ABC News: Israel may have had a spy inside the Syria nuke plant
posted at 10:07 pm on October 19, 2007 by Bryan
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And that’s how they knew it was a nuke plant.
Israeli officials believed that a target their forces bombed inside Syria last month was a nuclear facility, because they had detailed photographs taken by a possible spy inside the complex, ABC News has learned…
The official said the suspected nuclear facility was approximately 100 miles from the Iraqi border, deep in the desert along the Euphrates River. It was a place, the official said, “where no one would ever go unless you had a reason to go there.”
But the hardest evidence of all was the photographs.
The official described the pictures as showing a big cylindrical structure, with very thick walls all well-reinforced. The photos show rebar hanging out of the cement used to reinforce the structure, which was still under construction.
There was also a secondary structure and a pump station, with trucks around it. But there was no fissionable material found because the facility was not yet operating.
The official said there was a larger structure just north of a small pump station; a nuclear reactor would need a constant source of water to keep it cool.
The official said the facility was a North Korean design in its construction, the technology present and the ability to put it all together.
It was North Korean “expertise,” said the official, meaning the Syrians must have had “human” help from North Korea.
That’s the positive side; read the article to learn the roles that Secretary of State Rice and Secretary of Defense Gates are reported to have played. I say “reported to have played” because there could be and probably is a great deal more to this than “Israel wanted to attack but the Bushies wanted them not to.” I’m not saying that it’s hard to imagine our government taking such a weak stand, because it’s not. Just…I don’t know. I don’t quite buy things as reported.
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You magnificent bastards!!!!! (the Israelis I mean)
When are we going to see a movie based on this whole thing again?? Oh, that’s right NEVER.
mjk on October 19, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Maybe 10 years we will get the whole story….in the meantime whatever Syria bought is now broken. Shame isn’t it?
Limerick on October 19, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Yeah – a real pitty.
Editor on October 19, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Oh Really!? YA THINK???
R D on October 19, 2007 at 10:27 PM
I wonder if all the materiel was from NK? Think some Iraqui WMD’s might be nearby?
stonemeister on October 19, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Oops, meant Iraqi.
stonemeister on October 19, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Stonemeister, I think it’s more than possible Saddam would have been working with Kimmi. So, yeah, it’s definitely plausible, if not likely.
Editor on October 19, 2007 at 10:31 PM
So why risk starting World War III (IV, V, VI) by blowing up a building foundation? A building still under construction?
rockhauler on October 19, 2007 at 10:33 PM
But Bush still lied, right? TELL ME BUSH STILL LIED!!
/sarcasm
stonemeister on October 19, 2007 at 10:33 PM
One solid, set in stone, can’t dispute it fact….it wasn’t an aspirin factory.
Limerick on October 19, 2007 at 10:37 PM
“Confront not attack” says Rice, Gates & Company. Let’s see, “confront not attack” has worked so brilliantly in Iran? These people will kill us all with their sage advice.
Captain America on October 19, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Once again, Bravo Zulu to the Israeli military!!!
Be’ein Tachbulot Yipol Am(Without cunning a nation shall fall)
Mooseman
Mooseman on October 19, 2007 at 10:44 PM
Several reasons. 1: Deterrence. It was Israel’s way of telling Syria NFW were they going to get nukes. 2: To show Iran what could be done to them. 3: Because you don’t wait until they’ve finished, reinforced, and guarded it to attack–why risk your pilots and soldiers?
I’m sure there are more, but I’m not an expert, and I don’t play one on TV.
Meryl Yourish on October 19, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Existence.
angryoldfatman on October 19, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Thanks Bryan. I sent an e-mail about this 5 hours ago, but figured the site had just reverted over to a Friday Stupid Free-For-All.
As for the article, it does seem odd that the U.S. would take that weak of a position towards a nuke facility. However, I could easily see the administration not wanting to do anything to mess with all the gains being made in Iraq, especially since the site wasn’t completed. Heck, President Bush could wait until January 09 to bomb it and still have the same effect.
BadgerHawk on October 19, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Because they are smarter and have more BALLS than we do!
R D on October 19, 2007 at 10:57 PM
All hail Israel. THIS is how you do a pre-emptive strike. I don’t recall any “diplomacy” on this matter.
SouthernGent on October 19, 2007 at 11:05 PM
I’m highly disappointed in Condi Rice. She’s starting to look like the Leaning Tower.
In Acphlegmed fashion, “No NFL Commissionership for you”!
Helloyawl on October 19, 2007 at 11:29 PM
I can see such a weak stance on our government because it happened already…
When Israel attacked Saddam’s reactor…
Fast forward to about 38:30 into the video to see how our government reacted.
F15Mech on October 19, 2007 at 11:29 PM
One solid,set in stone,can’t dispute it fact….it wasn’t
an aspirin factory.
Lemerick on October 19,2007 at 10:37PM.
Amen to that Lemerick,and it certainly wasn’t a baby formula plant,like Clinton ordered;in that strike I like to know who p!ssed off the muslims first,oh thats right Slick Willy.
The Isreals will take out any threat to there existence,
and rightly so,world history has proven this time and time again.There own history has proven they don’t have the luxury of waiting.When the rest of the middle east is saying wipe out Isreal,Isreals aren’t playing word games,
Isreals are trying to be one step ahead of the bad guys.
After the 1967 and 1973 wars,Isreal has the right to be on
a constant defence posture period.
canopfor on October 19, 2007 at 11:48 PM
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Meaning a design that the Clinton Administration gave to them.
Good job Bubba! We need to elect your wife to sell us out some more!
conservnut on October 19, 2007 at 11:50 PM
People used to go to war over stuff like this. What the hell are we waiting for. Don’t occupy the land, just rubble it. We’ll send them back even further then they already are to the Middle Ages.
Mojave Mark on October 19, 2007 at 11:52 PM
I really think that all this happened because of Ehud Barak. I mean, he was a really weak Prime Minister, but he understands what needs to be done as Defense Minister. Militarily, he’s probably the most expert in this sort of pre-emptive or scare the living s*(& out of the neighbours business considering all the stuff he was involved in when he was active duty in the commando units.
I can also guarantee that the Israelis, although they take into consideration what the US says, don’t give a flying fart what the Americans or the UN says. They do what they gotta do to survive and “over there”, they gotta do a lot to keep the neighbours off balance. This is just one more way for the Israelis to flex their muscles and considerable expertise to the world and to show what they will and will not do.
mjk on October 19, 2007 at 11:57 PM
Before the Israel love fest gets out of hand take a look at
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/04/23/liberty.attack/
34 Americans dead and numerous wounded. Note particularly the reasons they seemed to want us out of the area.
I support Israel but we shouldn’t sugar coat their every move as a noble gesture that the US supports.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 12:10 AM
The early rumors were that they had commandos there before the bombing that returned with photos and same collateral evidence. That sounds more likely. I have friends in Israel that told me this on Yom Kippur! shhhhhh – lol! WHatever the case you can be sure that they have shown the USA and UN some serious proof that they were developing a nuke facility.
iam7545 on October 20, 2007 at 12:19 AM
The Israelis don’t have the comfort of waiting to see if diplomacy will work. They live the terror every day with rock throwers attacking constantly, mortars flying in at all times of day or night, bombings on busses, in cafes, nightclubs. They have adapted, and we should take notice because we could be next.
R D on October 20, 2007 at 12:28 AM
Imagine that. A book says
something about ‘67 and and that makes it true. I can write a book. Hell, Al Gore made a movie, and that still doesn’t make it true.
R D on October 20, 2007 at 12:38 AM
Ever since the WMD intel disaster, our intel reports are constantly being questioned. It’s very possible that the administration is gun shy in acting on the intel it receives.
The problem in my view is that we have entirely too much media involvement in our intel activities.
csdeven on October 20, 2007 at 12:44 AM
We wouldn’t have dreamed of anything but a bomber/fighter run or a smart bomb/missile launched from a ship. WE just didn’t have photos of our own.
add this:
equals= a safe way to help the Israelis without looking like we helped the Israelis.
Grand total= no nuke plant in Syria and no retribution planned by Syrians or their allies (terrorist states, etc) against us.
shooter on October 20, 2007 at 12:46 AM
I’m quite sure that the families of the 34 US servicemen will tell you it is not some work of fiction.
http://www.nsa.gov/liberty/misc.cfm
http://www.gtr5.com/
or
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=uss+liberty+.edu
to see the 1.7 million pages that mention it.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 12:47 AM
I agree. There are things that are kept secret for decades after being classified. Some for as much as 75-100 years. And for good reason.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 12:50 AM
This just in …..
Israelis release photo of undercover spy, wearing clever disguise he used to infiltrate Syrian nuclear facilities.
fogw on October 20, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Kinda like why we support Israel, even though there may have been an encounter in ‘67.
R D on October 20, 2007 at 1:03 AM
I wish they would have got her on the way out.
R D on October 20, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Not the same RD. When a country feels it can kill our troops to prevent us from seeing possible atrociities it has crossed the line. There is no excuse nor should there be.
You keep saying “may”. Don’t be obtuse. It is a historical fact.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 1:06 AM
Ok. It is fact. 40 years ago. Do you remember the world back then? Do you know why we still support Israel after this atrocity? Sh!t happens, and you choose your friends and you stick with what is right. Life is not perfect, which is what you were saying in the first place. So shut up…. ;-)
R D on October 20, 2007 at 1:22 AM
So when shown you were wrong your only recourse is tell someone to shut up. Truth is only good when convenient? By your logic if we patch things up with Iran, in 40 years we should purge the history books of their take over of the US embassy or providing the insurgents with IEDs to kill our troops.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 1:28 AM
You don’t get it, and I’m out of time.
R D on October 20, 2007 at 1:31 AM
Someone that can be so cavalier about an incident in which our own military personnel were killed by an ally doesn’t get it.
If some Iraqi soldiers killed some of our troops I’m sure you would take a different position altogether on that.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 1:34 AM
Here’s a list of the US’s friendly fire incidents in the first couple of weeks of Desert Storm.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/07/1049567623996.html
It happens. And we weren’t fighting for our nation’s very existence against overwhelming odds.
pedestrian on October 20, 2007 at 2:55 AM
and why the fuck woudl you report that? it pisses me off when you people and other in the media report people in dangerous positions… why would you propigate this story? do you want him to be killed? do yuo want him to be captured? what exactly is the point of this story?
Kaptain Amerika on October 20, 2007 at 3:07 AM
The question now is, how long’s it gonna be before Harry Reid takes a “we” credit for Israel’s planting a spy in that Syrian complex too?
Teddy on October 20, 2007 at 3:09 AM
I’m concerned that ABC is “burning” whatever covert intelligence assets the IDF had by this report.
We (the American public) don’t “need to know” (or need to confirm to Syria) that the Israelis had infiltrated the plant.
The “leaker” in the government (White House, State, or DOD) and Martha Radatz may have cost that person on the ground in Syria their life.
There is simply too much of this leaking crap going on from ABC News (among TV networks in particular), the New York Times, and the Washington Post.
georgej on October 20, 2007 at 3:11 AM
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 1:34 AM
Why do you care, handlicker. You liberal trolls HATE the military?
georgej on October 20, 2007 at 3:12 AM
Best comment of the thread!
Runner Up!
Buzzy on October 20, 2007 at 7:51 AM
This wasn’t a friendly fire incident. There is a world of difference between the two.
This from the guy who goes in an opposite direction if he comes within a mile of a recruiting station. Sure George, keep up with the insults…
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 8:19 AM
It was inevitable that The State Department would tell the Israelis to go the diplomatic route and leave the Syrian facility alone. This has been the State Department position for 100 years and it never worked. In 1981, The State Department told Israel to leave Sadaam’s nuclear facility alone and the issue would be raised at the UN. There was never an apology or an admission of bad advice from the State Department. Back in 1977, Carter’s Secretary of State, Cyrus Vance, allowed himself to be humiliated by Haffez El Assad, who made Vance wait in the hallway for 3 hours before Assad would let him in. Vance was too timid to criticize Syria’s conquest of Lebanon and its assassination of various Christian leaders. And we all know the result of that weakness on the part of Carter-Vance. The State Department is feckless in confronting Ahmdinejad. Condi Rice has taken the Lee Bollinger approach: Gently rebuke the Iranians while doing nothing about anything the Iranians are doing. The State Department is like the British Foreign Service and Neville Chamberlain in 1938. Chamberlain signed a worthless document at Munich, The British Foreign Service issues a “White Paper” gently criticizing Hitler and Hitler laughed all the way through Europe. I am sorry to have to say this but Condi is starting to sound a lot like Cyrus Vance and Warren Christopher.
Larraby on October 20, 2007 at 10:16 AM
But as ABC News reported in July, the Israelis made the decision to take the facility out themselves, though the U.S. urged them not to. The Bush administration, with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates leading the way, said the Israelis and the U.S. should “confront not attack.”
See, this doesn’t surprise me at all. I have my underlying theories that border on tinfoil hattery, but they seem to get reinforced on a weekly basis.
Krydor on October 20, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Couldn’t agree more.
BallisticBob on October 20, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Yeah, sorta breaks my heart. (Well, not really. Go Israel!)
Texas Nick 77 on October 20, 2007 at 11:13 AM
And we will, if we conservatives do not vote for the Republican nominee, regardless of who he is.
Texas Nick 77 on October 20, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Now I’m not exactly a military expert but Wikipedia provided the following examples of Friendly Fire incidents (much like the USS Liberty incident):
1. In October 1944 Soviet troops with help of Yugoslav partisan’s movement has oust German Nazi forces from city of Nis, in southern Serbia. While in Nis liberation celebration was underway, Soviet troops consisted of tanks were gaining toward Serbian capital Belgrade. In the same time about 50 km west, American air force were bombing German-Albanian unit which were entraining from Kosovo. Somehow, US air-forces probably uninformed about fast gaining of Soviet army have identified them as Germans and attack them. Soviet troops unable to defend, has called up for help, and soon from Nis airport has arrived Soviet air planes. Fight between US air forces and Red army airplanes took places above Nis itself, and last only 5 minutes, when both Russian and US command has ordered to their own planes to retreat.
2. In 1991, American A-10 during Operation Desert Storm attacks British armoured personnel carriers killing nine British soldiers (the same number as were killed by enemy fire in the whole war).
3. In 1974, Turkish Destroyer Kocatepe was sunk by Turkish aircraft during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.
Bradky, during the as they say “fog of war”, it’s apparently easy to do this. The difference is that the Israelis apologized after an investigation, gave restitution to the families of the dead sailors, and basically took responsibility for the mistake. The fact is, this incident is used by people to play the US against the Israelis, used by people to show that the Jews will kill anyone and are brutal terrible people. It was a mistake, plain and simple. Perhaps because a friendly fire incident happened between the Brits and the US, they should stop being allies too?
mjk on October 20, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Sounds like what happened around me in Baghdad for a while.
I know all too well what they are up against. May they always be so vigilent. As Tennessee Ernie Ford used to say, “Bless their pea-pickin’ hearts.”
Texas Nick 77 on October 20, 2007 at 11:24 AM
My friend, I could not agree with you more on that issue.
Texas Nick 77 on October 20, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Brains too.
Texas Nick 77 on October 20, 2007 at 11:33 AM
And another thread in which I arrived too late.
Good night, my friends, Have a nice day…
Texas Nick 77 on October 20, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Just so everyone doesn’t think I’m biased or anything…the Blue and White fly right under the Stars and Stripes in my yard.
Wouldn’t want the local DFW jihadis to get lost finding my house.
Limerick on October 20, 2007 at 11:42 AM
It’s total crap that there seems to be a leak war going on led by ABC & the NYT, why expose this amount of detail at ABC? Do we really need to print the 123 of how images are obtained. It’s crazy how many people are out to sabotage American foreign policy from within America. Like this guy..
Bradky, please give us all a break. Friendly fire incident, happens within Israel’s military itself, the US military, between American & Canadian militaries etc etc, it is a painful tragic aspect of warfare.
Any notion that there were orders to specifically send out planes to bomb an American boat is so beyond ludicrous it is a waste of time even responding to it. If that was the case the boat would have been sunk, these were planes on patrol that intercepted a target that was not supposed to be there in the height of the war.
Are you sitting around chronicalling other hundreds of FF incidents & also spinning conspiracy theories about them, or just the sole Israeli one?
Please don’t reply to my rhetorical question.
saus on October 20, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Tom Clancy couldn’t have written this better in his prime. Spies in nuclear facilities, electronic warfare, a daring air raid…. well done Israel.
Yakko77 on October 20, 2007 at 12:21 PM
For you and the couple of other people who think this story puts the life of the spy in danger: After an incident like this there is no way a spy would be sticking around. Syria would track back the past of every person at the facility and eventually figure out that one of their employees can’t be tracked back as far as the others. This doesn’t seem like the kind of mission where the spy hangs around to see if he can become a worker on the next facility.
But I have all 5 seasons of Alias, so I might not know what I’m talking about.
BadgerHawk on October 20, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Ok maybe you can educate me on when a dead American military person is a good and wholesome thing versus when it is a bad and evil thing. If you read any of the references you would have seen there was much more to that than friendly fire.
Absolutely unfrigging believeable.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 1:08 PM
Bradky just wants a reason to hate
JewsIsraelis.angryoldfatman on October 20, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Go pound sand Peckerhead.
R D on October 20, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha, you are quoting the anti-semitic truther and conspiracy theorist author James Bamford as proof of anything??? I always suspected you of being a truther Bradky.
doriangrey on October 20, 2007 at 3:03 PM
Gee Doris, I always suspected you of being a faux musician.
Bamford is not the only person who contends this. Even the NSA report which I linked has page after page that are blank because the information is still classified.
And now you whip out the race card. Go back to the studio my little friend.
Bradky on October 20, 2007 at 3:30 PM
Sorry dude, you’re the one who whipped out the race card. The second you used the USS Liberty to attack the “the Israel love fest” you whipped it out. Let me set you perfectly straight on a few little details. There is a small handful of former navy men who are responsible for 99 percent of the “Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty” crap. Of these five or so guys, four of them were on USS Liberty and one was a Navy JAG officer.
All five of them are well documented Anti-semitic KKK Stormfront grade racists. Their along with author James Bamford accusations and implications have been refuted by the US Navy’s JAG core. They are straight up truthers. Contrary to what you might believe the truther movement did not spring up full grown on 9/12/01, its been growing for a long time.
The bottom line is this, the USS Liberty was a US Navy spy ship that intentionally mis-reported it’s position and was not, I repeat NOT flying it’s American flag. It was 20 miles away from an Egyptian “freighter” that was spying on Israel and was accidentally attacked when it was mistaken for that Egyptian “freighter”.
I know this for a fact because my step-father was on the USS Liberty, he was one of the navy intelligence officers collecting electronic intelligence, not on what Israel was doing in the 1967 Israeli Arab war, but on what the Soviet Union was doing. The 1967 Israeli Arab war was just another proxy fight between the United States and the Soviet Union, and that is why the US Navy covered the incident up, not to protect Israel but to conceal the degree of involvement of both the soviet Union and the United states in that war.
doriangrey on October 20, 2007 at 4:23 PM
Thank you for settling that. And I am saving that for future reference. Also thanks to your step-father for his service.
R D on October 21, 2007 at 12:03 AM
So your step father is telling the truth and they are liars. Convenient. And you provide no proof except claims about “well documented” about the racist angle you keep throwing out. And you really know what is contained in the redacted documents. Riiiight
You may have convinced RD who could give a shit less about the death of 34 service people
but not me
Go ahead Doris impress me with more non-facts only your opinion and innuendo.
Bradky on October 21, 2007 at 12:55 AM
F-15I, AKA “Thunder“… as in what you hear after the flash of lightning, if you are still among the hearing.
drunyan8315 on October 21, 2007 at 1:05 AM
Well, well, well
The liberal troll-truther Bradky soils another thread with lies and misdirction and the usual juvenile leftie crap
Bradky has a ready library of lib-nutjob web sites to quote, but never has an original thought and never gives any hint of having more than a tenth grade education, supplemented by reading Newsweek and the NYT
Notice how he’s starting to give up on that “voice of reason” tone, but still likes to pout.
Janos Hunyadi on October 21, 2007 at 2:30 AM
Yeah, well, you have your story and Bradky has his.
(Sorry – couldn’t resist :-)
On a serious note: Thank you for sharing all of this.
RD on October 21, 2007 at 2:42 AM
Quoted from an earlier post (emphasis mine):
Wow.
doriangrey, I will admit to having been [previously] swayed by Bamford’s account in “Body of Secrets”, having heard no opposing view. The info Bamford had in his book claimed that the flag was clearly displayed. From what you are saying, it was not.
HUGE difference.
In any case, Bamford’s version didn’t alter my support of Israel one whit. Israel has been taking sh*t from the Arab League nations since before its own Day One (1948); so even if Bamford’s version was true, I understood the [suggested] motives, which I took to be pre-emption out of a legitimate fear of being wiped out by Nasser. He did have a track record behind him to reinforce such fears.
I really appreciate your post, though, to set things straight. I have a feeling that Bamford snowed a lot of people with his version of events; all I ask is that you continue to be patient in setting the record straight: not all of us who bought that story are anti-semitic.
And as you have stated, the Cold War was really many shooting wars on different fronts, proxied up only because if the US-Soviet confrontation ever became truly “hot”, it would have made the world glow too much for comfort.
What amazes me is how that proxy war shaped so much of US covert policy during the Cold War. One day I think I’m gonna write a book of my own about it.
Wanderlust on October 21, 2007 at 4:49 AM
I only know the story because it was a significant part of my step-fathers, shall we say death bed confession. It wasn’t so much a death bed confession as it was an angry rant against the US Government.
He was down right furious at the US Navy because so many of his fellow sailors had died aboard the USS Liberty and their families were never told the truth about the incident. He was also pretty pissed off at those of his fellow crew members who were blaming the Israeli’s claiming that Israel had knowingly and intentionally attacked them.
To clarify a little, my Step-father was not an officer he was an enlisted man. His rating was a Radioman second class at the time. His specialty was electronic intelligence. Like the majority of his fellow intelligence officer peers on the USS Liberty he isn’t listed in the official ships crew manifest.
This is what he was really ranting about. More guys actually died on the USS Liberty then the US Navy admitted to, because quite of few of those that died were not officially on board. When the Navy told their families that they were dead they lied to the families about where and when and how they died.
He understood why it was done at the time, but was still very angry that 30 years later the Navy had not corrected the deception and he didn’t believe they ever would. He believed that the families of his friends who had died on the USS Liberty deserved to know the truth about how and where and when their loved ones had really died.
As he put it, his bests friends family deserved to know that their son did not die in a drunken car crash in Morocco in 1968, but at his post serving his country on board USS Liberty in 1967.
The USS Liberty was trailing a Soviet submarine, the Soviet Sub was using an Egyptian freighter as a spy ship. Thats why the Israeli’s mistook the USS Liberty for that Egyptian freighter. That and the fact that the USS Liberty had intentionally misreported its position and was intentionally not flying its flag.
doriangrey on October 21, 2007 at 1:05 PM
I understand there is some emotion involved for you since this is your stepfather but a deathbed confession is not necessarily the end all truth. One of the Air Force officers that was at Roswell in ‘47 gave a death bed confession saying that he had really seen aliens.
I posted the NSA transcripts and pictures link along with several others. You are offering an interesting testimonial from one of the crew member but zero corroborating information.
You accuse his shipmates of being racists with no proof and that is patently unfair.
Bradky on October 21, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Nice straw man Bradky, the difference is that my step-father was not making anything remotely like an extraordinary claim. He was there and was part of the intelligence gathering team hence in the loop about what actually happened.
Bullshit, its well documented…..
doriangrey on October 21, 2007 at 2:44 PM
Who is “we” anyway? The US still has a largely Arabist State Department that can be pretty well relied on to take a jaundiced view of what Israel does in its own defence; we have Jimmy Carter, Mearsheimer & Walt, and a substantial percentage of university professors who teach constantly that Israel’s creation was dubious at best, and is a vehicle for the oppression of ya-da ya-da ya-da, there are plenty of Americans who view everything Israel does as being basically sh*t-coated. So what are you proposing? Even if I buy your version of what happened to the USS Liberty, I still don’t get where you are going with this. Israel blows up a nuclear reactor which is under construction in one of the most nefarious regimes on the planet–I say this is good news, and ought to be welcomed. You’re saying–what–because of something that (allegedly) happened 40 years ago we should–what–throw Israel under the bus? Protest this act of imperialist agression? Offer to rebuild the Sryian reactor with our lunch money? As the Israelis would say, “AZ MAH?” Lit, then what?, meaning what is your point already?
smellthecoffee on October 21, 2007 at 10:42 PM
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