Glenn Beck: A lot of people who hate America are losing their homes in the wildfire
posted at 12:28 pm on October 23, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I think, as much as the unseemly schadenfreude of the sentiment, it’s the non sequitur aspect of this that’s getting attention. How’d he go from “can’t we all get along?” to “the homes of America’s enemies are alight!” in two sentences?
We all love America. We just disagree on how we should function, what we should do, big government, small government. It doesn’t mean you hate America. I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today. There are a few people that hate America. But I don’t think the Democrats are those. I think there are those posing as Democrats that are like that.
The clip comes from Media Matters which is enough to render it suspect, but it’s hard to see what context could be missing to explain this one a la the Jesse Macbeth reference in Rush’s “phony soldiers” comment. Beck’s producer reminded USA Today that he did say the fire was unfortunate, but that’s not quite true: he said it was unfortunate for them. I’m not even sure who he’s talking about here since he goes out of his way to distinguish the haters from Democrats generally. Does he mean Hollywood leftists who live in Malibu? I can only assume. In any case, while it may not have scaled the same olympian summit of obnoxiousness as Michael Moore’s “why’d they have to attack a blue state?” lament on 9/12/01, it’s certainly ensconced in a base camp somewhere on the same mountain.
Here’s a Google map of the fire. The sheer scale of it is astounding.
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That’s normally the case, but not here. There is no running gag or familiar nuance to that statement. And he wasn’t “wish[ing] for annyone’s house to be burned down”, nobody is even claiming that, but he did go over a line and say something that is unnecessarily partisan and antagonistic in conjunction with an enormous tragedy.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 3:05 PM
You aint “us” pal.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 3:09 PM
You’re right, boris. I am decidedly not a moonbat.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 3:18 PM
That’s where you go over the line.
Beck was talking about a “handful of people who hate America” not victims of the fires. Your implication seems to be that his comment was the reverse … ie victims of the fires ARE people who hate America.
Whatever partisan point he was making … generally dimorats don’t hate America … hardly seems antagonistic. But your implicated meaning would be.
Whatever your politics are, your [in]accuracy at interpretation is every bit as bad as Media Matters.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 3:20 PM
You sad, foolish little person.
First, if you’re going to try to use grown-up words, learn to spell them. You are indeed contemptible.
Second … am I permitted to have sympathy for California Republicans? After all, 45% statewide are Republicans, last I checked. So can I pray for them … while we all cheer the burning of the liberals? Okay with you, Skippy?
And what about San Diego/Orange County? That’s firmly red territory, son. Can I have sympathy for those places, while I rub my hands and gloat as my “enemies” in Malibu see their dreams turned to ashes?
Is that okay with you, kid?
How about my friends and family in San Diego? Most of them vote Republican, so is it okay for me to ask you not to do a victory dance as they’re taking shelter as I type? (Don’t worry. I think I can pick out those rat bastards that might have voted for Gray Davis … I’ll secretly hope they burn, okay?)
Or wait – here’s an idea: maybe we could act like human beings. What do you think?
And the big question: how exactly are you any different that looniest moonbat who cheers American losses in Iraq because its bad for George Bush? I’ll answer for you: you aren’t. You’re morally exactly the same as your imaginary “enemy.”
Well done, Slick. Well done. Contemptible and stupid. Nice combination.
The comments in this blog have really gone downhill since I was last here. Jesus wept.
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For the record, nothing Glenn Beck said came even close to being as un-American, un-conservative, indecent, un-Christian, and contemptible (see the “i” in that word, genius?) as what some of the comments have contained.
And for those of you with no decency, no integrity, and no soul, if you don’t have enough self-respect to keep your stupid traps shut … at least have some courtesy for Allah and Michelle and Bryan.
This blog used to (mostly) be full of decent people. All you’ve done here is smear them; if you don’t think your idiotic comments have already been plastered everywhere, you’re even dumber than you sound.
(And why aren’t some of these people banned?)
You reap what you sow, children. I wouldn’t want to be you when the time comes around.
He’s far too cowardly. Bullies always run. Cowards always hide. Tuari is a classic coward.
But you bet I’ll check in later because I am just dying to hear where he lives.
He won’t tell us, of course, because unless he’s got even less brains than he does courage, he knows I’ll be able to mock him endlessly. C’mon, coward. Where is this magical place you live where nobody could ever predict a natural disaster?
I can’t wait to hear.
Professor Blather on October 23, 2007 at 3:25 PM
Meltdown!
boris on October 23, 2007 at 3:33 PM
Botched joke?
HALP US JON CARRY, WE ARE STUCK IN MALIBOO
BohicaTwentyTwo on October 23, 2007 at 3:46 PM
boris on October 23, 2007 at 3:20 PM
I said no such thing… I simply said “in conjunction with” (in the same breath, etc), but you’re ALMOST THERE. Now just apply the same critical eye to what Beck said–which is much more cut and dry and doesn’t involve adding or changing words–and you might “get it”… I must admit, though, that I find the irony here delightful.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 3:48 PM
As I have written: I don’t know or care what Beck meant. I will provide a quick analysis as opposition to the hysterical interpretations proffered by the sanctimonious ninnies here today:
Paraphrase Beck …
Okay? So what does (3) mean ???
I don’t know. Don’t care. But Beck was making a political point, relatively harmless, when he slipped in the fire comment. Either way he was NOT making a general comment about the very large number of people who are tragically vicitms of the fires. Characterizing his comment that way is either dishonest or stupid or both.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Coward? I had nothing to respond to you about. I actually sided with you as far as having empathy for a tragedy, I just pointed out that it should be reserved and not carried away since it was a natural disaster in a prone area. No one “deserves” to have tragedy happen to them, no matter what their political views, that’s just idiotic. However, if you live in an area prone to disasters willingly and then complain when something does happen…it’s sort of an “I told you so” moment. I did not pick a fight with you. You just picked the fight with me, which apparently showed your true colors. As Twain said, “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Tuari on October 23, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Professor Blather
It’s because they occasionally open it up for new registrations, each of which brings new waves of moonbats. When the site first launched, there was a fairly intellectual crowd in here. Now, we get people like Woahhs who happily parrot talking points that Mark Stein published only a few hours prior. The ink isn’t even dry, but already the phrase “cold civil war” is being bandied about like an old rhetorical friend.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Steyn’s commentary was spot on. The “culture war” is hardly a new concept. Since the 2000 election and 911 it’s gotten a lot worse.
Comments like “happily parrot talking points that Mark Stein …” is just like the moonbats talk.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 4:01 PM
You’re catching on! This is exciting! Yes, it is my contention that your behavior is effectively validating the things that leftists say about you… that’s why you think I sound “like the moonbats talk” when I describe your behavior (which isn’t even contestable since we are referring to things said in this very thread). Interestingly, I find your behavior to be nearly indistinguishable from theirs.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 4:07 PM
This is my last post in this forum, because I agree, we don’t need to give Allah, Bryan, and MM grief. Let me just end it with this though, if you actually followed what I wrote… nearly every area is prone to various disasters. New York has blizzards, Florida has hurricanes, deserts have droughts. When you decide to live there, you take upon yourself that risk. When you live in the path of the Santa Ana winds that has brought bad fires practically every year, you have to openly accept that, not just say “nah, it’ll never happen to me.” You can’t keep viewing things as black and white. You have to put things in context. When you live in a fire zone, don’t be surprised if there’s a fire that destroys your house. A lot of people on the news seems shocked that their house is burning and a few said they lost everything. That’s the part I’m pointing out. If you’re in a fire zone, then expect fires. Prepare for fires… maybe get some fireproof safes. Don’t just go all out flailing in shock. I never said if I agreed with Glenn, nor disagreed. I didn’t hear the quote. I was just trying to point out some rational thought before we started comparing this to New Orleans, Hurricane Andrew, the 1906 California Earthquake, etc.
Tuari on October 23, 2007 at 4:07 PM
He’s like Cindy Sheehan, didn’t she write some silly diatribe or speak about going back into the past to kill the President and Glenn Beck wants to murder Michael Moore.
Morons, both Fringe elements of either side of the aisle, and both f-ugly too.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 4:14 PM
I’m okay with being associated with Mark Steyn’s commentary.
Pretty safe bet that Mark and I are not the barking moonbats here today. Bashing Steyn is one of the warning signs that YOU might be a moonbat though.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 4:20 PM
While I think AllahP is right that we should police our own and well-intentioned, I also believe that an article quoting Media Matters may not be the wisest choice, given their modus operandi of distorting words and context.
Still, I don’t see how Beck is wrong. He didn’t say “all” people losing their homes are America-haters, and apparently didn’t wish that it was happening to them or happy about it.
Why is it that every time something happens, we have to walk on eggshells so-as to not offend, or show how compassionate we are? The liberals certainly don’t — in fact, they see blood and usually go into a frenzy. I certainly don’t want that either, but c’mon– going too far is bad too.
eforhan on October 23, 2007 at 4:21 PM
Some of commentators on this site care more about feeling good than the bigger picture which has always been a hallmark of the myopic Left – which is more of a personality trait than a political view. And just like the Left, they were the ones to use words like “scum” to describe those with whom they disagree, and just like the Left, they feel they are morally superior to those with whom they disagree.
This all goes to buttress my earlier point that to dominate a discussion, even if your view is in the minority, turn up the vile remarks, the ad hominem attacks, the moral posturing, straw man arguments, then rinse and repeat. It works. These tactics, used primarily by the Left, work. And you can see why right in this thread. That is why the Left, the force most of us agree needs to be fought and beaten back, nonetheless controls the schools, the media, the universities, the TV talk shows and almost all political discussions. They go on the attack and paint the other side as heartless and not caring enough about his fellow man. Classic Left wing blathering.
jihadwatcher on October 23, 2007 at 4:35 PM
There is a huge difference between being shocked there is a fire in a fire-prone area and being shocked when their own house is burning.
I have seen many many people being interviewed over the last 48 hours, and to the person they have all said they knew the risk. As I said, if you find anyone that has said otherwise, I’d love to see it.
Of course they are going to have “everything” in their homes. You don’t keep family pictures, memorabilia, clothing, computers, pets, etc, in a safe.
Even with the best planning, horrible things can happen. This is really horrible for a lot of people, and I don’t see anything wrong with them having feelings about it.
MayBee on October 23, 2007 at 4:44 PM
But this is about a FIRE. It shouldn’t be political (or even an arguent) at all. Feelings are really quite appropriate here.
MayBee on October 23, 2007 at 4:46 PM
Maybe we can admit that the wildfire catastrophe has all of us on edge. Media Matters, in its evil way, has chosen to exploit a poor choice of words in a time of great national tragedy. Media Matters is the heartless monster in this story. Can we “virtually” shake hands here and unite to help our fellow Americans in trouble?
RushBaby on October 23, 2007 at 4:48 PM
Yeah, this was ugly. Pull back and regroup.
Jaibones on October 23, 2007 at 4:51 PM
eh, one more post, sorry.
Yes, best two points and ideas yet.
Tuari on October 23, 2007 at 4:56 PM
So because Glenn is on The Right it’s OK? I think not. He should have never said it. What he said is equivalent to the Huffington posters commenting that both Tony Snow and Laura Ingraham deserved to get cancer for their political beliefs.
Glenn Beck should have never said what he did and as another sick and suffering recovering drunk I would suggest to him that he call his sponsor for that remark. That remark did not signify emotional sobriety in any way shape or form. He needs to take out the Big Book, rework his steps and ask God to release him from his burden of self. It’s not about what Media Matters said or did, that is none of his business what they say or do, Glenn is powerless over them. Glenn needs to keep his side of the street clean.
Just because The Left does it does not make it right.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 5:00 PM
This looks like a pattern …
MM to Jesse: “Rush just called you a phony soldier”
At this point Jesse feels like he’s been called a phony soldier even though Rush didn’t in fact do that.
Who is respnsible for Jesse’s bad feelings? MM
Who is Jesse (and MM) going to blame? Rush
It’s past time to call MM on their crap. They are the ones calling Jesse a phony soldier in order to blame Rush for it.
Same pattern here. Falling for it is BS.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 5:07 PM
There was a post way better than mine in the other thread:
RushBaby on October 23, 2007 at 5:10 PM
You’re falling for it.
Again: Paraphrase Beck …
Okay? So what does (3) mean ???
I don’t know. Don’t care. It is entirely possible that (3a) is what he meant. Beck was making a political point, relatively harmless, when he slipped in the fire comment. Either way he was NOT making a general comment about the very large number of people who are tragically vicitms of the fires. Characterizing his comment that way is either dishonest or stupid or both.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 5:11 PM
boris on October 23, 2007 at 4:20 PM
I don’t recall bashing Steyn. I do, however, recall bashing the simplemindedness that would have someone quoting a talking-point (”cold civil war”) as though it was some clever thought of theirs or some well-established rhetorical nugget merely hours after he wrote it.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 5:14 PM
No apology coming. I stand by what I said. I did mean to include a question mark at the end instead of a period, but the statement works either way.
I belive that good strategy is more important than being able to wrap oneself in the cloak of self righteusness.
Never do your enemies job for them. Any time you echo one of Media Matters manufactured outrages, you add your credibility to theirs.
You may like to demonstrate how noble you are by making a show of attacking some of the more extreme elements on our side, but it is not nobility, it is selfishness.
Winning is far more important than playing a good game, in the real world.
JayHaw Phrenzie on October 23, 2007 at 5:16 PM
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 5:00 PM
Excellent point! Imagine if Rosy O’Donnell had just finished discussing Tony Snow and Laura Ingraham, then a few moments later said:
Oh, the hypothetical outrage… can you feel it?
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 5:19 PM
JayHaw Phrenzie on October 23, 2007 at 5:16 PM
No… you add to their credibility when you behave in EXACTLY the manner they are accusing you of acting.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Used wrong name before …
This looks like a pattern …
MM to Brian McGough: “Rush just called you a phony soldier”
At this point Brian feels like he’s been called a phony soldier even though Rush didn’t in fact do that.
Who is respnsible for Brian’s bad feelings? MM
Who is Brian (and MM) going to blame? Rush
It’s past time to call MM on their crap. They are the ones calling Brian a phony soldier in order to blame Rush for it.
Same pattern here. Falling for it is BS.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 5:33 PM
And how did I act improperly?
I didn’t cheer the fire. I m not glad people lost their homes regardless of political stripe.
To flesh it out a bit, my point is as follows: Media Matters is exploiting this disaster for a cheap smear to try to attempt to silence yet another conservative voice. HotAir by quoting Media Matters and spreading this smear to their audience is in fact adding to the Media Matters echo chamber and helping them in their attempt to censor Glen Beck and other conservatives.
That is what this is all about. Media Matters does not care for the fire victims any more than they care for our troops. They just move from smear to smear always trying to silence conservatives.
Even if they occasionally make a point you agree with, it is damaging to the conservative side to promote them and their messages. The moderates will see this agreement and apply it to Media Matters overall credibility and thus will believe in the more marginal BS that they produce on a more regular basis.
It is bad strategy to try to gain nobility by assisiting your enemies in attcking other conservatives. Do you think they will return the favor one day when it’s HotAir.Com’s or MM’s turn for a round on the smear machine?
Politics is a street fight, not the Queen’s debating society.
JayHaw Phrenzie on October 23, 2007 at 5:35 PM
Except in this case Glenn Beck very clearly stated that some of the people whose houses were burning down hate America. It was simply inappropriate. Please, stop defending it.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Try it this way instead …
There’s no connection between oil and the forest fires so the analogy fails. Adding the cancer and dying crap just makes it even less analogous.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 5:40 PM
It’s not a new concept if you read FreeRepublic. And for the record, I’ve had my access on hotair since day one.
I happen to think the “Cold Civil War” concept is profound, so I use it.
Woahhs on October 23, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Wrong. Beck stated that some people who hate America were unfortunately losing their homes in forest fires.
Correcting your bullsh!t is not defending something that Beck didn’t even say.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Wrong, Professor “Spelling.”
I will return to civil behavior when hostilities cease. That is nature of winning a conflict.
Woahhs on October 23, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Who the hell does Glenn Beck think he is?
Doesn’t he know that you are not permitted to speak the truth anymore.
TheSitRep on October 23, 2007 at 5:53 PM
The two statements are exactly equal, except for the fact that you rephrased his words to make “unfortunately” sound sympathetic, when it actually was used in a way that sounded spitefully sarcastic.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 5:56 PM
How telling that YOU don’t see the difference.
Beck was talking about who ??? Dimorats and people who hate America, NOT fire victims. Your take is like Beck was talking about the fire victims and ADDED “but anyway a lot of them hate America”.
Still don’t see it? Figures. Your stupidity is not my problem.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 5:59 PM
He used the word twice tardface. Your mind reading ablilities do not impress me.
Again: Paraphrase Beck …
Okay? So what does (3) mean ???
I don’t know. Don’t care. It is entirely possible that (3a) is what he meant. Beck was making a political point, relatively harmless, when he slipped in the fire comment. Either way he was NOT making a general comment about the very large number of people who are tragically vicitms of the fires. Characterizing his comment that way is either dishonest or stupid or both.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 6:02 PM
It’s god’s will! he is smiting them for hating.
cuz god is love.
TheSitRep on October 23, 2007 at 6:06 PM
How can you possibly say that “some of them are losing their houses in fires right now” and conceivably not intent for that to mean that somewhere between “some” and “all” of the people “losing their houses in fires right now” “hate America”?
“Some of my silverware is on the table… WHAT?!? I certainly did not say that some of the silverware on the table was mine!” Absurd. Sure, a natural language processor would parse them differently, but the meaning is exactly equal.
You would REALLY suck at an IQ test if this is giving you trouble.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 6:06 PM
No. You miss my point. What I said was a slam on our State Department, not Israel. I just articulated it in the spirit of this thread.
Lawrence on October 23, 2007 at 6:11 PM
Are these two statments equivalent?
If you think so you might be a moonbat.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 6:16 PM
Boris, why are you humoring the effete little tool?
Most people have no other association, nor will they ever have any association with those areas of California that are burning, other than the fires happen to be hitting the homes of some of the worthless swine they DO have some familiarity with.
Are we supposed to genuflect in honor of all the starving children of India everytime we mention we’re hungry, too?
Woahhs on October 23, 2007 at 6:24 PM
(Now we’re just arguing for the fun of it, of course, but…)
No, the two aren’t equivalent, but #1 isn’t related–at all–to what we’re talking about.
In any case, Beck’s statement could include anywhere from “some” victims to all of the victims, and you are missing the point… it is simply classless to mix the topics of “people who hate America” and “people whose houses are burning”.
You also seem to be confused about what a moonbat is… a moonbat is anyone who irrationally defends an indefensible partisan person or position simply because it is a partisan position or person, who reduces their political rivals to subhuman cartoons, and who becomes so engrossed in the imaginary “war” with those rivals that he/she forgets to act like a human being themselves. There is only one of us who is doing that.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 6:36 PM
If you do not listen to Glenn Beck, you will be wrong here.
Read text all you want, but it lacks tone and is open to inference from the reader.
If anyone thinks that Glenn was saying that the people who hate America deserve to have their homes burn down they are 100% wrong. And making themselves look stupid.
I would bet Glenn Beck cares more about his fellow Americans than most people here, or anywhere else online. He is constantly trying to get people to reconnect and to mend fences. He does not have ill will for anyone – terrorists & child molesters excluded. He is even against the death penalty.
The line is nothing more than pointing out where a good number of people who hate America live.
Try this:
We all love Jazz. We just disagree on how we should function, what we should do, big bands, small bands. It doesn’t mean you hate Jazz. I think there is a handful of people who hate Jazz. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today. There are a few people that hate Jazz. But I don’t think the Democrats are those. I think there are those posing as Democrats that are like that.
Does that mean their houses deserved to burn down because they hate Jazz? NO! It means that a lot of jazz haters live in the areas currently burning down, and unfortunately for them they are losing their homes. Change the subject to whatever you want and it does not change the point of the line.
And if you believe that there are not people who HATE America in So. Cal. you have never lived there, or are completely oblivious.
Voidseeker on October 23, 2007 at 6:46 PM
voidseeker, the point is that it is classless and, frankly, embarrassing that he even felt the need to mention the two things in the same breath.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 6:53 PM
JayHaw Phrenzie on October 23, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Just to be perfectly clear, I was referring here only to Beck. It is Beck’s apology that I expect will be forthcoming.
As for his original point, I still don’t get it. Someone said he was talking about Malibu, which isn’t in San Diego (did they move it?)
Who are the San Diegan America Haters that he is smacking? The Code Pinkos?
Jaibones on October 23, 2007 at 6:55 PM
That would be a valid point if Beck was discussing the fire victims and added the “hate America” comment.
As it is the statement is rather ambiguous and your interpretation is what’s classless. You are claiming to read minds, twisting words, and distorting meaning to disparage Beck and others. That’s what YOU are talking about and it really is MOONBAT stuff.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Ah, now we’re getting to the nub.
Is there any reason you couldn’t have let his remark pass without comment like the leftists do?
Woahhs on October 23, 2007 at 7:00 PM
There is no ambiguity at all (what are you talking about?). He was discussing people who hate America, and felt the need to interject a smarmy comment about their houses burning. It was an attempt at a humorous jab (as one of his typical sarcastic asides) at Californians, but it ended up coming across like someone who is making fun of a kid with cancer.
He obviously wasn’t WISHING anyone’s house would burn… but it was classless at the least and mean-spirited at worst.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Because there are people here who are stupid and inhuman enough to actually defend it, people who have no business associating with conservatives.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:05 PM
It was an attempt at a humorous jab
And based on that “interpretation” or “inference” you have paraphrased and twisted and distorted.
Again: Paraphrase Beck …
Okay? So what does (3) mean ???
I don’t know. Don’t care. It is entirely possible that (3a) is what he meant. Your claim that YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANT is BS. That you abandon so readily the words and phrases for your own smear says more about you than him.
Beck was making a political point, relatively harmless, when he slipped in the fire comment. Either way he was NOT making a general comment about the very large number of people who are tragically vicitms of the fires.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:09 PM
This thread seems more about partisan scapegoats and personal guilt than anything worth this kind of outrage.
eforhan on October 23, 2007 at 7:11 PM
He said “Unfortunately for them“, which adds a definite spiteful vibe to it. Sort of a “sucks to be you” kind of thing.
Dude, just quit defending it, act like an adult, and we’re all cool.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Any “conservative” that bashes Steyn (or calls his commentary “talking points”) is a phony conservative.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:12 PM
Nobody said he was, what we said is that he was being an prick and making us all look like pricks by association… there was absolutely ZERO intellectual merit to his statement. Pretty straightforward, and you are defending it.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:13 PM
And on that you base a thread full of smear for Beck and anybody who tries to correct your spiteful bullsh!t.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:13 PM
I dunno where DaveS is, but it does suck to be them.
Where’s your compassion, DaveS?!
eforhan on October 23, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Your twisting distortions and mischaracterizations reveal you as a much bigger prick.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:15 PM
The problem with DaveS is that even if Beck meant (3b) that wasn’t bad enough. No. It had to be exaggerated to make it even worse.
Even (3b) is less “embarassing” than the twisting exaggerations and personal insults DaveS has employed here today.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:23 PM
And the fact that I have common sense. You are sitting here denying something which is pretty much self-evident.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:23 PM
And what proof does Glenn Beck and any of you have of this – because stinkin’ Sean Penn and Pamela Anderson live there?? LOL
Talk about strawman…LOLOLOL
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 7:25 PM
I’s all partisan Fringe Loon Conjecture, nothing more, nothing less.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 7:26 PM
I don’t know if any of it is true … BUT … since when is PROOF necessary to express an opinion, especially on a blog.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:29 PM
Dude, I don’t know what you are talking about with this 3a and 3b nonsense. I don’t think he meant either… he was very obviously just trying to get a cheap jab in on Californians. There is no other explanation.
No matter how you cut it, it was a very, very stupid thing for him to say. There is no reason to defend it.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:30 PM
He is a prick and a partisan Fringy Loony one at that! LOLOLOLOL
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Okay that is a LIE. Liar.
Every post has included the possibility that he might bave meant (3b). Link me any post of yours including the possibility of (3a).
Liar.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Based on your propensity to exaggerate, lie about my posts, and claim mind reading capability I’m afraid your other assertions tend to lack credibility.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:34 PM
As per an update to the original article.
Unfortunately the partisans will still continue to attack the statement because they smell blood (see my first post, above).
eforhan on October 23, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Neither 3a or 3b follow from what Beck said.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:38 PM
That pretty much sums up the problem with DaveS.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:38 PM
See post wrt “rational people”.
boris on October 23, 2007 at 7:40 PM
I was initially seriously debating this (the first few posts). After that, I was just having fun dragging along the 1 or 2 people who were insane enough to get worked up and defend this, but now I have to go home.
I don’t believe that a lot of people who post here are morons. I do think that SOME are morons. Unfortunately, many of them are defending Glenn Beck’s stupid statement, today. But I will no longer be here to listen.
DaveS on October 23, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Has anyone actually listened to what he said?
It’s available via the original post–smack dab in his speech about Republicans and Democrats coming together. What a partisan hack!
Sheesh. C’mon folks… stop being knee-jerk reactionaries and let things breathe a little. Otherwise, you’re just being marionettes.
eforhan on October 23, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Dave,
If they defend Glenn Beck and then turn around and – condemn the moonbats for posting that both Laura Ingraham and Tony Snow’s cancer came from their Right Leaning opinions – well then they are just plain hypocritical partisan morons.
I’m with you.
And unfortunately this is what has happened to my beloved GOP, many of the members resemble moonbats in all shapes, sizes and mindsets. This is why we lost the midterms. Pigheaded Fringe elements have unsurped the GOP and Glenn Beck is a prominent example. These types will say anything for attention, to line their own pockets, regardless of how sick and twisted the outcome. Him, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage. They are almost like agent provocateurs.
How did this happen?? When did this happen??
This is way I have been hoping (and commenting under other posts)that they all just get out already so The Party can grow and be what it once was before we put out the Fringe vacuum and attracted every wingnut this side of hell.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 7:55 PM
You gotta wonder why someone would come onto a partisan website to complain about partisans.
eforhan on October 23, 2007 at 7:59 PM
I’m hardly complaining, just pointing out the irrational behavior which evolves from wacky over the top partisan behavior.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 8:17 PM
It doesn’t mean you hate America. I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today.
Oh come on! He was talking about Hollywood. That is obvious. Those like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, those who made “Rendition” ect. The rich hypocritical hollywood types.
Not that that they deserve to lose their homes because of it. But that is who he was talking about.
Rightwingsparkle on October 23, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Exactly, no one deserves to have their houses burn down and no one deserves to get cancer because of their political beliefs.
Glenn Beck is very unkind.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 9:25 PM
Quite frankly I am surprised that such a self-tauting Christian – fairly new to the Mormon faith – would try to assume and start such blasphemous rumors.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 9:31 PM
Reading this thread is like stepping into the Twilight Zone. I’ll be glad when it scrolls into the
CryptVault.RushBaby on October 23, 2007 at 10:19 PM
Yeah baby, who loves ya…
Most of these posters here can’t handle having to reason and think about the difference between what Glenn said and what the Daily
KosersLosers say about Laura Ingraham and Tony Snow…They would much rather be partsian than reasonable unfortunately.
AprilOrit on October 23, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Glenn is dead wrong. Most of the fires are in Red areas. I bet more Republicans lost their homes. He is an arshat.
tommylotto on October 23, 2007 at 11:00 PM
I know this is a dead thread, but let me get in my 2 cents
I am a big fan of Glenn. As an Insider, I get to download his show, because I can only listen to the first hour while I go to work. In the third hour today, he addressed this “controversy”. Here is what he said in part (transcribed from iTunes):
“I shouldn’t have to say this, especially in the United States of America, but for the benefit of the bloggers only, I will. The wildfires in California are a tragedy. I don’t want anyone to lose their home. I don’t care what their political stripes are. I don’t want a soul to lose their home. And anyone who doesn’t want to make me into an evil supervillian would understand that.”
He then went on to say that people who have listened to his show for a long time know that wildfires “affect him deeply”
because he grew up in the Pacific Northwest. As for myself, I heard him make that comment live, and it was obvious that he was talking about Hollywood liberals and not anyone else affected by the wildfires. He also said “unfortunately”.
It is good that blogs like Hot Air can criticize their own, unlike Kos, but you should not jump to conclusions about a remark, especially one that is featured by Media Matters. Glenn is second only to Bill O’Reilly in frequency of attacks.
I hope you read this, Allah, even though it IS a dead thread.
ClericalGal on October 23, 2007 at 11:47 PM
jihadwatcher had it 100% right earlier in this thread. Pretty sad, actually.
Thanks for typing out the transcript, ClericalGal.
eforhan on October 24, 2007 at 12:53 AM
ClericalGal , thanks for doing the transcribing.
I also heard Glenn talk about this yesterday.
You folks should have heard the tone of his voice. Bristling with anger that MM would twist what he said to make it appear as if he wished disaster on someone.
One you’re a person who actually wishes nothing but the best for people and what you said gets twisted so that it’s just the opposite .. well what’s more unjust than that.
I was disgusted to see this on HotAir yesterday but was waiting for the show’s transcript to come out today so I could provide what he said.
MM’s only objective is to demonize conservatives.
That all you idiots spent all of this time parsing Glenn’s motivations instead of MM’s tells more about you than about Glenn.
Anyone who’s listened to Glenn for more than 5 minutes must know that he isn’t the kind of person who would say something like its purported he said.
And if he did misspeak and clumsily put together some words, SO FREAKIN’ WHAT. What? you never said something in the wrong way?
You emotional cripples are insufferable.
VinceP1974 on October 24, 2007 at 6:53 AM
Take your lithium already.
Coronagold on October 24, 2007 at 7:28 AM
ClericalGal and VinceP1974 – thank you for your voices of reason.
Good lord, let’s hope this thread is dead. It was stupid to begin with.
The pious, holier-than-thou crap in here is so deep I bailed out after DaveS’ umpteenth post.
What an utter load of sanctimonious bu11$hit.
Redhead Infidel on October 24, 2007 at 9:26 AM
Beck’s statement wouldn’t have been nearly the mean-spirited, hateful thing Media Matters tried to portray it as, even if he HAD meant it in the way they portrayed it…, even if he had said ‘fortunately’ instead of ‘unfortunately’…, but the way this thread got heated about Beck instead of MM is a bit disturbing. People who spend as much time comparing the Right to the Left as WE do are bound to have slips of the tongue which put us in a bad position, but benefit of the doubt is usually a GOOD thing, right…?
Rugged Individual on October 24, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Too many people on the conservative side try to claim the high moral ground by sacraficing people on our own side. You will see this same knee-jerk reaction everytime Ann Coulter makes a controversial remark as scores of conservatives try to claim the moral high ground by attacking her.
This is pure egotism and it is done as a way of saying “I am better than the average conservative, because I won’t get my hands dirty”.
That kind of false piety and egotistical self righteousness makes me roll my eyes every time I see it. And when they use a news source like MM to fuel their orgy of self gratification, it only fuels more and more future attacks from said organization.
JayHaw Phrenzie on October 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM
So you are telling us you much prefer getting down and dirty in the mud like our Liberal conterparts?
Thnk again, you may reconsider. Ann Coulter isn’t worth “wrestling the pig” for, really.
AprilOrit on October 24, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Very true, My Dad was sayiong the very same thing today at lunch. If you believe Liberal Lalaland was burnt to the ground, think again becuase you are mistaken.
But you know it’s so much easier to hate Hollywood than to love logic.
AprilOrit on October 24, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Ain’t that the truth?
eforhan on October 24, 2007 at 6:24 PM
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