Poll: Majority opposes DREAM Act

posted at 12:47 pm on October 30, 2007 by Bryan

Imagine that: Americans don’t support granting illegal aliens benefits that citizens can’t get.

A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that only 22% of voters support the proposal introduced by Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL). The Dream Act would have given legal status to children of illegal aliens who complete two years of college or military service. That low level of support is very similar to support for the “comprehensive” reform measure that failed in June.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of all voters oppose the Dream Act concept. Republicans oppose it by a 5-to-1 margin and unaffiliateds are opposed by a 3-to-1 margin. Democrats are a bit more evenly divided—49% opposed and 31% in favor—but Nancy Pelosi’s party certainly doesn’t provide a base of support for the Dream Act.

It would have also granted in-state tuition rates to illegals, a benefit that a citizen who lives in, say, Pennsylvania, can’t get at a Maryland university.

And 59% opposes…? That’s an awful lot of nativists and racists to contend with. Better crank the smear machine up to 11. Or, you know, just realize that most Americans understand the difference between legal and illegal immigrants, and act accordingly.

Fueling opposition is a concern that passage of the bill would encourage more illegal immigration in the future. The view is held by 68% of the nation’s voters. The Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 15% disagree and 17% are not sure. Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans, 76% of unaffiliated voters, and 55% of Democrats believe that passage of the Dream Act would encourage more illegal immigration in the future.

So a majority of Democrats are in the “nativist” camp. Who knew?

I’m not sure which is more shocking: That so many open borders pundits blithely smear a majority of Americans who disagree with them, or that Congress actually responded to the majority’s wishes for a change.


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That so many open borders pundits blithely smear a majority of Americans who disagree with them, or that Congress actually responded to the majority’s wishes for a change.

Is the DREAM Act actually dead? I thought Dems were going to try again.

amerpundit on October 30, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Major kudos to Michelle and HotAir for being almost the only ones to cry out about this travesty being reintroduced. I don’t know why conservative radio and many of the other blogs/sites were in the dark or didn’t address this, but we dodged a bullet b/c of certain peoples’ complacency this time around. Not you guys; thanks.

RW Wacko on October 30, 2007 at 12:57 PM

immigration reform pathway to citizenship dream act recurring nightmare

The Race Card on October 30, 2007 at 1:00 PM

NumbersUSA has been on top of the immigration issues continuously. If you haven’t signed up with them you need to be.

JimK on October 30, 2007 at 1:01 PM

This is great news. This wasn’t an easy issue to “be against,” unless you took the time to look into the details. Then it was almost a no-brainer. If busy people outside of the blogosphere took the time to learn about this, then Hillary Clinton ought to be very worried. People won’t be too busy to look into her either.

JiangxiDad on October 30, 2007 at 1:07 PM

Oh My! There are SO many bigots who we need to tell to “shut up!”

Clark1 on October 30, 2007 at 1:08 PM

Those polls can’t be true! Nancy Pelosi says the American People want this!

ctmom on October 30, 2007 at 1:11 PM

JimK on October 30, 2007 at 1:01 PM

Thanks; I’m not signed up with them but checked in with them frequently during the lastest debacle to see how it was progressing. Will go ahead and sign up.

RW Wacko on October 30, 2007 at 1:13 PM

Those polls can’t be true! Nancy Pelosi says the American People want this!

ctmom on October 30, 2007 at 1:11 PM

And Harry’s friend Tommy wants it, too!

amerpundit on October 30, 2007 at 1:18 PM

A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that only 22% of voters support the proposal introduced by Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL). The Dream Act

any guess on how many of 22% were illegal ???
did they take the survey in spanligsh

Mojack420 on October 30, 2007 at 1:24 PM

And guess what? They are going to try for amnesty again with the Agriculture Bill

GogglesPisano on October 30, 2007 at 1:34 PM

One reason, maybe, for 22% support for DREAM Act is that many of us can emotionally sympathize with the hurting kids of illegal aliens, who basically did not have a choice in the matter. Now, these kids are here illegally, thanks to the bad choices of their parents.

To be clear,

I oppose the DREAM Act and I oppose amnesty or any form of rewarding people who break the law with the gift of USA citizenship, etc.

I oppose any form of amnesty because it is a violation of the rule of law.

I am only saying this DREAM Act is an emotional issue. It emotionally tugs at the heart simply because we all know decent kids with lousy parents.

This article stated the following:

Here’s the sad reality: kids pay a big price for having lousy parents. If dad commits a murder and goes to jail for 20 years, he’s separated from his family. Is that the fault of the system or the fault or the murderer? If you have a single mom and she’s too lazy to work for a living and ends up sponging off of everyone else, the kid is going to be poor and embarrassed by the situation. Whose fault is that, the system or the parent? If the parents have terrible moral values, get a divorce, or just plain old aren’t good parents, the kids get hurt by that. Did the system create those problems or did the parents?

And if you come to the United States illegally, you’re putting the kids you have here or bring with you in a bad position because the law requires you to be deported if you’re caught (and that has been the case for a long, long, long time). So, the problem these kids have isn’t the law, it’s that they have lousy, irresponsible parents. If they cared more about their children, they wouldn’t have put them in this position in the first place.

I agree.

Emotionally, I can readily identify with these hurting kids. But the fact that amnesty has already been given to illegal aliens 7 times SINCE 1986 provides another reason for my opposition to all forms of amnesty, even the Dream Act. I believe there are far sinister elements in the USA who are more than willing to play the emotional card of “look at the hurting kids” in order to justify yet another amnesty. These same sinister elements are evil, and they only want to profit from the impersonal and immoral system of illegal immigration, and ultimately, they do not really care about the hurting kids.

ColtsFan on October 30, 2007 at 1:37 PM

GogglesPisano on October 30, 2007 at 1:34 PM

you know what they say 6 times a charm……..

wait a minute don’t they have a visa just for Agriculture workers but people figured it out cheaper to hire illegals not do what is called for by the visa program.

Mojack420 on October 30, 2007 at 1:43 PM

No sh!t Sherlock!!!!!

Winebabe on October 30, 2007 at 1:43 PM

I have a dream act 12 to 20 million ALL illegals going home.

Mojack420 on October 30, 2007 at 1:47 PM

Doing the jobs Americans don’t want to do?
Maybe, but if Americans were given free food stamps and free medical for doing the same work, my bet is there would be Americans standing in line for these jobs.

leanright on October 30, 2007 at 2:14 PM

Durbin is up for election in 2008.

If the Republicans can’t cause use this and his calling US troops Nazis to run this bast*rd out of the Senate, they deserve to be in the minority.

georgej on October 30, 2007 at 2:34 PM

I want someone to explain to me how this is cheap labor…after you include all their entitlements the governments have handed out to these ILLEGAL ALIENS. And that does take into account the loss of jobs to American citizens and lowering of pay.
I’ll pay 15 – 20% more for produce picked by an American citizen, no problem.
Numbers USA is a great way to keep on top of what’s going on with this battle to save our sovereignty. No cost, they only ask contributions if you can afford to contribute.

oldernslower on October 30, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Wow…I am so *whelmed* by this news…color me shocked.

DakRoland on October 30, 2007 at 3:30 PM

The idea that my son Nick, who was born and raised in CA would not be eligible for in state tuition or the Dream act; we moved from CA when he was 12, just makes me crazy. So crazy in fact that when he applied to colleges, he did not apply to any CA college.
I’d be damned if we were going to pay out of state tuition for a kid born in the state of CA when illegals get to claim in state tuition. It makes me sick.

Babs on October 30, 2007 at 3:50 PM

want someone to explain to me how this is cheap labor…after you include all their entitlements the governments have handed out to these ILLEGAL ALIENS.

It’s cheap for the businesses that employ them and pay then under-the-table wages. The expense is on the government, and thus ultimately us.

Bigfoot on October 30, 2007 at 4:20 PM

oldernslower

You fell for one of the classic traps of the illegal worker issue.

The labor cost for planting, harvesting and pack and ship of the crop is only a minor part of the bill and wages paid to the labor portion do not reflect in the top line retail cost in a direct ratio.

Of course the farmer (which are by and large corporate farms now) wants the lowest labor cost he can have but it is an overblown issue as to end user costs.

Citizens won’t work the jobs simply because in many cases they can’t make ends meet on what is offered.

I can remember when kids would actually “earn” money for college or a car or whatever and thus learn the value of a dollar earned for a dollars labor.

The larger costs of farming are land mortgages, property taxes, seed costs, fertilizers, water expense, gas / diesel, trucking costs , containers, farm equipment etc. oh and crop insurance.

When I see farmers on a medium size farm having their crops rot in the field (they say because the illegals are afraid of ice won’t come) and then say well I offered 7 bucks and hour and still no body wants to harvest I say DUH.

So you want to let 1.2 million is sunk costs go down the tubes as a tax loss because you don’t want to spend 18,000 buck instead of 8000 to get the crop to market.

They only budge when the price for the crop rises enough to cover their additional labor costs which is only in small percentage increases to recover the small additional labor increase.

If illegals would do it for 5 they are happy , when the illegals dry up they offer 7 which nobody will take , they offer 12 and guess what people show up.

His labor cost goes up, but the price of the product changes by 1/2 of 1% or .05% almost lost in the roundoff error so your 15% increase talk is music to the middle mens because they say hey joe we gotta a live one here we can rake it in from. And they sure will take advantage of it if they can.

What is stupid is that if the price of lettuce goes up then it competes with foreign lettuce that’s how markets work unless you restrict imports artificially (like sugar which here is over twice world prices)

Funny how we can import lettuce for nearly the same price as growing our own and labor costs there are near .40 per hour compared to our illegal 5 or offered 7 or need to pay 12.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 4:41 PM

Lets take something closer to home, your lawn.

Assuming for argument you have just a lawn , no calculations for landscape plants trees etc.

Now to take care of the lawn you have seed, fertilizer, bug treatments, water expense, mower costs , edger cost, weed eater costs, leaf blower cost, leaf bags and gasoline or electricity to power the tools.

Average without a big boy toy riding mower may 5 or 6 hundred tied up in equipment. Leaf bags per season maybe 20 bucks unless you have a lot of clippings and leaves. Gas lets say 60 a season. Equipment costs are spread over how many years the stuff survives the war.

So the annual cost of the equipment and supplies to cut the grass are still a small portion of the sodding, fertilizing, pest control and water to maintain the yard.

Sod it a couple grand for an average yard, and unless you are good at growing it maybe even replace it every 5 years or so. Fertilizer maybe 100 to 200 year, pest control self done 60 per year depending on your pest threat level where you live water ranges from 30 to 100 per month depending on water costs and just how much you choose to water. Also we could add in the cost of a lawn irrigation system if you have one.

Looking at all that with you as free(slave) labor the cut, mow , clip and blow portion of the bill hits maybe 6 to 7 % of the monthly cost.

Let the guy down the road mow it, you drop all the equipment cost and pay his labor. But then you don’t have the wear and tear on the equipment or you and you can spend your time on that honey do list. Peace in our time!

Any way you deal with it the labor/equipment cost is not going to be a large chunk of the overall cost of the yard unless you splurge for Cindy’s Bikini Gals Lawn Service.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Of course if you opt for the add on service of Cindy’s Lawn Fertilizer service , Motto “We Spread Em So You Don’t Have To” , then you can just forget about that Peace in Our Time.

CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 5:09 PM

If we forced the employers of illegals to subsidize or fully pay for their housing subsidies, food stamps, medical care, worker’s comp, educational costs to educate their children, and actual utilities (some may get reduced utility bills due to income) – employers would make sure to hire legal citizens. Until we cut off welfare and other benefits to the illegals we will not see them leave or wages increase for anybody. When they show up asking for benefits – it should be mandatory to divulge the name of their employer so we can bill them, or here is a one-way ticket home for you and your family. The price of services will increase substantially for some things, pennies on the dollar for food – but the savings overall will be worth it long term.

24K lady on October 30, 2007 at 6:14 PM

the shamnesty next battle

Mojack420 on October 30, 2007 at 6:36 PM

Remember, remember, come election in November,
the shamnesty debacle and plot.
I have not a muse why the shamnesty ruse
should ever be forgot.

Woody

woodcdi on October 30, 2007 at 7:44 PM

“Fueling opposition is a concern that passage of the bill would encourage more illegal immigration in the future.”
“…just 15% disagree..”

“The view is held by 68% of the nation’s….”

Fifteen Percent (15%) don’t think so.
Yet the 68% “agree” and the 17% who are “not sure” together we total 85% who AGREE!!!!. BUT they can’t make a FINAL decision? 85%??? Now thats a HUGE number.
.
as for the kids-

play the emotional card of “look at the hurting kids” in order to justify yet another amnesty.

If we could honor the 14th amendment as a real part of the Constitution, obey the 14th amendment as written, we would NOT have this problem much longer. Anchor babies are NOT and should NOT BE LEGAL CITIZENS. Not now, nor EVER AGAIN.
The parents would stop sneaking kids in illegally in such enormous numbers.

shooter on October 30, 2007 at 9:42 PM

???cut a paste, err.. cut and missed maybe. Oh well.

shooter on October 30, 2007 at 9:43 PM