Conservative student group invites racist Holocaust denier to speak on Islam
posted at 8:49 pm on October 27, 2007 by Allahpundit
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They call themselves YAF but that stands for Young Americans for Freedom, not Jason Mattera’s group, the Young America’s Foundation. (I did a double take the first time I saw it.) An abject disgrace, and not the first time this particular chapter has “distinguished itself” by its tactics. Here’s the Wikipedia entry on BNP leader Nick Griffin. Like I said about Ron Paul accepting that donation from Don Black, he can’t be blamed if he didn’t know whom he was dealing with. Did YAF know whom it was dealing with in Griffin? A-yup:
Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate. Bristow said he doesn’t believe in many of the ideas Griffin has preached, particularly his alleged denial of the Holocaust, but does agree that the Islamic faith is a threat to America.
I’m guessing that the prevalence of Holocaust denial throughout the Middle East wasn’t part of Griffin’s critique. Charles advises the group to repent and apologize; given their culpability, I’d say it’s already too late for that.
The left will enjoy this story, of course, presenting as it does an opportunity to spin some lazy Olbermannesque “Larger Truths” about conservatism out of the fiasco. That’ll be a neat trick in one sense, as their usual complaint about us vis-a-vis those “New York money people” Wes Clark worries so much about is that we’re too cozy with them, not that we’re too antagonistic. Do savor the irony, though, that it’s LGF — the blog to which they so often maliciously attribute BNP-ish attitudes — that was the first to post on this. It’s of a piece with some of Charles’s other posts lately chronicling the slimier aspects of certain European critics of Islam, starting with this and more recently here. Read them both. These turds may sound like Ayaan Hirsi Ali in one sense, but whether they’d even be willing to receive her given her skin color is an open question. Shamefully, like YAF with Griffin, at least one righty blogger knocked Charles for writing those posts. All movements, political and otherwise, eventually face the temptation of “enemy of my enemy” logic. It’s seductive; it’s human nature. Resist it at every turn.
Update: The “conservatives” at MSU-YAF have pronounced LGF a “pro-Muslim, left-wing, politically correct” blog. Perfect.
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Trick or Treat!?
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Actually, my 3 1/2 grandson loves scary movies, so we watched The Exorcist. ;)
A head spinner, much like this thread.
Connie on October 28, 2007 at 1:12 AM
actually, no. you have suggested that “we” ally with one death cult against another.
and that’s all the time i have to spend on you.
jummy on October 28, 2007 at 1:12 AM
3 1/2 year old (sorry)
Connie on October 28, 2007 at 1:13 AM
Thomas,
Firstly, you are splitting hairs. The legal status of a political party is irrelevant.
Secondly, voting in a dictator and a dictator seizing power still means you have a dictator. The real violence doesn’t come until after they take power, anyway.
Thirdly, the BNP has had some issues with being less than polite in the past.
Krydor on October 28, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Yeah, and both groups are ones I want nothing to do with.
Bad Candy on October 28, 2007 at 1:16 AM
This will be all over BBC, you can be sure.
RobCon on October 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM
And where did I outright support or align with death cult, or radical right winger?
Connie A 31/2 y.o watching the Exorcist!? That is brace. was it the new directors cut (longer) version?
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM
Anyone who finds muslim fundamentalism to be morally equivalent to other historical ideologies is a useful idiot of the enemy. Anyone who finds anti-islamic and anti-immigrant views to be morally equivalent to anti-semetism and the Holocaust is a useful idiot of the enemy. Anyone who finds bigotry and racism to be the moral equivalent of misogyny, beheadings, and clitorectomies is a useful idiot of the enemy. Lots of useful idiots, even on the conservative side of the fence.
This is why the Left controls the political discourse in all western nations. They act as a block on these fundamental questions. But the rest of us, the Right, is fractured between those that are willing to get into the ditches and get dirty to get the work done, and those morally superior minions of good conscience amongst us who wouldn’t dare - lest they be soiled by such distasteful association. For them, the inherent strength and apparent sanctuary of western civilization still affords them the luxury of magnanimous moderation.
jihadwatcher on October 28, 2007 at 1:24 AM
The point I was trying to make, is by ignoring sensitive or un-PC issues that need addressed because you are afraid of radicals labeling you as a radical and MSNBC/CNN running with it or alienating voters, you allow these problems to become worse (look at New Orleans nad Lousiana, and France, The Netherlands, etc) and then the other radicals get fed up and eventually surface because you failed and allowed the problem to grow.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:25 AM
I think they control it because that is all the cable media covers, and anyone trying to challenge them is assaulted, shouted down, or their event is petitioned and canceled, save a few that sneak thru.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:30 AM
What about Nazis and Radical Islam? They both want/wanted the extermination and conquering of anything not like them. That seems very similar to me, especially since the Nazi party was actively working with Palestinian and other Muslim leaders.
I think/hope you were referring to those nut-jobs, and the Iranians calling guys like me, maybe you, and Bush, etc, those who dare to stand up against anything “radical (which is not Islam), a Nazi. Basically pure ignorance and history revisionism.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:34 AM
“That is brace.”
Not sure what that means. The last time he was here, we watched King Kong (the original). He thinks scary stuff is funny. Actually, whatever version we watched was chopped horribly, although it still caused me to gag when the green stuff was vomited.
I am not really being OT here. The reason I brought it up was that watching Linda Blair’s head do a 360 is not dissimilar to what went on in this thread and I would suggest that everyone take a breather before commenting further.
Connie on October 28, 2007 at 1:34 AM
(which is not Islam) should have read “(which is NOW Islam)”
Huge type error! Sorry.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:35 AM
Connie I meant to say, “that is brave”.
I agree there seems to be a couple misconstrued thoughts. But I think most are East Coast and went to bed by now. So unfortunatley, any clearing up will probalby not happen. I am not happy that someone, some how misunderstood me t obe siding with right wing extremists and called me a nazi, when unlike LT Dan, i had a family member, including myself, fight and survive every war since the Revolutionary War.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:39 AM
Anyone who finds muslim fundamentalism to be morally equivalent to other historical ideologies is a useful idiot of the enemy…
Jihadwatcher
Just call me a useful idiot of the enemy, then. Muslim fundamentalism has its very roots in the worst of 20th century ideologies. It is undoubtedly morally equivalent on every level to Fascism and Communism.
Krydor on October 28, 2007 at 1:41 AM
Just WHERE did I apologize for him?
What centrist conservative are you referring to? If Rudy? lol. I think you must have lost me there.
Thank you for the banana, but if you are thinking that I will give you an iPod or iPhone in return, I wasn’t born yesterday.
I think that you are seeing a lot of what is not there.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 1:42 AM
Nazism is still better by a hundred fold. At least the Nazis weren’t mutilating the vaginae of their own children. Nor were they banning western music, western art, western literature, western education. They were not living in filth and scientific ignorance wallowing in their own sorrow. Nor were they forcing women to cover their faces in public or banning them from schools. Nor were they telling you how to wipe your ass, how to pray, how to eat, or the myriad of life-constraining directives found in the koran.
The muslim ideology prescribes all of that PLUS the killing of the Jews. Even without the Jews, the muslims are coming for the West. We are all infidels.
If I have to chose between one or the other, my gawd, the choice is clear as crystal. And for those that say, such a choice is not necessary, I say, just wait.
jihadwatcher on October 28, 2007 at 1:44 AM
Krydor
I see the similarities, except for Islam using religion, and communism condemning it. But the Nazis also blamed the Jews for the death of Christ among other things so their ideoogy could be argued as very similar to radical Islam/Islamofascism - religious or at least disguised as religious.
But then again, I went to a HS and college that was not overrun by liberal “PC/sensitive thought”, but in contrast was provoked and inspired (and greaded) to bring forth and debate controversial thoughts/issues.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:45 AM
I’ll second that.
Bad Candy on October 28, 2007 at 1:45 AM
You need to visit www.jihadwatch.com and learn about the roots of islam. All of what we see expressed by the terrorists and the extremists, can be found in the directives of the hadith and the koran which, I do not have to say, far predates the 20th century. Ask Robert Spencer. He has dedicated his life to telling the world exactly that. And that man is a featured contributer on this site.
jihadwatcher on October 28, 2007 at 1:48 AM
yep.
i think unfortunately that this…
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/20/audio-ron-pauls-radio-buddy-melts-down-over-neocons/
…is the best we have to look forward to. sort of makes you think its time to call in a false fire alarm before the “real conservatives” can do any further damage.
jummy on October 28, 2007 at 1:48 AM
I do. But then I don’t have a lynch mob mentality.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 1:50 AM
Not better, maybe just not as extreme. They still brainwashed their youth and tried to create a Spartan or perfect human. But even some Nazis are allegedly on record saying that they were appalled or surprised by the gruesome things that the Muslims woud do to “infidels” (like live decapitaions). I would not say they were better, I would just classify them as not as religious/dogmatic/evil.
The only difference is that Hitler was allowed time to do his evil thanks to politics. Radical Islam hasn’t yet performed its world wide cleansing of infidels. Yet. Unfortunatley, i think we are going to have to see them act first, as always, before the blaming ends and someone actually does something.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:50 AM
I’m East Coast, but still up. However, I think I’m going to go do a puzzle on jigzone.
Labels are thrown around too easily these days. Anyone who calls anyone a nazi on this forum is beyond the pale.
Connie on October 28, 2007 at 1:51 AM
Nazism is still better by a hundred fold. At least the Nazis weren’t mutilating the vaginae of their own children. Nor were they banning western music, western art, western literature, western education.
jihadwatcher
You, sir, have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
The only thing the Nazis were “better” at than the Muslim Fundamentalists was Jew killing. They banned everything that wasn’t Aryan. Where did you come up with this junk?
Krydor on October 28, 2007 at 1:53 AM
Correct. Unlike most other countries, military officers in the United States of America take their oath to the constitution, not the president. That was not an accident.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 1:55 AM
I dont know if i misunderstood you, but i think you just proved my point. I am all against right wing extremists too. Which is why i think it is important to fix these social issues (problems with radical islam) before they get even more out of hand and the other extremists get fed up and act on their own (which will be bad).
And thus you just labeled me as a lynch mob, or extremist. This is why politicians and other people are afraid of calling the problem for what it really is. Look at Bill Cosby, he tried ot get at the root of the problem and he was called a sell out and a White Puppet by his own race.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:55 AM
And jummy still failed to tell me where I have allied myself with other extremists or blood-cult/death worshippers.
I am not picking a fight. I sincerely want to know where you misunderstood me.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:56 AM
Maybe it was in some alternate dimension/universe. Some people here tonight seem to be able to see into those, or think that they can anyway. I worry about them.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 1:58 AM
Dingdingdingdingding! you just won this evenings prize! AllahPundit tell him what he’s won!…. Another Banana! LOL
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:58 AM
Good point by the way MB4
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 1:58 AM
Crazy, isn’t it?
Bad Candy on October 28, 2007 at 1:59 AM
Give that man a cigar.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:00 AM
Really? I didn’t know that Handel, Bach, Brahms, Mozart, and Beethoven were banned for being non-Aryan, and that the great artworks of Europe were destroyed for being non-Aryan. Weren’t they, in fact, looted for their value? I didn’t know that the libraries were closed to Germans and the art museums shut down for being non-Aryan. And all the statues in Paris, I didn’t know that they were destroyed as being offensive to God for being non-Aryan.
jihadwatcher on October 28, 2007 at 2:02 AM
jihadwatcher is right. However, nonetheless, I must stress the ignorance in labeling anyone American and who wants to stop Radical Islam as a “Nazi” because it was the Nazis who allied themselves with Muslims in the ME because of their shared hatred of Jews. We (melting pot Americans) don’t want anyone exterminated or deported or converted. We just want America to remain America, and all this “infidel” crap to end before it successfully attacks our soil again. And believe me they are constantly trying.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:07 AM
Jummy you still awake?
This is true debate here. Don’t make an accusation and not back it up, apologize, or at least say you misunderstood me. That would make you a far left liberal like Media Matters.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:11 AM
Cool I just heard a gunshot, I love Las Vegas and Harry Ried!
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:13 AM
You did misunderstand.
I “labeled” you as the recipient of a “lynch mob” mentality.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:15 AM
When the terms fascist and nazi and allocated so contemptuously and easily by the Left to denigrate the anti-islamic, or anti-immigrant sentiment, you’d think that right-thinking people wouldn’t also engage in that nonsense - thereby validating Godwin’s Law - right here on the conservative side.
But they do. It’s an emotional response to which many people are beholden. Kind of like with BDS.
jihadwatcher on October 28, 2007 at 2:15 AM
I was deployed in Iraq when this came out so I was not aware of it. I rank PrisonPlanet along with Michael Moore. Extremist lies and conspiracy theories that just want to make a $$ on people’s fears.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:19 AM
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:19 AM
jihadwatcher I still see a contrast between us and the left. WE relate Nazis to Radical Islam because they were allied during WW2. Lefties call me and other conservatives Nazis because of a knee jerk reaction resulting in the inability to provide facts and counter our debate yet they are not able to prove that we are espousing any part of the nazi doctrine. I call it pure slander and libel, and ignorance.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:25 AM
And actually, MB4, I love talking with ya (and others, you too Jummy!), so dont get any bad vibes from me, I have been directly involved in GWOT since before 9-11 and have been following it since before my conversion to a conservative (after watching Fareignheit 9-11 and catching all the lies).
So does that make me a recipient of lynchmob mentality, or just an educated/informed voter?
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:29 AM
FYI
UPDATE on the Copenhagen demonstration: MURDER ATTEMPT ON SIOE/SIAD DENMARK LEADER AND MEMBERS
Connie on October 28, 2007 at 2:30 AM
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:35 AM
So who was it this time?
Evangelical Lutherans or Buddhist monks?
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:37 AM
Both. The often go together. Cosby got it too.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:40 AM
MB4
Cheez-Whiz weilding Wiccans.
profitsbeard on October 28, 2007 at 2:43 AM
Connie Thanks I saw that a day ago. But that supports even more my previous postings. Just like Theo Van Goe (spelling), and any other who dared to make movies or cartoons criticizing Islam, I don’t want those problems bleeding into our country, where an “infidel cannot even say “Allah” without being threatened.
Here is my real and extent of lynch mob mentality (supported by UCMJ and other American laws that allow self defense): Anyone threatening me for calling extremists out (right or left, Christian, SkinHeads, Islamofascists, etc)…bring it on. My house and myslef is guarded by Remington, Colt, Sig Saur, and militay training.
MB4 For some reason i cannot interpret your last post. Please tell me in your own words.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:46 AM
LMAO! It was the Crab People!
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:47 AM
I must strongly disagree! Lynch mobs are typically run by people like Hitler and Ahmadinijad who omit facts, distort truths, pass blame, etc. And thank God we outlawed them.
Educated voters are armed with the most important weapon that propagandists hate: all the facts and the ability to conclude on your own from them.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:53 AM
Those were my own words!
I was defending you.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:53 AM
Whoa! My bad. I thought you were still labeling me as a lynch mob.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:56 AM
Some “lynch mobs” (verbally/figuratively speaking) “lynch” (verbally/figuratively speaking) those who tell the truth. That is their reaction.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 2:53 AM
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 2:58 AM
NO!!! I never did that! I “labeled” you as the “victim” of a “lynch mob”!
And the response to the educated voter by propagandists (and some others) is often to “lynch” (verbally lynch) them as their response.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 3:03 AM
MB4 Then I would have to argue that I am not a victim of lynch mob mentality or propaganda. My education comes from first hand experiences overseas, and I don’t have the “kill them all and let God sort them out” mentality, nor would I ever convict someone before a judge, even in the media (act like a lynch mob) like John Murtha.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 3:08 AM
I get your point, MB4. And thanks for not ignorantly calling me a “Nazi”
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 3:09 AM
My original “lynch mob” comment was because I perceived Jummy to be verbally “lynching” you to a degree for sure. Kind of like Allahpundit had verbally “lynched” me (in his comment where he wanted to give me a bananna - I guess he did not understand the implication there I might add) by saying that I had apologized for “nascent fascists” when I did absolutely nothing of the kind.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 3:23 AM
NO! NO! NO!
Not that you are the victim of having a “lynch mob” mentality yourself, but that you were the “victim” (the lynchee) of someone (Jummy) who seemed to have one directed at you.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 3:28 AM
and again….
Misinderstandings both ways. Mistakes are made, always in our ever growing yet most socialy evolved society called the United States of America. But only civilized people can discuss them, acknowledge facts, and come to terms peacefully.
ah screw it! CONVERT OR DIE!!!! LOL!!!!!
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 3:28 AM
Word! And thanks.
Where you at on that one Jummy? I shall remember thee next time we meet in the intilectual, virtual world of “free, world-wide debate”.
I don’t demand an apology, I just want you to prove to me that I am a Nazi. ‘Cuz I know you can’t do it.
By the way, if it matters, besides me being a re-enlisting Iraq veteran, with a family member fighting every war since the Revolution, I am a proud American MUT! Cherokee, Black Foot, German (pre-revolution), Polish, Italian, Red Neck, Honky, Trailer Trash, chicken wing water mellon camp fire loving, pumpkin pie, potatoe pie, RUBARB PIE, “crawdad” eating, deer hunting, preppy dressing, hard working, self made, almost college grad, man made global warming debunker.
*Rant mode off*
And I just heard another gunshot. “God Bless Las Vegas and Harry Reid!”
But to stay on topic, I am an American FIRST! I want to preserve America, not change it to accomodate the intolerant.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 3:40 AM
Giuliani? A “centrist conservative?”
LOL! Sarcasm, right?
There’s NOTHING conservative about Giuliani.
Nothing.
Please don’t mistake this comment as any type of defense for Griffin or the Young Americans for Freedom. I agree with you on your stance there but had to laugh at the Giuliani reference.
Gregor on October 28, 2007 at 3:45 AM
The Nez Perce are much mightier warriors than the Cherokee and Blackfoot put together!!!
- Chief Joseph (Hin-ma-toe-yah-laht-khit) Thunder Rising in the Mountains
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 3:57 AM
Gregor
At least Guilain spoke out about the Iranian nut wanting to visit “Ground Zero”. And at Least he told the Saudi’s to shove it and turned down their sympathy $$ for 9-11. Unless I missed something. ??
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 3:57 AM
MB4 OH YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT! LOL
*Puts on war paint and sends smoke signals*
Wait! I thought they were more feaceful than the eventually civilized tribe (Cherokee)?
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:01 AM
Just like all those BUD/s, Army Special Forces, Para-REscue, etc… the warrior is in the man (hense the high drop-out rate. You either have it or you don’t. the training only brings it out of you and attempts to perfect it.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:04 AM
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:11 AM
And I also condemn our forefathers’ treatment of Native Americans. We/they were here first. How else did you expect us to act when someone tried to move into our back yard? De-de-dee!
We were here first, but everyone involved is long dead, so I cannot not technically nor legally hold any grudges. All I ask is that Sitting Bull and other Chiefs be imortalized to at least the same level as Custer.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:15 AM
The whole time I was in the Army no one ever called me, or anyone else that I know of, a warrior. It was not in the lexicon for the Army back then.
However when I was in grade school I was a warrior as that was our school teams name. For a while it was the Savages.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:15 AM
So did Joe Lieberman. Does that make him a conservative? This is the foundation of the current love affair with Giuliani. The fact that he talks tough against terrorist has somehow erased his entire history of liberal policies and turned him into the next Reagan.
Going back to my first question … I would suggest that Joe Lieberman is probably more conservative then Rudy Giuliani.
Gregor on October 28, 2007 at 4:21 AM
But he ultimately gave up in the end. I however, am pretty staunch. I am willing to die for what I believe in (hense me arming myself to defend my territory when I hear gunshots instead of moving out of the degenerating Harry Reid neighborhood). We cannot allow Islamofascism, or street thugs and liberals, to penetrate and take over or corrupt our country which was based on the separation of Church and State! Stop turning the perpertrators into victims.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:22 AM
The Nez Perce
What followed was one of the most brilliant military retreats in American history. Even the unsympathetic General William Tecumseh Sherman could not help but be impressed with the 1,400 mile march, stating that “the Indians [Nez Perce] throughout displayed a courage and skill that elicited universal praise… [they] fought with almost scientific skill, using advance and rear guards, skirmish lines, and field fortifications.” In over three months, the band of about 700, fewer than 200 of whom were warriors, fought 2,000 U.S. soldiers and Indian auxiliaries in four major battles and numerous skirmishes [and lost none of them , except the last one when U.S. Army reinforcements arrived to tip the balance].
By the time he formally surrendered on October 5, 1877 [When the Nez Perce thought that they had made it to Canada, but the U.S. Army said that they were a little short of Canada. We will never know for sure.], Joseph was widely referred to in the American press as “the Red Napoleon.”
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:23 AM
Don’t know ’bout that, but Bill Clinton was more conservative than Giuliani.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:27 AM
Gregor
I would campaign for Joe Lieberman before Rudy. Rudy is on record appointing liberal judges, etc. Lieberman is not afraid to speak his mind, and suffer the childish consequences, and turn it around and get re-elected anyways!
MB4 Are you “Native American”? What tribe? What is your sspirit guide (if you curiously ventured that way)?
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:27 AM
Bill Clinton also, refering to his adulterous past, would not surprise me to be a supporter of the Islamic subjugation of women. Not very “liberal” or “feminist”. Afterall, he does accept a lot of $$ from Saudi.
Any man who cheats on his wife and kids, I also have to ask, “who else will he so easily betray for self interest?”
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:31 AM
I am native American as I was born in America (Oregon). But no, not “Native American”, German/Scandinavian. I went to grade school on an Indian reservation, the one where Chief Joseph was exiled to at Nespelem, Washington. I knew and went to school with many of his descendants along with descendants of Chief Moses.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:41 AM
Are you talking about Bill or Rudy?
Must be Bill as you said wife, not wives.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:43 AM
MB4 cool. I had nothing recently cool like that. Just a lot of history dug up researching my family tree and talking to great-grand-relatives beforethey passed on once apon a time ago. I now just have one relative who is a park ranger and knows Blackfoot Indians on the park/reservation he works, and wants me to “experience their quest to seek my spirit guide”. As long as it does not involve any illegal drugs like peyote (according to the UCMJ), I might do it just out of curiosity.
But I too am German, actually slightly more genreations of German than Indian or anything else, but still enough indian that I could claim it as a minority, but I just check “other” and claim no benefits.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:52 AM
Ke konim nuunim titiluulekce hipewc eeye tim neenekt.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:55 AM
Dont you mean Rudy? How many times did he remarry?
Look, I dont care if he is remarried 100 times. If he never cheated, he passed my “litmus test”
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:56 AM
I don’t speak the language, as much as I would wish I could.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 4:59 AM
Ke konim nuunim titiluulekce hipewc eeye tim neenekt.
(Our ancestors would be worried about that which they had watched over) - Translation for pale faces.
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 4:59 AM
No crap, they watched and endured us taking over their nations and land, just to turn around and allow someone else to use political correctness to dismantle our country from within.
At least the tribes had understandings about mutual respect for each other’s identity and customs.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 5:05 AM
Here is a site where you can find some Nez Perce language to impress the ladies. I went to school with a Wilfred Red Thunder, I wonder if this guy is a relation.
Joseph Red Thunder
MB4 on October 28, 2007 at 5:14 AM
Sorry. I am old fashioned. They should like me for me, period. I have to work today so must sleep. Good chatting with you MB4. I must enter the sleep/spirit world!
I’ll remember you and your Nazi label you ignorantly gave me! I have the memory of an elephant when it comes to insults! I forgive much easier than I forget.
El Guapo on October 28, 2007 at 5:32 AM
The BNP is the modern inheritor of the British Union of Fascists, the pro-Nazi party in the 30s and 40s. And there are other alternatives: the UKIP, for example.
The YAF here, like most, are quite sane and cooperate extensively with the College Republicans.
rightwingprof on October 28, 2007 at 8:12 AM
To Allahpundit:
You’re kidding, right? They’re sister organizations. Period. Ask your buddy Jason Mattera what is Y.A.F. the junior’s relationship to Y.A.F. the senior.
For example, one Ron Robinson is the President of one group, Mattera’s, while also serving on the Executive National Advisory board of the “evil” Y.A.F.
His name appears on this letter:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_f_UMP3iQDAI/Rh_ENsqQAFI/AAAAAAAAAH8/kEvTm4JIvy4/s1600-h/Picture.JPG
The letter, a communication from the Y.A.F. national organization to the Michigan State chapter, is an ad of support that ran in MSU’s student daily, The State News, back in April 2007, just around the time when the SPLC, hoping to brand as racist anyone who has ever breathed oxygen, added the MSU chapter to their list of hate groups.
The letter reads, in part,
“Based on these criteria, MSUYAF’s activities can only be labeled as a pro-freedom group. National YAF applauds their activism and courage.”
http://bp3.blogger.com/_f_UMP3iQDAI/Rh_ENsqQAFI/AAAAAAAAAH8/kEvTm4JIvy4/s1600-h/Picture.JPG
This letter was written little more than six full months ago, and after the occurrence of both of the incites you cite, via a Wikipedia link, as evidence of MSUYAF’s history of “distinguish[ing] itself by its tactics.”
Any thoughts on why the president of “good” Y.A.F., Ron Robinson, is choosing to attach, or, at “best,” allowing the attachment of, his name to a letter/print ad in support of the vile MSU Y.A.F. chapter?
This really has not turned out as you likely envisioned it would, has it?
At least 50% of posters to this thread on your website are issuing outright support for the BNP.
Hell, you yourself seem disgusted at the opinions the site’s posters hold, basically admitting as much when you write,
What was all that about “kook fringe” constituencies that you’re always going on about, hmmm?
tad on October 28, 2007 at 8:25 AM
Thank you for being a good guy, a good American, fair and honest, open and brave. I appreciate what you say and do.
JiangxiDad on October 28, 2007 at 8:48 AM
What a load of crap! 50%? Get your eyes checked.
JiangxiDad on October 28, 2007 at 8:53 AM
Is 25% an acceptable? We can use that estimate. Or we both could sit here and read through 200 odd posts.
But, really, I’m sure it’s just an infinitesimal number of posters. Maybe 0.06%?
That level of support would surely explain Allahpundit’s comment-
tad on October 28, 2007 at 9:10 AM
MB4,
This is your kind of news source isn’t it!
I’m so impressed that you refer to the works of their writers, like Rachel Morris, to back up your views on Rudy Guiliani as you did on this thread here - MB4 on October 27, 2007 at 10:35 PM
I betcha you think we’ll just read your unattributed quotes without bothering to check the sources.
Buy Danish on October 28, 2007 at 9:21 AM
Read them all. More than once. Can’t speak for AP.
JiangxiDad on October 28, 2007 at 9:35 AM
There was more than a little disappointment evident in the tone of his comment.
tad on October 28, 2007 at 9:38 AM
Agreed. But his tone does not make your point.
JiangxiDad on October 28, 2007 at 9:39 AM
“The “conservatives” at MSU-YAF have pronounced LGF a “pro-Muslim, left-wing, politically correct” blog. Perfect”.
Oh, brother. Maybe it is just the MSU conservatives who are on the fringes. Either way, they have to be called out on this ASAP.
RobCon on October 28, 2007 at 9:43 AM
I’m willing to step back from my “50%” comment, as I think we’re all allowed one mildly hyperbolic comment per day.
At all events, for what reason was he so obviously disappointed? All the support he was getting on the issue? C’mon.
tad on October 28, 2007 at 9:44 AM
I don’t disagree with you about AP’s take, and I haven’t. I disagree that this is a thread loaded with right wing racist, fascist, anti-semitic hate. I disagree that this thread finally reveals the HA community to be a rabid racist lunatic fringe, and therefore discredited and no better than loony lefties. I thought that was what you were insinuating.
Although I certainly do appreciate your research about who/what YAF is.
JiangxiDad on October 28, 2007 at 9:50 AM
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