…you’re kidding yourself if you think a fence is in the offing. Don’t promise stuff you can’t make happen.

Allahpundit on October 17, 2007 at 11:01 PM

Love the optimism! Great Stuff!

I like how it’s always about making sure liberal ideas don’t make BIG gains, just little ones. Always on defense, never on offense.

Could you imagine if an NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS, or NBA team was only about defense? If they were only about protecting their goal rather than pumping themselves up to make a few goals, points, or homeruns of their own? How long do you think the fans would want to pay to watch and support a team like that?

I’m not paying or voting for depressing losers that give up because things seem difficult. A team needs its fan base to boost its morale, and in order to ‘earn’ my cheers and appreciation you need to make an attempt to win not just consolidate your damn losses!

My bet is Fraud! Thompson

I like it!

will take the money devoted to building the fence and funnel it to his son.

After all, he’s never had any problem taking the money of the citizenry to enhance his own well-being at their expense.

BKennedy on October 18, 2007 at 8:30 AM

Or maybe he’ll funnel it to Hizballah via Hizballah-supporting Spencer Abraham, who already receives money from him.

1. Why are you employing a jihadist as your campaign director?

2. Why did you try to hide this fact?

Sincerely,
Hater of Jihad and everyone and everything that is associated with it

The people who hire those day laborers do so maybe once or twice a year. They are the home do it yourself’ers who decided to put in a wood deck in the back yard add decide on a whim to have a day laborer dig the holes for the footings. They for the most part are not regular contractors.

doriangrey on October 18, 2007 at 1:31 AMS

Sorry, but that’s absolutely false. I’ve spent many hours protesting at day labor sites and the workers are routinely picked up by major contractors, farmers, and even some major construction companies. Those day labor sites are where roofing companies go to grab the 15 illegals that rip the old shingles off your roof at 6 in the morning. You know, the same jobs that used to be done by me and my high school buddies for $10 an hour in the 1980’s.

Jobs Americans won’t do … for $2 an hour.

So, just to get this straight. San Diego is the only area of the country that is actively hunting down illegals and deporting them.

I call BS. When this government get serious about stopping them, they will and the illegals will go home. They can only hang for so long working 2 days a week before they have to head back home. Funny thing is they will get themselves caught and get a free ride to the border.

csdeven on October 18, 2007 at 8:59 AM

ROTFLMAO……..No, the city of San Diego itself is a sanctuary city. Try keeping this in perspective, in Mexico these day labors make 2 dollars a day. Here in one day they make 10 times as much as they make all week in Mexico. Day laborers average $10.00 to $15.00 bucks an hour in San Diego county. Since the city of San Diego and by extension the county of San Diego is a sanctuary “city ” getting caught does not mean getting deported.

However there are about 16 incorporated cities in San Diego county. Only about three of them follow San Diego’s sanctuary policy. Most of San Diego county’s incorporated cities have illegal alien harassment policies. They actively work to disrupt their congregation sites and turn over illegals caught to the INS, who does deport them.

The problem is that because so much of San Diego county is unincorporated San Diego’s sanctuary policy results in a catch and release situation that pretty much nullifies the incorporated cities efforts. San Ysidro for instances is a unincorporated city within the county of San Diego, subject to San Diego’s sanctuary policies, it’s also the city actually on the Mexican border in San Diego county.

The Border Patrol works pretty hard to catch illegals crossing the border between Tijuana and San Ysidro, but once the illegals get more than 2 miles from the border the Border Patrol is pretty effectively blocked from taking any action against them.

Romney = Bullworth (I expect some rap real soon)
McCain = Sincere but soon to be senile.
Giuliani = One trick pony (9-11)
Paul = Some good, much clueless
Tancredo = One trick pony (borders)
Thompson = Actor C+, Politician C- GPA C
Huckabee = No machine to match Clinton’s steamroller

Of course they are the open borders party but the point needs to be emphasized to the extent that it starts to move public opinion. Sure it won’t be easy with a bought and paid for MSM but if we defeated amnesty, we can defeat those who embrace it.

It wouldn’t hurt if the Repubs made it clear they are for the rule of law and U.S. sovereignty. They need to disconnect from Bush and his pub cronies on this issue to provide the necessary clarity. In my opinion, the GOP should make this a central issue. One that they are on the right side of.

doriangrey on October 18, 2007 at 2:24 AM

So, just to get this straight. San Diego is the only area of the country that is actively hunting down illegals and deporting them.

I call BS. When this government get serious about stopping them, they will and the illegals will go home. They can only hang for so long working 2 days a week before they have to head back home. Funny thing is they will get themselves caught and get a free ride to the border.

I believe you were right. At the very least, there’s certainly something which prohibited President Bush from sending in help when he wanted to. He had to get Gov. Blanco’s permission, which came a few days late.

There may be more than this, but it’s implicitly suggested in the Constitution: According to Article One Section 8, the Congress has the right “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”

Permission of the Governor would circumvent that. There may also be more which I’ve neglected.

I’ll take Fred, please.

AZCON on October 18, 2007 at 1:06 AM

And Fred will close Guantanamo Bay and give all the terrorists legal advice on how to manipulate our system. After that he would make sure that every scumbag dictator would be helped. Then he would hire his entire family and pay them huge salaries.

Tell you what. You keep Fred to yourself. Turn over the management of your home over to him and leave us alone.

The fence isn’t the only solution to the problem, and neither is workplace enforcement- they’re both necessary and neither will work by themselves.

Hollowpoint on October 18, 2007 at 1:03 AM

Who said that? The point was that if the president cannot get the fence built because of the congress, he does have the authority to order enforcement of workplace enforcement policies. He could do something and that would be better than nothing because MOST illegals are in the system that would be cleaned up by those policies.

Hollowpoint on October 18, 2007 at 12:39 AM

You’re preaching to the choir. That was the exact point I was making. Read this for context.

csdeven on October 18, 2007 at 12:20 AM

You and doriangrey’s csdeven derangement syndrome has elevated you to new levels of irresponsible comments.

Wake up and visit your local Home Depo. All of those day labors wont be affected in the slightest by work place enforcement.
doriangrey on October 18, 2007 at 12:40 AM

Wake up and realize that where there is a will there is a way. When/IF we get serious about workplace enforcement we will find a way to solve that problem.

There’s nothing wrong with Fred letting the single issue voters out there know that he is for immigration enforcement and that he is for building the fence already mandated and DHS has the money to build.

If a GOP pres. makes it into a second term a good Pres. record could help put in place another GOP majority ala Reagan.

Speakup on October 18, 2007 at 2:57 AM

My bet is Fraud! Thompson will take the money devoted to building the fence and funnel it to his son.

After all, he’s never had any problem taking the money of the citizenry to enhance his own well-being at their expense.

Can we citizens just donate our time, material, and labor and start on our own? Maybe it will shame the politicians into doing their jobs.

Oops, my bad… they have no shame.

Texas Nick 77 on October 18, 2007 at 5:04 AM

You’re right, they have no shame because our citizens area already doing just that – and they still aren’t moving their lard asses. Check out the built-by-donation Minuteman Fence and We Need A Fence (which will give you a diagram of Duncan Hunter’s effective border fence). And then pitch in.

How are you going to get a fence built with the Democrats likely holding 55-60 Senate seats and god knows how many House seats come 2009?

Thanks to Duncan Hunter, it has already been passed into LAW that our government MUST build 800+ miles of double-sided fence separated by a high-speed border vehicle patrol road along our most vulnerable border areas. This same style of fence has already reduced illegal crossings by 93% in San Diego and border crime by almost 60% – it works incredibly well.

It is mandated by LAW that the fence be built – and there are billions of dollars sitting in DHS’ account right now for that express purpose. Why it has not been allocated yet you can surely guess.

That’s where you need to focus your time and attention – on getting those funds released and the fence executed exactly the way the LAW proscribes. Anything less is a cheat, and not doing it at all is breaking our own law!

Aaaaand if Fred declares martial law along the border to stop the anarchy there, he sure -can- use the military.

We need a President with some BALLS.

I say, let’s go from 300 miles of fence to 1,970 miles (That covers a few miles out into the oceans at either end).

USCitizen on October 17, 2007 at 11:11 PM

Can we citizens just donate our time, material, and labor and start on our own? Maybe it will shame the politicians into doing their jobs.

Oops, my bad… they have no shame.

Some day you’ll also have to explain the MB4.

Entelechy on October 18, 2007 at 2:01 AM

It was “The Hill” at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. If you got demerits (like for not having your shoes shined well enough or your brass not polished well enough or your bed not made tight enough) at the U.S. Army Field Artillery school, you had to run it Saturdays and/or Sundays. 4.2 miles up and 4.2 miles back as I recall.

Most weekends my “dance card” was full.

It’s just like playing whack-a-mole.

I guarantee you that it’s possible to virtually end the day labor problem, even in California. You’re correct that I’m not familiar with the specific examples at cracking down on illegal day laborers in California that you’ve mentioned, but I am familiar with simple economics and human nature. Show me a failed attempt to disperse illegal day laborers in a locality and I’ll show you the obvious reasons for its failure.

Without knowing the details of the operations you’ve referred to, I’d guess that half-hearted and toothless attempts were made at partial enforcement for short periods of time, leading to failure. Considering California politics the operations probably had less to do with ending illegal day labor and more to do with political propaganda. By showing the people, “See? We’ve tried and it’s absolutely impossible to stop the illegal day laborer problem.” The politicians hope the people will agree with them that, “Since it’s totally impossible to end illegal immigration and day labor hangouts, let’s all demand ‘Comprehensive Immigration Reform’.” Which of course most of us call Shamnesty.

I agree with you that a wall would help, my point is that workplace enforcement is even more important and that I’m aware of, Fred has never mentioned it once.

If a GOP pres. makes it into a second term a good Pres. record could help put in place another GOP majority ala Reagan.

Regardless of whether or not the country gives the Democrats significantly increased majorities, a newly elected Republican president would fall down on his knees and give thanks to God above for the gift of such an easily politicized bill, and a congress inept enough to try to force it down the country’s throat.