Fred knocks ‘em dead at big social con conference?
posted at 1:05 pm on October 19, 2007 by Allahpundit
Not quite dead, says Geraghty, but he definitely impressed, in particular with his emotional moment recounting the first time he saw a sonogram of his daughter. Both Geraghty and Marc Ambinder were sufficiently struck by it to post on it. His line at the end about what he’d do in the first hour of his administration also seems to have gone over like gangbusters. I e-mailed Jon Henke to see if the campaign has video; I suspect they will in an hour or two, so check back for updates. In the meantime, though, with the conclave of Christian conservatives set to meet tomorrow to try to pick a candidate, I can’t help wondering if he didn’t change a few minds today.
On the other hand, Rudy might be one phone call away from being back in evangelicals’ good graces. Check out this startling passage from the story at the link. Is Rudy a nonbeliever?
“When I spent two solid hours in a private meeting with Rudy Giuliani, I shared Christ with him so much that at the end of that two hours I said, ‘Rudy, I’m not going to leave this place unless I give you an opportunity to pray with me to receive Jesus as your savior. Would you do that with me Rudy?’” Page recounted.
“He said, ‘No, Frank, I’m not ready to do that. My daddy knows Jesus like that, but I’m not ready for that.’”
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I thought Rudy was Catholic? Catholics don’t know Jesus?
Sheesh way to step in it Rudy. I guess that explains his stance on social issues.
Theworldisnotenough on October 19, 2007 at 1:10 PM
Oh Allahpundit one would almost be lead to believe you were trying to provoke poor csdeven, tommylotto and BKennedy’s heads into exploding….
doriangrey on October 19, 2007 at 1:10 PM
god these people make me sick….
Notice how Freddie is setting up a rational for his flip flop on abortion? “I used to be pro-choice and take money to lobby for abortion groups, but I changed when I saw that first sonogram. Oh and by the way, I’ve always been with you on abortion. I know what I’m saying makes no sense and is completely contradictory, but I figure, you guys are so f’in stupid, you’ll be sold by my small town folksy charm like all my groupies on hot air.”
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 1:13 PM
As soon as more weak candidates drop out a la Brownback, social con support will consolidate behind Fred and/or Huck, & Rudy will be crushed. I hope.
jgapinoy on October 19, 2007 at 1:14 PM
That explains why AP is so into Rudy. The first atheist candidate for president.
Yeah, I thought he was supposed to be Catholic too, but even Catholic priests won’t give him communion for his stance on abortion. Of course. . . it’s all the evil ‘evangelicals’ that are to blame for people who have a problem with his stance on abortion.
‘evangelicals’ just call it a ‘sin’ that can be forgiven with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Catholics condemn you to hell for it.
ThackerAgency on October 19, 2007 at 1:15 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! You’re just jealous that csdeven remains the symbolic figurehead of Fred-haters at Hotair.
Bad Candy on October 19, 2007 at 1:17 PM
come on tommy, there is no excuse for these kinds of attacks on people that don’t share your personal opinion on candidates.
doriangrey on October 19, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Maybe Rudy’s Jewish.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 19, 2007 at 1:19 PM
A twist on an old Lincoln line.
That the opposite of pandering right there.
Spirit of 1776 on October 19, 2007 at 1:20 PM
I know… I know… call me crazy, but I do suppose, there is an outside chance here that he is actually telling the truth. In fairness too, this is exactly how Mitt explained his evolution. Mitt said his views were changed when he began to research the whole stem cell debate a few years back. It is possible that these guys are being truthful. Or am I just naive?
Zetterson on October 19, 2007 at 1:20 PM
You are very insulting.
RushBaby on October 19, 2007 at 1:22 PM
That doesn’t seem unlikely to me. That can be a very powerful moment. btw: I’ll give Mitt the benefit of the doubt too.
Spirit of 1776 on October 19, 2007 at 1:22 PM
HAHA!!
“No! I’m the real Fred-hater”
“No I am”
“No I am”
“No I am”
As far as Fred’s flip flop on abortion, get back to me when he speaks at a NARAL conference, gives to planned parenthood and expresses his undying support for federally funded abortions.
Theworldisnotenough on October 19, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Actually, sonograms have changed the minds of others on abortion. National Geographic’s In The Womb has had an impact as well.
INC on October 19, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Here’s a link to General Electric’s 4D Ultrasound.
As Spirit of 1776 said, it’s a powerful image.
INC on October 19, 2007 at 1:35 PM
In Fred’s case, his voting record in the Senate was pro-life; all that the insane Fred-haters have to back up their nonsensical claims was some 3 hours of lobbying for an abortion group on a funding matter… 13 years ago. That and a single questionare that was likely filled out by a staffer. He campaigned in 1994 as pro-life, and governed as such; if his posistions have changed, it wasn’t by much.
In Mitt’s case, his “epiphany” is a bit suspect- he claims to have changed while researching the stem cell debate, but that happened in 2004 and he didn’t go public about the flip-flop until he started working on a Presidential run in 2005- no one outside his campaign can confirm his version of events. He also flipped on whether Roe v Wade should be upheld.
Rudy is still pro-choice, but he seems to have flipped on federal funding for abortion. He’s tried to mitigate that with promises to elect constructionist judges, but his answer in the first debate stating that he’d be alright with Roe v Wade being upheld might call that into question.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 1:36 PM
Profoundly…
Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 1:41 PM
Just because someone professes membership of a particular denomination doesn’t mean they have a personal relationship with Christ, which is what being a Christian means.
CP on October 19, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Which if I remember correctly turned out to be about contraceptives not abortion.
doriangrey on October 19, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Giulianiberg.
The ultrasound for my first child at 12 weeks (this was back in 1991) turned me from an abortion moderate to a staunch anti-abortion guy. When I saw his face, fingers, toes, and reactions to pressure from the ultrasound scanner, I realized how much I’d been lied to abortion and fetal development.
angryoldfatman on October 19, 2007 at 1:48 PM
I’m in opposition to Rudy, but this whole “who’s the bigger Christian” line of thought makes me uncomfortable. His position on abortion and other social issues that Christians may care about? Fair game.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 1:48 PM
“I realized how much I’d been lied to about abortion and fetal development.”
oops
angryoldfatman on October 19, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Yeah, I generally agree with Hollowpoint, I’m not concerned about whether a candidate has a “Jesus is my co-pilot” mentality, and more concerned about whether they follow conservative principle, particularly on limited government and spending and taxes.
Bad Candy on October 19, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Don’t be disingenuous, Catholics forgive those who repent which Rudy hasn’t done.
aengus on October 19, 2007 at 1:57 PM
Ah, Hollowpoint is here! Whereever Mitt’s name is mentioned–Here he comes to bash again! Defending the Republicans from the evils of Mitt Romney! Shilling for whom–anyone but Romney!
Seriously, if csdeven is known as the head of the anti-Fred brigade, Hollowpoint is just as reliable.
On the topic: I hope Fred’s seen the light. It’s past time for the Fredheads to stop bashing Romney and others on converting to pro-life though.
I still don’t think Fred’s comments about not going to church help him much though.
Vanceone on October 19, 2007 at 2:02 PM
I can’t speak for Rudy, but I know that in the last two parishes I’ve been a member of, praying was really more private unless you were at mass.
As for Fred, I think he’s doing well with the Evangelical voters. However, has to be careful with how far he goes on Pro-life. The NY Sun has already dug up a paper on which he said he favored the righ to abortion in the first term. Not really a big deal, but you know the MSM.
amerpundit on October 19, 2007 at 2:02 PM
I’m not a Rudy supporter and also believe his positions are fair game. I also understand the uncomfortable debate comparing the candidates’ personal faith. That said, my comment above was merely a clarification to a previous comment from someone making an assumption that “being Catholic” means “being a Christian”. I’m not being anti-Catholic, but there is a difference between salvation and church membership. That’s all I meant.
CP on October 19, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Giuliani is being hones. Good for him. I believe he’s trying to be honest and square with himself first. Good for him.
That makes me even more in his court than ever.
Mommynator on October 19, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Fred Thompson is a bore.
Hilts on October 19, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Fred threads ROCK! Traffic magnet!
Next debate is soon. That one should get a thousand comments. The closer the primaries get the more gobsmacking we will see from the top 4.
And please, as a Fredhead, I challenge any of you to point me to a bashing Mitt or Rudy comment I have made. All this screaming and yelling gives dKos good copy.
Limerick on October 19, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Perhaps you’ve missed the Rudy threads where I’ve explained why I don’t support him, either. Or my criticism of other candidates besides Rudy and Mitt. Or where I’ve flatly stated that Fred (my preferred candidate, by default of disliking Mitt, Rudy or McCain for the nomination) is imperfect.
And don’t dare compare me to csdeven; I don’t show up repeating the same dishonest one-liners over and over again or engage in the type of trolling, name-calling behavior he does. I explain my position and am actually willing to defend it.
Nice ad hominem though.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 2:15 PM
No, the time on abortion lobbying was more like 20 hours, he spent 3.3 hours assisting terrorists avoid justice. But I can see how you could get two of Fred’s most shameful moments confused.
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 2:19 PM
No, it’s not that…
Us Catholics just usually go in for all the hoopla about being “born again” and the like…or having some spiritual awakening, being brought to tears, or whatever, to have accepted Christ. That’s all…and Rudy being Catholic, this comes as no suprise that he would be uncomfortable with it.
JetBoy on October 19, 2007 at 2:22 PM
argh…
should read:
*Us Catholics don’t usually go in….
JetBoy on October 19, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Is that new, or in reference to the same checked box on that questionare in 1994 (or thereabouts) that he says was filled out by a staffer?
If there is something new, then he’ll have to continue to push the “my daughter’s birth changed my mind” line; not much of a flip-flop when compared to Mitt’s pre-campaign “epiphany” though. Still, it would hurt his social con standings at least a little bit.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 2:24 PM
If I received that invitation to pray I’d run for my life too. It’s patronizing. Who does that guy think he is. I thought a true Christian had humility(or at least something resembling it) and did not see himself as Jesus’s personal spokes person. As for Fred—decent guy who’s about as presidential as Raggedy Andy.
jeanie on October 19, 2007 at 2:26 PM
Do you write your dishonest comments individually, or just cut-and-paste them from your previous ones to save time?
He billed a total of 20 hours for advice, but the actual lobbying was one phone call that he billed around 3 hours for.
And of course he spent 0 hours “assisting terrorists avoid justice”.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Ok…let’s take on the abortion issue….
Question: Who signed an abortion rights bill INTO LAW….
A. Fred
B. Rudy
C. Mitt
D. Ronald Reagan
So much for ‘changing’ your position.
Limerick on October 19, 2007 at 2:31 PM
I frankly don’t care if he flip flopped on abortion, but it is kinda hypocritically of Fred supporters to criticize Mitt for flip flopping when Fred is doing the same gymnastics. What I find objectionable is Fred’s dishonesty on the subject. “What you see is what you get.” “I was then , am now, will be in the future…” That is all B.S. — and watch him, he is very clever in avoiding concrete statements.
If ask for his position on the legality of abortion, he say, “I’ve always thought Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided.” Well, doesn’t that just dodge the question? — Many people think it was wrongly decided from a Constitutional law perspective, but are still pro-choice. Nevertheless, Fred knows his constituents (sensitive hot air members excluded of course), are too stupid to notice the slight of hand. They equate Roe with legal abortions, so anyone opposing Roe is for making abortions illegal, right? (not necessarily) Fred plays on that ignorance ALL THE TIME. Look at his website on immigration:
What a bunch of meaningless buzz words…. “Oh look, Fred is against amnesty and sancuarty cities. So am I, he’s my guy.”
Well, Bush and McCain are against “Amnesty” too!!! So, what is Fred really telling us. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING What does he mean by amnesty? Some say paying a fine is not amnesty. So, Fred might very well be right in line with McCain, feeding his dumb hick supporters what they want to hear in vague meningless platitudes and they just gobble it all up.
DISGUSTING.
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Wow. Grits kill grey matter?
Limerick on October 19, 2007 at 2:49 PM
aw shucks
Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 2:51 PM
I wouldn’t know; but if tommylotto is any indication then NYC smog certainly does.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 2:56 PM
so i guess all republicans care about in 2008 is abortion? welp, say bye bye then.
lorien1973 on October 19, 2007 at 2:56 PM
Ignore the troll folks………..nothing to see here.
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 3:00 PM
Of course not, but it’s always been a prominent plank in their platform. Can you remember who the last pro-choice Republican nominee was- successful or otherwise? I can’t. Every Republican president I can remember (I’m 37) was pro-life, though some of them flipped on it at least somewhat (HW Bush being a prominent example).
Nominate a pro-choice Republican and whelp, say bye bye then.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 3:00 PM
Yes, your posting is DISGUSTING, but then again you make a living suing people so we all understand that it is to be expected.
doriangrey on October 19, 2007 at 3:03 PM
could the admins go ahead and get an updated pic of Senator Thompson. He was a really good looking guy 5 years ago but he’s gotten gaunt since his health crisis. Lost most of his hair for one thing. That was the key to Reagan’s success. hehehe.
pc on October 19, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Regarding that Rudy link above, I think AP pulled the wrong quote. The much creepier quote from Frank is:
If you don’t understand what an awful, sick thing that is to say, substitute “Jesus” with “Mohammed.” Disgusting.
Enrique on October 19, 2007 at 3:21 PM
As far as these idiots who don’t understand America goes as it’s white middle class goes, hell yes we need to stop aborting so many kids. You can see the Russian leadership freaking out about the slavic people failing to reproduce at a rate needed to avoid a population collapse. You can lose control of a situation demographically in a pretty short amount of time, a lot shorter then people realize. Europe is looking at a halving of it native anglo population sometime this century, first half if the trend holds up.
Abortionists are pretty much the enemy to the future of this country and historic culture as pertains to it’s currently configured governance system. That’s a nice way of saying, if trends hold, it won’t be too much longer until barbarians have the numbers necessary to topple Rome.
Signed
Not really a xenophobe, just regurgitating stuff I’ve read. If someone else can point out the flaw please do. I’m depressed to contemplate what abortion is going to cause to happen long term.
Of course some disease will probably break out and cause a massive human fish kill as it were and this all become moot.
pc on October 19, 2007 at 3:22 PM
It’s the opinion of a Christian leader speaking to a professed Christian. I hardly think that awful or sick. Rudy- or anyone else- can take it or leave it as he sees fit. However the stakes are a bit higher for Rudy since he’s already in the dog house with many in the social con / Christian right community regarding his views on abortion.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 3:25 PM
You will never take cdseven’s place, never… no matter how hard you try…you are a “phony hater”, a poser.
cdseven, wheeeerrrre arrrre yooooouuu?
right2bright on October 19, 2007 at 3:28 PM
Hope springs eternal
Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 3:29 PM
I try to emulate the master…
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 3:30 PM
LA
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 3:31 PM
Well that certainly explains a lot……..
doriangrey on October 19, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Why does this make me think of that old SNL sketch with Aykroyd as Nixon and Belushi as Kissinger? And why the hell hasn’t anyone posted that on YouTube?
Dudley Smith on October 19, 2007 at 3:34 PM
“…some disease will probably break out and cause a massive human fish kill…
Hope springs eternal”
It’s a well placed person (regardless of race color etc etc blah blag) best hope. If it’s staph or something nasty, it’ll rage through apartments and close quarter living accomodations first. And fast access to quality healthcare will be the difference maker.
pc on October 19, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Hey great, aid in the murder of as many millions as you want, if you become an “evangelical” it doesn’t matter as long as you and Jesus go watch a few ball games together.
Darth Executor on October 19, 2007 at 3:43 PM
Ignoring the ad hominem nature of this, I would like to point out another option. Perhaps people realize that as a candidate for President of the United States, the only question Mr. Thompson should be concerned about is the appropriate role of the federal government. If the federal government were limited to its Constitutional authority, abortion would not even be on their radar. Therefore, what we really need to know about these candidates with respect to abortion–and myriad other issues–is whether they will appoint constructionist judges who recognize the vast number of questions that fall into the very broad category of “None of the Federal Government’s Business.”
DrMagnolias on October 19, 2007 at 3:46 PM
Very well said!
Ochlan on October 19, 2007 at 3:49 PM
But they are all on the same page on that. So what’s the point.
They all say they want strict constructionist judges who won’t legislate from the bench.
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 3:52 PM
Even worse.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 3:55 PM
PM
I would put the IQ of “dumb hicks” up against yours any day.
You are a hateful little man.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 4:09 PM
That’s a thread ender if I’ve ever seen one!
Good on you Gator!
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 4:17 PM
The more I hear Fred Thompson, the more I like him. Of course, I do not quite understand the perception some have that he is not exciting enough. I certainly enjoy his speeches. He talks, I believe, from his ideals with no BS! THAT is exciting!
Of course he is not pefect, I certainly would love to ask him how he feels about CFR now, but no candidate is perfect on every issue.
I also cannot help but believe that the media wants Rudy-Hilary to face off next year, so I think they are overhyping the lazy, unexciting, BS about Fred. That is what they do.
I also think, the average Conservative looks differently than some bloggers do. They tend to hear Fred, and not overanalyze him. He speaks, they like his message. Pretty simple really.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 4:21 PM
Thanks. I am damned proud to be a Southerner, and I am prety amazed that some folks still are stuck on having a bias against Southerners. Maybe Tommy ought to recall where Washington, Monroe, Madison, Jefferson, Henry, Paine, Mason, and many other founders were from.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Placism* is as bad as racism in my book.
*judging someone by their locality not their character
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 4:37 PM
Hey I live in Southern California, does that make me a southerner? Careful how you answer that…
doriangrey on October 19, 2007 at 4:40 PM
I’m 6’2″ 200lbs and played Texas High School Football. I graduated from the University of Texas in only 3 years and the University of Texas School of Law in only 2.5 years. I know dumb hicks. I grew up with dumb hicks. I think I’m a wee bit brighter. Thank you.
They are all dead, but if they were alive, they too would think Fred was a demagogue playing on the ignorance of the “common folk.”
If you don’t know what a demagogue is look it up.
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 4:45 PM
I wondering exactly what context “What’s a dollar?” was using here…
He’d better be careful considering there are many countries that have been around longer than we have.
I guess it really doesn’t matter what his context is but rather the people who applauded it. If they really believe that in the context of non-specific sacrifice, then they are a bunch of fools wanting to be fooled by a lying scumbag lobbyist who gave legal advice to terrorists helping them avoid justice for 11 years.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 4:48 PM
That is the problem. He is taking advantage of the “average Conservative.” He knows the “average Conservative” is looking for a candidate that looks and sounds like him and came from the same part of the country as him. He’s an actor for Pete’s sake, he knows how to play a roll, and he is playing it. Don’t over-analyze him, don’t look at his past of lobbying for scumbags and representing terrorists, don’t think about the meaning of his vague platitudes, just listen to his Southern drawl, wink back at him and vote for him, because he is “one of us.”
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 4:59 PM
That was awesome!
Totally wrong, but f*#king awesome….it wouldn’t be a Fred! thread without some csd lovin’.
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 5:03 PM
Truly said. These people hear him talk about praying to know what is the right thing to do, yet this scumbag gave legal advice to terrorists, lobbied for abortion, dictators, and against asbestos victims. He authored CFR and funneled campaign cash to his son. There is no one so foolish as those who want to be fooled.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Really? What’s wrong about it?
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Dr. Page certainly leaves that impression, doesn’t he? Going strictly by what Rudy allegedly said, it was ambiguous. As many commenters have pointed out, as a Catholic, Rudy could have merely been uncomfortable with sharing his private spirituality in such an intimate way. To be frank, Page’s invitation came off to me like a cheap come-on.
It shouldn’t matter. I accept, as a non-believer, that this country’s foundation and culture is deeply informed by Christian values. Honestly, I think that’s great. I admire Christian values even if I disagree with the specific mythology surrounding them.
We’re electing the president, though, not the pope. There is no constitutional requirement that a candidate be a certain religion, or even a certain brand of religion. There shouldn’t be a political requirement to that effect, either. If a good Samaritan comes along (how often people forget the real message of that parable), I would hope that American Christians would be willing to consider him.
RightOFLeft on October 19, 2007 at 5:14 PM
You haven’t convinced many if any here yet with your drivel, but your entertainment value is going up and up and up…..
Read this and try to stay calm.
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 5:20 PM
Well, I guess you might have Southern spirit. ;)
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Is this supposed to impress me? You obviously have a less than accurate bias against Southerners. That is not a sign of great intellect.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 5:23 PM
There you go again.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Nice try. You stuck your foot in your mouth, now defend your remark. You said that it was wrong. Do you really think people are being rational if they believe that the US has shed more blood than any other country? Anyone that believes that is a fool. A.straight.up.fool.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Ah, so, according to you, Fred is taking advantage over “stupid” “average” Conservatives? Sorry, unlike you, I hold the intellect of Conservatives in high regard. And again you are obssessed with his Southern accent. MANY CONSERVATIVES do not come from the South, and Fred apeals to Conservatives across America, whether or not they sound like him.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 5:33 PM
The USA has sacrificed far more for others freedoms than any other country.
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 5:34 PM
You want to back that up with an example?
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 5:37 PM
That’s your biggest complaint about Fred?
Mine is that he employs an Islamic jihadist as his campaign director and tried to lie about it.
Loundry on October 19, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Vietnam, WW 1 and 2, Korean, Civil, Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom………just to name a few.
Now be gone………….trollski.
omnipotent on October 19, 2007 at 5:52 PM
That’s one of those vague platitudes that mean absolutely nothing but make “average Conservatives” swoon for Fred.
Great Britain shed alot of blood, but where they fighter for others freedom or colonialism — then again were we fighting for others freedom or oil at market prices.
Fred’s not talking to rational people. He’s talking to “average Conservatives” they love slopp like that.
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 5:55 PM
I don’t mean to be rude, but don’t they teach logic, argumentation, and debate in law school? You may have some legitimate points to make, but they are getting lost in a variety of logical fallacies, not the least of which is the ceaseless ad hominem. I teach classes in these areas to undergraduates (I am a Ph.D. in Virginia, by the way), and any of my students who conducted themselves this way in a debate would expect to fail. One doesn’t need to be a Thompson supporter to think you don’t represent your position in a terribly compelling way.
DrMagnolias on October 19, 2007 at 5:56 PM
Not one single one of those wars were fought to free others. There were fought to keep Americans free.
You are one of those “conservatives” who get all gushy inside when “What’s a dollar?” lies just to take advantage of your ignorance. I tell you what….when you’re ready to be a real conservative, c’mon back. Fred is speaking to the most gullible among us. And fortunately, there aren’t very many of them. Still too many, but with my help, eventually they will be educated and will step into the light with we real conservatives.
So we’re waiting for ya buddy. Just take that first step into enlightenment.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 6:03 PM
So, according to you, the BIG, BRILLIIANT, LAW SCHOOL GRAD, Average Conservatives are not rational? Hmmm, very telling comments.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 6:03 PM
He isn’t debating logical people. The Fred groupies are misguided and couldn’t care less about the facts. Although we have enlightened many of them and they are now hedging their bets on Fred, we have a few hard-headed ones who just refuse to see the facts.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 6:05 PM
Hmmm, the French, and South Koreans MIGHT differ with you there, but what do THEY know.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 6:05 PM
The Vietnamese thought they were fighting for their own freedom from the colonial successor to the French
to save the British banking industry
to extend our dominance in the Pacific, protect our colonies, save the British banking industry again
to protect a friendly dictatorship from going communist
That was between Americans. It wasn’t for others freedom
oil
oil
oil
Sorry, I’m sure all this history will be confusing to the “average Conservative.”
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 6:06 PM
Five bucks says when he lobbied for those abortion groups, he was in support of keeping women from veiwing sonograms because that might affect their decision, unlike the “solid information” given by Planned Parenthood.
Or how about the “I’ve always been pro-life” line. Fraud! just overflows with love of God’s comandments. Bearing false witness? Why, he’s done every definition of that, the filthy two-faced lobbyist.
Thou shalt not steal? Not in Fraud!’s downhome Sutharn Bible. He missed that commandment, since he can’t keep the money given to him in good faith, he funnels it to his son.
Good old Fraud! Thompson. More smoke and mirrors, less substance. Fraud! wins the day for pulling the wool over peoples’ eyes.
And what’s this “first hour” crap? Is this going to be like Nan-nan’s first 100 hours? The only thing Fraud! is going to be doing in his first hour is funelling some dough to his son, maybe sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom, you know, doing things only a president can do, and probably pulling a Billy Jeff Clinton with an intern.
BKennedy on October 19, 2007 at 6:11 PM
I think tommylotto is a liberal hack for Hillary who’s REAL SCARED of Fred.
I think tommy knows that Hillary can beat both Rudy and Mitt with one hand tied behind her back. In fact I think ole Hill will run to the RIGHT of Mitt or Rudy.
But tommylotto and his lib friends are feelin’ a deep seated fear of Fred- because Hillary can’t beat him and they know it.
Listen to tommylotto’s comments and tell me you don’t hear an exasperated lib who just CAN’T BELIEVE how hard he’s havin’ to work to get the dumb ole conservatives to blow themselves up!
Ex-tex on October 19, 2007 at 6:12 PM
I am starting to wonder myself
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 6:13 PM
You are absolutely right. The US was attacked on Dec 7th. We entered the war for our own protection.
We entered WWI because Germany was attacking US shipping and they were trying to make a deal to bring Mexico in as an axis ally.
Yeah, I am not impressed by these fools. They sit at Fred’s feet lapping up his bile and LOVING it. I’m too wise for that.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Hey Doc, don’t get mad at me. I’m not the one calling the average conservative an idiot. I used that phrase in quotes to imply the meaning attributed to that phrase by good’ol Gatordoug:
And who says I’m trying to persuade people. I’ve tried that, but the “average Conservative” won’t listen. Now I’m just amusing myself by twisting the pigs ear and listening to it squeal.
tommylotto on October 19, 2007 at 6:15 PM
The question is: What do you know? You want to put that in context? Explain how the US entered those conflicts for the sole benefit of their country.
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 6:17 PM
csdeven on October 19, 2007 at 6:17 PM
I KNOW South Korea would not be free today if not for us. Same for much of Europe.
Gatordoug on October 19, 2007 at 6:19 PM
pssst… your tinfoil hat is showing, moonbat.
Hollowpoint on October 19, 2007 at 6:19 PM
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