Basra’s quiet explained? Shiite sheikhs beg for help from creeping Iranian Islamism

posted at 4:00 pm on October 16, 2007 by Allahpundit

I knew it was too good to be true.

It usually is.

Shi’ite Islamist political parties are imposing strict Islamic rules in the oil-producing southern provinces of Iraq and using their armed wings to create a state of fear, a group of tribal Shi’ite leaders said.

The four tribal leaders approached Reuters on condition of anonymity, fearing assassination if their names or even their home provinces were made public.

“Fear rules the streets now,” said one of the sheikhs. “We cannot speak our minds, people are not allowed to oppose them. They would immediately disappear or get killed. The evidence of that is I am talking about it but cannot use my name.”…

“Some say the Shi’ites are lucky because they are now ruling Iraq, but that is wrong. It is the Islamist Shi’ites who are ruling Iraq. Their victory was a curse for us,” said one sheikh…

SIIC [a.k.a. SCIRI] and the Sadrists are seen by the sheikhs as importing a conservative brand of Shi’ism from neighboring Iran, which U.S. officials accuse of arming Shi’ite militias to use as proxies to enforce their influence in the south.

“We are suffering from two occupations — America and Iran. We have told American officials this and we have met some of them, but they are not listening to us,” one sheikh complained.

Reuters wants to blame the United States for this but it’s no secret who’s responsible for letting Basra disintegrate. After reading the Reuters story, I can only assume that the quiet in the city at the moment is part of some deal between SCIRI and Sadr to lie low for the time being — although to what end, I simply don’t know. I speculated last night in the Michael Yon post that they might be trying to prove that the south can govern itself as a demonstration of the benefits of federalism, but if they’re acting on behest of Iran to the extent that the sheikhs here suggest, then their top priority should be making trouble for the United States to force a humiliating withdrawal. Set Basra on fire, let the war opponents in the west crow about it and point to it as an example of how the mission has failed, and then wait for the pullout. Maybe Iran has decided that Bush is just enough of a loose cannon to bomb them if they press the issue and thus they’re opting instead for the path of least resistance, with fuller Iranian control to be asserted after we’re gone via their militia proxies?

That’s too depressing a note to end on so I’ll leave you with this, also from Reuters. Quote: “For a few months I couldn’t go home, but now there are a lot of security changes happening. I am a resident from this area, so it’s good that I’m going back to my job. We need to clean it up more as there are still bad people here.”

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I think once the Sunni areas are truly tamped down and the military leaders feel confident that AQI is gone they will turn their “surge” attention to the Shiite areas and maybe once and for all stamp out these Sadr and Iranian thugs.
We can only wait, watch, and see.

LakeRuins on October 16, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Reuters wants to blame the United States for this…

..Maybe Iran has decided that Bush is just enough of a loose cannon to bomb them

That’s easy… blame BUUSCH!

Mcguyver on October 16, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Simpler explanation… they are waiting out the American elections.

If the Dems win, or if Dem controled Congress force a pullout, they now control the oil in Southern Iraq.

Add in the Iran/Turkey alliance against the Kurds, who control the oil in the North, and with an American pullout you will have a serious problem.

Why fight for somthing that the Dems will just give you… why use your strength to win when you can use your enemies weakness.

Romeo13 on October 16, 2007 at 4:09 PM

Reuters wants to blame the United States for this but it’s no secret who’s responsible for letting Basra disintegrate.

It is no secret to me. It is not the United States and it is not Great Brittan. It is the Iraqis.

MB4 on October 16, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Why would Iran start World War 4 if they can get what they want with a little nibble here, and a little nibble there?

Why stir up violence now? Just wait a couple more years, get a bit more embedded in the area, and especially DO NOT do anything that provokes the US.

But you can bet the next president of the US will be tested, probably on day one.

rockhauler on October 16, 2007 at 4:12 PM

What? Iran, filling a power vacuum in Iraq?

I sure didn’t see that coming. I need to start paying attention.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 16, 2007 at 4:15 PM

their top priority should be making trouble for the United States to force a humiliating withdrawal. Set Basra on fire, let the war opponents in the west crow about it and point to it as an example of how the mission has failed, and then wait for the pullout.

That would be like the GOP setting a red state on fire to make the Dems look bad. There’s something else in play. Maybe they figured that the easiest way to get what they want is to let us think that we’ve won so that US forces will leave.

rw on October 16, 2007 at 4:17 PM

They’re probably waiting for the Brits to leave, knowing that if things are quiet, they will be replaced by nobody. If they cause problems, when the Brits move out, the Marines will move in.

BohicaTwentyTwo on October 16, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Look, Sadarists or AQI, anyone “laying low” just helps our cause. They may be marshalling forces for a future fight, but they are also establishing quiet and security as the norm. If they later violate that peace to assert control, they do so at the risk of pissing off the people enjoying the peace and prosperity. Look what happened to AQI when the Sunnis realized they were nothing but trouble.

In the end, I think Shi’ites tribes will be as happy with Iranian-backed violence as the Sunnis were with AQI.

Clark1 on October 16, 2007 at 4:40 PM

Look, Sadarists or AQI, anyone “laying low” just helps our cause. They may be marshalling forces for a future fight, but they are also establishing quiet and security as the norm. If they later violate that peace to assert control, they do so at the risk of pissing off the people enjoying the peace and prosperity. Look what happened to AQI when the Sunnis realized they were nothing but trouble.

In the end, I think Shi’ites tribes will be as happy with Iranian-backed violence as the Sunnis were with AQI.

Dead on. Allah keeps asking why does SCIRI and Sadr allow the Iraqi Army to establish a beachhead in the South? A solid worry for Sadr and Co because as they allow Baghdad to establish a working relationship with the South it undermines the citizens’ dependence on people they don’t like anyway. People who tell them how to live every moment of their lives. People they’ve followed only because there hasn’t been anything better thus far. People they’re complaining about to Rueters. Complaints MB4 has to ignore in order to smear all Iraqis (and all Muslims in other threads) as murder-bot slaves who have only themselves to blame for their woes.

MB4: Iraqis are scum! US out now!

The Apologist on October 16, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Clark1 on October 16, 2007 at 4:40 PM

Excellent point.

BadgerHawk on October 16, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Unfortunately, cultural evolution stopped for those folks 1400 years ago. Hum, I wonder what that may have coincided with?

TheSitRep on October 16, 2007 at 7:04 PM

Unfortunately, cultural evolution stopped for those folks 1400 years ago. Hum, I wonder what that may have coincided with?

That’s just not true. It’s completely ahistorical. Lebanon, Baghdad, even Kabul in the early seventies were metropolitan cities with lots of liberals (Westernized Muslims) most of whom fled the Soviets and Islamists and Fascists when they took over in these places. The notion of Islam as permanent cultural retarder is just wrong. Only the fundamentalist version, practised by many, many, many, but not most Muslims, is an impediment to peace and prosperity. This is a meme that deserves a quick death. It undermines our efforts to push for reform and democratization in the Muslim world.

The Apologist on October 16, 2007 at 8:38 PM

You follow a faith started by a cruel, slaveholding, intolerant, murderous, thieving warlord, and what the hell do you effect to reap …but terror, rapine, assassination and mayhem?

It’s the Islam, stupids.

profitsbeard on October 16, 2007 at 9:36 PM

Complaints MB4 has to ignore in order to smear all Iraqis (and all Muslims in other threads) as murder-bot slaves who have only themselves to blame for their woes.

MB4: Iraqis are scum! US out now!

The Apologist on October 16, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Actually, you are smearing me by saying that I have said thinks that I did not say.

Physician heal thyself.

MB4 on October 16, 2007 at 9:47 PM

thinks things

MB4 on October 16, 2007 at 9:48 PM

Big A, just what am I going to do with you and this pessimism? Hang on a while longer until I’ll get in country and let you know what I see, ala Yon.

major john on October 16, 2007 at 10:08 PM

Well from the last Basra thread,as everyone is correct,too good to be true.It seems the major sh!t distruber is Iran.
I bet a fly on the wall listening in to the Mullahs we would hear a Queen song,I what it all,I want it now.
And I also would bet,in light of the North Koreans in Syria,
Hesbollah is stockpiling in the Baaka Valley,and probably
Fata and Hamas are loading up on rockets,again supplied by
the Iranians.
Which reminds me when Iran kidnapped the British in international waters,the British should of used the
page from their sas operation in Serleone,out of that operation only the ringleader was alive!

canopfor on October 17, 2007 at 1:02 AM

The one constant in Iraq is change. That a religious militia has power in the south is not the end of the world.

Militias only have power because the public gives it to them out of fear. If there is no police force to protect you, a militia is the next best thing. As the central gov’t gets stronger militias lose power. The federalist system supported by most Iraqis will help both the central gov’t and the provinces, the same as it has the US, and over time the militias’ power will wane.

The one thing we don’t have to worry about is Iran
. Iraqis will not follow Iran whenever they have a choice. They don’t speak the same language, share culture, or even like each other. Iraqis trust Americans more than they do Iranians.
Regards,
LT Nichols

Jason on October 17, 2007 at 3:24 AM

My money is on the hold turf and work it strategy. I t will come to Basra. Ali Sadr must be eliminated along with his jolly band of thugs and all Iranian influences.

I’ll wager several plans exist to handle these issues.

Don’t fret.

dogsoldier on October 17, 2007 at 7:01 AM