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Hsu II? Hillary raking in cash from poor Chinese immigrants, many of whom can’t be located

posted at 9:09 am on October 19, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Sinfully delicious. Remember, Hsugate began not with Hsu himself but with the Paw family, who somehow churned out a cool $50K in contributions to the Cause — most of which coincided with Hsu’s own donations — even though they live in a small house near the San Fran airport. As far as I know, it’s still unexplained how they came up with the cash. Now comes the LA Times with allegations of a broad base of “poor” Chinese donors, some of whom seem to have scrounged up the money legitimately to get a photo op with the great lady, some of whom seem to have done so at the behest of “neighborhood associations” which exert “enormous influence” over recent immigrants, and some of whom — well, some of whom may not exist. Dummy businesses in Norman Hsu’s case, dummy donors here?

Dishwashers, waiters and others whose jobs and dilapidated home addresses seem to make them unpromising targets for political fundraisers are pouring $1,000 and $2,000 contributions into Clinton’s campaign treasury. In April, a single fundraiser in an area long known for its gritty urban poverty yielded a whopping $380,000. When Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) ran for president in 2004, he received $24,000 from Chinatown…

Clinton’s success in gathering money from Chinatown’s least-affluent residents stems from a two-pronged strategy: mutually beneficial alliances with powerful groups, and appeals to the hopes and dreams of people now consigned to the margins…

Many of Clinton’s Chinatown donors said they had contributed because leaders in neighborhood associations told them to. In some cases, donors said they felt pressure to give

The Times examined the cases of more than 150 donors who provided checks to Clinton after fundraising events geared to the Chinese community. One-third of those donors could not be found using property, telephone or business records. Most have not registered to vote, according to public records.

And several dozen were described in financial reports as holding jobs — including dishwasher, server or chef — that would normally make it difficult to donate amounts ranging from $500 to the legal maximum of $2,300 per election.

There are a good 10 more paragraphs I want to quote, including the entire section on “Missing Persons” down near the end, but fair use prevents me. You’re hereby formally advised to read the whole thing, noting in particular at least one instance of a donation from someone who’s not legally entitled to donate because he’s not a permanent resident. The sexy part is the donors who can’t be located but I’m actually more intrigued by the “pressure” being brought to bear by those neighborhood associations. Norman Hsu brought pressure on the contributors he bundled too, essentially making donations to the Clinton campaign a toll people had to pay if they wanted in on his lucrative “businesses” per the federal criminal complaint against him. If the Times is right about the importance of those associations in helping to settle and assimilate immigrants within the community, the pressure they’re capable of applying is orders of magnitude greater — although, ironically, perhaps not illegal.

Two exit questions for you, one of which has already largely been answered in Norman Hsu’s case but which resurfaces here anew. One: When is Obama going to take off the gloves on this issue? He’s uniquely positioned to risk alienating a “minority community” by asking some tough questions, and his polls are near the point where he’s got little to lose. And two: Where’s the money coming from?

Update: There are enough worthy stories in the LAT that it’s worth registering at the site, but if you can’t be bothered see if you can get in through Google News. Note that they assigned no fewer than eight reporters and researchers to this story so they’ll probably be following up.

Update: Says Frank J., “The thing about donations from the Chinese is that no matter how much you get, you’ll want more an hour later.”


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Whoa! Slow down there! Why don’t we quietly collect the facts and then wait to make a big deal until after the primary.

frankj on October 19, 2007 at 9:12 AM

NUKE HER NOW!

Allahpundit on October 19, 2007 at 9:14 AM

Must sign up to read the article? :(

bj1126 on October 19, 2007 at 9:15 AM

Obama? Heck, when are the feds who actually are supposed to police this sort of chicanery going to take the gloves off?
As for the $, I am sure that they have hidden the original sources so deeply that we may never know their identities, between Soros and the Chinese the ability to pulll strings from the dark with impunity seems teflon-like.

bbz123 on October 19, 2007 at 9:17 AM

I vote for the “NUKE HER NOW!” plan. Too many people would vote for even if she’d been indicted. Let’s keep her off the ticket please.

High Desert Wanderer on October 19, 2007 at 9:19 AM

Exit question #1,

He won’t, I suspect his fund raising too. And you know the Clinton machine will dig that dirt up if they have to. But the amount of money being raised by all the dems in comparison to the Republicans is astounding. I think they are all dirty and Soros is behind most of it.

Exit question #2,

China, same as always with the Clintons

conservnut on October 19, 2007 at 9:20 AM

Where’s the money coming from? What you’re really asking is, who likes us the most? Cause you wouldn’t give someone money unless you really liked them a whole lot.

If it’s Red China, we must have had them pegged wrong all this time. They must really, really like us! And to think that Taiwan wants or expects our help? Pshaw. Where are all their contributions, man? From their rank and file? No pennies, no bennies, I always say…

RD on October 19, 2007 at 9:21 AM

Whoa! Slow down there! Why don’t we quietly collect the facts and then wait to make a big deal until after the primary.

frankj on October 19, 2007 at 9:12 AM

Don’t you mean after the ELECTION?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 19, 2007 at 9:23 AM

Whoa! Slow down there! Why don’t we quietly collect the facts and then wait to make a big deal until after the primary.

Considering the MSM is ignoring this completely…I’d say it will be new news whenever it comes up in ads or debates.

Asher on October 19, 2007 at 9:24 AM

Big Deal…the Clintons are caught again using “funny” money for their campaign. Hanging out with gangsters, shady characters, taking money from people who don’t exist…and nothing will happen. They even had someone steal state secrets and nothing happened to them.

Decades from now, history will shake their head in mis-belief that we could have allowed such thievery to take place in a national election. It’s as if the whole nation has become Clinton’s political Chicago of the 60’s.

right2bright on October 19, 2007 at 9:24 AM

I read the whole article linked, over at Ace of Spades.

Jeff on October 19, 2007 at 9:25 AM

I think she’s the Manchurian candidate.

mimi1220 on October 19, 2007 at 9:27 AM

Exit question #1: Obama won’t. He sees the writing on the wall, and he’s hoping for the #2 spot right now. I know he said his campaign is “moving into a new phase” — which most interpreted as him taking off the gloves. I think the “new phase” really means that he’s ready to settle for veep.

lan astaslem on October 19, 2007 at 9:28 AM

Don’t you mean after the ELECTION?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 19, 2007 at 9:23 AM

That is exactly what was meant. After the election. Put on the pressure now and don’t let up. Don’t let Cankles slip and slide away.

Wade on October 19, 2007 at 9:28 AM

Do we even have any Military secrets that Hillary could trade to the ChiComs for this kind of money anymore? Well maybe we do Bubba’s been out of office for quite a while so there’s new stuff on the bench now.

Buzzy on October 19, 2007 at 9:28 AM

She’s nuke-proof. The delivery system for such a nuke has to be the MSM, and they’ll simply refuse to strap the “Fat Man” to their plane.

aero on October 19, 2007 at 9:29 AM

Fundraising looks like it’s going to be a festering sore on Hillary’s face for a while. We should pick at it a little now, but wait until after the primaries to really pull the scab off and hold a bright light up to the running puss.

jaime on October 19, 2007 at 9:30 AM

“I think she’s the Manchurian candidate”

Yes, with accent on the “man”

She has been planning this her whole life, making all of the nefarious $ connections, starting Media Matters and MoveOn to blast Bush for 8 years, pretty much all of the nastiness in the current political climate stems from them, they even set up an entire judiciary to cover for them. Total criminal enterprise from top to bottom.

bbz123 on October 19, 2007 at 9:31 AM

Media Matters was unavailable for comment.

JammieWearingFool on October 19, 2007 at 9:34 AM

That is why I think all people that contribute to any campaign should be randomly audited to insure they are not funneling ill gotten funds.

TheSitRep on October 19, 2007 at 9:36 AM

I want to know how often this will happen:

What will happen to the money Hsu gave some families to donate to hillary? If they ask for hillary to refund it, what next? Do they keep it (quite a windfall for some), which would hopefully attract the attention of the IRS. Or do they give it back to Hsu, which would be an admission of fraud…

What to do, what to do. Unfortunately, the cynical me says they will just let hillary keep it and hope the IRS does not come after them.

rbb on October 19, 2007 at 9:36 AM

One: When is Obama going to take off the gloves on this issue? He’s uniquely positioned to risk alienating a “minority community” by asking some tough questions, and his polls are near the point where he’s got little to lose. And two: Where’s the money coming from?

1) Obama cannot attack Hillary, and

2) It couldn’t possibly matter less where the money comes from.

Bill Clinton solicited and accepted campaign contributions from the Chinese Communist government, and was then impeached for getting a blow job. This means that, for all practical purposes, the Clintons have complete immunity to any scandal.

Hillary Clinton has been the Democrat nominee for eight years now. That is not going to change. If Obama goes (as Hillary puts it) “off the plantation,” he will lose his place in line for Vice Presidential table scraps. And he knows full well that’s the best he can possibly hope for in the Democrat Party.

logis on October 19, 2007 at 9:37 AM

NUKE HER NOW!

Allah, if you ever post a bio on this site, make that your headline quote.

fiatboomer on October 19, 2007 at 9:38 AM

The sexy part is the donors who can’t be located but I’m actually more intrigued by the “pressure” being brought to bear by those neighborhood associations.

Pressure? I’m sure it’s just a translation error.

ncc770 on October 19, 2007 at 9:42 AM

imlogis on October 19, 2007 at 9:37 AM

peached for getting a blow job.

He was? I missed all that. Can you help an old man and find me a link to the congressional records when that happened?

Wade on October 19, 2007 at 9:43 AM

NUKE HER NOW!

Allahpundit on October 19, 2007 at 9:14 AM

One more comment like that and you’ll be BANNED!! :) :) :)

pullingmyhairout on October 19, 2007 at 9:45 AM

NUKE HER NOW!

Allahpundit on October 19, 2007 at 9:14 AM

But if Hillary isn’t the opposition, then most of the Republican front runners lose their most important voting base. . . the anti-Hillary. I always accused the Democrats of BDS and not coming up with anything positive of their own. But Republicans have become just as bad in their HDS. There are POSITIVE ideas for this country other than ‘we’d be better than Hillary’. I’d HOPE many people would be better than Hillary and that would be a given. But I’d hope that they’d be better than Hillary in a positive way that people could vote FOR.

ThackerAgency on October 19, 2007 at 9:47 AM

RICO

reaganaut on October 19, 2007 at 9:48 AM

NUKE HER NOW!

Allahpundit on October 19, 2007 at 9:14 AM

Snuke?

Bad Candy on October 19, 2007 at 9:50 AM

RICO
It took Capone down.

bbz123 on October 19, 2007 at 9:51 AM

I can’t believe I was the first to say that…

Bad Candy on October 19, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Hillary is nearly as slippery as O.J. and the leftist media certainly isn’t going to expose her crooked ways.

rplat on October 19, 2007 at 9:54 AM

China realizes that she will sell them F-22 tech the minute she gets in office, just as her hubby did with ballistic nuclear missle tech.

Tim Burton on October 19, 2007 at 9:58 AM

Hmmm….

Just where are the Feds in all of these campaign finance shenanigans?

A Republican gets idicted for breaking a campaign finance law that didn’t even exist at the time he supposedly broke it…

Dems seem to get a pass from the feds… Yep, Alberto Gonzales will go down as one of the worst AGs in history, right after Clinton’s AG’s…. old and new…

Romeo13 on October 19, 2007 at 9:58 AM

missle = missile

Tim Burton on October 19, 2007 at 9:58 AM

RICO didn’t take Capone down, it wasn’t enacted until 1970. But it certainly could apply here. Not that anyone would ever try to enforce it against her.

Clinton’s success in gathering money from Chinatown’s least-affluent residents stems from a two-pronged strategy: mutually beneficial alliances with powerful groups, and appeals to the hopes and dreams of people now consigned to the margins

Good Lord, had they run their quota on “bringing people out of the shadows” for this issue?

Dudley Smith on October 19, 2007 at 10:01 AM

Silky should get in on this gravy train, too — Hillary is creating/contributing to all that poverty he’s trying to prevent. Maybe he should make his next hair appointment at the Nice Hair Salon so he can “reach out.”

Numenorean on October 19, 2007 at 10:07 AM

This is all just the tip of the glacier. It’s a good thing the LAT is leading writing this, it will be followed by the herd known as the MSM.

Sit back and relax, the horse is out of the barn.

swami on October 19, 2007 at 10:13 AM

I guess all those sensitive secrets the first Clinton Admin. sold the Chinese is still paying off for the Clinton Machine. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised really. Annoyed and angry as hell, sure but not surprised.

Yakko77 on October 19, 2007 at 10:21 AM

I support gathering info and making a big deal of it later. The nutroots will vote for her in a primary regardless, and I think it would make a bigger impact in the general election.

conservativecaveman on October 19, 2007 at 10:30 AM

lan astaslem on October 19, 2007 at 9:28 AM

Exactly.

nailinmyeye on October 19, 2007 at 10:31 AM

1)

Update: Says Frank J., “The thing about donations from the Chinese is that no matter how much you get, you’ll want more an hour later.”

= “ching chong.” (I’m not passing moral judgments here, I’m just pointing out we walk a fine line.

2) As for the donors who can’t be found, has anyone checked Sandy Berger’s socks??

Captain Scarlet on October 19, 2007 at 10:32 AM

Next we’ll hear that actually attempting to verify the particulars of her donors is “stalking” or “smearing” them.

DrSteve on October 19, 2007 at 10:38 AM

Captain Scarlet on October 19, 2007 at 10:32 AM

No, that’s a variation on a well-established joke that doesn’t make fun of anyone…it makes fun of food. Jokes about airline food don’t constitute an attack on flight attendants.

James on October 19, 2007 at 10:38 AM

Everybody’s getting twitchy peckers over this ‘Hsu’ business and its relation to the Clinton campaign…I just don’t get it…yet.

I loathe everything the woman stands for, and would happily call for secession if she was elected…but fer chrissakes…one thing we can say about her is that she is a steely professional.

Unless some hard evidence can be dug up that inextricably links her (and/or Bill too, I guess) personally to nefarious funding issues…intimidation, coercion, fraud etc…then she is going to blow it away and come off looking as innocent as a girl skipping through a field of daisies.

Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 10:40 AM

Next we’ll hear that actually attempting to verify the particulars of her donors is “stalking” or “smearing” them

And without solid evidence to justify it, she’ll be rockin’ and rollin’ in the public court of opinion. She’s a playa…don’t F around with the Clinton machine…it’ll backfire all too easily.

Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 10:42 AM

Must sign up to read the article? :(

IT’s on DRUDGE

And, will all this Chineese money should it be called an “erection”?

Heavenly Father, I am sorry! Please forgive me and I’ll never……

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on October 19, 2007 at 10:42 AM

will all this Chineese money should it be called an “erection”?

Me rarf, so sorry

Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 10:45 AM

The Clinton’s arrogance and lust for power reminds me of the Kennedys. There is one major difference however.

The Kennedys gained success and achieved power because of old man Kennedy’s connections to the mob.

The Clintons run their own little mafia.

fogw on October 19, 2007 at 10:58 AM

I support gathering info and making a big deal of it later. The nutroots will vote for her in a primary regardless, and I think it would make a bigger impact in the general election.

conservativecaveman on October 19, 2007 at 10:30 AM

I don’t know. The Clinton’s are seemingly made of teflon.

Yakko77 on October 19, 2007 at 11:04 AM

I’m with Allah, Nuke Her Now

RonRockstar on October 19, 2007 at 11:14 AM

What is with this woman’s fetish with Chinese campaign cash laundering?
And for how much longer are we merely going to accept her “I didn’t know it was illegal money” excuse?!?!

ToddonCapeCod on October 19, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Forget it, Jake.

Jim Treacher on October 19, 2007 at 11:17 AM

I’m not passing moral judgments here, I’m just pointing out we walk a fine line.

I think you mean fine rine.

Jim Treacher on October 19, 2007 at 11:22 AM

And watch- she’ll get every vote in Chinatown.

It’s happened before!

drjohn on October 19, 2007 at 11:28 AM

I bet I know where the money is coming from…believe me when I say I’m not normally partial to conspiracy theories, but this one fits just too perfectly. A book called ‘War Beyond Limits’ was published in 1999 by two senior Chinese Colonels. I suggest all MM readers look into its contents on their own. In it they talk about destroying the West through non-military means. One of the ways they sugges is through election manipulation. Think about it…if you have a few hundred well placed operatives you could steer million and millions of Chinese dollars illegally into certain campaigns. I think Hsu was just one of many.

davenp35 on October 19, 2007 at 11:36 AM

And watch- she’ll get every vote in Chinatown.

It’s happened before!

drjohn on October 19, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Twice… at least.

Yakko77 on October 19, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Confucius say: Source of money is PLA.

CP on October 19, 2007 at 11:45 AM

If only someone in the Hsu/Wimple controversy had a name George Clooney could make fun of at an awards show….
Then this thing would get some attention.

MayBee on October 19, 2007 at 12:14 PM

OK…NOW it’s ‘ching-chong.’

And my contribution, paraphrasing Louie Anderson: “You been here four terms…you go home now!”

James on October 19, 2007 at 12:20 PM

no tickee…no laundry

Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 12:24 PM

But if Hillary isn’t the opposition, then most of the Republican front runners lose their most important voting base. . . the anti-Hillary. I always accused the Democrats of BDS and not coming up with anything positive of their own. But Republicans have become just as bad in their HDS. There are POSITIVE ideas for this country other than ‘we’d be better than Hillary’. I’d HOPE many people would be better than Hillary and that would be a given. But I’d hope that they’d be better than Hillary in a positive way that people could vote FOR.

ThackerAgency on October 19, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Agreed.

But HDS, – and BDS for Liberals – are like drugs. Soon enough, even weekend users become so addicted they can’t even see they have lost contact with reality and reason. Or even for those still in touch with reason, it gets lost in the forest. Like jokes and OT; HDS is commic relief. On the other hand, a site with nothing but Conservatives discussing POSITIVE, HOPE and FOR topics could get borring. HDS\BDS and like topics are fun. In fact, there are many exellent comments, well reasoned arguments and bits of wisdom to be found in most topic on sites where HDS\BDS use is common. The issue is how to filter them from the volume of all comments for later reference. I have yet to see a site with any volume pull that one off.

Unquiet on October 19, 2007 at 12:25 PM

The other Hsu will be dropping soon?

Karl on October 19, 2007 at 12:26 PM

On one hand, the left criticizes the Bush admin for allowing the chinese to buy up so much American debt.
Now, on the other hand, the left will see hillary taking gobs of chinese cash.
The left will have to decide if it’s a problem or not. If it’s not a problem, Bush did no wrong.
If it is a problem, then hillary is wrong too.
Either way they are screwed and their heads should explode.
If their heads don’t explode, it will mean that Ann Coulters new book title is factually correct!

redshirt on October 19, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Communist Chinese immigrant totalitarian dollars for…just a socialist?

“Update: Says Frank J., “The thing about donations from the Chinese is that no matter how much you get, you’ll want more an 1/2 hour later.”

Speakup on October 19, 2007 at 12:33 PM

The FEC didn’t care about it the last time, why would they be any different this time?

All shoo has to do is blame it on another campaign worker, who was hired just for that purpose, and fire him. Then she keeps the money and goes for her victory lap.

Roci on October 19, 2007 at 12:56 PM

Can we start calling her Hsillary yet?

James on October 19, 2007 at 1:00 PM

I support gathering info and making a big deal of it later. The nutroots will vote for her in a primary regardless, and I think it would make a bigger impact in the general election.
conservativecaveman on October 19, 2007 at 10:30 AM

That’s why the LA Times is trying to spill the story now; a year later, it’ll all be “old news,” uncovered by the press and unremembered by the all-important swing voters.

logis on October 19, 2007 at 1:19 PM

they live in a small house near the San Fran airport

That’s only accurate if you believe this map over this one. Seriously, New Yorkers need to brush up on their geography.

calbear on October 19, 2007 at 1:33 PM

The other Hsu will be dropping soon?
Karl on October 19, 2007 at 12:26 PM

My nomination for the 2007 Best Single Line in a HotAir post!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on October 19, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Hmm. I posted this story at the Daily Kos….Here Some interesting reactions (with the usual, I am Rush’s lapdog). Some people actually are concerned by it.

Vanceone on October 19, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Two exit questions for you, one of which has already largely been answered in Norman Hsu’s case but which resurfaces here anew. One: When is Obama going to take off the gloves on this issue? He’s uniquely positioned to risk alienating a “minority community” by asking some tough questions, and his polls are near the point where he’s got little to lose. And two: Where’s the money coming from?

I think the second question kind of works towards answering the first. The modern Democratic Party is a shady and evil operation, and Obama wouldn’t be smart to attack his own side on this, because it would likely come back to bite him in the ass. Besides, he knows how powerful the Clinton machine is. He’s never been running for President, always VP. He knows that if he’d been leading in the polls he’d never make it to the primaries alive. (Partly joking, but the bottom line is, you don’t f*** with the Clintons)

RightWinged on October 19, 2007 at 2:07 PM

James on October 19, 2007 at 12:20 PM

Actually, that quote is from Jon Pinnette

mrfixit on October 19, 2007 at 2:51 PM

I keep praying that someone with the means and ability comes in and flat lines her, for she is surly God’s enemy.
However, the Bible says that the evil one must take control before armageddon can begin, so I must be patient.

leanright on October 19, 2007 at 3:00 PM

mrfixit on October 19, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Ah, I stand corrected…in the buffet line.

James on October 19, 2007 at 3:05 PM

And Bushs FEC and/or Justice Dept. will not even blink an eye to look into it. sHrillery is above the law after all.

roninacreage on October 19, 2007 at 3:05 PM

New York , New York what a wonderful town. A failed manager turns down a $5 million contract. “How can we afford such a paltry sum. Don’t forget to put Hamburger Helper in the meatloaf, dear.” Yet Chinese dishwashers, earning slightly less, contribute thousands to Hillary’s campaign.

MaiDee on October 19, 2007 at 5:48 PM

Bill Clinton solicited and accepted campaign contributions from the Chinese Communist government, and was then impeached for getting a blow job. This means that, for all practical purposes, the Clintons have complete immunity to any scandal.

logis on October 19, 2007 at 9:37 AM

One big difference: Hill is NOT Bill. No one likes her. There was and never will be a line of people waiting to blow her. If yens can buy her some warmth or charisma, she might get away with it all.

For your amusement here is a Hillary-ous quote from News Groper’s (fake) Bill Clinton blog entitled “Hillary is every bit the woman John Edwards is”: …I don’t think Hillary has ever even been to a spa. In fact, I dare anyone to try to touch her face….”

NightmareOnKStreet on October 19, 2007 at 6:05 PM

The same as every other scandal in her past it will be explained away. “That’s old news, no big deal, just move on”. If you’ll remember, that’s why Moveon.org was started, to cover up anything the Clintons did.

Jeff on October 19, 2007 at 7:28 PM

I bet Hillary could get cash from Osama and it still wouldn’t make a dent. The woman is made of teflon.

SoulGlo on October 19, 2007 at 8:36 PM

Of course, her camp is “surprised” by this revelation.

Come on. We keep hearing about how good of a team she has, yet they knew nothing?

100% cow pie.

madmonkphotog on October 19, 2007 at 9:10 PM

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