So far, all I’ve heard from the social con leaders is threats.

Well don’t you know that’s all they’ve got? They have been threatening everyone for years and it’s high time The GOP put a stop to it.

They do not serve The Party, The Party is here for them to serve it, not the other way around. That’s the problem, members of The GOP do not love and respect The GOP and care about The GOP and work to advance the GOP. They use The GOP.

They are only interested in advancing their own special interests and raping and pillaging The GOP in the process.

The pecking order goes like this –

1). Love & serve your higher power
2). Love & serve your country
3). Love & serve The GOP

Or get out.

Yeah, I’m dying to know who these charletons think is worthy.

I’m just waiting for one of them to convince me their point of view is correct.

So far, all I’ve heard from the social con leaders is threats.

So there is a perfect conservative.

Who is it?

Yeah, I’m dying to know who these charletons think is worthy.

Again, they are not here to serve the good of the party.

If you cannot serve the party then perhaps the party is not for you, move on. I hear The Constitution Party is ready willing and able to meet your outlandishly rigid judgement and your windbag requests.

Your saying vote for evil… instead of putting up a candidate who is good!

Romeo13 on October 18, 2007 at 3:34 PM

So there is a perfect conservative.

Who is it?

But not before they’ve suceeded in slandering all the candidates on their way out, even the real Christian.

I think it’s about time it stopped.

Mike Huckabee is a decent Christian, what’s their damn problem with him??!! This is like the Twilight Zone!

This is exactly what I mean about these fools, give them an inch and they want to take the mile.

They are phony through and through and they are going to give away this election if they don’t get exactly what they want.

They care about the GOP my ass, I’m sick of their insubordination, they better back off. Mike Huckabee is a much more genuine and sincere Christian than any of them could ever hope to be.

Meh. I somehow got on Richard Viguerie’s email list.

All I’ve discovered from reading his screeds is that he’s a crank. I haven’t yet figured out who’s conservative enough to pass his test.

Even Fred Thompson, arguably the most conservative of the front-runners, isn’t conservative enough for him.

The guy is a crank, ZERO credibility.
Slublog on October 18, 2007 at 7:52 PM

All I’ve discovered from reading his screeds is that he’s a crank. I haven’t yet figured out who’s conservative enough to pass his test.

Even Fred Thompson, arguably the most conservative of the front-runners, isn’t conservative enough for him.

Calling Newt, calling Newt!!

MB4 on October 18, 2007 at 5:54

PM

I wish.

My conservative brethren in the op-ed commentariat have made a disquieting discovery: The Republican candidates for president are saying nothing that addresses the economic anxieties of the American middle class.

The Republicans’ problem isn’t just the silence of their candidates. It’s the silence of their ideology, which has neglected to notice that the world has changed.

Calling Newt, calling Newt!!

Are you saying they’ve learned their lesson from GWB?

Dudley Smith on October 18, 2007 at 5:21 PM

I can only hope. However social cons are only going to compromise so much, and abortion isn’t one of those issues they’re going to be very flexible on. That someone is a social con doesn’t imply that they don’t also support other conservative principles as well- in fact, the opposite is likely true.

Huckabee gets some support based solely on social issues, but once his record is examined a bit more thoroughly by the general public (if he gains enough support for people to bother), his social con street cred won’t be enough to overcome some questionable aspects of his record- not after watching “compassionate conservative” Bush Jr. for the past 7 years.

Read the article- he’s a big government nanny stater who’s not terribly fiscally conservative. That shouldn’t come as much of a surprise.

Social cons may want a socially conservative candidate, but that doesn’t mean they’ll overlook someone who hasn’t adhered to other conservative principles.

Hollowpoint on October 18, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Are you saying they’ve learned their lesson from GWB?

Rudy is a Steve Forbes style Capitalist flood the country with cheap serf labor Baron, contrasted to Hillary’s Groucho Marx.

Berlin Blockade

Korean War

Just to name the first two efforts…

Which did what against STALIN? Oh yeah, nothing. They were efforts against the spread of communism, not Stalin in particular, and even if you count them as such they’re still very small (insignificant, in fact) compared to what should’ve been done: crush Stalin after Japan was defeated.

One might argue (obviously in hindsight) that the policy of containment carried out during Stalin’s post WWII reign and those of his successors was monstrously insufficient, but the term “jack” is equally as monstrous in light of those who perished in the many battles against World Communism. And as to the assertion that the Soviet edifice fell on its own, this Cold Warrior finds it too laughable to even get angry over.

Equally monstrous? Are you demented? The policy of containment doomed tens of millions of people to their deaths and cursed billions to poverty induced by an utterly demented economic policy, and you have the balls to call it “equally mosntrous” to someone saying that policy was insignificant?

And since you’ve mentioned that you’re Canadian, I find it sad that you would term as “jack” the role that your countrymen played in the fight against Communism (see the two links and others).

baldilocks on October 18, 2007 at 4:04 PM

I’ve had relatives die to communism (I’m of East European descent). They died for nothing on the grand scale. Brave actions are still insignificant if you achieve nothing. Whether you like it or not, real life depends on results, not wishes.

In other words, Weyrich thinks social cons should be in it to win it, not just to make a show of withholding their vote from Rudy.

Please, Allah. If these guys could win a general election, they could nominate a candidate in the Republican primaries. Or, to put it another way, if they can’t win among Republicans, why should we think they could win a general election?

I really hope the other Christian leaders come this realization as well.

Push for a presidential and VP nominee that supports their values. That’s all well and good.

But don’t give away this election if they don’t get exactly what they want.

The alternative will be far worse for Christian values.

Hawkins1701 on October 18, 2007 at 4:16 PM

It doesn’t matter what the leaders do- most social cons don’t slavishly obey the will of religious leaders. There are a lot of voters for whom social issues- most importantly abortion- are their #1 priority, and they simply won’t vote for a pro-choice candidate.

People can whine about it all they want, call them stupid, whatever- it doesn’t change that reality.

We’ll still be here if the Democrats win next November.

Allahpundit on October 18, 2007 at 3:15 PM

and it will be better because you’ll have that much more to mock. I’m certain that’s part of why the media wants a Rudy/Hillary campaign – much more sensational for ratings.

But really dude, if ever there has been a time for a third party candidate to win, it would be now. Blacks Christians aren’t going to just vote for Hillary because she shows up in black churches. Now they certainly won’t vote for a Republican in droves.

A third party Black conservative would beat Rudy and Hillary head to head – HANDS DOWN! (shudder to think, but maybe even Alan Keyes).

The polls already show 14% for ANY third party candidate. That’s unprecedented in history. 14% now can easily turn into a majority by election day. If the Republicans are going to leave conservatives, don’t expect conservatives to join in just because of the R next to the name.

Mike Huckabee’s wishy-washiness is perhaps best exemplified in the story of Wayne Dumond, the most bizarre and tragic episode of the governor’s entire tenure. A few weeks after taking office, Gov. Huckabee announced his intention to free Mr. Dumond, who had served seven years of a life+20 sentence for the kidnapping and rape of a 17-year-old girl. The following month, the governor met with the parole board; soon afterwards, the board voted to free Mr. Dumond on the condition that he move to another state.

Although he told National Review that he “executed more people than any governor in the history of” Arkansas, Gov. Huckabee insists that the “concept of Christian forgiveness requires that we keep open the process of parole” even for violent felons.

The parole board’s action made Mr. Dumond’s pardon application unnecessary, so Gov. Huckabee denied the pardon but sent him a letter affirming, “My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place.”

Mr. Dumond’s release was delayed because no other state would take the convicted rapist. After two and one-half more years, the parole board set him free in Arkansas. The following year, he moved to Missouri, where he sexually assaulted and murdered a 39-year-old woman.

As the predictable political fireworks burst all around him, Gov. Huckabee tried to hide behind the claim that he had denied Mr. Dumond’s pardon application. “My only official action was to deny his clemency,” Gov. Huckabee insists, defensively glossing over his oft-stated earlier preference for Mr. Dumond to go free.

Because that will be the only result of this.

James Dobson on Laura Ingraham’s show this week denied that he would support a third party candidate, because they “don’t work”, in his words.

I really hope the other Christian leaders come this realization as well.

Push for a presidential and VP nominee that supports their values. That’s all well and good.

But don’t give away this election if they don’t get exactly what they want.

The alternative will be far worse for Christian values.

Hillary will be our next president and the dems will be able to ruin our military, our security and our families. How’s that idiots!!!!!!! Get it!!!

As long as they don’t pick up 10 senators there’s little chance of that happening. We’ll get four more years of the last year. They won’t get their agenda and we won’t get ours.

Of course that won’t change even if we do win the Presidency.

The Dems pander to the far left, but for Rudy to mirror that with the far right would be folly. Liberals have done a really good job painting conservatives as dangerous, and a majority the independents believe it.