Video: Bill Cosby on the Oprah Winfrey Show

posted at 9:25 am on October 18, 2007 by Bryan

The statistics are grim: Homicide is the leading cause of death for black men age 15 to 29. About 28% of all black men will end up in prison at some point in their lives. And so forth and so on until you just get numb with disbelief. In the worst days of segregation, things weren’t this bad for black families. What happened?

Along comes comedian Bill Cosby, who was on the Oprah show yesterday. It’s not hard to find some fault with some of the things that he says here and there, but at heart his diagnosis and the hard medicine that he prescribes to cure the ills that plague black America are deeply and profoundly socially conservative: Family, fathers, faith and fighting for your children. I’m not trying to claim Cosby is a Reagan conservative or a closet Republican or anything like that, but his message is at heart the same message that the family values folks get tarred for proclaiming all the time. It’s the same message that earned Dan Quayle years of ridicule. But it happens to be the truth.

Link: sevenload.com

If I had to guess, this is not the kind of thing Cosby has in mind.

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Unfortunately, it’s not their truth…

Unfettered access to abortion clinics, replacing the father with a welfare check, etc., is what the leftists idea idea of family values are.

Good on you Bill, you’ve been saying this for years, keep plugging away!

rightside on October 18, 2007 at 9:28 AM

You know, he’s not really saying anything new – socially conservative or not, what he’s talking about is just how to be good parents.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:30 AM

what he’s talking about is just how to be good parents.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:30 AM

And what’s so sad, is hearing that is a breath of fresh air in today’s world.

amerpundit on October 18, 2007 at 9:34 AM

I’ve said it before and now again: Sevenload is a horrible host. Nothing like waiting 20 seconds to hear 3 seconds and waiting 20 again.

I’m sure Bill is right on, but I can’t wait 30 minutes.

Hoodlumman on October 18, 2007 at 9:38 AM

Unfettered access to abortion clinics, replacing the father with a welfare check, etc., is what the leftists idea idea of family values are.

I call b.s. on that. Find me a single lefty who quotes that as his/her idea of family values. You will not.

I’m pretty sure there are millions upon millions of “leftists” who come from two-parent families, and have two-parent families of their own.

Stick to the subject, which is that the African American community has faltered because it is raising an entire generation of children who have absent fathers and impoverished mothers (due in part to the absent fathers). Bill Cosby and Oprah are talking about how things need to be fixed. Not blamed.

Meryl Yourish on October 18, 2007 at 9:38 AM

I call b.s. on that. Find me a single lefty who quotes that as his/her idea of family values. You will not.

“It takes a village.”

They wouldn’t go so far as to quote it as an ideal, because that would be taking sides, and saying something is better than another. But those brain-twisted lefties sure do believe it. LINK NOT PROVIDED.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 9:42 AM

So where are the Clips of Star Parker, talking about the same thing? I want to see how she was received on Oprah. I want to know how Oprah can reconcile her legitimization of Madonna’s “Art”.

Nyog_of_the_Bog on October 18, 2007 at 9:44 AM

amerpundit on October 18, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Agreed. There’s one thing I’ve never understood about the African American culture: Black parents can nurture their children and set boundaries just as much as white parents, take your pick. It doesn’t take “two parents” to go up to your child’s school and chat with the teacher. It doesn’t take money to monitor your children’s friends. It isn’t a black or white thing to read to your kids each night before bed. It isn’t a poverty thing to turn off the t.v. and play a family game of scrabble or checkers.

It’s a head scratcher to me.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:45 AM

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 9:42 AM

Actually, I believe that is DOES take a village. When everyone in your village is “on the same page,” families work together to monitor the kids, walk them to school, feed them dinner, watch them when something comes up at work. Neighbors and school CAN help “raise kids” especially when they all hold the same values.

The problem nowadays is that the family unit is isolated from neighbors – maybe because everyone is so busy, maybe because the neighborhood isn’t safe, maybe because kids don’t play outside as much anymore. There isn’t a lot of neighbor interaction.

I’m very fortunate that I’ve had the opportunity to live in two communities in Texas that we’ve nicknamed Mayberry. The kids roam in packs, play outside, ride bikes after dinner, end up in each other’s backyards, etc. Since I don’t have any family where I live, I couldn’t do it without the support of our friends, neighbors, church and school communities.

So, I think the village idea works well.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:51 AM

I took a look at Bryan’s link to the “Jena 6″ “boys”. Their demeanor in the two photos shows an attitude of arrogance and disrespect. These two, and their ilk, should be on revs Jackson and Sharptons list of why there is still racism in this country, because they are the ones that perpetuate the stereotype and keep racism alive.

And my wife has threatened to buy a bushel of belts and start handing them out to the punks who have their hands in their crotches in order to keep their pants up. That goes for you white boys too.

MrFreeman07 on October 18, 2007 at 9:54 AM

Good on you Bill.

Spirit of 1776 on October 18, 2007 at 9:59 AM

… raising an entire generation of …

Meryl Yourish on October 18, 2007 at 9:38 AM

No, Meryl. Raising a third generation of … And blaming everyone else in the universe for the problem, and voting for the people who would gladly continue that spiral in monolithic percentages that exceed any other racial group in American politics for uniformity.

No, all leftists aren’t raised by single mothers; no one suggests that, and in fact most of the partisan Democrats I know live socially conservative lives — two parents, at home, high standards for academic performance and (maybe less so) some expectation of acceptable behavior by their kids as far as underage drinking and sex and drugs.

But the point is that they look at the black community and lower their expectations and lower their standards and blame (white conservatives) everyone but blacks for the disastrous trends there.

“The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations” is a very real thing.

Jaibones on October 18, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Apparently, Oprah finds being a good parent “controversial”. What better indication of the utter sickness of the liberal mind?

Halley on October 18, 2007 at 10:01 AM

Cos is a national treasure.

Valiant on October 18, 2007 at 10:09 AM

…It’s a head scratcher to me.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:45 AM

It’s really not that hard to figure out. What we’re witnessing is a pretty simple feedback loop.

There are no instruction manuals for being a parent so most of us take our use the job our own parents did as a starting point. If your parents never pulled out the scrabble board and played with you, visited your teachers, checked up on your friends, chances are you won’t be naturally inclined to do such things with your children.

In the case of this feedback loop, the consequences of the negative behavior lead to two things: 1) rapid reproduction due to pregnancy at a young age (thus the frequency of generations is high) and 2) exacerbation of poor parenting tendencies due to incarceration and/or death of fathers caused, in part, by poor parenting of the boys.

The only way to change things is to break the cycle (or loop or generational curse if you will). That can only be done via intervention by those who are already outside of the cycle.

Just the observations of one man with absolute moral authority.

12thman on October 18, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Actually, I watched a few reruns of “A Different World” yesterday. It’s hard to watch that show, then flip over to mtv and NOT feel like something has gone terribly wrong in the black community.

Zach on October 18, 2007 at 10:12 AM

12thman on October 18, 2007 at 10:09 AM

Yes, but this stuff is just plain ‘ole common sense. I don’t completely buy into your argument. It sounds like you are making excuses.

Are you an Aggie, 12thman? :)

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 10:15 AM

This all seems like a no-brainer to me too. My kids were raised poor, and not only did they all go through high school without ever once getting in trouble, they all have graduated from college–3 of them from an elite school to boot–and all either have done grad school, are doing it, or have it on tap for next year.

What did it take? A lot of effort on the part of their mother, that’s what. I was at the school, I knew every teacher. I gave up things for myself so they could do the things they needed to do. I don’t own my own house, don’t have a lot of cool stuff.

But I have GREAT kids.

And I might add that what pulled my parents out of poverty, and what pulled me out of poverty was education, primarily on the part of the Mom in the family after the kids got grown/bigger, but also with my dad to a lesser extent. Their children/grandchildren who did not educate themselves are still living in poverty and unless they figure it out, will likely continue to do so. California taxpayers’ dollars have been very well spent on us, as we have paid back much more than we received. And grateful for it, too.

And that has nothing to do with the color of anyone’s skin.

Bob's Kid on October 18, 2007 at 10:19 AM

I’ve never found fault with anything he has said. He is just repeating actual conversations I’ve heard growing up concerning us and criminal, anti-social behavior. Prior to 1970 the black community was anchored by the presence of two parent working class families. I only knew of one family where there wasn’t a father in the house, and that was because he was killed in Vietnam. After 1970 the “Fair Housing Act” allowed black families who have the means to move from the inner cites to the suburbs, where we all took advantage of the “American Dream” of a home with a picket fence. Unfortunately, this destabilized the community leaving those who where financially unable or criminally active behind. As a result the unfettered presence of criminal elements, plus the economic downturn of the 70′s combined with the absence of a stabilizing middle class, the community imploded. In 1985 I went with my bride to visit the house in which my family and I lived until 1970. I was shocked, the neighborhood was so bad and the house so torn up that we just drove by without stopping. Now 12 years later, it is the most crime ridden section of Baltimore if not the nation.

Now I look at my son’s friends, none of whom have two parents at home. He is the rare Black kid with a two parent family. We have found that to fit in he is mimicking the behavior of those kids to the detriment of his academic success. The socialist government of California did not make the situation any easier, as they spend millions of dollars to placate the local “Poverty Pimps”. The schools never advised us of his progress because they assumed we didn’t care. Parent teacher night at his school was a joke. We finally moved to Texas, which is not Utopia by any means, to seek a place where the stability of the family truly matters. But again I take note of what is occurring in California and I fear the situation created in Baltimore is now being recreated on the state level. And with California politicians ruling the government, it won’t be long until the situation explodes nationally. We already have that very thing replicating itself in Dallas and most of the urban areas around the country.

We tried to make things better in California, but we found ourselves in a two prong battle. The state and local government unwillingness to truly address the issues; and the community’s inability to own up to their own responsibilities made for a very dire situation. We had to leave, as we were not going to sacrifice our children any longer to that situation. Now that I’ve removed my children out of the “Ghetto”, I’m now working on removing the “Ghetto Mindset” out of my children.

Zaire67 on October 18, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Nah. If you and your husband weren’t doing your job, the neighbors’ good intentions wouldn’t matter. My neighbors are far left materialistic secularists whose kids drive fancy cars to HS. My kids are (usually) conservative, kind, respectful, and humble. Your village is the whipped cream on the sundae you made.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 10:23 AM

Sorry. My comment was for Pullingmyhairout.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 10:25 AM

Now that I’ve removed my children out of the “Ghetto”, I’m now working on removing the “Ghetto Mindset” out of my children.

Zaire67 on October 18, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Great post. Since you were so immersed in that situation (and I applaud you for having the fortitude to leave it), what is it about the “ghetto mindset” that people find so appealing?

We finally moved to Texas, which is not Utopia by any means,

Well, glad you’re finally here! I hope you find that Texas is just a little slice of heaven, even if you must live in Dallas. :)

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 10:27 AM

Part of the problem is the “perpetual adolescent” going on in all families, black, white, orange, whatevs. Instead of taking responsibility like grown ups, people of my generation have been taught to do whatever makes you feel good. Taking care of your own mistakes, owning up to your responsibilities doesn’t feel good most of the time. It sucks. We’re taught to follow our hearts, not realizing that following your heart also comes with a certain amount of responsibility.

So when someone my age wakes up one day with a credit score of 200, with three children and no discernable education, they whine about how the world has treated them wrong instead of realizing that they are to blame for their crappy decision making. (I’m actually using one of my family members as an example here) It’s definitely a failing of most people in the Western World though so can’t be a black thing.

I always thought Cosby was one of the most interesting people in that he’s not afraid to say what he really thinks, no matter how unpopular it may be.

mjk on October 18, 2007 at 10:28 AM

I saw a news report once on a high school where black students who studied and got good grades were harassed by their peers for ‘acting white’. Bill’s right – where’s the parents? An entire generation is being raised by gangsta rap instead of parents – with this as the result.

Keli on October 18, 2007 at 10:29 AM

Your village is the whipped cream on the sundae you made.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 10:23 AM

I guess so. I also guess that I’m in the minority, which is really sad. I’m lucky to wake up in a place where my kids can feel safe (and I can see the bay when I get my newspaper!!) and I really thank God for that.

We’ve worked hard to create a good, safe, healthy life for ourselves and for our kids. God willing, they’ll grow up to be productive citizens.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 10:30 AM

“It takes a village.”

They wouldn’t go so far as to quote it as an ideal, because that would be taking sides, and saying something is better than another. But those brain-twisted lefties sure do believe it. LINK NOT PROVIDED.

So you’re saying that it isn’t an ideal, and yet, you keep on bashing the floor with it. Link not provided? Because you can’t.

Rightside said that that leftist ideas of family values are the opposite of what family values are. I called b.s. on it. You are essentially saying that I’m right, and then repeating the thing I just called b.s. on.

You want to hand out some facts with those opinions, or are we just going to consider “Because I said so!” a good enough reason?

My synagogue is full of liberal Democrats who are decidedly left in their politics. My synagogue is also full of caring, two-parent families whose children are raised with love, kindness, and a sense of right and wrong, not entitlement. The richest kids in the group raised thousands of dollars for Darfur last year.

In fact, I would have to say that virtually all “leftists” that I know would never consider what Rightside said to be any kind of family value.

I’m sticking with my calling b.s. on his comment.

Meryl Yourish on October 18, 2007 at 10:49 AM

My heart breaks for this man every time I think about the tragic loss of his son Ennis in a senseless murder, and about Cos’s comments to the vultures in the media who stuck a mic and camera in his face with the “how do you feel?” question.

His answer, “What can I say? He was my hero…”

I wasn’t a father yet then. I am now, and I feel the same way about my son.

Cos is simply trying to talk some sense into our world where we have abdicated it to music videos and rap artists, hookup cultures, the pursuit of bling and what Laura Ingraham calls the “pornification” of our culture. And what happens? He gets pilloried from the same community he is trying to help and made to defend himself in front of the queen of all media. There’s something terribly wrong here.

God bless him. May he live long to continue to fight the good fight.

Captain Scarlet on October 18, 2007 at 10:52 AM

What happened?

I cannot find the link right now but if you want an answer to that question read a synopsis of John Ogu’s research. Any discussion about Blacks in America is moot if you haven’t read his research.

Theworldisnotenough on October 18, 2007 at 10:52 AM

Bill Cosby is right; the people criticizing him are just plain Crazy.

Always Right on October 18, 2007 at 10:59 AM

Any discussion about Blacks in America is moot if you haven’t read his research.

Theworldisnotenough on October 18, 2007 at 10:52 AM

I think you mean John Ogbu, one of the geniuses who brought us “Ebonics.”

His research was fairly provocative but not really groundbreaking. I think he was received with such fanfare because of his Nigerian heritage. It was still unique to hear black academics speak so frankly.

However I think attributing the entire range of problems with which blacks are struggling to one particular social dynamic is flawed. There are many facets to consider including our own government’s role in promoting a welfare state.

The Race Card on October 18, 2007 at 11:05 AM

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 10:15 AM

No, sorry not an Aggie. :( 12thman.us was the name of a blog I ran from 2001 – 2004.

I don’t mean to reduce the role of personal responsability to 0.

However, it is not unatural for the immature mind to almost exclusively pattern behavior after dominant role models. You show me a 5 year old that swears like a sailor and odds are the parents swear alot too.

Sure a parent in their mid 20s should be self aware enough to not blindly repeat all of the mistakes of their parents. But is it really that shocking when a 16 year old boy who never knew his father and hears nonstop in pop culture “I don’t love dem [gardening tool]s,” becomes an absantee dad?

Sure there is some common sense in parenting, but there’s a strong cultural component which too many people ignore.

12thman on October 18, 2007 at 11:06 AM

I listened to Cos the other night plugging his new book out and was a little dismayed to hear him still reference slavery and speak of institutionalized racism etc. being one of the root causes of the problems facing black Americans. The other thing that strikes me is how focused on blacks the conversation (s) is (are).
As much as I respect Bill Cosby for being a good comedian, and for sharing some of the views I hold, isn’t he being at least a little hypocritical seeing as he was accused of fathering a child with another woman, OUTSIDE of his marriage? Didn’t he also provided substantial financial support for the woman AND her daughter? It does not change the facts of what he is speaking about, but I think he should probably tone down the superiority complex and focus on two things:
1) How to help change the mindsets of American youths going forward. Put the focus on morals, values, honor and integrity. Success and safety will automatically follow.
2) Stop trying to “blame” anyone and take hold of the responsibility for our own actions, everyday, every time. Racial equality and harmony will automatically follow.

With the current atmosphere of blaming instead of taking ownership, looking for a handout instead of creating opportunities and justification of illegal and immoral behavior by pointing to history, we have a long way to go.

KMC1 on October 18, 2007 at 11:06 AM

And please note, I stated “American youths”.
Not “Black youths”.
End the racism already.

KMC1 on October 18, 2007 at 11:10 AM

So you’re saying that it isn’t an ideal, and yet, you keep on bashing the floor with it. Link not provided? Because you can’t.

Rightside said that that leftist ideas of family values are the opposite of what family values are. I called b.s. on it. You are essentially saying that I’m right, and then repeating the thing I just called b.s. on.

There’s a difference between “ideas” and “ideals”.

Leftist ideas are indeed

Unfettered access to abortion clinics, replacing the father with a welfare check, etc.

That those ideas are not congruent with their stated ideals does not change the effect of their ideas. If you haven’t seen Evan Sayet’s Heritage Foundation lecture How Modern Liberals Think, you should do so. It explains how people with good intentions can consistently advocate ideas that promote less than ideal outcomes.

The Monster on October 18, 2007 at 11:12 AM

Homicide is the leading cause of death for black men age 15 to 29. About 28% of all black men will end up in prison at some point in their lives.

Thank You God. I have made it long past 29; and as of this day, have done no prison time.

ttevolla on October 18, 2007 at 11:14 AM

Chances are you need to thank yourself as well for being a good person and not contributing or getting caught up in the problems.
God may be playing a central role, but you should be proud of who you are and take advantage of all the opportunities you find to have a great life.

Salute!

KMC1 on October 18, 2007 at 11:23 AM

My synagogue is full of liberal Democrats who are decidedly left in their politics. My synagogue is also full of caring, two-parent families whose children are raised with love, kindness, and a sense of right and wrong, not entitlement. The richest kids in the group raised thousands of dollars for Darfur last year.

And then consistently vote left, expanding welfare and other entitlements, the nanny state, sending a message of no personal responsibility creating a society full of what Larry Elder calls “victicrats“.

It explains how people with good intentions can consistently advocate ideas that promote less than ideal outcomes.

The Monster on October 18, 2007 at 11:12 AM

On the nose.

peski on October 18, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Bill Cosby is right; the people criticizing him are just plain Crazy.

Always Right on October 18, 2007 at 10:59 AM

Yep ! He’s even got the Jackson/Sharpton team against him.

Did Cos call the Oprah a Prostitute at the end ? : )

Texyank on October 18, 2007 at 11:26 AM

It’s a head scratcher to me.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:45 AM

Bill was on “Meet the Press” on Sunday and he said the same thing. He asked since when was getting an education “acting white”?

csdeven on October 18, 2007 at 11:27 AM

You can read the entire transcript or watch the entire show on MSNBC Meet the Press website. I recommend it to everyone.

csdeven on October 18, 2007 at 11:28 AM

I listened to Cos the other night plugging his new book out and was a little dismayed to hear him still reference slavery and speak of institutionalized racism etc. being one of the root causes of the problems facing black Americans.

Institutionalized racism still exists, but not for reasons you might think, and it’s not the ‘root cause’ of problems facing the black community.

The root cause of problems facing the black community is, as Cosby has described, lack of parental involvement, crime and drug use. These issues are so prevalent in many black communities that it does nothing to diminish the notion of institutionalized racism.

So, while Cosby might mention institutionalized racism, he doesn’t come down on ‘Whitey’ for it. Rather, Cosby’s main point is that individual black Americans must take responsibility for thier own actions. Then, as conditions improve within the black community, institutionalized racism (or I might argue the perception of institutionalized racism) will further diminish to a point where it no longer serves as an excuse to become a productive member of American society.

CliffHanger on October 18, 2007 at 11:34 AM

Yep ! He’s even got the Jackson/Sharpton team against him.

Of course he does. His message scares the Hell out of them, I’m sure. The concept of empowering individual black Americans goes against the collective because once individuals take responsibility for their actions and become contributing members of American society, they begin to see things in a different light. They no longer need Daddy Jackson and Sharpton looking out for them.

CliffHanger on October 18, 2007 at 11:39 AM

Then, as conditions improve within the black community, institutionalized racism (or I might argue the perception of institutionalized racism) will further diminish to a point where it no longer serves as an excuse to become that prevents someone from becoming a productive member of American society.

Fixed it… sorry.

CliffHanger on October 18, 2007 at 11:42 AM

My synagogue is full of liberal Democrats who are decidedly left in their politics. My synagogue is also full of caring, two-parent families whose children are raised with love, kindness, and a sense of right and wrong, not entitlement. The richest kids in the group raised thousands of dollars for Darfur last year.

Why Darfur? Because it’s the cause du jour for the liberal elite? Raising money for Darfur or whatever cause is so touchy feel-good. I have serious doubts if the deserving people of Darfur will EVER see that money. IMHO, the money raised should go towards parental education classes and increasing the opportunities of people in need in America. But that doesn’t make headlines…

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Link to the transcript of Cosby and Dr. Pouissant on MTP:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21293963/

And possibly the only time I’ll link approvingly to a Bob Herbert column, this one praising their book and its message:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/opinion/16herbert.html

Dudley Smith on October 18, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Common sense…that’s all it is, just plain common sense.

right2bright on October 18, 2007 at 12:47 PM

So, I think the village idea works well.

pullingmyhairout on October 18, 2007 at 9:51 AM

Unfortunatly, village is really too broad a word and really covers both a conservative and a liberal meaning.

Village:
1 a: a settlement usually larger than a hamlet and smaller than a town b: an incorporated minor municipality
2: the residents of a village
3: something (as an aggregation of burrows or nests) suggesting a village
4: a territorial area having the status of a village especially as a unit of local government

Wade on October 18, 2007 at 12:51 PM

This would be a good time to review the Rules To Avoid Poverty

First, graduate from high school. Second, get married before you have children, and stay married. Third, work at any kind of job, even one that starts out paying the minimum wage. And, finally, avoid engaging in criminal behavior.

It’s really not that complicated.

Pablo on October 18, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Pablo on October 18, 2007 at 1:03 PM

Shhhhhh if that gets out the democrats will loose control over the black vote.

Wade on October 18, 2007 at 1:08 PM

He’s a great man and like all great men he has his flaws. His flaw is having to acknowledge the politically correct boogieman of institutional racism. Where is racsim institutionalized? When he says that he gives everyone he talks to an excuse. His message is lost.

And how dare that nasty woman who just about owns North America claim to be one of the “people”. Where has racism hurt Oprah? From what I’ve heard her say, her relatives are the ones that did her harm.

peacenprosperity on October 18, 2007 at 1:46 PM

You are essentially saying that I’m right, and then repeating the thing I just called b.s. on.

Never said you were right. “It takes a village,” is Hillary’s socialist idea to raise your kids.

You want to hand out some facts with those opinions, or are we just going to consider “Because I said so!” a good enough reason?

Yes, I am not going to provide links that say Hil and other liberal leftards are socialists or worse who want aggressive income redistribution, government intrusion in all matters of life, including raising your own kids.

My synagogue is full of liberal Democrats who are decidedly left in their politics. My synagogue is also full of caring, two-parent families whose children are raised with love, kindness, and a sense of right and wrong, not entitlement. The richest kids in the group raised thousands of dollars for Darfur last year.

Yeah, the one near my house has a big banner about Darfur. (I think they must have finished saving the whales, or the dolphins, or whatever.) Why are all these secular Jews so interested in the cause-of-the-day, but haven’t much to say about Islamic terror and other issue that directly affect that community? They’re busy doing feel-good philanthropy, and finding out the best place to get the Acura detailed, nails done, or hair colored. The richest kids?? The richest kids?? WTF does that mean? A rich kid doesn’t go to Europe twice a year, attend $15,000 summer camps, ski trips, tennis lessons, and have their own bathroom and cell phone, not to mention $100,000 Bar-Mitzvah’s. Rich kids have two parents, live modestly, study, work hard, learn about God, and keep their noses clean. Let their lefty-liberal limousine Jew parents worry about Darfur. These kids never held a job in their lives. Even future accountants and lawyers ought to try McDonalds or mowing a lawn sometime.

In fact, I would have to say that virtually all “leftists” that I know would never consider what Rightside said to be any kind of family value.

I’m sticking with my calling b.s. on his comment.

Meryl Yourish on October 18, 2007 at 10:49 AM

You are a liberal. You are a whacko. The American secular Jewish community better start looking to conservative role models instead of the Susan Sarandons, Rob Reiners, and Barbara Streisands of this world. The uber-liberal Jewish Hollywood community is doing its damnedest to destroy this country. Your’s is a bankrupt philosophy which produces “caring” feel-good, and oh so superior narcissists. You’re better than me because you care. You care so much, that you even care about the little brown children in Africa. You are a saint. No go call for some take-out.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Meryl,

O/T — what exactly does this mean: “…raised thousands of dollars for Darfur last year…”

Jaibones on October 18, 2007 at 3:38 PM

I’ve been a fan of Cosby since Fat Albert. They certainly don’t make cartoons like that anymore. Funny, thoughtful, and you walked away knowing that you’d ‘learned a thing or two.’

- The Cat

MirCat on October 18, 2007 at 3:43 PM

I think his criticism applies to many “fathers” in general regardless of color! Now guys, before you bite my head off, I am referring to the increasingly large numbers of men of any color who do not marry and who father children and just walk away and father some more and don’t support or bother with those either. This is not just a black phenomenon though I guess, statistically, they are the worst offenders. I personally know a few white men doing the same thing. How they can have any respect for themselves no matter what their color is beyond my understanding. And some of these are not poor and uneducated, they just can afford good lawyers who know how and where to hide their incomes or protect assets from garnishing.

jeanie on October 18, 2007 at 3:58 PM

most of the partisan Democrats I know live socially conservative lives — two parents, at home, high standards for academic performance and (maybe less so) some expectation of acceptable behavior by their kids as far as underage drinking and sex and drugs.

Jaibones on October 18, 2007 at 9:59 AM

I love how conservatives attempt to marshal the idea of a two parent family living in *gasp* a home as a “socially conservative” life.

csdeven on October 18, 2007 at 11:27 AM

You realize people like Barack Obama and many others have been saying the same thing, right?

And how dare that nasty woman who just about owns North America claim to be one of the “people”. Where has racism hurt Oprah? From what I’ve heard her say, her relatives are the ones that did her harm.

peacenprosperity on October 18, 2007 at 1:46 PM

Ignorance like this is embarrassing.

Nonfactor on October 18, 2007 at 4:10 PM

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Probably one of the most bloated, tripe, opinion posts I’ve seen on this website.

Nonfactor on October 18, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Ignorance like this is embarrassing.

That’s your response? Where is an example of institutionalized racism aside from affirmative action?

peacenprosperity on October 18, 2007 at 4:35 PM

Are dark glasses now the new Cosby look?

I didn’t realize he was a diva.

Black Adam on October 18, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Nonfactor on October 18, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Pure opinon, and all true.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 4:42 PM

opinion

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 4:43 PM

It takes a village?

When the village is reminiscent of Sodom and Gomorra, you are asking for trouble.

There is only one cure for the ails of black and white Ghetto society and that is self reliance.

The move away from self-reliance is an absolute direct product of the welfare state.

The quickest way to ruin a person is to give them something they did not earn.

If you give a man fire

he is warm for a day.

If you set a man on fire

He is warm for the rest of his life.

TheSitRep on October 18, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Where is an example of institutionalized racism aside from affirmative action?

You know, Nonfactor, like the post office, a government school, a large corporation or that big building with the nice people where you go to get your medication.

peacenprosperity on October 18, 2007 at 4:48 PM

I salute you and WELCOME TO TEXAS!

TheSitRep on October 18, 2007 at 4:54 PM

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 2:01 PM

Meryl Yourish is not a whacko. Not by a very long shot.

Bryan on October 18, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Bryan on October 18, 2007 at 5:01 PM

There’s something wrong/suicidal about the Am. Jewish community. Her portrayal of the liberal democrats in her congregation is so typical. They’ve turned Judaism into shtick. Liberal Jews provide so much of the intellectual heft to the liberal movement, even as other elements on the left unite for their destruction. They are responsible for their arrogance, stupidity and downfall. Liberal jews like their rabbis female and gay, and their God, lite.

JiangxiDad on October 18, 2007 at 5:19 PM

I love how conservatives attempt to marshal the idea of a two parent family living in *gasp* a home as a “socially conservative” life.

Nonfactor on October 18, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Oh come on, Nonfactor, didn’t you even bother to watch the video or check any of Cosby’s quotes on the subject? 70% of babies born out of wedlock? Are you somehow unfamiliar with the number of black kids raised by single parents?

Focus, babe. Stay on topic.

And, yes, conservatives can easily lay claim to the notion of Mom and Dad at home being “socially conservative”, unless you want to attribute GLBT adoption to conservatives, somehow. This is not to say that I think only conservatives have Mom and Dad at home — I don’t, and I didn’t say that, just to clarify. I think I said something close to the opposite.

Jaibones on October 18, 2007 at 6:02 PM

Bryan on October 18, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Ditto.

Jaibones on October 18, 2007 at 6:03 PM

Are dark glasses now the new Cosby look?

I didn’t realize he was a diva.

Black Adam on October 18, 2007 at 4:39 PM

He’s worn them for quite some time. He had them on a few Emmy Awards ago when the abhorrent/co-host Wanda Sykes came down the aisle and started talking all jive to him, which he put down on live TV. The shades probably shielded her from seeing the daggers in his eyes directed at her.

Captain Scarlet on October 19, 2007 at 10:42 AM

I’m sorry that I missed this conversation.

Someone up-thread said that he/she

saw a news report once on a high school where black students who studied and got good grades were harassed by their peers for ‘acting white’.

From my school experiences starting in the mid sixties, this isn’t a new phenomenon. The difference, however, between then and now is that most black kids back then had two parental figures to counteract that sort of indoctrination. All too many black children these days don’t have a counteracting force as strong as the one with which I was blessed. (And, yes, even though it’s perpetrated by children, it’s correctly termed as ‘indoctrination,’ since the black children who “accuse” the black child of trying to be white have been indoctrinated by their parent[s].)

The devolution of black people with regard to the promotion/idolization of education has been a long process which needs to be itemized. I may come out of blog hibernation to make the attempt; it’s something that’s been on my mind for a while.

baldilocks on October 19, 2007 at 9:33 PM