Open thread: The “everyone nukes Hillary” debate! Video: Richardson sucks up to Hillary; Video: Obama raps Hillary over archive secrecy
posted at 8:37 pm on October 30, 2007 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on MSNBC. “For the second presidential debate in a row, Hillary Rodham Clinton can expect to be everyone’s punching bag,” writes the AP, which is reason enough to watch. Obama’s been promising to go on the offensive; if he ducks her this time, his supporters will be exasperated and the perception will be that he’s soft. What’s more interesting is how she fends him off. Does she play the damsel in distress by intoning about how his campaign is supposed to be about hope, not attacks? Or does she surprise everyone by showing a little steel for the fence-sitters leery of a woman as C-in-C and go on the offensive herself by nailing him on his “semi-gay” semi-celebrity supporter, Donnie McClurkin? That would be a shrewd, easy way to get to his left on a hot-button issue for the benefit of the base.
If you’re watching, you know what to do. E-mail us if you see something clipworthy, please.
Update: Something to chew on while you wait.
So I was down in DC this past weekend and happened to run into a well-connected media person, who told me flatly, unequivocally that “everyone knows” The LA Times was sitting on a story, all wrapped up and ready to go about what is a potentially devastating sexual scandal involving a leading Presidential candidate. “Everyone knows” meaning everyone in the DC mainstream media political reporting world. “Sitting on it” because the paper couldn’t decide the complex ethics of whether and when to run it. The way I heard it they’d had it for a while but don’t know what to do. The person who told me )not an LAT person) knows I write and didn’t say “don’t write about this”.
More (Bryan): Chris Roberts, a frequent commenter here at Hot Air, is on the scene at Drexel U and is liveblogging the debate. He’s sitting a couple of rows in front of The New Republic’s rep, fwiw. I asked him to ask TNR why Franklin Foer never returns my phone calls.
Update: Hi, I’m Bill Richardson and I’d really, really like to be Hillary’s vice president.
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If the Dems and the Good Guys continue to incessantly bash her, she will have to be on the defensive for the next year, and we won’t have to hear about her fantastic plans for America.
Might be a good thing.
HarryBalzac on October 30, 2007 at 8:45 PM
I think I will actually listen to this debate just to remind myself of what big government types want to do to this country.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 8:48 PM
Edwards and Boy George were an item in 1984. Did coke off George’s gut.
that’s what I heard, at least.
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:00 PM
Interesting update.
JammieWearingFool on October 30, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Such a tease. Since it hasn’t already been splattered all over the news, we can safely assume it’s about a Democratic candidate. If it were a Republican, we’d be nauseated from the replay by now.
thedecider on October 30, 2007 at 9:06 PM
We’ve got rising health care.
Someone shoot it with a bb gun, dammit!
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:06 PM
I hear Mike Dukakis in Barry’s voice.
Mike Dukakis as played by Jon Lovitz.
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:07 PM
Unless that “Pubbie” was Giuliani. The qualifying “leading” also rules out the lefty nutroots’ favorite RINO.
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 9:07 PM
Hillary is an angry motormouthed harpie tonight.
Too much Starbucks…
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Obama: If we don’t talk about it it doesn’t exist
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:16 PM
And that’s different from any other night how? :-)
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Hillary: Pass legislation specific to George Bush and Iran that infringes on Constitutional aurthority invested in the President.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Ah crud, I tried to watch it via the web but msnpms won’t let me watch it! Uknown error. Phooey, I’ll have to wait for the one hour delay on XM.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:18 PM
Did she paint on her eyebrows?
Mofugger on October 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Are they essentially campaigning against president Bush?
Funny if so
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Edwards: NEOCONS! Be afriad of the NEOCONS!
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM
you can listen to cspan.org.
I don’t know what effect piping Hilly through your computer will have.
She is nuts. They all are.
Carrots, sticks, carrots on the table. Sticks…
BLA BLAH!!!!
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM
you know, this would be a perfect opportunity or Hot Air to initiate the chat room! So much more efficient, imho.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM
These idiots think Bush is a bigger enemy than Iran.
Truman, Kennedy and Johnson must be spinning in their graves.
Drew on October 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Doh! c-span! Completely forgot.
Thanks a lot! :)
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Edwards: (getting confused) Neocons. neocons neocons neocons. Stand up to BUSH. No march for War!
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Did somebody amend the Constitution so that President Bush is running for a third term?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Richardson wants to negotiate with moderate students not Ahmadinajahd (however you spell it).
Yeah, students, that’s the plan.
Drew on October 30, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Richardson: Sabre-rattling. I’m an ambassador. Diplomacy works.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:22 PM
The NEOCON language!
IT IS AN EVIL TONGUE!!!
Chris and Joe? What?
Soooo, our Senators are now negotiating with terrorist states?
Will Pumpkinhead Russert ask them about this?
CARROTS STICKS! NEOCONS MADE UP LANGUAGE!
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:23 PM
So I was right, without even listening to it initially, they Democrats are running against president Bush! Hilarious!
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Liberals bashing Liberals,this should be good,
maybe Hillary will wear a low cut top to confuse
Obama.HAha.
canopfor on October 30, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Kuchinich: International Law supercedes American Soveriengity. Stand up for constitution. (me: seems kinda contradictory)
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:24 PM
Carrots, sticks, tables, sabers…
I gots me the makins of a meal!
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:25 PM
Obama: Politics of Fear = kills civil liberties.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:26 PM
Biden: Makes a good point against Iranin invasion. Nice.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:27 PM
Is Obama on drugs?
Seriously.
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:28 PM
If for some bizarre reason we faced a threat from New Zealand would all these
clownscandidates be telling us that Australia was the real problem?RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Bill would you like a pat on the back? No sir I can do it myself
Mofugger on October 30, 2007 at 9:30 PM
I think it would be fitting if John Kerry made a guest appearance just so he can use his “I have a plaaannn!”
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:31 PM
If this wasn’t so scary it would be absolutely hilarious.
Drew on October 30, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Kuchinch: I’m insane.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Good idea Dennis, let’s completely disarm and show the world our credibility. I’m sure nothing could go wrong there.
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Does anyone think Kucinich is seeing UFOs right now during the debate?
I do.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:33 PM
Mrs. Clinton would rather have the military to sever drinks and cater party’s at the white house
Mofugger on October 30, 2007 at 9:35 PM
Here comes Barukakis again.
Convene a meeting of Muslim leaders?
He is a friggin idiot.
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:36 PM
Hillary and the Three Dwarfs?
Obama, Silky and Spacey?
MB4 on October 30, 2007 at 9:36 PM
Coutler was right about Ewards at CPAC
Mofugger on October 30, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Democratic Candidates: We own defeat.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Don’t tell the Paul-Nuts that; they want a share.
Wait a minute; most of them will support the Rat in the general election anyway.
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 9:40 PM
Do we really need to know it’s a hot stage on a cool night?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:41 PM
I liked Edwards lecturing everybody on honesty.
Friggin incredible.
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Steveegg,
Indeed.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Lord help us, I think Biden is the most responsible person on that platform.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:41 PM
BUSH IS NOT RUNNING!!!!
I just watched a 40 minute Democratic Press Conference on Senate votes and what Bush is doing to stop their plans….in 40 minutes I did not hear one challenge/rebuttal to anything the Repub. candidates have said.
BTW – Edwards is tearing Hillary a new one so far but calling here out on some specific issues
HILARIOUS
LordMaximus on October 30, 2007 at 9:42 PM
Brians Williams and Emmitt Smith are in competition for mastering the butchering of the English language.
benrand on October 30, 2007 at 9:42 PM
RW,
That’s one of the wonders of TV personalities, when its their time on the camera, it’s all about them.
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Citizen activist Hillary? Is that when you and BJ were smoking the pots while burning your bra?
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Hillary: I have no executive experience. (waves hand) Ohh! Look over here at my non-responsive answer!
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:45 PM
Wow, it’s all Hillary! all the time tonight.
Drew on October 30, 2007 at 9:45 PM
Obama: BUNDLED MONEY!!!
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:47 PM
No wonder these guys wont attack Iran. They are too afraid to even take on Hillary. And they are getting their hats handed to them by someone who is so easy to defeat
William Amos on October 30, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Dang! Why did Barry walk right up to the bundled money and chicken out?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Edwards: The system is broken. I believ in the tooth fairy. Clinton is the Establishment man. Will we ensure the CHILDREN get better than we had. (what pap)
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:50 PM
Clinton: Imma take a lot of money from the fat cats
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 9:50 PM
I can’t get in on the debate live-blogging fun because I don’t have cable, but I want to place my bet on the juicy story that the MSM is sitting on. Hillary did Whoopie, or somebody of the female persuasion.
smellthecoffee on October 30, 2007 at 9:51 PM
And Dodd’s clock proves it. At the first commercial mark:
Hillary 9:48
Obama 5:37
Edwards 5:37
MSNBC moderators 3:50
Richardson 3:29
Kucinich 3:00
Dodd 2:56
Biden 2:42
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 9:51 PM
Barry O has his own scandels. He has some money that he doesnt want looked at
William Amos on October 30, 2007 at 9:51 PM
so the Supreme Court is crooked ?
palefaced on October 30, 2007 at 9:52 PM
I’m going to take ten billion dollars from these guys-HRC
Was she going to do anything with that 10 billion or was that her new campaign finance plan?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:52 PM
Did I hear bundling?
Mofugger on October 30, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Is the debate still going on? It’s 4am here and this might be just what I’ve been looking for to cure my insomnia. Or will it give me nightmares? Hmm…
tikvah on October 30, 2007 at 9:55 PM
I recommend the open threads myself.
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Kucinich (with a straight face): I like turtles!
Weebork on October 30, 2007 at 9:56 PM
If it’s 4:00AM tomorrow this should be the perfect start to Halloween for you.
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 9:57 PM
Is Dodd’s basic campaign message…”Look at me! I’ve got white hair damn it! I was born to be President!”
Drew on October 30, 2007 at 9:57 PM
MSNBC Video not available
Cspan – refers you to MSNBC
CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM
been that way since 9pm EST for me ..simply a no go
CommentGuy on October 30, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Silky loves the CHILDREN. C’mon…how can you NOT vote for that?
dont taze me bro on October 30, 2007 at 10:02 PM
scum dog. 9/11 has been reduced to ” a noun a verb and 9/11″
so we should forget ? oh, they have forgotten
palefaced on October 30, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I’m liking the way Russert keeps using Bill against Hillary. That’ll be useful next year.
Bryan on October 30, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Obama: Social Security is a sound program. Until more people retire than work. (me: so, a generational ponzi scheme is sound economic policy in Obama’s head? yikes)
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 10:07 PM
Yuck. I got the MSNBC video working, but I can’t stomach it. Is Hillary always this angry? I hope she stays that way. Night, ya’ll.
tikvah on October 30, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Obama: The rich must pay a bit more than their fair share…
Then wouldn’t that be, by definition, unfair?
Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Obama and Clinton on SocSecurity reminds me of the scene from “Police Squad” where Frank Dreben is standing in front of the still-exploding fireworks factory saying, “There’s nothing to see here.”
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Uhm…errr…Donnie McClurkin is gay. Trust me when I tell you. My gaydar is infallible. I don’t think everyone needs to come out, but “celebrities” don’t need to say one thing and do another either…well…he IS a democrat so it’s not surprising.
SouthernGent on October 30, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Brian Williams: Don’t I look good. Look at my jaw. And my eyes. Watch them glint as I dramtically rip my glasses off my head.
VolMagic on October 30, 2007 at 10:10 PM
I think he actually said “the rich must pay a bit more OF their fair share
That’s even stranger.
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Second break talk-o-meter update from Dodd’s campaign:
Clinton 14:58
Obama 12:49
Edwards 9:09
MSNBC 8:29
Richardson 5:14
Dodd 4:44
Kucinich 4:24
Biden 4:07
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 10:19 PM
Edwards wants to investigate oil companies. Don’t they do that like every year and find that price is tied to surprisingly (to socialists like these idiots) supply and demand?
Drew on October 30, 2007 at 10:19 PM
But, but, but I thought the Dhimms were in favor of higher gas prices. Oh, that’s right, they’re in favor of higher gas prices only when they’re the sole beneficiaries.
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Boston Legal is on now too. Is there a Bush bashing comparison counter between it and the debate anywhere?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 10:22 PM
If not, start one up.
steveegg on October 30, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Does Dodd say he wants higher gas prices because otherwise people can’t afford alternatives?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Yeah, that’s true, I think he did say that. I just extrapolated given that paying more OF one’s fair share doesn’t even make logical sense. I’ll assume that the Messiah just stumbled on his words b/c he seemed to flub through that entire answer, but indeed what he said was even stranger.
Oh, and hearing Edwards talk about energy conservation with his house is grand. And I love how he wants to rebuild New Orleans according to central planning. Nothing builds community like tell people how to live.
Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Hillary!: we shouldn’t give people their tax money back, we should be investing it into money holes like universal (fill in the blank)
Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:29 PM
He did sound like he was fumbling through the whole answer. It could be nerves because of the daggers headed at him from his immediate right.
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Obama:
There is an evil building in the Cayman Islands… it must be destroyed!
BKennedy on October 30, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Krazy Kucinich.
It seems to me the main theme of this debate is “MORE GOVERNMENT! BIGGER GOVERNMENT! GOVERNMENT HUNGRY! FEED ME!”
BKennedy on October 30, 2007 at 10:33 PM
How did a question about hedge funds consistently turn into an answer about how bad the Iraq War is?
Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:35 PM
If this is a lightening round how about keeping the question under 30 seconds too?
Where’s Gravel by the way?
RW_theoriginal on October 30, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Richardson: We are behind in education compared to the EU, the countries in China and India
Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:37 PM
You can’t hold them to 30 seconds… they have far too many programs to suggest! Add in the need to mention Iraq, and time is short.
Wineaholic on October 30, 2007 at 10:38 PM
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