Video: Hillary Clinton flip flops around Eliot Spitzer’s licenses-for-illegals plan Updates and additions

posted at 11:34 pm on October 30, 2007 by Bryan

Let’s call this Exhibit A in the case against Hillary Clinton for president. In the following clip we see her radicalism, her shrillness, her inability to finesse a tough question, and her condescension to her opponents. Tim Russert asks if she still thinks that NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s plan to provide drivers licenses for the state’s illegal aliens “makes a lot of sense.” She says yes, then no, then dodges a couple of bullets from Chris Dodd, who came off sounding quite reasonable on the question, blames Bush and comes off sounding like a thin-skinned harpy.

The proposal to grant drivers licenses to illegal aliens is a radical one. Incredibly, only Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson and Barack Obama raised their hands when Russert asks whether illegal aliens should not be able to get drivers licenses. And Obama and Richardson were pretty noodlewristed about raising their hands. The vast majority of the New York voters oppose it, and even 55% of Democrats across the country oppose extending benefits to illegal aliens, but the majority of Democrat candidates for president are fine with it. They’re not only out of step with the American people; they’re out of step with their own party, and in one of their stronghold states.

And Hillary Clinton is leading the way.

Beyond that, Americans really ought to ask ourselves: Do we want four and possibly eight years of that voice on TV every single night, braying from the bully pulpit and weighing in on the issues of the day?

Update: Fishwrap quotes this post alongside Rush Limbaugh. Well, that’s just an honor.

Update: Over at Ace of Spades, Jack M. calls this clip “the most important two minutes of the debate.” I think that’s right. Hillary put herself on the losing side of a major issue here, and then showed no skill at all in trying to extricate herself from her unpopular and unwise position. This’ll hurt her. As Jack adds:

Which makes me smile.

More: Suitably Flip is suitably amused.

Russert went on to press her about whether she does or does not support the plan to issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, something she’s explicitly supported in recent days in New Hampshire. Ever resolute, she went on to firmly declare that she both does and does not support such a plan, and furthermore, that she both did and did not ever say such a thing in New Hampshire.

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Will this turn in to her “I voted for it before I voted against it” moment? MSM Says……….. NO!… but it should.

RightWinged on October 31, 2007 at 11:45 AM

Darn, I missed the debate. Isn’t it great to see Hillary try to pander both sides even among the other Democrat candidates.


“Everybody in politics lies, but [the Clintons] do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”

David Geffen – Former Clinton supporter and Hollywood mogul

mark24609 on October 31, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Hillary: “I’m not going to answer that gotcha question.”

fogw on October 31, 2007 at 11:29 AM

And if she can get away this

“When asked if she thought Israel would have the right to launch an attack against Iran if Israel believed that they were being threatened by a nuclear weapon from Iran, Senator Clinton refused to answer. She said that it would be irresponsible to deal in a hypothetical. “

She can get away without saying anything

sweeper on October 31, 2007 at 12:11 PM

Oh, puh-leez, this is so non-newsy. Hillary has spent her entire marriage to Willie Jeff triangulating and playing both sides of every issue she’s had a hand in (and more issues, at that, than she’d ever admit to). That she flip-flopped so frequently right in the middle of answering one question, well, that was a faux pas. But make no mistake, this is emblematic of what she does.

She says yes, then no, then dodges a couple of bullets from Chris Dodd, who came off sounding quite reasonable on the question, blames Bush and comes off sounding like a thin-skinned harpy.

Bryan, are you implying that Hil isn’t a thin-skinned harpy? I’ll scrupulously avoid even the implication of blue language, but I think “thin-skinned harpy” is a very kind way to describe her.

gryphon202 on October 31, 2007 at 12:26 PM

“I sure hope she ends up in some venue, jet-lagged with a bad cold, and some no-name reporter asks her a tough question, and snaps back with her personality from Dereliction of Duty and Hell To Pay, and says something like “How dare you! Do you think you’re going to have a job tomorrow!?!…””

See the look on her face? EEEEooowwwww!!!!! How’d you like to be married to that?

LtE126 on October 31, 2007 at 12:51 PM

This kind of duplicity is par for her. At some point last nite she said that she had no idea that the pre-war vote would authorize Bush to invade Iraq. But the name of the resolutions was “A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq”.

meandchi on October 31, 2007 at 1:08 PM

I still think there needs to be a “BING!” bell noise when certain words are said in the debates. They are words that are supposed to be big words among voters. Want to boost your popularity among voters? Then say words like “Bush”, “corruption”, “Haliburton”, “failure”…

I think Laura Ingram has something like this on her show but I think its in regards to a statement rather than a certain word.


Weebork on October 31, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Bucket alert. The makeup is thick and so is the tone of Her utterances…She coulda been performing Shakespeare or a Greek tragedy as she went on and on about how, “We have failed, George Bush has failed”. The tragic part of this is that they, (the ruling elite), have failed to get the point: our sovereignty is not for sale and therefore must not be given away for free. Actually the bigger tragedy–for them– is: they work for US and we can vote or recall their sorry butts out of office.
Another Clinton administration is a nightmare of cataclysmic proportions; let’s do all we can to make sure it doesn’t happen.

Christine on October 31, 2007 at 1:57 PM

The only thing worse than having another Clinton administration is if another Bush adminsitration followed it.

And Weebork, the left doesn’t hate Haliburton anymore. Soros bought most of it and moved it to the UAE, didn’t you get the memo.

Buzzy on October 31, 2007 at 2:13 PM

The question wasn’t about comprehensive (there’s that word again) immigration reform, it was whether she supported Spitzer’s plan or not. Russert asked her the same question three times and she still couldn’t give a simple answer, other than to say she understood Spitzer’s problem. And of course, she couldn’t pass up the opportunity to take a shot at Bush for failing to deal with the problem.
Here’s a thought: quit trying to snow the American people with shamnesty bills and secure the borders first, then we’ll think about supporting future immigration reform bills.

RMCS_USN on October 31, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Ain’t she sumpin…even that scum bubba won’t touch her.

oldernslower on October 31, 2007 at 2:56 PM

I can only imagine the Clinton damage control team this mornin’…mmmmm…. can’t wait to see what they’ll do next….

To come out with a real plan is to admit to flip flopping earlier.. and, cause her fringe supporters on either side to abandon ship…. and with her high negatives she cannot afford to lose any supporters.

To open the archives is to expose a can of worms…. to keep them closed is to admit the obvious…. she has something to hide…..


Now, this is where it’s gets real interesting!

For the first time in the Clinton machine history she sees the real possibility of losing…. not just the general election… but the primary as well!

What have I told all of you Hotair commentators who believe Clinton ’08 is inevitable, (yeah and that includes you “Big A”)?

Needless to say I’m crowing this morning….

Exit lesson: NEVER underestimate the politicians ability to screw up, and, the voters’ ability to make sense of it all.


Mcguyver on October 31, 2007 at 3:36 PM

So was that a yes or a no? I never quite figured it out.

morganfrost on October 31, 2007 at 8:39 AM

I think it was a yo

Mojack420 on October 31, 2007 at 4:27 PM

So was that a yes or a no? I never quite figured it out.

morganfrost on October 31, 2007 at 8:39 AM

She said it was Republicans’s fault that drivers are illegal in the first place. So she while she wants them to have drivers’ licenses, she does not approve of them being any different than any one elses.

pedestrian on October 31, 2007 at 4:53 PM

Had to check out Chris Mathews (who I never watch) for reaction to this debate. Him and his panel of three are all pounding her on this. I figured he would be more sympathetic and easy going, but not so.

sunny on October 31, 2007 at 5:16 PM

Well I got my answer….. for now anyway…..

A day after she appeared to struggle to give her views on the subject, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered support today for Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s effort to award New York driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, as her campaign sought to contain potentially damaging fallout from a what her own supporters saw as a tense and listless debate performance.

Mcguyver on October 31, 2007 at 5:58 PM

I heard her on the news today already coming out firmly against storing nuclear waste somewhere! I predict she will be making more statements in the near future that are “firmly against” or “firmly in support of” meaningless or near meaningless things. She’s got to get out there and repair the damage and show “the people” she’s solid! LOL

JellyToast on October 31, 2007 at 6:11 PM

Huffington Post changing their tune:

“It’s BushRussert’s fault!”

Tim – see you at the woodshed for a spanking.

fred5678 on October 31, 2007 at 6:54 PM


Flips, flops
Flips, flops
Flippy, flippy,
Flippy, flip flops
She don’t stop…

Floppin’… flippin’
An Flippin’… floppin’
There’s no stoppin’ da poppin’
She don’t stop,
No, she don’t stop…

eanax on October 31, 2007 at 7:15 PM

Thanks fred5678 for the link

Taylor Marsh is as amazingly two-faced as anyone can get:

The debate last night was something else. I’ve never been prouder to be a Democrat.

I’m against illegal immigrants getting licenses as was proposed by Spitzer (too cumbersome, for one), but I fully understand and appreciate Spitzer had to do something because Congress is not. However, that’s no reason to throw Spitzer under a bus. Clinton is getting hammered today, which I predicated, especially on the drivers license question moment, which came at the end of a withering assault from The Boys. But make no mistake about it she stood up and fought back for Spitzer.

Totally amazing!

She says,“I’m not for illegal immigrants getting licenses”
….but still supports Clinton’s non-answer..




Mcguyver on October 31, 2007 at 7:25 PM

she says ” he (NYgov.) is just acting out of desperation because somthing needs to be done…” sounds like a motto on the job site for when the boss’ come around, “better look busy doin’ something, even if its wrong.” assuming you can go back and fix it later.

I say most men on site dont think like that. It does sound that line of thinking is ok with her. that is dangerous, among her many dangerous ideals.

palefaced on October 31, 2007 at 7:33 PM

fred5678 on October 31, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Taylor Marsh from huffpo is a foolish cow. She accuses Russert of sexism……

“Tim Russert’s play last night was not only nakedly sexist, but showed his immaturity and lack of respect for any woman standing up to be commander-in-chief.”

What?! He said nothing about her gender. He grilled her exactly like he has grilled every other candidate that has shown up on his show. This idiot Marsh can’t even comprehend that it is entirely possible that Russert was trying to do his job as the moderator. Which is to get straight answers from the candidates.

This is typical of feminist cows like Marsh. She wants to be equal with men, but wants special consideration for Hillary because she is a “woman standing up to be commander-in-chief.”

Liberalism is a psychological disorder. And it appears that Taylor Marsh has it in spades.

csdeven on October 31, 2007 at 7:53 PM

Hillary has now received my highest honor! Only one Leftist can win the Marxust Moron of the Month and finally Hillary has won it!

Gatordoug on October 31, 2007 at 10:14 PM

OOPS! Sorry, that is the Marxist Moron Award. That will teach me not to type and watch basketball.

Gatordoug on October 31, 2007 at 10:17 PM

csdeven on October 31, 2007 at 7:53 PM

Very well stated. I hate women who claim to want equality and when they get it, whine and complain that they are treated differently. Taylor Marsh is a disgrace to women everywhere. In fact, she reminds me of Hillery, she CLAIMS to be for equality, then CLAIMS to be for special interests for women! Just like Hillary claims to be for these licenses, then claims to be against them. Think about it! Yes, Mr/Ms Deven, liberalism is a psychological disorder!

Neocon Peg on November 1, 2007 at 12:21 AM

In my humble opinion, the only thing that could pivit this country to a Republican presidency rests on that person’s stance on illegal immigration. With 72% of the populace in favor of some type of enforcement of our borders and not in favor of any sort of amnesty, I see this as the only shot Republicans have at the presidency. Sorry, but GWB has screwed the party back to the ’40’s. If we can put forth a candidate who is strong on border control and immigration, we have a chance to win the Whitehouse. If Rudy wins the primaries, for example, we have got to push his campaign toward those goals, otherwise, we will see Hillary in the Whitehouse. Illegal immigration, overcrowding of our schools, hospitals, etc. by illegals, are at the forefront of American citizens. They want this stopped, to the tune of 72%. That is a huge percentage. The party that satisfies that 72% wins the Whitehouse, IMO.

Neocon Peg on November 1, 2007 at 12:30 AM

I just hope that she cruises to a primary victory so that Thompson can CRUSH her in the general. What a kook!

Mojave Mark on November 1, 2007 at 1:10 AM

I wonder if questions are dumbed down for Democrat candidates and their viewers.

Connie on November 1, 2007 at 1:39 AM

Neocon Peg on November 1, 2007 at 12:21 AM

Dang skippy!

Mr. CS Deven

csdeven on November 1, 2007 at 2:08 AM