam was willing to be a martyr for anyone?

If anyone has credible answers to my objections, I would like to hear them.

Has it been PROOVEN that this guy lied?

And even without this, why was Saddam telling the world he had them?

- The Cat

Two, we’re fighting this war blind, and therefore we’re screwed.

Okay, Bryan, you of all people know better than to buy into all the psyops involved in this.
;)

The first rule of psyops is to make everyone in the public media believe you don’t really know anything. Thereby leading the public media into concocting all sorts of wrong-headed notions to confuse any and all who hear the news.

Rightwinged on November 6,2007 at 4:15PM.

RightWinged:Thats a bingo.

1- He gassed a Kurdish village,women and children.
( I know your aware of this)

2-And during the First Gulf War,Operation Desert Storm,
for some reason he sent most of his Airforce,his fighters
over to Iran,knowing the United States Airpower would
decimate them.

So,if he sent his planes over to his enemy,then your
absolutely correct,anything is very possible.

So it was those crafty Germans and Lying America news agencies all along,—go figure!

SARCASM

The point is, the belief that Iraq was working on WMDs and was in cahoots with terrorists didn’t start with the eeevil BushCo in 2001. It formed much of US foreign policy throughout the 1990s.

True, Kerry regularly made the case from 1990-2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074054/posts

Anyway, I still think there’s plenty of evidence to suggest Saddam did have some of these weapons and that they were moved to/through Syria.

A nice graph of the Cuts Clinton did to the CIA and military during this time would be helpful

Also would explain why our intelligence failed so badly

William Amos on November 6, 2007 at 3:30 PM

Seriously… Although don’t make it too “cutesy”…

If you say so Jackson.

1)John Kerry timeline may be in effect.

Also would explain why our intelligence failed so badly