I’ve posted a few times recently criticizing those who proclaim that there are no good Muslims, and have been flamed. Could not get anyone to agree with me on that one point even.

I agree with you. It’s just that they are good in spite of the literalist interpretation of the Koran that so many of their co-religionists espouse. Central Asia used to be a lot calmer than it is now after all the Saudi cash flooded in. Some people just want to get on with their lives, they neither want to act in a supremacist manner against others nor do they want to confront the doctrinal violence at the core of their faith. How many we just don’t know. I would think “significant minority” should replace “tiny minority” at the very least.

Hmmm, maybe we should start doing the same to Democrats – ignore them and maybe they’ll go away, or just pretend they don’t exist (and refer to them in an abstract/vague way, if need be)

LOL!

- The Cat

Is it really fair to say to any Joe Schmo who happens to be Muslim to denounce Islamic terrorism?

Perhaps not, but it is fair to expect them to do so and to suspect them if they do not.

*And as a note, even CAIR renounces terrorism on its website. The problem is that when you begin to understand Islam itself, (as well as noting CAIR’s support of Hamas), it is then impossible to believe they really mean it.

To me that’s like saying, on a far lesser scale, that every time those morons, who happen to be call themselves Christians, protest at military funerals, all people who call themselves Christian need to denounce those whackjobs.
sweeper on October 30, 2007 at 1:17 PM

We do.

A divide is emerging on the presidential campaign trail over battling terrorists: how exactly to label the fight. While Democrats tend to talk about terrorism in general, Republicans increasingly pin the threat directly on Islam.

Let’s be clear here: Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists have been Muslims.
They’ve also been young males who adhere to extremist ideology.

Unless and until 60-year-old Lutheran grandmothers of Nordic ancestry start hijacking and flying planes into buildings, it is perfectly appropriate for the GOP to tie Islam to terrorism.

Didn’t we learn the perils of talking in generalities about terrorism during the Clinton years? The Taliban destroyed virtually all of Afghanistan’s non-Islamic cultural heritage and yet not once did Clinton or Maddie “Notsobright” talk about the atrocities with the specificity that was required.

RW Wacko on October 30, 2007 at 11:51 AM

You say you are flamed by those who say there are no good Muslims and esp. on FR. There are those who say that on every forum and blog and they do the cause no good whatsoever. However, I have been one of the most outspoken about the problem of Islam itself on FR. It’s very important to make a distinction between the ideology itself and human beings who have the ability to make choices (discounting, of course, the idea that renouncing Islam makes one an apostate). Make sure you understand the difference as well. I refuse to discuss the issue with freepers or anyone who runs around the Internet yelling things like “kill all Mooslimbs!” Fortunately, for the most part, I’m seeing that kind of stuff die down some.

A good example of what I’m talking about.

2Brave2Bscared on October 30, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Very good article.

Agreed.

A good example of what I’m talking about.

2Brave2Bscared on October 30, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Very good article.
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I have some friends that are Muslim, although I don’t hang out with them or even see them anymore, it’s not because of any other reason then we just drifted apart. When I first met them I was suspicious of them but as I got to know them they were some of the nicest most respectful people I have EVER met. The problem was when two of them, after 911 started going back to the West Bank, they would return a different person. They would talk about getting back to practicing their Religion and staying true to it. Each trip they would return with more HATE in their heart. I have learned quite a lot about Islam since 911 and the article linked above pretty much sums up Islam in a no nonsense light and explains what it is to be a “good” Muslim. Thanks for a great article.

sweeper on October 30, 2007 at 1:17 PM

That’s when I get into trouble here and from the Freepers. People always challenge me to name moderate Muslims. Duh, I can name a bunch, including two of my best friends, one from childhood (I don’t have many) and one of my closest neighbor families. But no, that doesn’t count. Nor do heads of state, members of parliament, etc etc. They all denounce terrorism, and consider themselves loyal Americans.
Then people tell me they are not really Muslims then, b/c real Muslims are forbidden from the Koran to put anything above Islam. Well, geegollygosh, maybe these folks are actually trying to move beyond 100% strick Fuc**ng interpretation of the Koran and move into the 21st century. Isn’t that what we keep criticizing Muslims for NOT doing.

Let me be clear: I’m not saying that there are no good Muslims, and neither is Robert. He says, and I agree, that we need to hear from the peaceful Muslims more, and we need CAIR to unequivocally oppose terrorism or stop pretending that it doesn’t have unsavory associations. We also need to hear truth about all of this from both political parties.

Bryan on October 30, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Where will we hear them? Is it really fair to say to any Joe Schmo who happens to be Muslim to denounce Islamic terrorism?
To me that’s like saying, on a far lesser scale, that every time those morons, who happen to be call themselves Christians, protest at military funerals, all people who call themselves Christian need to denounce those whackjobs.

And as for CAIR, is there anyone who believes a word the say? I think jihadwatch is head and shoulders above most websites, (present company excluded of course) but if I didn’t visit that websites, I would never even hear about CAIR.

A good example of what I’m talking about.
2Brave2Bscared on October 30, 2007 at 12:27 PM

One of the best, thx.

Buzzy on October 30, 2007 at 12:50 PM

I was more expounding on your original point than anything else, but thanks for the sarcastic, condescending response.

2Brave2Bscared on October 30, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Yeah, I figured that out all by myself on October 23rd, 1983, but thanks.

Buzzy on October 30, 2007 at 12:32 PM

“White power Christians” aren’t very good Christians at all, just like being a peaceful Muslim doesn’t make you a “good” Muslim — that’s the point.

Let me be clear: I’m not saying that there are no good Muslims, and neither is Robert. He says, and I agree, that we need to hear from the peaceful Muslims more, and we need CAIR to unequivocally oppose terrorism or stop pretending that it doesn’t have unsavory associations. We also need to hear truth about all of this from both political parties.

Bryan on October 30, 2007 at 11:54 AM

I would add that we need to NOT hear from the peaceful Muslims that it is America’s fault (via our policies, etc.) that the radical Muslims are committing acts of terrorism.

Since I refuse to stand up and defend the “white power” Christians I have to wonder at the Muslims who do defend the Islamofascists.

From the muslims’ own scriptures,

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Therein Lies THE problem.
Until something is done about the wording, translation,or understanding of their ‘recital’ of submission or death to all infidels, nothing…NOTHING can be accomplished in any measure to stop the jihadi killers and jihadi killings.
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Muslims, it is your turn, the (gum)ball is in your court.
> WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?