Please muyoso enlighten us.

You have some of the most insane viewpoints I have ever heard. First of all, if I do not support Israel, that does not make me an anti-Semite. The problem with people like you is that you call anything that is a criticism of your race/gender/group bigotry. Does it make me an anti-Semite because I think we should not give a dime of aid to Israel? Does it make me an anti-Semite because I think that Israel overreacts and is CERTAINLY not helping the situation as much as they could in the middle east, to put it VERY lightly? NO. That does not make me an anti-Semite. Nor does it make me racist if I say that black people should stop having so many damn kids out of wedlock, its over 70%. Not to pick only on those two groups, but those are just examples. Those don’t make you racist or a bigot, they make you someone who is voicing problems that you see without regard towards people with delicate feelings like YOU. You can call me a racist or a bigot all you want for pointing out FACTS, and you can do the same for Ron Paul, but if the best thing you can come up with is some quote from him which 80% of the nation would whole-heartedly agree with, then I’d say he is doing a pretty damned good job.

No, no, no!!!! His “facts” are all wrong. Israel invaded in 1982 as a result from PLO attacks, Hezbollah did not even exist then.
Andy in Agoura Hills on October 23, 2007 at 1:03 PM

If Hezbollah didn’t exist when they went in, they did almost immediately afterwards- they were fighting Israel almost the entire time; at least from ‘83 on. The point is that Israel couldn’t dislodge Hezbollah in the 12 years they were there, and the weak Lebanese military couldn’t either- not then and not today.

And like it or not, yes, it was an occupation- while elements of Lebanese society approved of Israel fighting to oust the PLO, it wasn’t with permission of the Lebanese government.

In the midst of all this, a bloody civil war broke out in Lebanon, and they are understandably reluctant to see that happen again- and it would were the government to try and take on Hezbolla.

Go figure. Some of the Paulites have reservations.

Rob,

Prison planet is run by a Christian who’s a dispensational premillenialist. To summarize their eschatology briefly, DPs basically believe that Jesus is going to return to the modern-day nation state of Israel after a brief tribulation and rule for a literal thousand years in Jerusalem. The entire theology of DPs hangs on the success or failure of the nation-state of Israel and the Jews there. For them, the NWO is not run by Jews, but by a Satanically-empowered antichrist. They don’t believe in the same NWO that Stormfront and their ilk do.

PRCalDude on October 23, 2007 at 4:41 PM

Whoa. Boy was I wrong about that. It looks like Jones sees the ZOG as the root of all evil.

Going on Jones’ radio show is not the way to silence those who want to guilt you by association.

Yeah, Lew Rockwell has Ron Paul quotes all over the website. Has for a LOOOOOOOONG time. Do you think Ron Paul minds? I don’t. Therefore he endorses these White Supremicists. And I pronounce him guilty by association.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 23, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Ron Paul is actually a member of Lew Rockwell’s Mises Institute. So no, he doesn’t mind at all that he’s on Rockwell’s site. Ron Paul is a radical libertarian, and you can take that as you will. If he is elected he’d work to eliminate the CIA, eliminate the income tax, eliminate the Federal Reserve and put us on the Gold Standard, move us out of Iraq and any other nation we are in, cut the defense budget along with every other budget, open trade with all nations regardless of their questionable ethics, legalize (or at least decriminalize) marijuana, cut the government to it’s bare bones “constitutionality”,

Those are the facts. Take them as you will. Dr. Paul does not play well with others and you only need to see his congressional record as proof. If he were to be elected president NOTHING would get done.

I have to admit he has one incredibly awesome idea. Issue Letters of Marque to rich people like Ross Perot and have them find Osama. I fully support that. But I believe our military should try too, Paul disagrees.

William Amos on October 23, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Hah. He probably has.

Then you must have missed Paul’s interview on Prison Planet. He’s all about the NWO, and the we all know the NWO is a dolled up metaphor for International Jewery in the minds of the tin foilers.

I don’t think Paul himself is na anti-semite, but he’s smart enough to know they’re riding his coat tails and raising money for him. He’s happy to take their taited money, which is why he’ll never come out and say he doesn’t want their help. That would take character, which he doesn’t have.

Even Farrakhan distanced himself from the most outspoken anti-semites in his movement (Prof. Griff from Public Enemy) why can’t Paul issue a staement doing the same?

Rob Taylor on October 23, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Rob,

Prison planet is run by a Christian who’s a dispensational premillenialist. To summarize their eschatology briefly, DPs basically believe that Jesus is going to return to the modern-day nation state of Israel after a brief tribulation and rule for a literal thousand years in Jerusalem. The entire theology of DPs hangs on the success or failure of the nation-state of Israel and the Jews there. For them, the NWO is not run by Jews, but by a Satanically-empowered antichrist. They don’t believe in the same NWO that Stormfront and their ilk do.

Rob Taylor on October 23, 2007 at 4:24 PM

I don’t know who the heck you are, but you are one smart guy!!!! Keep posting.

You are welcome to that opinion. I don’t share it, I think men are better judged by their actions

Associating with unsavory characters IS an action. Its certainly not a thought.

That was the last word on this for me.

FullosseousFlap has noticed something that I pointed out a couple of months ago.  Stormfront, the infamous “white power” site, just loves Ron Paul.
Why does Congressman Ron Paul have campaign ads on a White Nationalist Neo-Nazi Bulletin B…

I don’t think Paul himself is na anti-semite, but he’s smart enough to know they’re riding his coat tails and raising money for him. He’s happy to take their taited money, which is why he’ll never come out and say he doesn’t want their help. That would take character, which he doesn’t have.

Even Farrakhan distanced himself from the most outspoken anti-semites in his movement (Prof. Griff from Public Enemy) why can’t Paul issue a staement doing the same?

HUGE A$$HOLE.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 23, 2007 at 12:25 PM

There’s still nothing inherently anti-semitic about what RP said there, if one accepts that RP is sincere about his non-interventionist point-of-view. He is naive and ignorant about the Israel-Lebanon-Hezbollah thing, but from his viewpoint, it shouldn’t matter to us one way or the other because we shouldn’t be intervening in the Middle East. Though I firmly believe Muslims will attack us no matter what, we have done quite a bit of meddling over there that we shouldn’t have done.

Yeah, it does. I don’t buy the line that one can be anti-Zionist or anti-Israel and not be an anti-semite. Anti-Israel is anti-Jewish because Israel is the only Jewish nation on the planet.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 23, 2007 at 3:43 PM

I generally sympathize with your view. But I tend to look at what else a person believes before I decide that the person is anti-semitic. In the case of a Muslim, anti-zionism and anti-semitism are the same thing. Zionism is just code-word for “Jew.” In the case of Ron Paul, I think he generally just believes we need to “avoid foreign entanglements.” I give him a pass on that one. Anti-semites tend to believe that everything is a ‘zionist conspiracy.’ I don’t think RP is like that.

Now you are doing the same thing you chastised me for doing. I did not, repeat, did not say anything about being responsible for the perspectives of another. I said if you associate with an unsavory character your character is questionable.

Okay, I have no intent to put words in your mouth.

Allow me to clarify: To judge an association between two people necessitates a third party. The third party is not privy to the details of the two involved in the association, thus the 3rd party must based his/her opinion on their perspective.

It is perfectly reasonable to generalize about a person’s character based on associations.

You are welcome to that opinion. I don’t share it, I think men are better judged by their actions, but suit yourself.

Oh and BTW, your political party may not be Libertarian but your posts certainly are.

I can’t really speak to that because I don’t know what comments of mine you have read, save of course the ones you have commented on. But either way, that’s fine – I’m not here to espouse a party line so how I’m seen in regard to party line is not that important to me. I just enjoy the conversation and insight from various commenters.

Yeah, it does. I don’t buy the line that one can be anti-Zionist or anti-Israel and not be an anti-semite. Anti-Israel is anti-Jewish because Israel is the only Jewish nation on the planet.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 23, 2007 at 3:43 PM

Let me clarify one thing. It is certainly acceptable to criticize Israeli policies based on FACTS. But it is pure anti-semitism to question the way Israel defends itself to insure its survival. Ron Paul did the latter.

By big news I of course mean that it’s made it to Hot Air via this blog which attacks Paul on a fairly regular basis. The Paul campaign is now apparently advertising on Stormfront’s forum, or at least people are saying now because they&#821…

He has the right to say something about Israel if he wants. That doesn’t make him an anti-semite,

Yeah, it does. I don’t buy the line that one can be anti-Zionist or anti-Israel and not be an anti-semite. Anti-Israel is anti-Jewish because Israel is the only Jewish nation on the planet.

This is erroneous. The human mind likes to categorize to make it easier to manage the vast amounts of stimulus we input every day. No one should be held responsible for the perspectives of another. For example, your perspective is that I am a libertarian. I am not; so I should not be held responsible for your error

Now you are doing the same thing you chastised me for doing. I did not, repeat, did not say anything about being responsible for the perspectives of another. I said if you associate with an unsavory character your character is questionable. If someone associates with Jesse Jackson, OJ Simpson, Louis Farrakhan, David Duke or Al Sharpton, there characters are in question. If you think these are upstanding citizens of this country, you’re delusional. It is perfectly reasonable to generalize about a person’s character based on associations. Of course, there are always exceptions to any generalization but not in Ron Paul’s case.

Oh and BTW, your political party may not be Libertarian but your posts certainly are.

But unless Ron Paul steps forward and denounces the endorsement, then I’m also free to associate him with them.

Connie on October 23, 2007 at 2:48 PM

By that logic, I could post “Ron Paul endorsements” on any obscure website I want and say Ron Paul endorses the content on that website. Can Ron Paul somehow know of everyone who endorses him on the web? Isn’t the web, you know, a little bit too large for that?

Come on!!! I just did. I alread exposed him as an anti-semite. How about the fact that he’s a racist too?

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 23, 2007 at 2:43 PM

He has the right to say something about Israel if he wants. That doesn’t make him an anti-semite, though I am cautious around people who start mentioning AIPAC. He said a few politically incorrect things about blacks, but that doesn’t make him a racist or a white-supremacist. Blacks do commit crime out of proportion to their numbers.

I’m afraid you’re steering me more into his camp than out of it.