Surprise! Hillary actually does want to give licenses to illegal aliens

posted at 7:30 am on November 1, 2007 by Bryan

So much for the inevitability of Hillary Clinton. On Tuesday night she spun herself into a hole in the ground on illegal immigration. On Wednesday she came out supporting giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens. It’s a policy that’s so sensible it has already inspired a Judicial Watch lawsuit to stop it.

After all of Hillary’s back and forth, she looks wishy-washy, dependent on focus-grouping before clearly stating her positions, and all while staking out ground on the wrong side of a serious issue.

A day after she appeared to struggle to give her views on the subject, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered support today for Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s effort to award New York driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, as her campaign sought to contain potentially damaging fallout from what her own supporters saw as a tense and listless debate performance.

Mrs. Clinton’s statement affirming her support of Mr. Spitzer in his office came less than a day after she offered a muddled and hesitant position on the bill, prompting a round of denunciations by her opponents. It signaled the extent to which her advisers viewed that moment as the biggest misstep she made in the debate, and one with long-term potential to undermine her candidacy.

“Senator Clinton supports governors like Governor Spitzer who believe they need such a measure to deal with the crisis caused by this administration’s failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform,’” her campaign said.

Unbelievable. Shamnesty failed because it’s bad policy, but it’s bad policy that Clinton supported and still supports. How could any honest person turn all of that around into “this administration’s failure” without owning some part of that failure? No honest person could.

She’s trying to make up for her predicament by playing the poor, put-upon girl card — “The boys are being mean to me!” The Clinton campaign turned out this re-cut of the debate to make that point.

That video reeks of a desperation that someone with a 33-point lead ought not feel. It also unintentionally makes another point, which even the NY Times commenters are picking up on: Hillary keeps trying to position herself as a strong woman who’s ready for the fight, but the first time a fight comes her way she whiffs, getting flummoxed on a yes or no question, then crying about all of the attacks. They are attacking and from all sides. A truly tough person wouldn’t whine about it.

In adopting the radical Spitzer position on licenses for illegals after stumbling around both sides of it, Clinton is also reinforcing the image of herself as being overly cautious, unprincipled and ultimately owned by various liberal special interest groups. Not good. That she’s now taking a clearly unpopular and unwise position on an issue that’s as clear as giving valid drivers licenses to illegal aliens also won’t help her. This is not an issue that anyone needs to be a political junkie to get: You’re either for it or you’re not, and most Americans aren’t. She should have added Gray Davis to whatever focus group she used to arrive at her current position. He might have been able to warn her from the political grave.

To the extent that Hillary has given ammunition to whoever she’s up against in the general election next year, her opponent will need all the help he can get. The latest Pew poll has Republicans staring at the abyss.

One year before voters go to the polls to select the next president, the Republican Party is as weak as it has been in a generation, a detailed new poll suggests.

In a hypothetical match-up between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, bloc after bloc of traditionally Republican voters break for Clinton:

She wins the South.

She polls evenly with voters who attend church at least once a week.

She splits families with a household income above $100,000.

She loses rural voters and men — but only by a narrow margin.

All are constituencies Republicans have dominated for decades; George W. Bush won each by double-digit margins.

Caveats abound: We’re a year out, polls shift all the time, and there’s almost no way she’s taking the South. I say “almost” only because a Giuliani candidacy might put the South in play even while putting some blue states in play for the GOP, a possibility that ought to have party sages pulling their chins in deep thought since he’s the front-runner. Any other GOP candidate can just about count on the South, however weak he might be elsewhere. Hillary is disliked across the South like few people in US history. Looking at the current polls, though, the GOP ticket that makes the most sense from a purely electoral point of view may be Thompson-Giuliani. If Thompson can get it in gear and start inspiring, anyway. But even that ticket carries a few potential time bombs for the Republicans. All of the potential GOP tickets come packed with one time bomb or another.

Hillary’s support for granting licenses to illegals shores up her left flank a bit for now, but at the cost of letting anyone including Giuliani get to her right on that issue and on security as a broader issue. Let’s hope the Republicans figure out a way to capitalize on Hillary’s blunders.


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Unfortunately, the Republican candidate and running mate probably won’t figure out a way to capitalize on the big H’s blunders or, if they do, the Clinton machine will more than likely destroy them.

LawCon on November 1, 2007 at 7:48 AM

Is anyone really surprised by Hillary’s”take”on this issue?She is the poster girl for the Left’s”I Want It Both Ways”mindset.Nothing new here…

Regney on November 1, 2007 at 7:48 AM

She’s a quagmire, she should pull out redeploy to Okinawa

mrfixit on November 1, 2007 at 7:52 AM

A: Why would anyone be surprised that she would support this idea?
a1: the only surprise is that she would admit it where ‘regular’ people might hear it.

B: It won’t make any statistically significant difference. Hillary could come out for amnesty for Osama bin Laden, legalizing child rape and complete revocation of the Constitution and she wouldn’t lose 10 percent of the people who support her.

LegendHasIt on November 1, 2007 at 7:58 AM

Hillaria! Amnestia!
Hillaria! Amnestia!

James on November 1, 2007 at 8:05 AM

I just don’t believe this pole. Sorry. There is corruption everywhere and I find it suspicious this pole is released the day after she bombs in a debate. If, if,,, I say if she does actually win the White House and the Dems keep control of congress, I predict the end of the Democrat party. They will not be able to help themselves. They will set about on an agenda of complete change of our society that will shake this nation at it’s very core. Regardless of how liberal things may be now, we are not Europe! This is not Argentina or Venezuela! This is still America! We are still Americans! There is a different spirit in this country! It is one thing to cook the frog slowly, it is quite another to ask him to sit while a fire is built in front of him! They will not be able to keep themselves from attacking our liberties, children and property as rabid dogs would attack a helpless newborn! Discretion and caution will not be words tolerated in Clinton cabinet meetings! This woman is unstable and I am afraid that the country will suffer horribly at her hands even though the Democrat party will ultimately fail and be destroyed as a party for years to come. I don’t even think Bill Clinton will be completely safe from her.

JellyToast on November 1, 2007 at 8:16 AM

What strikes me is that each and every one of the other candidates refers to her as “Senator Clinton” as we see from this puff piece, yet when she got busted by Senator Dodd during the course of the debate, she angrily referred to him simply as “Chris”, rather than addressing him formally as is appropriate. The woman has absolutely no respect for anything, including her fellow senators.

BigAnge on November 1, 2007 at 8:18 AM

She splits families with a household income above $100,000.

Stunning. I guess there are a lot of cases of affluenza out there.

reaganaut on November 1, 2007 at 8:19 AM

Illegal Immigration is a winning issue for Republicans next year if they can devise a way to avoid responsibility for all the illegal immigration that occurred during the last six years when they controlled the White House and Congress. And their attempts to give amnesty these past couple of years.

O/T – I noticed that the 2007 Weblog Awards finalists are in. Hot Air is in an Arts and Letters genre; Best Video Blog. Bryan, is that a good thing? I would have said Best Blog category, or Best Political Coverage, or Best Conservative Blog. Is Best Video Blog where you want to be?

jaime on November 1, 2007 at 8:21 AM

Unfortunately, Thompson-Guiliani suffers from the fact Thompson’s a corrupt lazy-ass with no platform who will not be able to defend himself from the Hillary smear machine while Guiliani rakes back a full row of skeletons just to put his suit on in the morning.

Fact: Southern drawl plays well in the South.

Also Fact: You can’t win the Presidency with just the South.

BKennedy on November 1, 2007 at 8:21 AM

Where driver’s licenses are used for voter registration, Hil and Spitzer would give them to illegal aliens.

Reminds me, who proposed giving felons the vote? Who wants to abolish the Electoral College?

Hil’s out to change this country in ways that aren’t susceptible of being rolled back. Her mission is to bury conservatism not just for 4-8 years, but once and for all.

petefrt on November 1, 2007 at 8:23 AM

So, no healthcare for them, but licenses so they can drive, vote, fly, etc.

What a way to stand up for American justice.

madmonkphotog on November 1, 2007 at 8:29 AM

Illegal Immigration is a winning issue for Republicans next year if they can devise a way to avoid responsibility for all the illegal immigration

We can hope. They just got a wonderful soundbite from Harry Reid where he blamed the failure of amnesty on the Republicans.

The biggest problem with the GOP now is that they are inept at getting their message out. Well aside the fact that they are awful at playing politics.

Even without all the major problems the US is dealing with, there are 3 or 4 Supreme Court Justices at stake here…

reaganaut on November 1, 2007 at 8:29 AM

No honest person could.
And there’s the rub.

Hillary’s as honest as the day is wide.

Corky on November 1, 2007 at 8:30 AM

Who wants to tell her campaign that the administration doesn’t pass legislation, and that Congress, which she ought to be familiar with, does?

Pablo on November 1, 2007 at 8:31 AM

No honest person could.

Need. More. Coffee.

Again – Hillary’s as honest as the day is wide.

Corky on November 1, 2007 at 8:31 AM

Illegals get licenses in NC (and probably in your state, too), so this shouldn’t surprise anyone. That’s why parts of Raleigh look like a 3rd world country. Mrs. Clinton should pick our do-nothing, nuanced-on-positions governor, Mr. Easley, as her running mate. They are just alike in a lot of ways.

SouthernGent on November 1, 2007 at 8:31 AM

There’s a method to this madness.

flipflop on November 1, 2007 at 8:34 AM

I am sure she is being misread. What she really wants is that they can drive legally back to the border. See, she has a motive. LOL,

So, lets add it up,
1. Jump the border
1. Tax evasion
3. Social Security Fraud
4. Failure to register with Selective Service
5. Want and get free medical care
6. Want and get free education or in-state tuition rates
7. Vote Fraud

Looks like they are solid democraps.

BobK on November 1, 2007 at 8:35 AM

SouthernGent,
Wow, so NC looks like Florida. What are we going to do folks? We are loosing our Country slowly but surely and no one in our Government cares.

Shelly on November 1, 2007 at 8:36 AM

Sorry, but Rudy will be the nominee. I knew he’d struggle down here, and I think Hillary will get out the black vote more than Kerry. He needs to sweep the South and I don’t see it happening at this point, but yeah there is a long way to go.

RW Wacko on November 1, 2007 at 8:38 AM

I dunno if this is happening anywhere else, but for the second time in a month, thieves have broken into DMV offices around Cleveland and stolen drivers’ license printers.

The spin in the local news is the fear of identity theft (the machines contained info on legitimate drivers), but that sure is a lot of trouble to get personal info.

I know it’s illegal to steal the machine, but it’s OK if I print up a bunch of fake licenses for illegals, right?

saint kansas on November 1, 2007 at 8:50 AM

Can’t wait for the next debate. This has to come up. Perhaps all the candidates will be forced to take a stand on shamnesty.

Valiant on November 1, 2007 at 8:52 AM

Who wants to tell her campaign that the administration doesn’t pass legislation, and that Congress, which she ought to be familiar with, does?

Good point. Speaking of separation of powers, I was gritting my teeth when she decided to pull out the old “the Supreme Court handed Bush the presidency” canard. Gotta throw the moonbats a bone every now and then.

saint kansas on November 1, 2007 at 8:53 AM

Check back on Hillary’s opinion on this issue when the primaries are over. It may become a bit more nuanced before her first debate with Rudy.

RW Wacko on November 1, 2007 at 8:54 AM

Regardless of how liberal things may be now, we are not Europe! This is not Argentina or Venezuela! This is still America! We are still Americans!
JellyToast on November 1, 2007 at 8:16 AM

I’m going to stick with my prediction.
Hillary will be president. There will be a major terrorist attack and with the backing of the dem controlled congress she will declare martial law and suspend the constitution. After a few years she will dissolve congress and declare herself Queen/Emperor. We are witness to the dawn of the Clinton Empire. Basically Lucus has laid out the entire plan for her to follow.

jmarcure on November 1, 2007 at 8:57 AM

Pew? Please…

Jaibones on November 1, 2007 at 9:01 AM

Blaming Bush for the shamnesty is classic Clinton triangulation. They keep going back to that well and one of these days they are going to find a dry hole.

Hillary is trying to do two contrary things at the same time. She is trying to protect her lead by dancing around just about everything to all sides inside and outside any issue presented to essentially play a prevent defense and hopefully give no chinks in the armor for the dwarfs or any one else to shoot at, but then at the same time she tries to use focus tested code words that are supposed to inspire in the masses that she said something they wanted to hear, but it is only the false perception of the code word reaction and on review she said nothing of substance at all.

CommentGuy on November 1, 2007 at 9:01 AM

Unbelievable. Shamnesty failed because it’s bad policy, but it’s bad policy that Clinton supported and still supports. How could any honest person turn all of that around into “this administration’s failure” without owning some part of that failure? No honest person could.

Who said anything about honest people? We’re talking about Democrats here, Bryan.

BTW, beyond the “I’m a tough leader… but also a poor woman who cant’ take criticism”, did anyone else catch the ice queen’s look of death when she was being attacked? It wasn’t anything that would scare UBL, but it was enough to let these Dems know that they’re crossing a line that the Clinton machine had long ago warned them not to. Am I the only one who thinks the “real” Hillary is very much like Meryl Streep’s character in The Manchurian Candidate?

RightWinged on November 1, 2007 at 9:03 AM

With the massive rejection in the polls of the latest Dream Act attempt, it is at least difficult to believe that the almost opposite position exists as claimed by supports for the comprehensive amnesty position.

Someone is clearly cooking the books somewhere.

CommentGuy on November 1, 2007 at 9:08 AM

QUICK, MAINSTREAM MEDIA, BURY THIS!

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/campaign-call-reveals-clinton-debate-concern-2007-11-01.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) top advisers, doing damage control after the candidate’s debate performance Tuesday, told supporters on a conference call Wednesday that the campaign needed more money to fight back.

One caller from Oklahoma City said that “the questions … were designed to incite a brawl,” and that Russert’s and Brian Williams’s moderating was “an abdication of journalistic responsibility.”

Another said Russert “should be shot,” before quickly adding that she shouldn’t say that on a conference call.

Remember media, The Right, are to be portrayed as the uncivil ones. We can’t let example 4,897,987,235 of unbelievable hate get out!

BONUS: Shouldn’t Russert be a hero to the left? I know, I know, the left has gone soooo far left, they think even leftist reporters are righties…. but Russert singlehandedly took down Scooter Libby (even though the entire investigation was bogus, and Russert had the same memory issues that got Libby convicted).

But seriously, the left is up in arms about Russert, but he should be their biggest hero. He was the driving force behind them being able to get some sort of conviction out of that whole sham investigation, which dragged on for years and portrayed the White House as “scandal” plagued. That sort of political gain for Dems was invaluable, and now they want him shot? WTF!? What do they want?

RightWinged on November 1, 2007 at 9:09 AM

According to the Politico article, Pew polled 2,007 people; twice the normal sample size. Is our societal mind set and attitudes, so cast in stone, that the opinions of 2,007 strangers, are a reflection of the entire nation?

captivated_dem on November 1, 2007 at 9:19 AM

Go for it, Hill. Take their money, Give them licenses! Great Plan!

JimK on November 1, 2007 at 9:21 AM

Am I the only one who thinks the “real” Hillary is very much like Meryl Streep’s character in The Manchurian Candidate?

RightWinged on November 1, 2007 at 9:03 AM

Heh; now that you mention it…no, you’re not the only one.

RW Wacko on November 1, 2007 at 9:26 AM

It takes a village ghetto. Here is a bit of Shillary’s record while in the role of First Lady at the White House.(ahem)The First Lady does not recieve a salary and is an unelected position, but you would think a person who had aspirations to make a run at the White House would jump at the chance to shine while in the national spotlight. Jackie Kennedy is rolling in her grave! Willy is denying access to most of the recorded information of the time HC spent in the White House, and Tim Russert is right to pull the sheets on the man behind the curtian. Russert is to be credited for his nonparisan tenacity. His questioning was very relavant and enlightening! I would like to see Russert moderate a Republican debate.

sonnyspats1 on November 1, 2007 at 9:56 AM

Thanks, Hill. You’re going to have a tough mathematical problem now, what with 70% or so of the American people opposed to giving nice presents to illegal aliens.

Jaibones on November 1, 2007 at 10:06 AM

Didn’t Hillary agree with Bush on the last Shamnesty deal? Now she turns around and blames him for it’s defeat because we the American people are smarter than that? Boy she has a “Pair”…

sabbott on November 1, 2007 at 10:45 AM

the GOP ticket that makes the most sense from a purely electoral point of view may be Thompson-Giuliani.

So now you’ve drank the “What’s a dollar?” kool-aid? Do you really think that people will vote for Fred when they find out he gave legal advice to the attorney that was representing terrorists and has a long history of lobbying for scum bags? Compared to Fred, Hillary looks like a saint.

csdeven on November 1, 2007 at 11:03 AM

HELLO? ‘The South’ isn’t “The South” anymore! People fixated on what their parents knew and taught them as political truth
need to open their eyes. There are no geographical boundaries as to which areas are “blue” or “red” anymore; the Internet and cable/satellite news sources have so homogenized our culture that it is no longer possible to rely on what “The South” will do, whether or not “they” would elect a woman, or a Catholic, or whatever.
Future elections will show an even more pronounced departure from the ‘old’ geographical political truths. Our kids will create their own.

Doug on November 1, 2007 at 11:12 AM

Anything to get voters to think she is their friend. Politics to politicians is nothing more than a continuation of high school popularity contests. Whereby those who feel anointed must say anything to remain popular. It has nothing to do with actually having an idea, that will benefit the governed and executing it.

Politics to these people is nothing more than a sense of the those in Hollywierd doing what ever it takes for those around them to recognize ‘ME’ and nobody else.

MSGTAS on November 1, 2007 at 11:16 AM

Debating the guy who wasn’t even at the debate and in fact isn’t even running

From the NYT debate transcript H/T Flopping Aces

 

 

“I have stood against George Bush and his failed policies. ”
“I have been standing against the Republicans, George Bush and Dick Cheney.”
“the irresponsible spending policies of George Bush and the Republican Congress. ”
George Bush had no authority to take any military action in Iran.”
“which is we’ve got to do everything we can to prevent George Bush and the Republicans from doing something on their own to take offensive military action against Iran. ”
“we reject and do not believe George Bush has any authority to do anything else.”
“I think that what we’re trying to do here is put pressure on the Bush administration. Joe’s absolutely right — George Bush can do all of this without anybody. You know, that’s the great tragedy, and that’s why we’ve got to rein him in.”
“Everybody agrees up here that President Bush has made a total mess out of the situation with Iran.”
“it is abundantly clear that President Bush does not intend to end the war while he is still president.”
“We need a lot of Americans trying to fan out across the world following President Bush because he’s going to leave so many problems.”
“160,000 troops that George Bush has there [in Iraq] today.”
“We’ve got to turn the page on George Bush and Dick Cheney.”
“[T]he Supreme Court handed the presidency to George Bush.”
“I put fiscal responsibility first, because we have to change the Bush tax cuts, which I am committed to doing.”
George Bush understood that, the Republicans understood that. They wanted to decimate that balanced budget and a surplus because they knew that that would give them a free hand to try to privatize Social Security.”
“[A] president who actually believed in Social Security, which George Bush does not.”
“You know, my view is we go toward fiscal responsibility, which is hard. It’s not going to be easy inheriting what we’re going to be inheriting from Bush and the Republicans.”
“we might even have to look at the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which the Bush administration has been filling up beyond any expectation of need.”
“We have the average American family losing $1,000 in income, and George Bush and his cronies can’t figure out how they can give even more tax cuts to the wealthiest of Americans.”
“I said that I’m in favor of doing something about the ATM [editor: Alternative Minimum Tax, or ATM machine for government free spending]. How we do it and how we put the package together, everybody knows, is extremely complicated. It’s not going to happen while George Bush is president.”
“We have failed, and George Bush has failed.” [on Immigration]
“It’s just outrageous that under President Bush, the National Institutes of Health has been basically decreased in funding.”

President Bush’s name came up in the debate 40 times! More than half of those mentions were by Hillary, sometimes twice in the same answer.

CommentGuy on November 1, 2007 at 11:19 AM

She already stated her position for drivers licenses for illegals during the debate. She blamed president Bush for failing to pass comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty), which she voted for.

Senator Hillary is already known for being a big lefty. This should surprise no one.

Weebork on November 1, 2007 at 11:39 AM

Comment Guy,

I swear, the Democrats use certain words because they resonate with their electorate. “Bush”, “Failed”, “Haliburton”, “diplomacy” are but a few of these words. I think there should be a bell that’s chimed every time one of these words is spoken during the debate.

You are right to point out the Democrats are running against president Bush who isn’t up for reelection. The candidates are capitalizing on the BDS their constituents are afflicted with.

Weebork on November 1, 2007 at 11:43 AM

Compared to Fred, Hillary looks like a saint.

csdeven on November 1, 2007 at 11:03 AM

LOL! And that comment pretty much sums up csdeven’s lack of honesty. Pathetic.

Gregor on November 1, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Gregor on November 1, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Trying to hijack another thread because of your csdeven derangement syndrome I see. Well, that’s to expected from groupies who are so vacuous in reasoning that the only thing they are loyal to is the voices in their heads. You lose again fool.

The facts are the facts. “What’s a dollar?” gave advice to terrorists and lobbied for scum. He was a man whore and bragged about it. Because conservatives are supposed to take the moral high road, and Fred refused to do so, that makes him a traitor to the faith, so to speak. We expect Hillary to lie and cheat but not from a conservative.

Fred is scum and is the least qualified or electable candidate on either side.

Deal with that if you can. But we all know you cannot/will not.

csdeven on November 1, 2007 at 12:02 PM

Looking at the current polls, though, the GOP ticket that makes the most sense from a purely electoral point of view may be Thompson-Giuliani.

That is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on hot air. To think that Freddie would be the front end of any ticket is utter gobsmocking nonsense. Then to put that poser at the top of the ticket. What are you smoking? He is a lobbyist, terrorist lawyer, tort attorney that has never accomplished anything of note.

Even as lawyers these two are like tweedle dee, and freakin’ Einstein, and you put tweedle at the top of the ticket!!! While Rudy was shaking the foundations of Wall Street corruption and breaking the backs of the five mafia families, Freddie was chasing Boss Hogg and other toothless banjo playing moonshiners for doing nothing more than running a still!!!

Fred is a joke and so are you for thinking that Rudy would ever consider playing second fiddle to a terrorist enabling lobbyist.

tommylotto on November 1, 2007 at 12:19 PM

There are no geographical boundaries as to which areas are “blue” or “red” anymore; the Internet and cable/satellite news sources have so homogenized our culture that it is no longer possible to rely on what “The South” will do, whether or not “they” would elect a woman, or a Catholic, or whatever.
Future elections will show an even more pronounced departure from the ‘old’ geographical political truths. Our kids will create their own.

Doug on November 1, 2007 at 11:12 AM

You couldn’t be more wrong.
Hell, northern california (excluding San Fran) is a different planet compared to southern california, politically speaking.

omnipotent on November 1, 2007 at 12:33 PM

While Rudy was shaking the foundations of Wall Street corruption and breaking the backs of the five mafia families down gun manufactures, Freddie was chasing Boss Hogg and other toothless banjo playing moonshiners for doing nothing more than running a still!!!

Fred is a joke and so are you for thinking that Rudy would ever consider playing second fiddle to a terrorist enabling lobbyist. getting laid and starting a new family.
tommylotto on November 1, 2007 at 12:19 PM

All fixed for you tommyBoy!

omnipotent on November 1, 2007 at 12:36 PM

You couldn’t be more wrong.
Hell, northern california (excluding San Fran) is a different planet compared to southern california, politically speaking.

omnipotent on November 1, 2007 at 12:33 PM

I agree. The boundaries are blurring, slowly, but THE SOUTH is still the south, and it is much different than the rest of the country. Will change with continued migration TO the south, but for now it is its own unique area in my opinion, with its own “tastes” politically.

RW Wacko on November 1, 2007 at 12:41 PM