Taser boy breaks silence: My bad, bro

posted at 9:40 am on October 30, 2007 by Allahpundit

First the cops are absolved of blame, now this. He does understand that one’s status as a bona fide nutroots truth-to-power martyr depends on never, ever apologizing, right?

Let’s see if we can guess why he’s suddenly so conciliatory.

A University of Florida student who was filmed being shocked by police with a Taser stun gun after persistently questioning Sen. John Kerry will not face criminal charges and has apologized for his actions, his attorney said Tuesday…

“I made the decision to supersede the rules, and for that I apologize,” Meyer wrote. “I should have acted calmer and obeyed the directives of the officers. If I had, none of the subsequent issues would ever have arisen.”…

University police had recommended Meyer be charged with resisting arrest with violence, a felony, and disturbing the peace and interfering with school administrative functions, a misdemeanor.

His lawyer’s set up a website devoted to the case, even though there no longer appears to be a case to speak of. You’ll find Meyer’s letters to the U of F community, the university’s president, and the police department in the sidebar. At least read that last one; I haven’t seen crap-eating like that since Ron Burgundy dined on dog chips in “Anchorman.”

Update: One more time, to remember him by.


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And the march toward fascism continues…

Sorry we let you down Naomi.

Keljeck on October 30, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Peace through strength.

MikeZero on October 30, 2007 at 9:42 AM

At least the kid has enough guts to admit he was wrong.

Still…I’ll never forget the Hammertime “Don’t Tase Me, Bro”…makes me laugh to this very day.

MadisonConservative on October 30, 2007 at 9:43 AM

The lawyer looked at a straight white kid in public school and said, he don’t have enough money for me to work on this. Had he been a minority – gold mine.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 9:49 AM

The lawyer looked at a straight white kid in public school and said, he don’t have enough money for me to work on this.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 9:49 AM

“Don’t bill me bro’!”

Shy Guy on October 30, 2007 at 9:53 AM

“Don’t charge me bro!”

Drew on October 30, 2007 at 9:58 AM

Pro bono, bro!

Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Win.

James on October 30, 2007 at 10:16 AM

Andrew is a good and decent young man. He is a student, and he has shown his capacity for learning. I submit to you that he deserves great credit for taking the high road and focusing on the future. He will address the issues he is concerned about at his website link.

Huh? He took the high road…? Realllly?
I love the part, “he has shown his capacity for learning.” !! So it’s true, liberal students can learn! It has been shown with the application of electricity via a taser, it is now possible to teach them! Heh heh!

4shoes on October 30, 2007 at 10:17 AM

I guess the Dark Lord of the Sith Cheney got to him….

Tim Burton on October 30, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Huh? He took the high road…? Realllly?
I love the part, “he has shown his capacity for learning.” !! So it’s true, liberal students can learn! It has been shown with the application of electricity via a taser, it is now possible to teach them! Heh heh!

4shoes on October 30, 2007 at 10:17 AM

So you support the use of torture shock therapy?

Tim Burton on October 30, 2007 at 10:22 AM

The Stasi did a fine job…anyone remember anything about that mystical place called America? I’m studying it for my history class…

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Owwww Owwww

dont taze me bro on October 30, 2007 at 10:24 AM

My gawd…. It worked…. The tazer seems to have zapped some sense into him…

Mazztek on October 30, 2007 at 10:27 AM

The kid probably realized it wouldn’t be good for his chances to get into graduate school or a decent company with a felony on his record. He’s no TruHippy™ that’s for sure.

Mindcrime on October 30, 2007 at 10:32 AM

Let’s see if we can guess why he’s suddenly so conciliatory.

Skull and Bones enforcement section had a word with him.

BadgerHawk on October 30, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Now if they’d only start tasing the Code Pinkos and the Truthers when they can’t manage to behave at public events. Then we’d be getting somewhere.

ReubenJCogburn on October 30, 2007 at 10:35 AM

Yes…let’s regulate liberty with police force…excellent!

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Yep, that’s liberty. Go to a public event, completely disrupt it, ignore police requests to leave and physically resist them when they try to remove you. Let’s see multiply that by 300 million of us and it equals… Anarchy!

trubble on October 30, 2007 at 10:51 AM

A liberal is simply a conservative that hasn’t been tased yet. Hey, if a taser is that effective, imagine the results we’d get with cattle prods.

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 10:58 AM

That’s right…that’s exactly what he did…look at the video evidence…see the turmoil and chaos he was causing…the fear in the eyes of the fellow audience members as they withstood his maniacal ranting.

Tase them all…stamp it out…control it totally.

*puke*

And you call yourselves “Americans”…ha ha ha

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:00 AM

He does understand that one’s status as a bona fide nutroots truth-to-power martyr depends on never, ever apologizing, right?

That boy in in serious jepordy of loosing his left wing pinko commie card.

conservnut on October 30, 2007 at 11:02 AM

Yes…let’s regulate liberty with police force…excellent!
Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Wrong again. We have laws that regulate our liberties and the police are their to enforce those laws. The guy doesn’t have the right to disrupt an event. The police CALMLY moved in to enforce the rights of the people in the audience to listen to discussion without disruption. When the scum bag perp refused to obey the lawful order of the police he was legally tased for violating their legal orders.

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 11:02 AM

We have laws that regulate our liberties and the police are their to enforce those laws

Couldn’t have described the cancer better myself.

I am disgusted and appalled at the level of herd-like acceptance of police-state fascism on display here. This “don’t tase me bro” issue has really exposed how shallow your understanding of liberty, and what it means to be “American”, truly is.

Disgraceful

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:05 AM

So, he apologized….the Illuminati got to him! Planted that mind-control chip in his brain at the FEMA concentration camp. Flew him by black helicopter to his “attorney”, and apologized:

(in best ’60s robot voice) “I-am-sorry—I-will-not-disrupt-a-Skull-and -Bones-member-ever-again”

JetBoy on October 30, 2007 at 11:06 AM

Tase them all…stamp it out…control it totally.
*puke*
And you call yourselves “Americans”…ha ha ha
Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:00 AM

Yes, lets look at the video. Especially the part where several other citizens who followed the rules. Your problem is that you suffer from a psychological disorder. All liberals do. If you would go receive some mental treatments you would realize that the scum bag had the opportunity to engage in free speech without the manufactured theatrics. He planned this to escalate this to the levels it reached. He denied the rest of the audience their right to assemble without some scum bag denying them their right to engaged in discussion because he disrupted the entire event.

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 11:09 AM

That’s right…that’s exactly what he did…look at the video evidence…see the turmoil and chaos he was causing…the fear in the eyes of the fellow audience members as they withstood his maniacal ranting.

Tase them all…stamp it out…control it totally.

*puke*

And you call yourselves “Americans”…ha ha ha

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:00 AM

You are waaaaay confused as to your rights. If it was HIS event or forum, he could talk and scream to his heart’s content. He can even do it on a street corner, hand out fliers or whatever. What he can’t do is go to somebody else’s event and prevent them from their freedom of expression.

Here’s an example. go to a little league baseball game, walk onto the field, pick the ball and start squawking about your political views. The cops will and should drag you away. Not to the Gulag, but away from the event you are disrupting.

trubble on October 30, 2007 at 11:10 AM

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 11:09 AM

“follow the rules”…”psychological disorder”…”scum bag”

Astonishing that an “American” can think this way.

I am sure liberty is secure in the good hands of rational people like you, csd. Carry on.

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:05 AM

All rights are regulated. But it’s obvious that you, being the stupid a$$ you are, think that no behavior can be regulated. I’ll tell you what douche bag, you take the time out of your day to try to get educated and I’ll get somebody to come and deny you your right to learn. Then we will expose you as the psychologically damaged jagoff you are.

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 11:13 AM

What he can’t do is go to somebody else’s event and prevent them from their freedom of expression.

trubble on October 30, 2007 at 11:10 AM

Exactly right. And this kind of thing is happening way too often lately…by groups and individuals of Code Pink, the Truthers, and various others. I’m not sure if better screening of “audience” members is due, or harsher penalties for those who do interrupt events.

But something needs to be done,

JetBoy on October 30, 2007 at 11:14 AM

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:13 AM

As long as crazies like you are relegated to the moonbat brigade, this country will be safe. I follow rule of law and if you don’t like those laws, go get it changed legally. Oh, that’s right you can’t because rational people aren’t going to stand for sacks of $hit like you denying us our rights, because you think the world revolves around your selfish wants and your refusal to accept responsibility for following the rules. You should be institutionalized for your own good.

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 11:17 AM

*sigh*

It is becoming clearer day-by-day that I am one of a dwindling minority that actually understands what “rights” _are_…and value them accordingly.

Never mind. The rest of you just join the stampede…it’s so much easier than thinking.

At least do one honest thing and turn in your “American” citizenship on the way out…you have no claim to it.

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:18 AM

*sigh*

It is becoming clearer day-by-day that I am one of a dwindling minority that actually understands what “rights” _are_…and value them accordingly.

Never mind. The rest of you just join the stampede…it’s so much easier than thinking.

At least do one honest thing and turn in your “American” citizenship on the way out…you have no claim to it.

Once again, I think you are confused. Freedom of expression does not mean that we the people have to be subjected to whomever can shout the loudest for the longest.

Oh, and for the record you don’t have the slightest clue what Fascism is. Here’s a hint, if you can gather in a group holding signs saying that the leader of the country is a fascist, get on tv for the protest, and sleep in your own bed that night, he’s no fascist.

trubble on October 30, 2007 at 11:23 AM

You’ll find Meyer’s letters to the U of F community, the university’s president, and the police department in the sidebar. At least read that last one; I haven’t seen crap-eating like that since Ron Burgundy dined on dog chips in “Anchorman.”

Man, talk about a 180. He’s apologizing for how the cops’ good names have been dragged through the mud, etc. etc. But if you’ll recall at the time, when the extended videos came out, he was screaming in the lobby that they were going to hand him over to the government and kill him. He begged the students to come down to the police station and demand to see him, because he was (supposedly) afraid for his life. Now he’s seen the error of his ways? Not buying it… and the Nutroots are going to be furious over Sissy Boy not sticking to his guns. Traitor!

RightWinged on October 30, 2007 at 11:23 AM

From the article:

Officers rushed Meyer after he kept shouting questions, finally shocking him in a scuffle captured in at least 19 video clips.

Nobody rushed him. HE rushed the front of the line, effectively shoving others who were waiting out of line!

student who was filmed being shocked by police with a Taser stun gun after persistently questioning Sen. John Kerry

Look at this blatant editorializing. Good old MSNBC.

If that’s all he had been doing…well, this has been discussed to death. But, let’s try:

student who first rushed to the head of a question line, stopping others from asking their questions, then making several statements in the form of questions and not stopping to let John Kerry answer, then after he had spoken for a few minutes his microphone was cut, getting physical and screaming, bringing the whole event to a stop before police were forced to first subdue, then physically remove him

How does THAT sound?

inviolet on October 30, 2007 at 11:26 AM

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:18 AM

You have no clue you insane fool. Your psychological disorder leads you to believe that you have a right to violate others rights. Aside from being nuts, you are a selfish prick too.

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 11:28 AM

It is becoming clearer day-by-day that I am one of a dwindling minority that actually understands what “rights” _are_…and value them accordingly.

OK, I’ll play!

Since you’re the expert of ‘rights,’ please explain which of his rights applied here, and how they were violated. For extra credit, please explain what, if any, of the speaker’s rights were violated, and present an argument for your choice for whose rights were more important in this situation.

Bonus question: Please explore the relationship between ‘rights’ and ‘responsibilities,’ using this event as a case study.

psrch on October 30, 2007 at 11:33 AM

I dressed up as him for a Halloween party on Saturday. Too few people ‘got it’, but those who did thought it was awesome.

askheaves on October 30, 2007 at 11:47 AM

“I haven’t seen crap-eating like that since Ron Burgundy dined on dog chips in “Anchorman.””
Correction: It was more like crap-loaf, and wasn’t it of the feline variety?
I loved that movie until I got sick of the obvious bashing of my conservative San Diego. They couldn’t resist associating the low-IQ Brick with the Bush Administration.

Christine on October 30, 2007 at 11:57 AM

Being faced with felony charges the lawyer got him to apologize in hopes the charges would be dropped. Looks like it worked. This crapweasel is not sorry and only trying to keep his sorry ass out of prison. The University needs to to say. Sorry means not having to say you’re sorry. Press the felony charges.

Wade on October 30, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Andrew is a good a$$**** and decent moronic young manmoonbat. He is a student{So what} , and he has shown his capacity for NOTlearning about if you do the crime you do the time.

I am sorry but if this idiot doesn’t face the BS of going to court fighting the case and possibly landing in jail for some time, these idiots will see they can do and say what ever and no one will hold them accountable.

I will tell you if it was me I would still be sitting in jail and I would still be facing felony charges but hey that’s the two Americas I guess.

Mojack420 on October 30, 2007 at 12:07 PM

The point you people are missing IS the context. You all say he was at fault for ‘asking questions’. But they allowed him to ask questions.

This is different from the other incidents of disrupting speeches and whatnot because it was a question and answer session. The cops did what they were told by someone who was in charge. They shouldn’t have tased him because he would have left willingly had they let him go at that point. He had no other purpose to be there if they weren’t going to let him speak. He didn’t want to get arrested or man-handled (that wasn’t his point).

They let him ask a question, cut his mic, and then grabbed him. Why give him the mic if you aren’t going to let him hear the answer to the question?

Again, I point to the CONTEXT of a question and answer session. . . I know people will say ‘he cut in line’, and ‘he spoke loudly’ (he had a microphone). . . none of those things are against the law. And if it was against the law to ‘cut in line’ they should have arrested him before he asked the question (after he broke the law).

Kerry said, ‘I want to answer the question’ AS HE WAS GETTING TASED. Nobody was afraid of anything except they were afraid of the cops. Kerry should have told the cops to stop instead of droning on about ‘I want to answer the question’. He should have said STOP STOP STOP and they would have stopped.

Kerry was in charge, but he isn’t a leader.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 12:08 PM

It is becoming clearer day-by-day that I am one of a dwindling minority that actually understands what “rights” _are_…and value them accordingly.

Private property? Ignore it. Speech rights of others, ignore them. Lawful order from officer? Ignore and violently resist.

Then whine and complain like what you’ve done to others would in any way ever be acceptable if it were done to you…

This is “understanding rights”? And honestly, I wish you were in a dwindling minority. But the anti-war protesters who believe their “rights” involve trespassing, vandalism, and violence (as well as speech) seem to have the exact same concepts and beliefs you have.

gekkobear on October 30, 2007 at 12:08 PM

The Stasi did a fine job…anyone remember anything about that mystical place called America? I’m studying it for my history class…

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:23 AM

A student! Says it all.

Wade on October 30, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Wow, where did this “Ochlan” character come from? It seems like lately we’ve had a few random trolls I’ve never heard of just popping up here and there… Did you go out and recruit these people to mix it up, AP?

Ochlan, in case you weren’t aware, Meyer had absolutely no “right” to be there. Once you recognize this fact, you soon realize that upon being asked to leave, and he didn’t comply, and wouldn’t stop resisting when the police tried to escort him out. Non-lethal force was applied, and the stunt was over. (Okay, it wasn’t over… when they hit the lobby he screamed that the cops were going to hand him over to the government and kill him, etc. etc.)

Wait.. you hear that? Yeah, that’s the sound of Ochlan getting comment tased. See ya pal, we are biased towards rational thought around here… not emotional and uninformed nonsense.

BTW, you make a fool out of yourself when you say things like this:

anyone remember anything about that mystical place called America? I’m studying it for my history class…

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:23 AM

.. especially since I’m so fond of mocking people who think like you for just being overexcited college freshman, fresh out of their political science liberal indoctrination class.

RightWinged on October 30, 2007 at 12:12 PM

Press the felony charges.

Wade on October 30, 2007 at 12:05 PM

Unbelievable. the FELONY charge is worse than the Jena 6 injustice. You really believe that what this guy did is a felony? They MADE THAT CHARGE UP AFTER the incident. What happened to the bogus ‘inciting a riot’ charge that the girl cop was insisting they charge him with? Any charge filed in this case is bogus because the cops wanted justification for doing what they were told.

How can you be charged with ‘resisting arrest’ without being told that ‘you are under arrest’? How can you be under arrest without having done anything illegal? Again this guy is not sympathetic at all, but no charges against him would stick.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 12:12 PM

Children often believe that their rights are the only rights that matter and that their views are so important that nobody else should have the liberty to express their views. They haven’t yet learned that there are other people with rights too and that they exist alongside them or the simple truth that their rights end at another person’s nose.

Ochlan, why are you so concerned about this idiot’s rights and care so little about the rights of the other people who had questions or comments of their own. Don’t you understand that “America” has never been about rushing to the front of the line ahead of those waiting their turn? Do you not understand that “America” isn’t about taking up residence at the microphone and refusing to allow others their right to speak too?

Personally I’m glad to see that Taserboy did some growing up. Many more certainly need to.

Buzzy on October 30, 2007 at 12:14 PM

[Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 11:18 AM]

Ochlan, please explain to me why you think Meyer had the right to act in the manner he did? Do you think he had the right to do so without intervention at all or by anyone?

If so, then please include, if you decide to respond, for how long would his right to continue last and to what extent could he continue?

Dusty on October 30, 2007 at 12:14 PM

Owwww Owwww

dont taze me bro on October 30, 2007 at 10:24 AM

Lucky bastard, I wondered who’d snag that handle!

Bad Candy on October 30, 2007 at 12:16 PM

RE: psrch on October 30, 2007 at 11:33 AM
A prediction.
If ochlan resopnds, he will pretty much avoid answering any of your questions, but he will find a way to proclaim his moral superiority over us reich-wing, rethuglikkkan, christofascists.

least1 on October 30, 2007 at 12:20 PM

Unbelievable. the FELONY charge is worse than the Jena 6 injustice.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 12:12 PM

Thacker, Jena is Louisiana. This happened in Florida. In Jena, the charges against Bell were reduced to aggravated battery, which IS a felony and was convicted (though subsequently overturned because of the issue of adult vs juvenile trial was an issue).

As for the charge being made up, what level of charge is usually made to address resisting arrest, if I can presuppose that at some point prior Meyer passed the point of being merely excorted out and was being placed under arrest? Is resisting arrest usually a misdemeanor?

Dusty on October 30, 2007 at 12:28 PM

It wasn’t the Stasi. It wasn’t the Illuminati. It wasn’t Bushitlerco.

It was DADDY!!!

I’m picturing a rather one-sided conversation that went something like this…..

“I’m busting my ass to send you to that school to get an education, so you can get a REAL job and not have to live with your mother and me until you’re forty, and this is what I get?? And then you expect me to pay your f***ing legal bills on top of it???? You will apologize, you miserable little sh*t! If you want to see another dime from me, you’ll drop this asshattery YESTERDAY!! And don’t you EVER let me see your pimply little face on TV again!!”

At least that’s what would have happened if he was my kid.

CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

ROFL :-)
Now _that’s_ what I call good parenting!

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 1:08 PM

[CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM]

I hadn’t thought about that one. That’s much more likely than my thought that Meyer didn’t like the possible new university he saw in his near future, the dorm accommodations or his new roommates.

Dusty on October 30, 2007 at 1:13 PM

CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Heh. “Don’t spank me Dad!”

infidel4life on October 30, 2007 at 1:14 PM

You know what? We shouldn’t call it “crap-eating.”

After all the piss-poor moonbat apologies I’ve heard, this one is just plain apologizing, and he’s awful, awful sorry.

Coming from him, that’s pretty surprising, and pretty classy.

Professor Blather on October 30, 2007 at 1:26 PM

How can you be charged with ‘resisting arrest’ without being told that ‘you are under arrest’? How can you be under arrest without having done anything illegal? Again this guy is not sympathetic at all, but no charges against him would stick.

He was aware that he was under arrest. You can tell because he’s screaming “why are you arresting me”.

NeoConNews on October 30, 2007 at 3:00 PM

Maybe he came to his senses and was genuinely sorry.

RightOFLeft on October 30, 2007 at 3:04 PM

CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Owwww Owwww

dont taze me bro on October 30, 2007 at 3:07 PM

Heh. “Don’t spank me Dad!”
infidel4life on October 30, 2007 at 1:14 PM

hahaha

csdeven on October 30, 2007 at 4:04 PM

A student! Says it all.

Wade on October 30, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Exactly Wade! But I don’t remember seeing this crap when I went to college back in the early 80′s. The only protest I remember was when they cancelled showing some skin flick in the UC one Friday night, and that was pretty much in good nature.

Then again, I went to school to be a pilot, with other like minded kids. More conservative kinda folks I guess.

These kids today make me wanna puke.

bernzright777 on October 30, 2007 at 5:11 PM

The Stasi did a fine job…anyone remember anything about that mystical place called America? I’m studying it for my history class…

Ochlan on October 30, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Hopefully, during your history studies, you will be required to do some research on the not-so-mystical/mythical Staatsicherheit (Stasi) of the late GDR and, thereby, discover how ridiculous the comparison between that organization and the U of F campus police really is.

baldilocks on October 30, 2007 at 5:35 PM

The important point is the context which most people miss and understandably because they don’t live here.

This was the U of F not some California Moonbat screaming protester schools like some we saw on display in the recent speaking tours.

U of F is a liberal school, but they debate and listen to various points of view and give them a fair hearing and debate.

We do not allow disruption of that debate, the student was aware of the local customs and acceptable forms of behavior and chose to disregard them. He also broke the laws of our state and county and city in the process.

He was advised he was disrupting outside of accepted standard and he chose to continue.

He was then going to be escorted from the room (others were leaving in disgust if you watch the video, he violated social norms for us here which may be different in your community, but we consider that your loss. We expect adults to act like adults and stop other behavior if it persists.

He refused to leave and was told he was under arrest.

He then resisted arrest trying to evade officers detention.

Officers properly and with measured response levels appropriate to the students actions to ensure compliance without a step jump to overtly excessive measures (they didn’t pull out a gun and put 3 or 4 slugs to the kneecap to get his attention).

The student chose to increase the confrontation with elbowing , pushing shoving and trying to pull away, which constitutes assault on an officer. And under our state laws that is resisting an officer with violence.

He was well aware of the existence of the laws and the penalty levels for them just by living here and also being informed of such things during orientation sessions at the school. He is also notified of the zero tolerance policy toward such behavior.

We believe that adult discussion without debate disruption or shouting down the opposition and doing it in a heated but civil manner is the proper course of conduct. You may believe otherwise. Fine stay where you are able to do what you want or move to where you can. But understand if you come here that is the standard you will be held to. If you don’t like it simply don’t come and don’t even think that you are going to try to come here and “improve it” to your way of doing things.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 5:47 PM

I am disgusted and appalled at the level of herd-like acceptance of police-state fascism on display here.
Ochlan

And, being a student of history, Ochlan knows what happens when; from within a fascist state, you call out a fascist state on their fascist actions.

Dude, Ochlan, why are you still at a computer posting here. You’re gonna get “disappeared”. Don’t you know any history?

Or do you not believe the tripe you’ve spewed here. We all know what happens to vocal detractors of a fascist state; but we’re wondering why you don’t seem worried. It’s almost as if even you don’t believe you.

gekkobear on October 30, 2007 at 5:59 PM

It was DADDY!!!…”If you want to see another dime from me, you’ll drop this asshattery YESTERDAY!! And don’t you EVER let me see your pimply little face on TV again!!”

CurtZHP on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

“Good parenting,” indeed! LOLOL!

“Don’t raise me, bro!”

inviolet on October 30, 2007 at 6:14 PM

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 5:47 PM

BRAVO!!! Winner of the thread.

srhoades on October 30, 2007 at 6:46 PM

Thacher Agency

You are not aware of the rules and regulations of that campus.

He did not break a law by cutting the line, he did not break a law by turning his opportunity to ask a question into a speech. Nope not a law but allowable conduct on the campus regulations for fair debate which are part of the student handbook. He could have been ejected from the room for either violation of the code of conduct and that is a spelled out remedy in the student code. In this entire episode he broke conduct regulations and then laws he was well aware of and social norms of adult behavior he knew he was in violation of.

Once he broke the student conduct code the staff of the group sponsoring the event did as they are required to by the student code and had his mike cut off at their direction since it is a requirement of the code that they maintain the proper behavior for the event. At that point the staff requested the removal of the code violator.

After that the student continued to make step escalations of his choice and with his full knowledge. The campus police simply just matched their response.

Kerry was the speaker only. Once the student violated the code of conduct Kerry could have talked all he wanted and it would not matter, the staff responsibilities under the code are clear and the speaker has zero input into those actions.

The speaker is a guest of the host staff. He hold no authority by virtue of his guest status. If he were faculty or administrative then that would come into play, but as a guest he has no bearing on the issue.

If he wants other wise he is free to rent a public hall and control the event to his desires.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Also you are not aware of how things work in that town when people break willfully the code of conduct that binds the campus together with the community.

If he walked into a bar with his friends for some cold ones he couldn’t buy a drink. No I don’t mean his buddies would pick up the tab, I mean he would be refused service. The bartenders all know that anyone who breaks the code is subject to that social reaction. He will be told the bartender is exercising his right of refusal to serve and that only responsible adults will be served at that establishment.

I a friend buys a cold one for him and slips it to him they are refused service if the member of the table who slipped it to him can’t be determined the whole table will be refused any new service and asked to leave.

In actually it is highly likely the student was shunned at any place he tried to go. Civil greetings but little interaction beyond that. We hold free speech very dear hear, but also insist it be free and equal speech without the disruption of others freedom of speech.

I have seen similar examples where they couldn’t even buy a pizza off campus. If they wanted to eat go to their apartment a burger stand or a place to eat on campus.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Ochlan

Please advise us of what should have been done. All you have done is rant about Fascist behavior which was never shown and all sorts of other ways to dumb down away from adult discussion.

What do you propose should have occurred?

Let him bring in a megaphone and rant and rave similar to code pink from the start of the assembly? Shoved people aside to get to the mike (survival of the fittest), demand the person he cut in front of take video with the camera he supplied (oh I guess you missed that part because that is exactly what he did), just let him rant so that a paid guest speaker others had chosen to attend to hear could not listen to?

Tell me, advise me how you would improve this situation. Should the event staff have gotten him a Danish and Coffee to be sure he wasn’t famished during his rant? Should the police and staff provided a comfortable chair for his rant?
She he have been allowed to rant until he was the only person present in the room?

Please tell us what your solution should have been.

Honest we won’t tase ya bro.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 7:51 PM

Comment Guy, you are really making up a lot of stuff and presenting it as fact in this case.

If Kerry is standing there saying ‘I want to answer the question’, then obviously there was no threat. Obviously KERRY, the one in control of the situation felt like his question, that you characterize as ‘illegal’, had an answer to it.

He was never told he was under arrest. He said ‘are you arresting me?’ He said ‘I didn’t do anything wrong’. He said ‘Don’t TAZE me bro.’ Why did he say ‘don’t taze me bro?’ Because on one of the videos (not the popular one) you could hear one of the officers whisper ‘taze him’.

It was a question and answer session. He asked a question, and got manhandled and tazed.

This is completely different from a ‘Code Pink’ or ‘Truther’ interruption to a speech. They asked for questions, he was asking a question. They allowed him to ask a question but did not allow him to hear the answer. . . EVEN THOUGH Kerry said ‘I want to answer the question’ WHILE THEY WERE TAZING HIM.

The officers did what they were told. Kerry should have taken charge and stopped them. The person liable was the guy in the background telling someone to cut the power to the mike and telling the cops what to do.

The guy did not break the law. Had he been a minority or a rich kid the LEGAL outcome would have been different. The kid is unsympathetic. . . but that does not mean that he is guilty of a crime.

They were going to charge him with ‘inciting a riot’. (huh?) They made up charges after the fact so that they would justify what they did.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 8:23 PM

“I made the decision to supersede the rules, and for that I apologize,” Meyer wrote.

Why is it so many libs are making decisions to break the law?

Is it possible because so many get away with it?

Tase him again.

91Veteran on October 30, 2007 at 8:25 PM

Pro bono, bro!

Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Say that three times fast.

91Veteran on October 30, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Let’s see if we can guess why he’s suddenly so conciliatory.

Skull and Bones enforcement section had a word with him.

BadgerHawk on October 30, 2007 at 10:34 AM

Tinfoil and Tofu society maybe…

91Veteran on October 30, 2007 at 8:30 PM

Now if they’d only start tasing the Code Pinkos …

ReubenJCogburn on October 30, 2007 at 10:35 AM

Gad those cows scream enough without going to the juice.

91Veteran on October 30, 2007 at 8:31 PM

They were going to charge him with ‘inciting a riot’. (huh?) They made up charges after the fact so that they would justify what they did.

ThackerAgency on October 30, 2007 at 8:23 PM

All due respect, but isn’t yelling over and over, “somebody help me!” incitement to riot? What might have happened if even one or two big guys decided to “help” him? I’m shuddering just thinking of the damage all around.

inviolet on October 30, 2007 at 9:01 PM

Human damage, I meant.

inviolet on October 30, 2007 at 9:02 PM

*Points at Ochlan and screams*

/Body Snatchers

EnochCain on October 30, 2007 at 9:15 PM

I haven’t seen crap-eating like that since Ron Burgundy dined on dog chips in “Anchorman.”

Actually, that was cat poop.

“I will not eat cat poop!”
“You eat that cat POOP!”

PaisleyCow on October 30, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Thatcher

You need to go back and review the video.

The student was at the microphone and started his questioning and then diverged into a speech. He was told he was in violation and even the staff host of the sponsoring group tapped him on the shoulder and told him his conduct was not acceptable and to leave per the code.

The student stepped back from the mic and then Kerry said he wanted to answer the question and was not able to because the student went back for the second time to the microphone and started to make another speech and not even let Kerry fully respond. He was given a second chance out of respect for the guest and blew it then the rest transpired.

From all that occurred he came to the assembly with full intent to disrupt the proceeding and create a staged event.

He brought his own video camera and demanded the person he had cut in front of film his “performance”. His dancing around the aisle to evade the police was like a child playing catch me if you can simply to add to his performance. His screams and protestations were simply for effect to add to the situation he wished to create. He even at times stood still to allow the police to again regain contact and then broke it to continue the performance.

The tase portion of the incident was all stagework by him.

He initially broke free at the end of the aisle and nearly exited the room in his evasion of the police. He then came back to approach the police to regain contact and further continue his little passion play.

He was repeatedly warned to comply with the officers trying to restrain and cuff him before any mention of tasr usage by either party. Rather than comply and leave the room he continued to struggle and verbally assault people and stage an event of don’t tase me. If he had complied it would not have been necessary. He chose to continue the situation and elevate it by his actions to achieve his desired goal and eventually the officers had no choice but to apply the tasr to gain compliance.

U of F campus police have their tasr units set on the minimum power output for initial contact. This power is well below any disabling level, it is so weak in fact the officers characterize it as only an attention getter of little other tactical usage. His fake crys of pain and anguish at that power level where just more show man ship and noting more considering his body bulk and the low power levels used. If city police off campus had hit him with a tasr he would be squirming on the floor from the higher power levels they use.

It was from beginning to end a premeditated planed disruption and if he wanted to evade he clearly could have gotten away from the early officer contact (in fact he did more than once and then waited for contact before continuing).

He was in violation of the schools code of conduct and then the law.

Neither of those require any kind of threat level threshold that you are proposing. What do you want no action until he pulls a gun or a throwing knife. Threat assessment was not germane to the issue. It was simply violation of well know policies in a willful and intentional manner.

I will repeat my earlier assertion. Kerry was never nor should he have ever been in any form in charge. His only purpose was making his viewpoint presented and listening to questioning and responding as he so deemed fit. As to control or security of the event he has zero input and no power basis in fact.

The staff members of the group sponsoring his appearance on campus hold the responsibility for proper conduct of the event and they were the one’s held accountable in the case to ensure that the disruptive student was intervened with at the proper time in the manner required under the schools code of conduct and regulations.

The student’s tasr remarks were simply for staging the situation he wanted to perform. The taze him words showed positive control by the senior officer present to authorized an action by a subordinate. You will agree that the junior officer didn’t take it upon his own to tazr the student. In fact at one time he had his tazr out for deployment on command and returned it to his holster until having to retrieve it for eventual usage.

He broke laws not all charged to him

Failure to obey a command of a public service officer
Resisting arrest
Resisting arrest with violence

You are wrong the charges would have been the same for any body who performed the same actions

You may be will to suggest that the code pink level is some floor of disruption to be tolerated but that has never been and never will be accepted here as a prevailing community standard.

He broke the student code and was asked to leave per the code. He could have gone outside and been right in an area where on any day there are 8 or as many as ten people doing their soapbox thing with free speech to peddle their ideas for acceptance or rejection by the student body.

Your assertion no laws were broken is simply wrong.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 10:59 PM

There are multiple videos out there of the incident. Only one I have seen shows the two microphone visits. Most start when he is already at the microphone for the second time.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 11:07 PM

He really should have been given Community Service as his punishment. I think he was let off rather light. Of course, I’d not want to have seen jail time for this guy necessarily but what is wrong with giving community service so he can be humbled just a little?

Highrise on October 31, 2007 at 1:13 AM

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 10:59 PM

America is in safe hands

*thud*

Ochlan on October 31, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Did any of you take the time to read his apology non apology?

Heck the kid is even hitting the morning talk shows this morning. I saw last night he was setup for the Today show this morning.

I don’t watch tv so I can’t confirm.

CommentGuy on October 31, 2007 at 1:05 PM

*thud*

Ochlan on October 31, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Strange how you were able to type *thud* and hit after the “Stasi” got to you. I guess you got lucky and your forehead hit one of the keys.

Grow up, Little One.

baldilocks on October 31, 2007 at 2:50 PM