And they were absolutely right. Not that you really care about uncovering the truth…

If you think LGF is politically correct, you have rocks in your head. And I don’t care for the accusation that Loundry is a “follower of Satan” simply because he doesn’t believe in God.

The “conservatives” at MSU-YAF have pronounced LGF a “pro-Muslim, left-wing, politically correct” blog.

And they were absolutely right. Not that you really care about uncovering the truth…

Loundry on October 29, 2007 at 5:17 PM

Your ignorance is astounding.

I have followed some more about the worrisome rise of political parties with shady and questionable credentials such as the BNP, Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats on sites like Hot Air and Little Green Footballs, and there’s more available here…

I have followed some more about the worrisome rise of political parties with shady and questionable credentials such as the BNP, Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats on sites like Hot Air and Little Green Footballs, and there’s more available here and ….

In 1984, Reverend Jerry Falwell made this statement about the Metropolitan Community Church on his Old Time Gospel Hour television program:

“Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church. Almost accepted into the World Council of Churches recently, the National Council of Churches, almost, the vote was against them, but they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is that they would yet one vote Because they are spoken of here in Jude as being ‘brute beasts’ that is going to the baser lusts of the flesh to live immorally and so Jude describes this as apostasy. Thank God this vile and satanic system will one day be utter]y annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.”

If a “respected” Christian can make such a statement about gay Christians, then why can’t a Christian here, ANY OF YOU, make a similar statement about Nazi-apologist Christians?

Despite how much I disapprove of mystical superstition in general and Christianity in particular, I would applaud any Christian who would call Nazi-apologists Christians “brute beasts”, because that is precisely what they are.

You do realize that George Galloway is nominally Christian, right?

And yet there is overlap between Christians and Nazi apologists.

And you do realize that the majority of the anti-Israel sentiment in the West comes from Secular Humanists, right?

And yet there is overlap between Christians and Nazi apologists.

Your criticism has no meaning.

Certainly you can feel that way as long as seeing the splinter in another’s eye is your supposed pretext for ignoring the plank in your own. Christians: will you please kick the Nazi apologists OUT of your religion? (Yes/No)

Krydor on October 29, 2007 at 3:01 PM

Similar conversation here at Robert’s site:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018588.php#comments

Is this the face you want put on your religion — one that lovingly embraces neo-Nazis?

Loundry on October 29, 2007 at 10:18 AM

You do realize that George Galloway is nominally Christian, right? And you do realize that the majority of the anti-Israel sentiment in the West comes from Secular Humanists, right?

Your criticism has no meaning. Besides, there are vanishingly few demographics that categorically support Israel’s right to exist. Evangelical Christians, the “theocons” that jummy et al. hate so much, are one of those.

Now it has suddenly dawned on us that there are probably 60 million Evangelical Christians in the United States and that they represent our staunchest supporters and friends. In fact, in recent years concern and devotion for Israel have become one of their highest priorities.

Christians that take their Bible seriously support Israel. Why? Because Israel (the land) belongs to God, and through covenant, to Jacob (the nation). The hatred of Jews comes directly from Satan and is evil. Every empire that has persecuted the Jews has been given up to destruction and/or dissolution by God. If you want to lose the support of God and gain His immediate enmity, persecute Israel. It’s guaranteed that God will oversee your destruction if you do. We are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. That isn’t a suggestion; it’s a commandment.

I don’t know what else to tell you. When push comes to shove, he’ll side with the White Supremacists, and clearly stated he would. He intentionally understated the cultural rape of a generation of Europeans. For some reason, the atrocities in the Camps against German citizens were utterly ignored. All that was done to paint the Nazis in a more favourable light.

I read what he wrote in this thread, as did you. I came away with what he said, and you are making excuses.

I will simply point you to a few of his other comments that prove he is fighting the good fight. It’s your choice to click and read – or not.

Freaky Deaky Iranian Holocaust Miniseries Sympathetic to Jews

jihadwatcher 6/28/2006 1:29 PM

europe-state-supported-churches-npr-hotel-bibles-etc

NY Sun comment

That is exactly my point. The Nazis did do exactly what he said they did not do, they purged non Aryan items from public view and kept the good crap for themselves. A building full of Aryanized garbage does not make it a museum. A room that teaches children to hate the “other” isn’t a school.

Hell, Mullah Omar had satellite TV and a freaking hot tub, but those luxuries were not given to the populace. Kim Jong Il watches the very films his subjects cannot. The ways of dictators are universal, and there is not one totalitarian system that is better by 1,000 fold.

A great deal of masterworks are still missing, because they weren’t for the public, but in the private collections of Hitler’s inner circle.

Sorry, but it’s not a question of what I think he wrote or what might be inferred, it’s actually what he wrote. I called it borderline apologia at the time, and later on it got worse.

Really? I didn’t know that Handel, Bach, Brahms, Mozart, and Beethoven were banned for being non-Aryan, and that the great artworks of Europe were destroyed for being non-Aryan. Weren’t they, in fact, looted for their value? I didn’t know that the libraries were closed to Germans and the art museums shut down for being non-Aryan. And all the statues in Paris, I didn’t know that they were destroyed as being offensive to God for being non-Aryan.

jihadwatcher

There is no way to spin it favourably, Connie. Utter whitewash of the cultural purge across Europe. A great deal of masterworks are still missing, because they weren’t for the public, but in the private collections of Hitler’s inner circle.

It’s also not a question of which classical/baroque artists were allowed, it’s a question of which ones were banned. Same with philosophers, historians and scientists. Good Aryans (and there was a list of what made one a good Aryan) were allowed, non-Aryans were unpersons and purged from the record.

I quoted what I quoted because there was no nuance and no chance for a misinterpretation.

Krydor on October 29, 2007 at 10:11 AM

In your mind. As I stated before, I don’t think it was jihadwatcher’s intention to attach all the facts about nazism to the term “nazi” when he used it. I believe he was using it sloppily to refer to the protection of the traditional culture of the land from the culture of Islamists. That and no more.

i don’t think ap has ever been anything but skeptical in his coverage of guliani vis the theocons.

jummy on October 27, 2007 at 11:43 PM

Theocons? You chump.

Besides the real nazis are long dead and gone

MB4 on October 29, 2007 at 2:28 AM

Nazism is an ideology. It lives as long as anyone espouses it. Whether or not it is “real” is a “No True Scotsman” argument.

Christians, you have some *serious* house-cleaning to do. Being anti-jihad does NOT trump all sins. The Nazis were evil and deserved to be utterly destroyed and their evil ideology ground into the dirt.

Is this the face you want put on your religion — one that lovingly embraces neo-Nazis?

I understand the point, but if you don’t let him save you, it really doesn’t matter what happens after that. We might as well just all get in line and let our enemies take us.

This is no longer about finding the perfect answer to the problem, this is about surviving to fight another day.

So, the price you are willing to pay is freedom for survival. If Nazi McKlansman saves you from Choppy el Jihadi, Nazi McKlansman wants your loyalty or you go right back on the chopping block. Only this time, your actual allies are dead or otherwise occupied in the salt mines and there will be no one to save you.

You’ve merely bought a stay of execution.

Connie & MB4

I quoted what I quoted because there was no nuance and no chance for a misinterpretation.

Nazism is still better by a hundred fold…

…If I have to chose between one or the other, my gawd, the choice is clear as crystal. And for those that say, such a choice is not necessary, I say, just wait.

He would choose one Jew/Gay/Atheist/Mentally Incapacitated/Ideologically Impure killing ideology over the other because, apparently, they have better taste in music.

The Race Card on October 28, 2007

I see! You are bored and hungover and that explains why you are you going on and on and on about…nothing! Just toss out some innuendo here, a negative inference there, float it like a trial balloon and when it doesn’t receive the desired effect you retreat into a YAWN.

MB4,

History begins this morning for you, doesn’t it? The Nazi thing is so last century!

Apparently you have missed the obvious lesson that history provides a window into the future and we ignore it at our peril.

I really am having a very hard time figuring out what your solutions are. You hate Islam but oppose the Iraq War which is fighting Islamofascists. You hate Guiliani who takes on the very liberals who create the multi-culti p.c. environment that lets Islamofascism (and groups like La Raza) thrive.

You fall for a bunch of claptrap written by Washington Monthly which portrays Guiliani as a fascist who would take away our First Amendment rights, when it is liberals who censor speech and impede our ability to prevent our culture from being overwhelmed by those who are hostile to it.

By the way, this is the chaotic environment that Guiliani had to deal with when he took office. The Assault on Public Order: How the Civil Liberties Union Goes Astray

Perhaps you could share your thoughts as to what you would have done differently.

It doesn’t, because I can’t find anything posted at LGF or HA that remotely resembles these words as written by you:

Niko on October 29, 2007 at 1:38 AM

You are taking a secondary point out of context. What you quote is not the main point to my original post. The main point of which it seems we mostly agree.

That’s illogical and factually untrue. The “true anti-Islamofascist allies in Europe” are actually in power, i.e. they sit in cabinet. The Merkel and Sarkozy governments are very actively engaged in the fight, with new laws being passed every month that pale anything that the ACLU decried in the US.

I’m not arguing this, and the thread isn’t about what Merkel and Sarkozy are doing. Yes, I see why what I said demands that you clarify, and I’m okay with you clarifying the issue in greater context.

So are you suggesting that by having these extremist groups around the Islamofascist movement is having a harder time?

I’m suggesting this in context of the one political party in question. It is you who are bringing all the parties and gangs into the debate. And, again, in the larger context I am pretty much in agreement.

Let me enlighten you: Contrary what you guys might believe the Islamists all over Europe are actually teaming up with supremacist white groups. Yes, you read that correctly.

Thank you for putting words in my mouth and then straightening me out.

What I wrote above – these supremacist groups are not only a danger because they’d kill Jews or gays if given the chance, but they actually share the same goals as Islamists.

I completely understand your point. I don’t think anyone is arguing against you on this. But the issue of the thread is one particular political party.

these white supremacist groups would be more than happy to share power with Islamists, and in the course of that expel or kill all moderate Muslims.

I disagree that supremacist groups would be happy or even able to share power with Islamists. They will be fighting each other just as much as any common enemy. Kind of like what is happening already in the Middle East between any number of factions.

But still, however detestable, this kind of red on red conflict works in our favor.