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Poll of Afghans: More occupation, please

posted at 11:10 am on October 19, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Shocking, and not just because the mainstream media has taken a dim view of the war in Afghanistan over the past year or so. Some people on the right have too, Michael Yon foremost among them. Add to that the sporadic incidents involving high civilian casualties and you might reasonably assume that Afghan public opinion is souring on the war.

But you’d be wrong.

In a public opinion poll of Afghans conducted by Environics Research on behalf of The Globe and Mail, the CBC and La Presse, respondents expressed optimism about the future, strong support for the government of President Hamid Karzai and appreciation for the work being done by NATO countries in improving security…

According to the survey, conducted in person across the country between Sept. 17 and 24 with a representative sample of 1,578 men and women, 60 per cent said that the presence of foreigners in the country was a good thing. Only 16 per cent said it was a bad thing, while 22 per cent said it was equally good and bad…

Nationally, 64 per cent of respondents said they believe the foreigners have made a lot of progress or some progress in the fight against the Taliban. In Kandahar, where the insurgency is still raging, 58 per cent still say the foreigners are doing a good job fighting the Taliban…

The survey pointed to a general sense of optimism in the country with 60 per cent of the national sample and 61 per cent in Kandahar saying they were better off than five years ago. When it comes to the status of women, 73 per cent of respondents nationally said that the women are better off now than they were in 2002…

Support for the Taliban also was surprisingly low, with only 14 per cent of respondents nationally said they had very positive or somewhat positive views of the Taliban. In Kandahar, those positives rose to 20 per cent.

A plurality of 43% in the country as a whole (and 31% in Kandahar) wants troops to remain for however long it takes to crush the Taliban. I wonder if that translates in their minds into decades or, say, another six months or so. The reality depends less on us than on Musharraf and Bhutto at this point. Exit question: Why are Afghans relatively comfortable with occupation while Iraqis aren’t? Is it simply some cultural difference we can’t discern or is it a reaction to the distinction between the type of brutality favored by Saddam vis-a-vis the Taliban? Saddam practiced state terror within the framework of an otherwise semi-functional modern society; the Taliban had regressed to medieval times. Occupation is undeniably an improvement from the latter but, depending upon how far civil society disintegrates in Iraq, not undeniably from the former.


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Saddam practiced state terror within the framework of an otherwise semi-functional modern society; the Taliban had regressed to medieval times.

Bingo, read any record of Taliban rule and even given the context of bad rule in that nation, they really were the worst.

zane on October 19, 2007 at 11:14 AM

What? And all this time the MSM had me thinking the people wanted to be oppressed by the Taliban.

TheSitRep on October 19, 2007 at 11:15 AM

So they don’t want to live in a state of terror, oppressed by Taliban overlords?

amerpundit on October 19, 2007 at 11:23 AM

Exit question?

Very simple. When push comes to shove, a LOT of the population of any culture will take security over Freedom.

Add in self rule? and an occupying army that is GIVING you freedom?

Face it… if you look at Japan, France, Korea, Germany, and Italy, American has a pretty darn good track record of NOT taking over for the long term.

Romeo13 on October 19, 2007 at 11:23 AM

It is weird how the Afghans have generally been more accepting of our occupation, given how they’ve fought against foreigners in the past.

Bad Candy on October 19, 2007 at 11:28 AM

I don’t think there’s any doubt from anyone with a realitic and fair view of the situation on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan that our troops have performed amazingly and because of them the situation in both countries is improved and our troops are welcomed for the most part for their efforts. However, as AP noted, there’s only so much our men and women in unifrom can do, the rest is up to the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Yakko77 on October 19, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Is it simply some cultural difference we can’t discern or is it a reaction to the distinction between the type of brutality favored by Saddam vis-a-vis the Taliban?

Now that is a REAL question. It could be asked not only of Middle Eastern countries but also those in say Asia which labor under brutal regimes at times but also suffer at the hands of brutal murderers like Pol Pot.
Look at North Korea which bends to the will of the Kims’ but I am not so sure how they would react if the Islamo fascists started a reign of terror on their soil.
The Russians tolerated it under Stalin.
So state sponsored terrorism of a countries citizens has a better chance of succeeding then that doled out by free lancers?
Yeah let give the Palestinians a state.
Somebody could do a doctorate thesis around that question.

LakeRuins on October 19, 2007 at 11:34 AM

Yeah and with things improving here in Iraq the MSM better start looking for more Britny Spears stories to cover. They may have no choice but to admit this is all working.

I hope and pray every night that it does not only for my sake because I’m in Iraq, but for the good people in these countries that want peace.

cochransintexas on October 19, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Wow, and how many conversations Debates have we had on this site about how the Afganis don’t want us there and we are loosing. Don’t sound like we are loosing there to me.

conservnut on October 19, 2007 at 12:23 PM

loosing=losing

Danged public school edukation!

conservnut on October 19, 2007 at 12:25 PM

This is very positive stuff.

I’m not surprised the Afghans are jazzed about NATO assistance, both infrastructure & military in any case, I think it is understood those forces are trying to help maintain & build stability in the country.

saus on October 19, 2007 at 12:46 PM

Good news!

CP on October 19, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Hummmmm….. sounds like we might be the good guys after all. The DemocRATS have got to hate that !!

Maxx on October 19, 2007 at 1:08 PM

Exit question: Why are Afghans relatively comfortable with occupation while Iraqis aren’t?

Baghdad was the seat of the Caliph and having foreign troops stationed there is blasphemy.

Also Shiites want to assert their numerical supremacy and wipe out the Sunnis.

aengus on October 19, 2007 at 1:22 PM

But….corporations and global warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 aaaaaaahhhh /liberal moonbat

Great news!

Black Adam on October 19, 2007 at 1:29 PM

Do I detect a “good news tsunami” forming on the horizon?

canvas on October 19, 2007 at 1:47 PM

Kandahar
Where men are men
and boys are scared

Kandahar
Come for the jihad
Stay for Waladi World

pc on October 19, 2007 at 3:01 PM

They want us to stay because we respect the weak whereas their males piss on the weak. They appreciate the cut of our jib. Not surprising. We’ll kill them mfers with kindness in Iraq too if it means getting down to bidness. 3 trillion in bidness to get busy with. God Bless America and Godspeed to our brave men and women who rep us in the world. These people are the truth. Brave as all get out and good folks because we are a good country.

It’s no accident the arab asian people turn out like they do and we turn out like we do. It starts at the top. We will eventually cut that head off if they don’t get nukes and go for broke first. Ours are caring folks who you can’t help but root for. Could you see the Russians trying to succeed with benevolency and ruthlessness? Not possible because their benevolency gene is defective.

pc on October 19, 2007 at 3:08 PM

Exit question answer:

1. The Afghanis have been fighting eachother nonstop for over thee decades – they’re a little burned out on the whole bloodshed thing.

2. Afghanistan was at rock-bottom when we invaded – anything we provided was an improvement over nothing.

3. Perhaps the most important – promises made vs promises kept. The fact is we haven’t delivered on our promises made to the Iraqi’s. While we were initially greeted as liberators, we managed to screw the pooch pretty bad. We didn’t focus on securing the population until this year, we haven’t provided the reconstruction and economic benefits we said we would when we would, even basic things like electricity are not functioning properly after 4 years. And then there is the ethnic cleansing, etc. etc. etc.

NPP on October 19, 2007 at 3:57 PM

cochransintexas on October 19, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Thank you for your service, good luck and stay safe!

Califemme on October 19, 2007 at 4:08 PM

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