Did America’s Greatest Patriot get a $500 donation from Stormfront’s founder?

posted at 8:48 pm on October 25, 2007 by Allahpundit

Phrased as a question because there’s no smoking-gun proof but submitted for your consideration because the circumstantial evidence is compelling. The guy who runs Stormfront is named Don Black; he appears to be based in Florida. As of 2001 he was married to David Duke’s ex-wife, Chloe. There’s a Chloe Duke listed at a certain address in Lakeland, Florida; a cross-check of that address in Ron Paul’s campaign finance records reveals a $500 donation from a “self-employed/website manager” named, you guessed it, Don Black. Might there be another Mr. and Mrs. Don and Chloe Black in the same state with similar professions who aren’t degenerate racists? There might. But since the media’s conspicuously uninterested in asking questions about the Patriot’s unsavory base, let’s see if we can’t push this onto their plate and at least force them into asking this one.

Ron Paul can’t be faulted for accepting the donation if he didn’t know who it was from, but now that he knows he’s got a sewer running into his coffers it’s time to disgorge and start taking a hard look at some of the other, less savory elements who are bankrolling him. For instance, how about a maxed-out donation from America’s most notorious conspiracy theorist?

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Think he should give that back? Think he will?


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If paul had an ounce of honesty would return the money in Israel schekles.

William Amos on October 25, 2007 at 8:50 PM

Hatemail deluge forthcoming. This should reap a bonanza.

JammieWearingFool on October 25, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Between this and Clintons attack on the truthers look for a deluge of college ISPs to hit this site

William Amos on October 25, 2007 at 8:57 PM

Hey man, don’t knock Alex Jones, he uncovered the sooper sekret organization that is conspiring to eliminate 80% of the world’s population!!!1!1

Bad Candy on October 25, 2007 at 8:58 PM

He does have the support of David Duke, the neo-nazi couldn’t be far behind. Its seems like he has a knack for garnering the support of the worst in our society. Good thing he got a whopping 2% in the latest fox news poll.

Complete7 on October 25, 2007 at 9:05 PM

JammieWearingFool on October 25, 2007 at 8:54 PM

you got that right, lol.

trailortrash on October 25, 2007 at 9:08 PM

i think it might be specious to be attacking paul with the creeps who support him with such specificity.

as a throwaway jab in a broader context, maybe. i wish the paulies weren’t in such denial of the creeps – commies and nazis – supporting him. they have a delusion that they’re doing it all themselves. they should be disabused of this delusion certainly.

but i don’t think its fair play to play gotcha with things outside his direct control. i’m more concerned withg a candidate who supports an accused pedophile, than with a candidate who is supproted by some white nationalist crazies.

in paul’s case, i’d rather make my dispute with his nonsence definition of imperialism, or his ideological and narrow disregard that the government with no agency to change has no agency to preserve itself.

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:08 PM

THe problem is Paul created a sewer with his campaing and now has no right to complain when rats come to nest in it

William Amos on October 25, 2007 at 9:10 PM

but i don’t think its fair play to play gotcha with things outside his direct control. i’m more concerned withg a candidate who supports an accused pedophile, than with a candidate who is supproted by some white nationalist crazies.

How is it playing gotcha? If he got a donation from a Nazi, he needs to dump it. The same would be expected of any other candidate. Hillary dumped $850,000 worth of donations in Norman Hsu’s case without any evidence that any individual contribution was ill-gotten. America’s Greatest Patriot can surely do a cursory check for Klansmen among his own donors in the same spirit.

Allahpundit on October 25, 2007 at 9:11 PM

i wish the paulies weren’t in such denial of the creeps – commies and nazis – supporting him. they have a delusion that they’re doing it all themselves. they should be disabused of this delusion certainly.

What makes you think they are in denial?

bnelson44 on October 25, 2007 at 9:11 PM

p.s.: i’ll never use “preview” and correct my spelling. you hear me? NEVAR!

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:11 PM

By all probability, any candidate you support will get a donation from an unsavory character. I guarantee you that kid touchers, murderers, the worst of society, have given money to each and every candidate on both sides. There is a LITTLE difference between getting donations you know nothing about, and LOBBYING for donations from groups like Stormfront. If you make no differentiation between the two, you are an idiot.

muyoso on October 25, 2007 at 9:13 PM

bnelson44 on October 25, 2007 at 9:11 PM

i’ve conversed with some. many of the regulars of the former protest warrior forums went paleo-libertarian and are now zombies for paul. paul’s the real deal if you’re of that disposition.

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:14 PM

By all probability, any candidate you support will get a donation from an unsavory character.

I agree with Allah, if the candidate finds out a source is unsavory, the electorate, normally, expects him or her to return the cash.

bnelson44 on October 25, 2007 at 9:16 PM

There is a LITTLE difference between getting donations you know nothing about, and LOBBYING for donations from groups like Stormfront.

Indeed there is a difference. But once you know where a donation’s come from, if you choose to retain it then it’s no different than if you’d lobbied for it in the first place. Paul’s playing a see-no-evil game here; well, now we’re seeing the evil. Time to give that money back.

Allahpundit on October 25, 2007 at 9:17 PM

i will fault him for courting the birchers. this whole thing is like the revenge of the elements buckley tossed out, in that respect.

i will say, cynicly but without sarchasm, it may be a good thing to have bircher nuts empowered and active to the extent that hillary is an “inevitability”.

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:18 PM

i’ve conversed with some. many of the regulars of the former protest warrior forums went paleo-libertarian and are now zombies for paul. paul’s the real deal if you’re of that disposition.

But they aren’t Paul’s campaign staff. Paul’s campaign has been courting these kooks from day one (or maybe day two). He can’t possibly be that naive, he has been in the congress way too long for that.

bnelson44 on October 25, 2007 at 9:18 PM

Allahpundit on October 25, 2007 at 9:11 PM

i suppose so. i guess what i’m responding to is that this particular link is, as you noted, a little tendentious.

also, this level of sunshine hasn’t been availible until recently. i’m leery of the idea that candidates now have to sift through every donation looking for the names of fifth-rate cranks and suffer guilt by association for each one they miss.

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:23 PM

I condeme Ron Paul for the same reason I condeme the democrats for code pink

Paul has allowed those sicophanic Truthers to be the forfront of his campaign. The man is not that blind that he cant see what those people are viral hatefull manipulative jerks.

And paul via his silence is consoning their lunacy. The same way that the dems do they smirk and say “Tsk tsk” whenCode pink or the other nuts in their party go crazy.

Look at us on the right. A truther or racial hatemonger would be chased out in a blink of an eye (and I mean an ACTUALL hatemonger not a phoney accusation by leftwingers seeking to silence anyone who seeks to prevent them from playing racial politics)

Paul by allowing this nuts to chant his name and basking in their glofied idiocy is complicite in all that they do. This ultimately is why he isnt fit to be President he doesnt even that the balls to stand up to the insane that back him.

William Amos on October 25, 2007 at 9:25 PM

Candidates all have aides, and people who manage the money coming in. I can see some unsavory funds coming in, but once they’re discovered they have to be returned.

BadgerHawk on October 25, 2007 at 9:27 PM

Maybe he’s America’s Greatest White Patriot? Or is this part of the REVOLETAHution?

We should start calling him Ron Saul just to get on his nerves.

Thomas the Wraith on October 25, 2007 at 9:27 PM

i’m leery of the idea that candidates now have to sift through every donation looking for the names of fifth-rate cranks and suffer guilt by association for each one they miss.

jummy,

Your talking about a campaign that routinely sends out email blasts talking about how they have more military “associated” donors than anyone else. Seems to me they know who is donating to them.

bnelson44 on October 25, 2007 at 9:28 PM

Hmmmm. Maybe Ron Paul’s constitution just goes through the 12th amendment.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 25, 2007 at 9:36 PM

only $500? guess being a nazi doesn’t pay off like it used to.

lorien1973 on October 25, 2007 at 9:39 PM

bnelson44 on October 25, 2007 at 9:28 PM

i suppose. i’m not married to my objection.

i guess in a broader sense, i see the market anarchists and p[aleo-libertarians as a far pole in an acceptable range and that this coming apart we’re experiencing – with the secularists vers the religious and the isolationists verus the interventionists and so forth – is an opportunity for the right to really figure out what it is and is not.

this sort of thing seems to me like oppo best inflicted on the left. has anyone checked to see if this chick dumped any cash on kucinnich’s campaign? who’s bill white supporting? something tells me he’d rather have his anti-war with some free healthcare than without.

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:41 PM

Lakeland, less than an hour from me, great. I see a skinhead every now and then around here. Florida is a weird place, man, you have good ol’ boys, nazis, latinos, the old folks, beach bums, snowbirds…some weird shit is always in the news about something that happened in Florida.

RW Wacko on October 25, 2007 at 9:52 PM

only $500? guess being a nazi doesn’t pay off like it used to.

lorien1973 on October 25, 2007 at 9:39 PM

That’s all he the cash Herr Black had on hand. The rest is tied up in numbered Swiss accounts and stolen artwork.

Thomas the Wraith on October 25, 2007 at 9:54 PM

While I believe that Paul did a get a donation from this guy; there is a little problem in the site’s analysis and reasoning behind it:

# Black proudly and openly identifies himself as Stormfront’s guiding hand, and publishes a contact address on the Internet– PO Box 6637, West Palm Beach, FL, 33405
# A search by LST of public databases indicates that there is only one “Don Black” residing in West Palm Beach, Florida, zip code 33405

Just because you have a PO Box in zipcode 33405, does not mean you reside in zipcode 33405.

Who-ever wrote that is leaving themselves open to a (minor?) criticism.

lorien1973 on October 25, 2007 at 9:55 PM

er, and okay. i’ve just read the evidence at the link and the assertion isn’t so tendentios after all. i retract that. i certainly hope the paul campain responds appropriately now that it’s out there.

jummy on October 25, 2007 at 9:56 PM

Paul’s playing a see-no-evil game here; well, now we’re seeing the evil.

makes sense, thats the same as his Foreign Policy view.

jp on October 25, 2007 at 10:01 PM

its funny that Black and Alex Jones both live in ultra-Lib cities.

jp on October 25, 2007 at 10:03 PM

Hatemail deluge forthcoming. This should reap a bonanza.

JammieWearingFool on October 25, 2007 at 8:54 PM

Heh. Allah, could we see some of the hatemail–the few non-profane parts anyway? I can’t help it, I just love laughing at Paul’s crazy-ass cultists.

ReubenJCogburn on October 25, 2007 at 10:09 PM

There’s a Ron Paul Revolution billboard up on the exit of I75 to St Rt73 in Ohio.

Are these guys following fed election rules?

- The Cat

MirCat on October 25, 2007 at 10:34 PM

Think he should give that back? Think he will?

Your questions assume Ron Paul has the ability to reason logically. The answer to both is an emphatic, “no”.

thedecider on October 25, 2007 at 10:42 PM

It’s ok, as long as he didn’t get more than a $501 donation from Stormfront, then he doesn’t have to give it back.

/sarcasm

Tim Burton on October 25, 2007 at 11:32 PM

As further evidence that Paul supporters aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed, some idiot with a big “Vote Ron Paul” sign was walking back and forth across a busy intersection near my home during the red lights. I was at the very front of the line (already a little annoyed that I’d just barely missed the yellow, mind you), so his little parade was going on no more than three feet off my front bumper. He probably couldn’t tell by looking at it (it’s a major sleeper), but my engine puts out 340hp and over 300 lb-feet of torque, and can generate a surpising amount of kinetic energy without much warning…

Fortunately, I couldn’t be certain he was a 9/11 Denier, so no homicidal urges crossed my mind at the time (it was more of a “What this idiot doing? Oh, good lord,” kind of moment). Still, the margins of the guy’s judgment made me chuckle later on. Don’t parents teach their kids not to play in traffic anymore?

Blacklake on October 25, 2007 at 11:49 PM

Ron Paul can’t be faulted for accepting the donation if he didn’t know who it was from, but now that he knows he’s got a sewer running into his coffers it’s time to disgorge and start taking a hard look at some of the other, less savory elements who are bankrolling him. For instance, how about a maxed-out donation from America’s most notorious conspiracy theorist?

The story isn’t even a day old. We don’t know that his campaign has been made aware.

Alex Jones? 9/11 Trutherism sure is stupid, but it’s not hateful or racist.

Bonus question: should Tom Tancredo refund himself any donations he made to his own campaign?

Hey man, don’t knock Alex Jones, he uncovered the sooper sekret organization that is conspiring to eliminate 80% of the world’s population!!!1!1

I thought Mitt Romney uncovered that conspiracy! Or is this a different conspiracy? (Come on, you just walked into that one!)

Mark Jaquith on October 26, 2007 at 1:45 AM

What should I care more about, Ron Paul getting chicken feed from some fruitcake, or Hillary getting ZILLIONS from the RED CHINESE (and not for the first time, I might add)?

Hmmm, let me think.

Lehuster on October 26, 2007 at 9:11 AM

What should I care more about, Ron Paul getting chicken feed from some fruitcake, or Hillary getting ZILLIONS from the RED CHINESE (and not for the first time, I might add)?

Hmmm, let me think.

Lehuster on October 26, 2007 at 9:11 AM

Both, actually…just more about one over the other because of the fiscal impact.

Miss_Anthrope on October 26, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Both, actually…just more about one over the other because of the fiscal impact.

No, you should care more about Hillary’s Red Chinese donors, because those are, without a doubt, deliberately solicited and will affect her policies if she is elected. On the other hand, Ron Paul did not solicit donations from the Nazi nutjob, and will not implement pro-Stormfront policies if he is elected.

Lehuster on October 26, 2007 at 11:59 AM

No, you should care more about Hillary’s Red Chinese donors, because those are, without a doubt, deliberately solicited and will affect her policies if she is elected. On the other hand, Ron Paul did not solicit donations from the Nazi nutjob, and will not implement pro-Stormfront policies if he is elected.

Lehuster on October 26, 2007 at 11:59 AM

I’m pretty sure that most adults can handle keeping track of both stories–as long as they aren’t emotionally invested in covering up for Ron Paul, that is. Which means that about 98% of adults can handle following both stories.

ReubenJCogburn on October 26, 2007 at 3:06 PM

What next? Is Paul going to appoint David Lane as Secretary of State once he gets elected?

Ryan Gandy on October 26, 2007 at 3:38 PM

Got Ron Paul spam mail this morning. Wonderful.

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**** STOP THE WAR & Corporate Corruption****

He has NEVER voted:
* to raise taxes
* for an unbalanced budget
* to raise congressional pay
* for a federal restriction on gun ownership
* to increase the power of the executive branch

He HAS voted:
* against the Iraq war
* against the inappropriately named USA PATRIOT act
* against regulating the internet
* against the Military Commissions Act

He will eliminate the IRS, Wasteful Government Spending & Stop The Iraq War Immediately!

Most importantly, he voted NO on anything in Congress that is not allowed by the Constitution.

Google: Ron Paul Today! Join The Revolution!

coyoterex on October 26, 2007 at 4:38 PM

Most importantly, he voted NO on anything in Congress that is not allowed by the Constitution.

coyoterex on October 26, 2007 at 4:38 PM

I’m so glad that I don’t get Ron Paul spam, but if I did I’d give the address that it came from to everybody that sends me Bulk Mail. Two can play that game.

I was wondering, though–since the Republican Party isn’t mentioned in the Constitution either, why is Ron Paul pretending to be one?

ReubenJCogburn on October 26, 2007 at 4:58 PM

Ok. Now that we have this “settled,” can we find out who the black separatists and supremacists are donating to?

Connie on October 26, 2007 at 5:55 PM

Ok Ron Paul had a total of 6242 donations at the end of the 3rd quarter.

That is a small number and not impossible to check, but still I can easily see how in any campaign some one can sneak through to accidentally or intentionally embarrass a candidate.

Still I wonder who picked this up to start with and then got the news out about it.

Likely it was other campaigns looking for stuff in each others contributions or someone just doing research or planted donations just to make headlines.

CommentGuy on October 26, 2007 at 8:40 PM

Alex Jones? 9/11 Trutherism sure is stupid, but it’s not hateful or racist.

Well, call it what you want, Mark, but the obsession with the Joooooos the troofers and Jones have sure isn’t in a loving sense.
CommentGuy:

I can easily see how in any campaign some one can sneak through to accidentally or intentionally embarrass a candidate.

Go look at Stormfront’s site. There’s absolutely no need to waste money faking donations (which is illegal anyway). They’re very much in support of Ron Paul there. As of this moment, there’s a pro-Paul thread there with almost 500 pages.

Basically, there is no spinning this. White supremacists (and troofers!) lurve Ron Paul.

Don’t you wonder why that is? (I don’t.)

bamapachyderm on October 26, 2007 at 11:37 PM

And for those who doubt this story, that’s OK. You can find plenty of other cultists like Black (delicious irony in his name, btw) in the link above who worship at the Temple of the Reverend Doctor Saint Ron Paul.

bamapachyderm on October 26, 2007 at 11:46 PM

My hope is that he does NOT give it back because it’s money assured to go right down the drain considering Paul has about a snowball’s chance in hell of winning.

Give it back? No way. Keep it and it’s win/win.

Metro on October 27, 2007 at 1:02 PM

White supremacists (and troofers!) lurve Ron Paul.

Don’t you wonder why that is?

OK, and the Communist Party, NAMBLA, and Queer Nation just looooove (and usually endorse) the Democratic presidential candidate every four years. Do you wonder why that is? Why, of course, it’s because the Democrats actively solicit the communist child-molesting homo vote!

Enough with this guilt by association crap already.

Lehuster on October 29, 2007 at 10:06 AM