Hot Air TV/YAF Video: What is Islamo-Fascism?
posted at 10:36 am on October 27, 2007 by Bryan
This is part two of Hot Air’s and Young America’s Foundation’s coverage of Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week at George Washington University. YAF’s Jason Mattera asked a few folks who protested David Horowitz’s speech under a “Peace not Prejudice” name for their thoughts on whether “Islamo-Fascism” is a valid term that ought to be used to distinguish jihadists from everyday, law-abiding peaceful Muslims.
The woman at the end volunteers an f-bomb, so here’s your friendly neighborhood language alert.
Here’s part one: Jason’s interview with Adam Kokesh.
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I’m gonna walk around with a big red hand shaped mark on my forehead for the rest of the day because of the responses these tools were giving. Thanks a lot, Bryan.
Savage on October 27, 2007 at 10:43 AM
could this kid not take of his hat even when talking to a priest?
zane on October 27, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Just. Wow.
stonemeister on October 27, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Why does he need to take his hat off exactly?
EnochCain on October 27, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Savage has it right. Liberalism is a mental disease. These people can’t think in a straight line. As a public school teacher I apologize for my entire profession.
Mojave Mark on October 27, 2007 at 10:51 AM
I find it funny these people have such trouble calling the terrorists what they are yet they have no problems with labeling our govt. as fascist etc.
EnochCain on October 27, 2007 at 10:51 AM
The stupidity is pervasive and breathtaking.
flipflop on October 27, 2007 at 10:51 AM
And I thought stupidity of that level (the priest and rabbi especially) was only limited to The View.
lowandslow on October 27, 2007 at 10:58 AM
These folks NEVER answer the question asked them. They can’t. Instead they have to launch into unrelated drivel.
The minute someone doesn’t address my question, he/she labels himself/herself as a liberal idiot.
tickleddragon on October 27, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Wow. These people are just willfully ignorant of reality.
Mattera did a great job.
krabbas on October 27, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Talk about stuck on stupid.
Gatordoug on October 27, 2007 at 11:20 AM
Keep on filming, Jason. Good stuff.
Whereas Horowitz elicits instant negative reactions rightly or wrongly, radio host Dennis Prager seems to have hit the right tone with his on-campus speech the other night.
Bacchus on October 27, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Prager is a brilliant speaker.
Gatordoug on October 27, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Scary thing is, these people are our future democrat leaders
tomorrow. It is so frustrating when none of these idiots can not even answer a simple question. Mojave Mark is right, liberalism is a mental disease. The brain circuitry
is totally fried in these people. Ann Coulter is right, you can not reason with a liberal.
Vanquisher on October 27, 2007 at 11:26 AM
This should have been headed, “Saturday Stupid.”
Texas Nick 77 on October 27, 2007 at 11:27 AM
I get it.
It’s the nebulus, non-descript, chaotic, not-associated with-the-koran-at-all, really, really bad stuff happening that is sort kinda a threat but can be disarmed if we simply be nice and understanding.
But chimpy mchalliburton is waaaaay f*ing worse!!
Clear as mud. Like leftist thinking.
locomotivebreath1901 on October 27, 2007 at 11:31 AM
This whole Islamofascist Awareness Week was a brillant idea!
Thank you David Horowitz. This is an intellectual “surge” of college campuses that was long overdue.
The far left are on the back foot and on the defensive as they try to defend the indefensable.
They will parse the term Islamsofascism and then call anyone to the right of Ralf Nader a fascist.
They are Exposed!
RobCon on October 27, 2007 at 11:40 AM
I don’t get it. How can these lunatics separate the Terrorists’ Goal, which is to convert the world to Islam, from ISLAM? The rabbi said that it was a cultural issue, not a religious one… *cough, cough, BULLSH*T, cough* It might be a cultural thing to the Rabbi, but it certainly isn’t a cultural thing to the Islamo-facsist terrorists!!
Now that I’m all worked up, I’m going to use that energy to shoot some quail. It’s opening weekend down here, and a stunningly beautiful day, to boot!!
pullingmyhairout on October 27, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Just as bin Laden said, people have no difficulty recognizing a strong horse. Modern Christianity is weak, American Judaism is weak, western culture is weak. To certain herds of sheep, the left appears to hold the upper hand, so they ally with them, and are protected by the left as long as they swallow the Kool-Aid each day- like these silly protesters and clergy who have no factual command of the issues. My fear, and I see it being realized in the number of “western”, especially European converts to Islam, is that their fear, absent a western shepherd, will drive them into Islam’s waiting arms.
JiangxiDad on October 27, 2007 at 11:46 AM
And, as I have said before Leftists are morally retarded.
Gatordoug on October 27, 2007 at 11:55 AM
As a Catholic, I was pretty dissapointed in that priest. Where did they scrounge him up, Our Lady of Purpetual Appeasement? Pope B would not approve.
Dirthead on October 27, 2007 at 11:57 AM
I am stunned. These people, including the priest and rabbi, are truly tone deaf. The warning cries of the oppressed and the threats of the facist go unheard by these ostridges. Their devotion to Political Correctness is just not rational. They will accuse those of us who will not submit of racism and lying right up to the point were the Islamofacist attempt to cut their heads off! May God help us all.
Zorro on October 27, 2007 at 11:58 AM
What a bunch of LOSERS demoncraps are. Dear Lord, I pray that these people wake up from their demon induced coma and become aware of their stupidity. This stupidity has infected even some rabbi and priests. Evil can infect anyone.
WildBillK on October 27, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Every once in awhile you have to walk away and say what a goof ball
KBird on October 27, 2007 at 12:21 PM
1. Just why does the interviewer believe Islamofascists kill “indiscriminately?” That is a rather peculiar word to use.
2. “Dude, man, you’re, like, labelling people! That is sooooo uncool! Do you, like, work for Fox News or something?” This is the drivel you get from college students. It should be expected.
3. By all means, please introduce me to some “peaceful, law-abiding” Muslim that will happily excoriate another Muslim that is doing precisely what the Koran instructs.
Islam is the world’s biggest street gang. It operates just like a street gang. And no gang member is allowed to give thoughtful consideration to any non-member…otherwise he or she is in big trouble. Doubt it? Read the Koran.
thejackal on October 27, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Hmmm… soo….
The Rabbi…
Islam dictates how you will live, and what rules you will follow…
How does that NOT impact your culture?
How can you divorce Religion from the culture you live in?
And this guy teaches a College class???? Wow… he is in the middle of the Islamic / Jewish dialogue?
And the Priest… still stuck on the DARK AGES… you know.. we called them the DARK AGES for a reason… we in the West have kinda moved past that…
And the rest? They are uninterested in facts… they just want to spout rhetoric…
Sad…
Romeo13 on October 27, 2007 at 12:21 PM
What’s funny is that these people he interviewed think they speak for the majority of Americans. I have one word for them: BAAAAAAAH!
whtabtbill on October 27, 2007 at 12:24 PM
I think you are dead wrong. There are always people like this, and they constitute the majority. They are easily led/swayed. You cannot reform them, you must lead/teach/protect them.
JiangxiDad on October 27, 2007 at 12:25 PM
should be “easily misled”
JiangxiDad on October 27, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Forest Gump could teach these people a lot!
abinitioadinfinitum on October 27, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Unfortunately, my little Polish priest spouts the same garbage. Tolerance for the sake of tolerance. I wish Pope Benedict would recall all leftist American clergy to Rome for re-instruction.
Connie on October 27, 2007 at 12:39 PM
I don’t really disagree with what you say, but does’t that kind of sound like what facists, communists, slave owners, etc believe?
WildBillK on October 27, 2007 at 12:43 PM
It’s because they are a bunch of self hating idiotic liberal pos. If this country was run by Nazi’s and fascist they sure in the hell wouldn’t be opening their pie holes and sniveling like that all the time. They would have been rounded up and imprisoned or killed and they know it.
Not let’s look at the term islma fascist
What are the common denominators?
1. is Islam itself
2. is they are fascist by their very acts
know thy enemy
Mojack420 on October 27, 2007 at 12:47 PM
All these nuts are simply opposed to any label that they personally don’t like. They don’t mind positive or negative labels at all. It’s just that simple.
nottakingsides on October 27, 2007 at 1:01 PM
Here is where the old-fashioned virtue of making a value judgment is required. Remember when it was still allowed?
Yes, evil strongmen mislead. Have faith that you and yours, civilized, decent, with a conscience, morals, ethics, and a strong sense of right and wrong, will do much better. Absent value judgments, a comment like yours could be easily misconstrued, especially by a younger, or stupider, or more easily led person, as implying that it’s all relative, or as they now say, “it’s all good.” Nope, it’s not all good. Somethings are much better than others. It’s high time we start saying it. Funny, I have Ann Coulter to thank for reminding me to speak my mind. Through PC indoctrination, I had gotten out of the habit.
JiangxiDad on October 27, 2007 at 1:12 PM
The Rabbi would rather cut his tongue out than label someone an Islamofacist. The priest needed to morally equivocate.
I would have liked to ask the priest to name three Christian terrorist attacks in the last 5 years and, ask the Rabbi that if the violence is culturally motivated, as he claims then, what would he call it? Chlorine bombs on innocent shoppers in Iraq. What would you call that? Especially if the group claiming responsibility calls themselves the “Islamic Army” or “Jihad for Iraq’ or some such.
The fact is that neither the priest or the rabbi want to broach this subject. They just don’t want to talk about it.
Babs on October 27, 2007 at 1:15 PM
Yep, and you “can’t fix stupid” especially when it comes to the looney-left!
Liberty or Death on October 27, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Excellent videos! It’s interesting how only a few simple, straightforward questions can tie those people into such tight knots that they’ll never be able free themselves so long as they remain devoid of reason… and sanity, at least in the case of the last girl.
FloatingRock on October 27, 2007 at 1:29 PM
Liberals have sh*t for brains. So says my amygdalae.
georgej on October 27, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Well said. The refusal to judge, to discriminate, to make fine distinctions where people’s values and cultures are concerned, is the heart of Extreme Pluralism. And that heart pumps the blood of contradiction. The central performative contradiction in Extreme Pluralism is the belief that all truth is contextually bound, except, of course, that truth. They make a universal declaration about truth while at the same time exempting their own declaration.
“Isn’t that discrimination?” – female Muslim’s backup
Why yes, yes it is. Let’s talk about why you think that is all bad.
deesine on October 27, 2007 at 1:58 PM
A priest, a foul-mouthed moonbat, and a rabbi go to protest a David Horowitz speech…
Goog stuff, HA/YAF!
tikvah on October 27, 2007 at 2:22 PM
GoogGood stuff, HA/YAF!tikvah on October 27, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Muslim Women’s Rights
WildBillK on October 27, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Such a simple intellectual trick, and yet it has tied us up in knots for a generation, at least.
My brother-in-law is a liberal psychologist with a high IQ– he works for the V.A. He can dazzle with words, and can adopt a “caring” persona that effectively masks his aggression. Although I no longer discuss politics with him, when I did, he would often come back with things like, “Oh yes, I see those kind of sentiments in my middle-aged patients. It’s very typical for you to think the way you do because of the moment you are in.” He never had any factual info. to back-up his point-of-view, and never responded directly to the topic at hand. He always would attempt to discuss how I must be feeling. My opinions and facts were unimportant to him. He merely wanted to ascertain my “position of bias.” i.e. white male, suburban, western, etc. He was convinced that invalidated my value system, and offered it as proof that there are really no such things and that they are therefore not to be defended.
Here was a “very highly educated,intelligent person” using his position and power to de-construct and demolish the underpinnings of our civilization. And of course, this is a common story, and people like he are replete in our society.
Their BS is so good and hi-fallutin’ sounding that although it’s deadly, it’s easy to fall under their sway.
JiangxiDad on October 27, 2007 at 2:38 PM
Denial the Truth.
Embrace stupidity.
These people would deny Islamo-Fascism even when they getting their head chopped off
Kini on October 27, 2007 at 3:26 PM
JiangxiDad,
It’s a bad situation, but in the last 5-7 years I sense a real turning against this extreme postmodern nihilism — against extreme relativism, contextualism, and constructivism. I’m referring here to philosophers and writers, not their students. As Jerome Bruner has pointed out, unitas multiplex is still the rule: there are various universal or deep features to human existence, as well as various local or surface features, and we have to honor both, instead of losing oursleves merely in the relative, constructed, diverse, and different.
Bruner: “Languages differ, but there are linguistic universals that make access into any language easy for a child. Cultures differ, but they too have universals that speak to the generality of mind and probably to some general features of its development. Unitas multiplex may still be the best motto.”
This issue — the validity of unitas multiplex (or universal pluralism) — is crucial, not only for cultural studies in general, but for spirituality in particular. The standard argument of the constructivists — David Katz, for example — is that there can be no perennial philosophy, no transcendental Reality, no universal Spirit, because there is no universal anything, period. (Except, of course, for his own claim, which he maintains is universally true — the performative contradiction.)
I’ve gone through many dozens of books in the last decade, and what I’ve noticed in all of them, across dozens of fields, in a stronger and stronger way, is an unmistakable revolt against relativity and constructivism. Scholars are increasingly recognizing that behind extreme relativism is nihilism, and behind nihilism is narcissism.
There’s room for hope: we just need to find a way to expedite the “trickle down effect”, a way to inform our brothers-in-laws about the good news. I would like to continue with what you said about feelings, but I’m afraid of topic drift and taking up too much space.
deesine on October 27, 2007 at 3:38 PM
That’s the first piece of good news I’ve heard on this topic. I don’t read the stuff you do, so I don’t see any parts of society where what you are beginning to see is reflected. People like me just sort of woke up and overthrew our intellectual overlords, or at least no longer allow them on our property. Perhaps they ought to tell their creations that they’ve changed their minds. It hadn’t occurred to me until I read what you wrote that one of the things our society might need is some new philosophers who can begin to repair the damage. You busy?
JiangxiDad on October 27, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Did I hear that chick right?
???? Her poor grammar, indicating probably a poor education, leves it a little vague. But I did I hear her admit she was calling someone a liar without proof? That is how i interpretted it.
El Guapo on October 27, 2007 at 5:57 PM
i would like someone to defend inviting Nick Griffin to speak at the IFAW in michigan.
anyone who knows of griffins past would be rightly disgusted at his invitation. The man has a history of Holocaust denial and the party he now leads was originally founded by a neo nazi.
zane on October 27, 2007 at 6:08 PM
So in other words, this goes with the assertion that liberals want to talk about and get recognized (and re-elected) based on their good intentions, and not their results?
El Guapo on October 27, 2007 at 6:08 PM
zane
I know nothing about Nick Griffin. But given how the left is so quick to blanket-label anyone conservative who demands anyone able to “get a job and stop mooching off my tax $$” a neo-nazi or racist, but yet will not do so with the real fascists and racists themselves who are openly and actually preaching and practicing hate, I won’t jump to to any knee-jerk/ignorant conclusions on this one.
El Guapo on October 27, 2007 at 6:16 PM
zane
And after a few paragraphs of wikipedia, assuming it was not corrupted like some other wiki-entries by nut-cases with nothinbg better to do, how is this any different than the left and even the DNC inviting Imams and other “hate-mongers” who are under investigation for financial ties to terrorism, and who are even recorded on video preaching hate agaist Zioists, infidels, and Jews?
The DNC had a prayer led by such a person not so long ago! What is your take on that?
El Guapo on October 27, 2007 at 6:22 PM
zane and for the record, I condemn anyone or any organization allowing such people to speak for or represent them.
El Guapo on October 27, 2007 at 6:27 PM
Sadly my Methodist Minister spouts the same garbage too. I think think all of our society’s cornerstones have been subverted by our enemies.
Buzzy on October 27, 2007 at 6:48 PM
JESUS CHRIST!!!!
Agrippa2k on October 27, 2007 at 7:13 PM
That’s not Young America’s Foundation, it’s Young Americans for Freedom — a different YAF. It’s a very easy mistake to make, confusing the two because they sound so similar, but they are different organizations. IFAW was sponsored by the Young America’s Foundation; Griffin’s speech wasn’t part of IFAW and was sponsored by the other YAF.
Bryan on October 27, 2007 at 7:17 PM
well done by the YAF
ThackerAgency on October 27, 2007 at 8:18 PM
It is a political euphemism used in place of the word Islam to refer to Muslims who are not to varying degrees apostates.
MB4 on October 27, 2007 at 8:29 PM
The deck is stacked against us. Every time there’s an “isolated incident” of a person who claims to be a Muslim blowing up and/or shooting people of the kufr variety, we’re told that the overwhelming majority of Muslims have nothing to do with the atrocity in question.
Fair enough, the overwhelming majority of Muslims should get to be called “Muslims”, and the teeny minority of people who claim to be Muslims and commit these acts get to be called ______?
Please fill in the blank. Give us a name that acknowledges that these people claim to be Muslims, but distinguishes them from the ones who don’t kill people in the name of their religion. If the rabbi thinks he’s not allowed to name them, fine. Let’s get CAIR to tell us what we’re allowed to call these people.
In writing, please.
The Monster on October 27, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
MB4 on October 27, 2007 at 9:51 PM
Impressive work. Amazing that the YAF crew could suppress their laughter . . .
Ali-Bubba on October 27, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Jason’s exposes on these traitors is brilliant. Having said that, I disagree with the term Islamo-Fascist for precisely the reason Jason mentions – trying to distinguish ‘mainstream’ Muslims from Fascistic Muslims. There isn’t much of a difference – those Mohammedans who aren’t blowing themselves up are just quietly increasing the political clout of these advocates of Shariah by simply increasing Muslim numbers in bilad ul Qafir, and Islam itself is little different from Nazism.
Drop that moronic term Islamo-Fascism. Robert Spencer and Hugh Fitzgerald are right in calling it Jihad, but even that misses the larger threat that Islam poses. After all, public footwash basins at Dearborn university or Minneapolis Airport isn’t a Fascistic demand in itself, but how many of us in our right minds would support it?
The enemy ain’t just Islamo-Fascism. It ain’t just Jihad. It ain’t just Shariah rule.
It’s Islam, Stupid!!!!
infidelpride on October 28, 2007 at 12:56 AM
Are feminists really that ignorant of real oppression?
They think they’re oppressed in the US…gimme a break. Get a passport and get a clue.
Zach on October 28, 2007 at 2:02 AM
A drunken priest, a paranoid Rabbi, a stoner intellectual and a nasty Lefty Lesbian walk into a bar………
Hening on October 28, 2007 at 7:09 AM
pc if it continues to fester in america it will destroy our great country.call things and people what they are for GODS SAKE
rpower57 on October 28, 2007 at 10:44 AM
How great would it be to have Jason do a regular weekly spot on the CBS, ABC or NBC news.
I can see their control rooms now. Sparks popping out of their control boards, cables shorting and springing across the room, ceiling tiles falling and the hot-line ringing off the hook.
Oh well, back to reality.
oakpack on October 28, 2007 at 2:22 PM
I have yet to find a word or phrase that best describes these insane men who blow themselves up and kill and behead other than ISLAMOFASCISTS.
If there is a better word out there to describe them, please let us know.
I like the adjectives “dead” “prisoner” “surrender” and “near-vegetative state” too, but ISLAMOFASCIST is a good “running descriptive” of these types.
Black Adam on October 28, 2007 at 6:31 PM
I don’t know what kind of Christianity that priest thinks he belongs to, but last time I checked, it wasn’t Christians running airplanes into buildings.
Trtle2001 on October 29, 2007 at 1:19 AM
Islamofascism is our contemporary Pandora’s Box.
Propaganda techniques project our contemporary Tower of Babel.
Today we read of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah who blames the US and UK for not taking care of the very things HE won’t do to demolish terrorism. If a warning only consists of “look out, something’s brewing” then how is one to specifically react?
We mere citizens, not in the real know, go flapping in the winds of verbal exchanges between world leaders.
Regarding terrorism and impending doom being the world’s rationale for WAR WITH IRAN, why would we allow ourselves to stage in today’s terms the colossally miserable WWI mannerisms and techniques involving grandscale unnecessary loss of soldiers’ lives and demoralization of democracies world wide?
Though Muslim and living in a fascistic theocracy, enough of the Iranian people are NOT fascists.
EXPERIENCE IS A GREAT TEACHER BUT A FOOL WILL LEARN BY NO OTHER.
What of the UK Empire experiences, with America, Australia, Canada, Africa, or India for examples?
What of the French Indochinese experience?
What of the US Vietnam experience?
What of the French Algerian experience?
What of the Russian Afghanistan experience?
What of the US/ally Iraqi experience?
What of the Israeli Middle East experiences?
What are the expectations?
What fails and what succeeds?
We appreciate that today the Iranian government and al Quaeda are waging their war against the West, USA in particular, in Iraq AND EVERYWHERE with exported/imported terrorism.
Given an object, a person or body of people to necessarily eliminate in order for our nation’s survival, then let that be known and be done with it. But beware of claims and finger pointing because all news is propaganda, pro or con.
Obviously, we should clean our own house before setting up shop abroad. Organization determines the standard effect. Where is our border security? Where is the ENFORCEMENT of our laws protecting citizenship requirements? Where are our taxes, legislators, judges, and executors undermining our CONSTITUTION and the true responsibilites of those employed and participating in government? If our government fails at home, how can it presume to succeed outside?
Those with the private or personal means to play God in globalizing world politics should beware usurping our government’s responsibility to protect CITIZENS from abuse.
Given, in war our allegiance is with our troops, and our Commander in Chief’s obligations are with our troops, NOT AGAINST THEM. Hence, Pres. Bush must personally accept the ultimate responsibility in any battle confusion rather than prosecuting those obedient members of the military carrying out missions according to training. When politics determine military tribunals, hope is lost. The current court martials based upon false testimony from the enemy (including the US media) equate to the Duke team members assasination of character inflicted by a corrupt political district attorney and whoring accusor.
The doom of fascism permeates every society, blurring vision. The Constitution is our common point from which comes our strength, wherein there is originally no fascism.
maverick muse on October 29, 2007 at 10:20 AM
That ignorant, post modern fool should be treated with special reverance? My guess is that “priest” is from a middle eastern nation and his ethnicity is more important to him then his faith or the truth.
peacenprosperity on October 29, 2007 at 10:58 PM
If the majority of Americans are only half as ignorant as the people in the video clip we are all doomed.
paulsur on October 29, 2007 at 11:19 PM