I have followed some more about the worrisome rise of political parties with shady and questionable credentials such as the BNP, Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats on sites like Hot Air and Little Green Footballs, and there’s more available here and ….

Tom and Brian are not going to let this argument kill SNN if I have anything to say about it.

And I do. Tom has recanted his “This is the end” post. SNN will continue after a short break.

Be it race or a political blog, it should come as no great surprise to any one that human beings will find cause to coalesce around any manner of rational and in multiple ways.

When a guy says he would consider himself a failure if his daughter married outside her race/culture and manages to make an explanation that seems ok, then it is a trap. Nazis and their ilk have a knack for making the most insane pronouncements seem somewhat rational.

Would you accept that explanation from a guy like, I dunno, who is a political leader in North America… George W. Bush or Bill Clinton? Of course not. Yet it seems somehow plausible from some Danish dude with some sketchy ties?

We should refuse to bail out Europe for a 3rd time. They enabled a lot of this islamic crapola by letting it fester under the guise of political correctness. Let them lie in their bed, even it means aryans vs. muslims.

SouthernGent on October 30, 2007 at 10:13 PM

3rd time? You guys bailed out half of Europe once and did it half assed after Hitler wrecked it and after you were attacked by a common enemy. Good job.

Craig,

That’s the trap.

Very good points in the Apologist’s comments here, as well. Makes me dubious about what the future holds for Europe. But then, I’ve been dubious for a while.

Why not?

It’s their land. Can’t they decide who comes in?

I’m sure the Native American’s regret their immigration policies.

The “ideological test” is more what I care about (e.g.: Islam being anti-Bill of Rights), but if people don’t want ANY immigrants, that’s their good right.

It’s their land.

Their ideas of “race” are scientifically absurd and historically / intellectually repellent.

But their wish to preserve their own lands is their good right.

They just need to frame their argument without the bile.

If they somply said:

“We are full. We don’t need any immigrants.”

-that would be reasonable enough a rationale for me.

Just leave the neo-nazi/fascist crap out of the equation.

It’s not only irrelevant, it’s repulsive.

In the words of Zaphod Beeblebrox: “Aw, BELGIUM, man!”

The anti-jihadist movement in Europe is however in danger of being taken over by racist idiots

The Apologist on October 30, 2007 at 10:44 PM

How are the racist idiots going to take over? Do you think that they are in the majority? Of course if they get ray-guns from one of Dennis Kucinich’s UFO’s they could do it while still being in a small minority. That did not occur to me until just now, so maybe you are right. And of course if they have imprisoned Robert Spencer and replaced him with an evil clone that would help too. Oh no!!! They will be taking over in America soon too!!! I better build another moat around my house.

No offense but I think I’ll put “a little more weight” on Diana West’s analysis than I will on yours.

That much is obvious MB4.

Europe is not being taken over by Nazis

Nobody said it was. The anti-jihadist movement in Europe is however in danger of being taken over by racist idiots and if you followed the links you’d see that. But you go ahead and put “a little more weight” on Daina’s analysis. Don’t bother listening to or watching the plainly racist speeches in the links. If Diana says so, it must be so, and damn your lying eyes and ears for testifying against her.

Diana is wrong.

The Apologist on October 30, 2007 at 10:22 PM

No offense but I think I’ll put “a little more weight” on Diana West’s analysis than I will on yours. Hey, maybe that’s just me.
BTW, Europe is not being taken over by Nazis or by the Ori either. That is ridiculously. Al Gore’s Global Warming is more credible.

What is a crypto-Nazi?

You call me that again and I’ll punch you in the goddamned head

We should refuse to bail out Europe for a 3rd time. They enabled a lot of this islamic crapola by letting it fester under the guise of political correctness. Let them lie in their bed, even it means aryans vs. muslims.

We’re better than that. There will be many innocents under those sandals and bootheels. If we can help in that day we should.

MB4 on October 30, 2007 at 10:14 PM

Diana is wrong. The neo-Nazi designation is meant to underline the racialist tendencies of Vlaams Belang’s leaders, not simple anti-semitism. And opposing jihadis isn’t enough to let you in my bed. Bin Laden hates the Saudi government and so do I, but I want democracy and he wants a more Islamist tyranny. We aren’t on the same side. I want a free Europe, but not a Europe for native ethnicities only. You should follow the links in Allahpundit’s post. These are Fascists in Anti-Jihad clothing. We don’t have to associate with them.

I think maybe you mean “tendencies of Europeans”,

Good point.

Insightful. In your secenario, what happens to Europe’s Muslims? What will the “new Nazis” do to draw us in?

Dunno. It’s a least a decade away and that’s too far to determine specifics. Way too many variables among the three principal actors: Jihadists, Fascists, and the willfully blind Left. Two things you can count on are the instincts of Fascists and the willingness of the European population to turn their eyes from horror if they aren’t immediatly and personally threatened.

It’s a recipe for a repeat of European history. People seem to think WWII was an aberration in European history, but it was par for the course. The last 60 years of Pax Americana has been the abberation. And these days the seams are showing in the European peace in ways that we can’t really solve . It’s not imminent, but it is inevitable. At least, in my judgement it is.