*thud*

Ochlan on October 31, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Strange how you were able to type *thud* and hit after the “Stasi” got to you. I guess you got lucky and your forehead hit one of the keys.

Grow up, Little One.

Heck the kid is even hitting the morning talk shows this morning. I saw last night he was setup for the Today show this morning.

I don’t watch tv so I can’t confirm.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 10:59 PM

America is in safe hands

*thud*

You need to go back and review the video.

The student was at the microphone and started his questioning and then diverged into a speech. He was told he was in violation and even the staff host of the sponsoring group tapped him on the shoulder and told him his conduct was not acceptable and to leave per the code.

The student stepped back from the mic and then Kerry said he wanted to answer the question and was not able to because the student went back for the second time to the microphone and started to make another speech and not even let Kerry fully respond. He was given a second chance out of respect for the guest and blew it then the rest transpired.

From all that occurred he came to the assembly with full intent to disrupt the proceeding and create a staged event.

He brought his own video camera and demanded the person he had cut in front of film his “performance”. His dancing around the aisle to evade the police was like a child playing catch me if you can simply to add to his performance. His screams and protestations were simply for effect to add to the situation he wished to create. He even at times stood still to allow the police to again regain contact and then broke it to continue the performance.

The tase portion of the incident was all stagework by him.

He initially broke free at the end of the aisle and nearly exited the room in his evasion of the police. He then came back to approach the police to regain contact and further continue his little passion play.

He was repeatedly warned to comply with the officers trying to restrain and cuff him before any mention of tasr usage by either party. Rather than comply and leave the room he continued to struggle and verbally assault people and stage an event of don’t tase me. If he had complied it would not have been necessary. He chose to continue the situation and elevate it by his actions to achieve his desired goal and eventually the officers had no choice but to apply the tasr to gain compliance.

U of F campus police have their tasr units set on the minimum power output for initial contact. This power is well below any disabling level, it is so weak in fact the officers characterize it as only an attention getter of little other tactical usage. His fake crys of pain and anguish at that power level where just more show man ship and noting more considering his body bulk and the low power levels used. If city police off campus had hit him with a tasr he would be squirming on the floor from the higher power levels they use.

It was from beginning to end a premeditated planed disruption and if he wanted to evade he clearly could have gotten away from the early officer contact (in fact he did more than once and then waited for contact before continuing).

He was in violation of the schools code of conduct and then the law.

Neither of those require any kind of threat level threshold that you are proposing. What do you want no action until he pulls a gun or a throwing knife. Threat assessment was not germane to the issue. It was simply violation of well know policies in a willful and intentional manner.

I will repeat my earlier assertion. Kerry was never nor should he have ever been in any form in charge. His only purpose was making his viewpoint presented and listening to questioning and responding as he so deemed fit. As to control or security of the event he has zero input and no power basis in fact.

The staff members of the group sponsoring his appearance on campus hold the responsibility for proper conduct of the event and they were the one’s held accountable in the case to ensure that the disruptive student was intervened with at the proper time in the manner required under the schools code of conduct and regulations.

The student’s tasr remarks were simply for staging the situation he wanted to perform. The taze him words showed positive control by the senior officer present to authorized an action by a subordinate. You will agree that the junior officer didn’t take it upon his own to tazr the student. In fact at one time he had his tazr out for deployment on command and returned it to his holster until having to retrieve it for eventual usage.

He broke laws not all charged to him

Failure to obey a command of a public service officer
Resisting arrest
Resisting arrest with violence

You are wrong the charges would have been the same for any body who performed the same actions

You may be will to suggest that the code pink level is some floor of disruption to be tolerated but that has never been and never will be accepted here as a prevailing community standard.

He broke the student code and was asked to leave per the code. He could have gone outside and been right in an area where on any day there are 8 or as many as ten people doing their soapbox thing with free speech to peddle their ideas for acceptance or rejection by the student body.

Your assertion no laws were broken is simply wrong.

I haven’t seen crap-eating like that since Ron Burgundy dined on dog chips in “Anchorman.”

Actually, that was cat poop.

“I will not eat cat poop!”
“You eat that cat POOP!”

/Body Snatchers

They were going to charge him with ‘inciting a riot’. (huh?) They made up charges after the fact so that they would justify what they did.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 8:23 PM

All due respect, but isn’t yelling over and over, “somebody help me!” incitement to riot? What might have happened if even one or two big guys decided to “help” him? I’m shuddering just thinking of the damage all around.

Now if they’d only start tasing the Code Pinkos …

ReubenJCogburn on October 30, 2007 at 10:35 AM

Gad those cows scream enough without going to the juice.

Let’s see if we can guess why he’s suddenly so conciliatory.

Skull and Bones enforcement section had a word with him.

BadgerHawk on October 30, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Tinfoil and Tofu society maybe…

Pro bono, bro!

Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Say that three times fast.

“I made the decision to supersede the rules, and for that I apologize,” Meyer wrote.

Why is it so many libs are making decisions to break the law?

Is it possible because so many get away with it?

Tase him again.

If Kerry is standing there saying ‘I want to answer the question’, then obviously there was no threat. Obviously KERRY, the one in control of the situation felt like his question, that you characterize as ‘illegal’, had an answer to it.

He was never told he was under arrest. He said ‘are you arresting me?’ He said ‘I didn’t do anything wrong’. He said ‘Don’t TAZE me bro.’ Why did he say ‘don’t taze me bro?’ Because on one of the videos (not the popular one) you could hear one of the officers whisper ‘taze him’.

It was a question and answer session. He asked a question, and got manhandled and tazed.

This is completely different from a ‘Code Pink’ or ‘Truther’ interruption to a speech. They asked for questions, he was asking a question. They allowed him to ask a question but did not allow him to hear the answer. . . EVEN THOUGH Kerry said ‘I want to answer the question’ WHILE THEY WERE TAZING HIM.

The officers did what they were told. Kerry should have taken charge and stopped them. The person liable was the guy in the background telling someone to cut the power to the mike and telling the cops what to do.

The guy did not break the law. Had he been a minority or a rich kid the LEGAL outcome would have been different. The kid is unsympathetic. . . but that does not mean that he is guilty of a crime.

They were going to charge him with ‘inciting a riot’. (huh?) They made up charges after the fact so that they would justify what they did.

Please advise us of what should have been done. All you have done is rant about Fascist behavior which was never shown and all sorts of other ways to dumb down away from adult discussion.

What do you propose should have occurred?

Let him bring in a megaphone and rant and rave similar to code pink from the start of the assembly? Shoved people aside to get to the mike (survival of the fittest), demand the person he cut in front of take video with the camera he supplied (oh I guess you missed that part because that is exactly what he did), just let him rant so that a paid guest speaker others had chosen to attend to hear could not listen to?

Tell me, advise me how you would improve this situation. Should the event staff have gotten him a Danish and Coffee to be sure he wasn’t famished during his rant? Should the police and staff provided a comfortable chair for his rant?
She he have been allowed to rant until he was the only person present in the room?

Please tell us what your solution should have been.

Honest we won’t tase ya bro.

If he walked into a bar with his friends for some cold ones he couldn’t buy a drink. No I don’t mean his buddies would pick up the tab, I mean he would be refused service. The bartenders all know that anyone who breaks the code is subject to that social reaction. He will be told the bartender is exercising his right of refusal to serve and that only responsible adults will be served at that establishment.

I a friend buys a cold one for him and slips it to him they are refused service if the member of the table who slipped it to him can’t be determined the whole table will be refused any new service and asked to leave.

In actually it is highly likely the student was shunned at any place he tried to go. Civil greetings but little interaction beyond that. We hold free speech very dear hear, but also insist it be free and equal speech without the disruption of others freedom of speech.

I have seen similar examples where they couldn’t even buy a pizza off campus. If they wanted to eat go to their apartment a burger stand or a place to eat on campus.

You are not aware of the rules and regulations of that campus.

He did not break a law by cutting the line, he did not break a law by turning his opportunity to ask a question into a speech. Nope not a law but allowable conduct on the campus regulations for fair debate which are part of the student handbook. He could have been ejected from the room for either violation of the code of conduct and that is a spelled out remedy in the student code. In this entire episode he broke conduct regulations and then laws he was well aware of and social norms of adult behavior he knew he was in violation of.

Once he broke the student conduct code the staff of the group sponsoring the event did as they are required to by the student code and had his mike cut off at their direction since it is a requirement of the code that they maintain the proper behavior for the event. At that point the staff requested the removal of the code violator.

After that the student continued to make step escalations of his choice and with his full knowledge. The campus police simply just matched their response.

Kerry was the speaker only. Once the student violated the code of conduct Kerry could have talked all he wanted and it would not matter, the staff responsibilities under the code are clear and the speaker has zero input into those actions.

The speaker is a guest of the host staff. He hold no authority by virtue of his guest status. If he were faculty or administrative then that would come into play, but as a guest he has no bearing on the issue.

If he wants other wise he is free to rent a public hall and control the event to his desires.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 5:47 PM

BRAVO!!! Winner of the thread.

It was DADDY!!!…”If you want to see another dime from me, you’ll drop this asshattery YESTERDAY!! And don’t you EVER let me see your pimply little face on TV again!!”

CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

“Good parenting,” indeed! LOLOL!

“Don’t raise me, bro!”

I am disgusted and appalled at the level of herd-like acceptance of police-state fascism on display here.
Ochlan

And, being a student of history, Ochlan knows what happens when; from within a fascist state, you call out a fascist state on their fascist actions.

Dude, Ochlan, why are you still at a computer posting here. You’re gonna get “disappeared”. Don’t you know any history?

Or do you not believe the tripe you’ve spewed here. We all know what happens to vocal detractors of a fascist state; but we’re wondering why you don’t seem worried. It’s almost as if even you don’t believe you.

This was the U of F not some California Moonbat screaming protester schools like some we saw on display in the recent speaking tours.

U of F is a liberal school, but they debate and listen to various points of view and give them a fair hearing and debate.

We do not allow disruption of that debate, the student was aware of the local customs and acceptable forms of behavior and chose to disregard them. He also broke the laws of our state and county and city in the process.

He was advised he was disrupting outside of accepted standard and he chose to continue.

He was then going to be escorted from the room (others were leaving in disgust if you watch the video, he violated social norms for us here which may be different in your community, but we consider that your loss. We expect adults to act like adults and stop other behavior if it persists.

He refused to leave and was told he was under arrest.

He then resisted arrest trying to evade officers detention.

Officers properly and with measured response levels appropriate to the students actions to ensure compliance without a step jump to overtly excessive measures (they didn’t pull out a gun and put 3 or 4 slugs to the kneecap to get his attention).

The student chose to increase the confrontation with elbowing , pushing shoving and trying to pull away, which constitutes assault on an officer. And under our state laws that is resisting an officer with violence.

He was well aware of the existence of the laws and the penalty levels for them just by living here and also being informed of such things during orientation sessions at the school. He is also notified of the zero tolerance policy toward such behavior.

We believe that adult discussion without debate disruption or shouting down the opposition and doing it in a heated but civil manner is the proper course of conduct. You may believe otherwise. Fine stay where you are able to do what you want or move to where you can. But understand if you come here that is the standard you will be held to. If you don’t like it simply don’t come and don’t even think that you are going to try to come here and “improve it” to your way of doing things.

The Stasi did a fine job…anyone remember anything about that mystical place called America? I’m studying it for my history class…

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Hopefully, during your history studies, you will be required to do some research on the not-so-mystical/mythical Staatsicherheit (Stasi) of the late GDR and, thereby, discover how ridiculous the comparison between that organization and the U of F campus police really is.

A student! Says it all.

Wade on October 30, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Exactly Wade! But I don’t remember seeing this crap when I went to college back in the early 80′s. The only protest I remember was when they cancelled showing some skin flick in the UC one Friday night, and that was pretty much in good nature.

Then again, I went to school to be a pilot, with other like minded kids. More conservative kinda folks I guess.

These kids today make me wanna puke.