Video: Rudy’s not really a conservative, says Fred; Update: Fred’s all talk, says Rudy
posted at 5:05 pm on October 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
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As I said, it’s officially on. Boy, is it ever. Your takeaway line: “Some think that the best way to beat the Democrats is to be more like ‘em.” That’s good advice circa 1980, after a Democratic administration had spent four years alienating the center; circa 2007, when it’s a Republican administration that’s done the alienating, I’m not so sure.
The basic truth of it is indisputable, though. Some people do indeed think the best way to beat Democrats is to be more like them. A lot more.
Update: Rudy returns fire. Conservative civil war!
Giuliani spokeswoman Maria Comella tells First Read that the former New York mayor “is the only candidate who does more than just talk about the importance of Republican principles — he actually has the track record to back it up. It’s easy to throw around meaningless rhetoric, but quite another thing to stand up to a Democratic majority and successfully cut taxes, control spending, and reform welfare.”
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Pretty good interview. The key point is at the end when he says he’d support whoever ended up as the nominee. Are you listening religious right?
BadgerHawk on October 15, 2007 at 5:13 PM
It’s going to be very difficult to win an election without moving to the moderate stance. Hillary gains more and more ground by the day. Her latest Rasmussen numbers show her flying above all Republicans.
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 5:13 PM
I like that he thinks it all comes down to philosophy, and that there’s a fundamental difference between how the Democrats think and how the Republicans do–or at least there ought to be.
see-dubya on October 15, 2007 at 5:14 PM
Fred is the heir apparant to Bush, actually he reminds me of an electable version of Cheney.
the question is, can he win Ohio?
jp on October 15, 2007 at 5:25 PM
thats because of two things…
She’s buying off the electorate… and the Repubs are NOT coming out with a strong messege about changing Washington.
I still beleive there are more Conservative than Liberal voters out in America… and Hillary will run to the RIGHT of Ghouliani…
Romeo13 on October 15, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Does anyone remember the last time that a Republican presidential nominee was decided at the Republican National Convention? That is, no one candidate had the majority of delegates going in to the convention?
Say, for example, that Giuliani had 25%, Romney had 25%, Thompson had 25%, and McCain had 25% going in to the convention.
I’m not sure how that works, exactly. Could be interesting.
jaime on October 15, 2007 at 5:30 PM
First of all, thank you for calling my candidate “Ghouliani” when I don’t try to alter your candidate’s name. Thoroughly appreciated.
Second, more Americans identify themselves as Democrats than Republicans. The latest Rasmussen poll shows just 31.5% of voters identify themselves as Republicans. It’s the first time in 31 months that Democrats have had the size lead they do against Republicans.
Third, regardless of how she’s doing it, she is. It’s going to be a little difficult for Republicans to preach about changing Washington in this election.
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Is Fred wearing make up? He doesn’t look as old as usual.
jeanie on October 15, 2007 at 5:35 PM
People are aggravated by both party elite, I think there is more alienation on our side, but its tempered to a degree by the left’s parallel incompetence and increasing shrillness/craziness. We’re at a disadvantage, but not as bad as we think.
There is an ever-growing lack of faith in government, which can be harnessed, but it may have to be a slash and burn tactic, which means you’re hammering the snivelling GOP elite sellouts and Kleptocons as much as the Dems.
Bad Candy on October 15, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Amer: I think he said ‘conservative’ voters, not Republican or Democrat :)
It isn’t really news that Guiliani isn’t a ‘conservative’ but he is a Republican and if he wins the nomination, Ill throw my Fred! support to him (or whoever wins the nomination); Unless you could guarantee me no judges will retire in 4 years of the Hildabeast, I’m convinced that ANY Republican would be better (except the D-n-R RuPaul.
Lord Nazh on October 15, 2007 at 5:38 PM
That is exactly what the Republican leadership believed during last years election, and it was a total failure.
We will lose every time we try to out-liberal the Democrats.
ChrisM on October 15, 2007 at 5:42 PM
How many Democrats nowadays do you think are identifying as Conservatives? 42% says the U.S. is torturing prisoners, the generic Congressional ballot has Democrats at 48% with Republicans at 36%, just 28% trust Republicans to fix corruption while 40% trust Democrats, and nearly 60% want the troops brought home within the year.
The candidate will be running with the name “Republican” behind him. Regardless of whether he’s a Conservative Republican, he’s still a Republican. And it’s not exactly a pleasant environment for Republicans – Conservative or Liberal – right now. Just the name alone brings issues.
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 5:45 PM
That really doesn’t say anything about Liberal v. Conservative, does it? A lot of people who are Independent and Democrat are also conservative to a large degree.
I don’t see that Republican = conservative, especially in a lot of local elections. I once lived in a place where there wasn’t much of a Democrat Party because there were very few Democrat voters. So virtually all candidates were Republican, liberal through conservative. The battles were in the primaries.
jaime on October 15, 2007 at 5:47 PM
I’m comin to ya on a dusty road
I’ll be debatin ‘em with a red pickup truck load
And when I debate ‘um you’ll really see something
So dont worry cause I’m Fred and I am coming
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
Listen up America!
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
I got what I got the old fashion way
And I’ll take it to that nasty RINO Rudy in each and every way
So voters dont you fret
Cause you’ve hardly even seen me knockin that Sanctuary City Rudy yet
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
Play it Jeri baby!
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
Listen
I’m all wrapped up in the things America needs
I learned how to be an American almost before I could eat
I come from American heartland stock
When I become President things will really rock
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
Take that you gun grabbing cross dressing Rudy Tootie!
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
I’ll grab your rope and I’ll pull you in
Give you hope and be Americas best friend
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
Youre a Fred man!
Im Fred man
Im Fred man
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 5:51 PM
Exactly right……We have lost ground every election since Bush first took office and our Republicans lost the message that Newt brought them to the dance with in 94. I will be curious to watch what the poll results will be if we ever do get a true conservative in the race. (still not sure Fred! Is it)
conservnut on October 15, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Up, gotta go guys. See ya later.
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 5:56 PM
You like Ghouliani? Me too!
I’ll bet you would also like what I heard him called on another website.
Il Duce.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Maybe he had an extra dose of Jeri tonic last night?
Remember you are only as old as who you feel.MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 6:00 PM
Fred looks like an over worn shoe with little sole left, and sounds like that last member of the Federalist Party clinging to be belief that if the party just remains true to its core beliefs it will return to pre-eminence and they’ll be able to put those Democratic-Republicans in their place.
But let’s be real… Fred is all facade. A facade that for some reason appeals to the Rebubbakins south of the mason-dixie, but it is like a Hollywood set. Lean on it and it falls over. Fred is fine with gay marriage — “So be it.” Fred is pro-choice in the first trimester and takes money from abortion groups to lobby for them. He has been divorced, been a man whore, and married a younger woman. The only difference between Fred and Rudy is Rudy’s distinguished list of accomplishments. Oh, and Rudy is a real knight and Time’s Man of the Year.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 6:02 PM
I really can’t see much of a difference between Hillary and Rudy. If Fred isn’t the candidate, I’m likely to just sit out.
phelps on October 15, 2007 at 6:03 PM
Rudy has junk and looks better in a dress. Better check your glasses before you go down to that pick-up club.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 6:06 PM
That does indeed say something about Rudy.
jaime on October 15, 2007 at 6:07 PM
The Emperor has no clothes.
Au contraire. Rudy has better legs than Hillary. But that is about it.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Both suck.
PRCalDude on October 15, 2007 at 6:09 PM
DUH quote of the day.
On-my-soap-box on October 15, 2007 at 6:09 PM
He made the trains run on time…
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 6:16 PM
When the default spread in those polls is 38% ‘Rat/32% “independent”/30% Pubbie, are you more surprised that “only” 31.5% self-identify as Pubbies or that 31.5% actually do self-identify as Pubbies?
steveegg on October 15, 2007 at 6:17 PM
So was Hillary.
Until the MSM is discredited, it will be very hard for any Republican to win. They control the horizontal and the vertical at this point.
ChrisM on October 15, 2007 at 6:18 PM
If by “track record” you mean derailed trains, you got it. If by “track record” you mean actually governing as a conservative, not so much.
steveegg on October 15, 2007 at 6:18 PM
Starting to look that way…I’m marginally in the Fred camp, but I’m not excited about 08 at all, I hope Fred or someone starts to do better.
Bad Candy on October 15, 2007 at 6:19 PM
LOL. Good one! We’re in the outer limits.
jaime on October 15, 2007 at 6:21 PM
One horrible 18 month long episode.
ChrisM on October 15, 2007 at 6:24 PM
But do they know what the frequency is?
steveegg on October 15, 2007 at 6:25 PM
Fred’s words are usually pretty good, its his delivery of them I’d like to see improved.
We need it! Let’s get this party started for cry’n out loud.
Speakup on October 15, 2007 at 6:39 PM
I am definately against Guliani, Hukabee, Ron Paul, and Mitt Romney. All are pretty much Social Libs, along the lines of Arnold. I completely believe they will sell out the country to corporate servitude (illegal immigration), which I believe is as disasterous as losing the War on Terror. I don’t believe Rudy would appoint Justices with the track record that Bush has appointed. I also believe they would turn on their constituants just like Bush did, the moment they get elected. The only thing Rudy has going for him is his stand on the War on Terror, other then that I also belive Hillary will run on a more conservative platform than Rudy.
I am not pro-Fred either. Fred seems to say what I want to hear, but he doesn’t really convince me.
I see the next election as disasterous to conservatives.
Rode Werk on October 15, 2007 at 6:41 PM
What “distinguished list of accomplishments” does Rudy have? Other than making Bill Clinton seem like a right-winger.
We’re talking about a man who found George Pataki to be a scary extremist, so he endorsed Mario Cuomo.
flenser on October 15, 2007 at 6:43 PM
I suggest that everyone here get a picture of Hillary. Say a 5×7.
Put it some place where you don’t have to look at it.
Week 1: Bring it out and look at it for 5 seconds.
Week 2: Bring it out and look at it for 10 seconds.
Week 3: Bring it out and look at it for 15 seconds.
And so on.
That way when it is announced on election night that she has won, you may not go into anaphylactic shock.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 6:43 PM
I’m just gonna cut to the chase:
GO RUDY !!!!!
Always Right on October 15, 2007 at 6:49 PM
MB4, I didn’t think you were that kinky (6:43)
He has a better personality, somewhat, and he isn’t as “multi-lingual” as she claimed to be.
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 6:53 PM
and Rudy is a bug-eyed, lisping, dress-wearing, wife-ditching RINO.
See, now doesn’t that just sound childish???
We’re above this kind of discourse.
At least let’s save it for the general election vs. Hillary.
omnipotent on October 15, 2007 at 7:07 PM
I moved from Ohio in 2006, the conservatives I know there are leary of Giuliani. After getting burned by Bush on immigration they are less likely to overlook Rudy’s pro-abortion stances, or his past suing of gun manufacturers. Rudy cannot match Fred when he says that Roe v. Wade ia bad law. Rudy’s response is Roe v. Wade is “okay.” Bush border betraylal makes conservative credentials a must. Rudy is to socially liberal to trust.
Theworldisnotenough on October 15, 2007 at 7:07 PM
You are kidding right? Okay, here we go. He stood up to the mafia. He indicted the heads of the five families, convicted most of them and ended their reign of terror in New York. He fought corruption on Wall Street and convicted Milkin. Instead on playing one on TV, Rudy was a real crime fighter and was probably the biggest crime fighter of the 20th century (Eliot Ness included).
As mayor of NYC he (seemingly single-handedly) dramatically reduced crime, reduced welfare, reduced the size of government, cut taxes, increased tax revenue, turned a deficit into a surplus, incourage business growth and basically turned a turd of a city into the safest and best large city in America. This accomplishment (in the face of overwhelming Democratic opposition) improved the every day lives of over 8 million souls.
On 9/11 he was a beacon of strength, hope and determination for an entire nation. We all saw with our own eyes his leadership qualities in real time during those darkest of days. He helped all of us get through those dark times.
Fred cannot even say that he reduced crime in Lynchburg — and no, he did not really help catch that Russian sub.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 7:09 PM
Interesting, just when you converted my quote to “blah, blah, blah…” my real quote was explaining how Fred was fine with gay marriage, pro-choice and had loose personal morals and in many respects has the same “flaws” that he attributes to Rudy.
Rather than addressing those allegations, you just went “blah, blah, blah…” Go ahead. Just pretend not to hear. It is better that way, ignorance is bliss.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 7:16 PM
In Florida we elected the faux conservative Crist … yeah we were warned but told “he could beat the Democrat”. We bit … It’s been downhill ever since. Instead of a real energy plan, we get windmills, solar panels and a photo op with one square — In hurricane country no less. Instead of leadership with catastrophic homeowners insurance and tax reform we get … nothing. 200 Miles off the north coast of Florida is one of the biggest gas fields around, no drilling there, but halway to Cuba, 45 miles from the endangered Florida Keys, China and Cuba will be drilling there.
The left of the communist wing St Pete Times, affectionately called “the red rag” by locals, said Crist was the best governor Florida ever had, Florida’s first ‘black governor’(where have I heard that line before?).
Don’t elect a faux conservative and expect them to do anything but fawn to the left wing media. Socialism is socialism, and gun control defines liberal.
I’m with Fred, you can have the faux conservatives.
tarpon on October 15, 2007 at 7:17 PM
If you think Rudy was the greatest crime fighter of the 20th century, I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on much.
And also, you never addressed Rudy’s lisping OR bug-eyedness, or ditching his wife (during a press conference).
Based on your posts here, you must be quite blissful
omnipotent on October 15, 2007 at 7:19 PM
I said CONSERVATIVE, NOT REPUBLICAN!
Lets face it. The Republican party has left a lot of us conservatives cold the last few years.
They overspent on crap, while not increasing the military in time of war. They didn’t fix environmental policy so we can use (not abuse) our countrys resources. They tried to force amnesty down our throats.
There are a LOT of conservatives out there who are NOT Republicans. I think more than the MSM will tell you about.
Romeo13 on October 15, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Well, I DVR’d all three segments and I expect to see another 3 minute long video mash up of “Um’s, uh’s, well’s, ahem’s, and coughs on Youtube in the next day or so.
Neil got Fred to expose himself as an empty suit in the first segment. Fred “What’s a dollar?” gave a empty answer and you could see the “Oh great, you’re not going to answer the question” look on Cavuto’s face.
He did have two or three decent responses.
One of the only decent answers he gave, after Neil dragged it out of him, was that any rep is better than any dem, and that he will support whoever the rep nominee is. Hmmmm. Fred must be reading my comments.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Heh heh heh well even someone with the NIC Always Right cant always be right……
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 7:36 PM
Rudy’s fine for the gunless abortionists but Fred is my boy. He’s REAL. That’s going to resonate huge with America. A steady dose of “real” is very satisfying over the long haul. Juxtaposed to Hitlary he’s gonna look great.
Go Fred.
Mojave Mark on October 15, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Fred’s fine for the terrorist supporting CFR lobbyist crowd, but Rudy or Mitt have the executive experience and record of conservative accomplishments that America loves. One of those two will be the rep nominee and either one is 1000 times better than Hillary or any other dem.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 8:30 PM
Thompson is a lightweight flatulent gasbag.
Hilts on October 15, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Indeed. And we all wear bib overalls, go barefoot, have chickens in the front yard, pigs in the back and a still in the woods.
Do yourself a favor and keep your ignorant yankee a$$ north of the Mason-DIXON line.
Kowboy on October 15, 2007 at 8:43 PM
Well… if either Mitt or Rudy win the nomination, I doubt that I will be supporting them in the general election.
Why? Just to spite their trollish supporters that spew forth the same diarrhea in these threads over and over again. I’m starting to wonder if csdeven and tommylotto are actually working for the Thompson campaign.
Watcher on October 15, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Cry us a river you sissy-mary.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 8:53 PM
FYI, I’m from Texas, Kowboy. Oh, and its spelled COWBOY, ya bumpkin.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 9:08 PM
I will leave your inane anti-Southern commentary out of this, it is frankly not worth my time or energy.
But, this last drivel about Rudy though. Give me a break. A “knight”? That word conjurs up images of a noble, heroic figure to me. Not some pretend warrior who has been riding his “look at me I am a hero” horse for years now. He was a good mayor after 9-11, but really, that WAS HIS JOB! And please, you do not really want to compare an adulterer like Rudy to someone who dated when he was SINGLE do you? Do yourself a favor while you shill for Rudy. Leave his shabby personal life out of it. Of course you might also want to leave out his gun control loving ways, and his love of illegals, oh, and about that whole suing gunmakers business? Is that a “knightly” thing? Going after legitimate companies in frivolous suits? Knightly indeed!
Gatordoug on October 15, 2007 at 9:23 PM
“From” being the operative word I’m guessing. Oh, and the “K” is in honor of a man whom I met as a teenager who helped to shape my life. He liked to play poker and called kings “Kowboys”. The rest is from being a lifelong Dallas fan, win or lose.
So once again, your making assumptions has produced the usual results.
Kowboy on October 15, 2007 at 9:58 PM
He’s gotta quit grabbing his nose.
tlynch001 on October 15, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Yup. And will deserve to, too. Remember folks, if you vote for a liberal candidate, and the other side does too, you’ll wind up with a liberal in office just about every time. Life’s funny like that.
Mike H on October 15, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Some of you are so rabid over your choices! Geez, let it play out! csdevlin has been a Mitt Romney fan from the git go, now he seems to be waffling between Mitt and Guillani. Before you totally embarass yourselves, let this play out, give Thompson and the other second-tier candidates a chance. Clinton wasn’t even a 1st tier candidate. Lots of things can change. Quit spewing venom here when you should be looking into all of the candidates.
It is so trite to say about a Fred Thompson that “he’s gotta quit grabbing his nose.” What in the heck does that add to the discourse?
BTW, I have not declared for any candidate, but I do know who I like. I am not blindly following one like some sheep. I’m reviewing my options and seeing what happens.
Neocon Peg on October 15, 2007 at 10:10 PM
A real knight — as opposed to the mostly-fictional portrayals of knights as bastions of virtue, temperence, and self-sacrificial, right?
As I recall from my medieval studies class, knights were mostly either wealthy elites from the noble classes or swords-for-hire used by local lords to keep the serfs in servitude.
So…which one was Rudy again?
Disclaimer: I like Rudy, in spite of his negatives, and if he’s the nominee I’ll vote for him because dammit, I’ve already got my guns, I’d rather listen to him for 4 years than the Hildebeast, and it’s high time we had an Italian in the WH, dammit.
Harpazo on October 15, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Hear, hear!
Harpazo on October 15, 2007 at 10:12 PM
So do I. The issue is how much time you have to spend in prison as a consequence of being forced to use them in self-defense. Of course if that happens all of your guns will be confiscated.
FloatingRock on October 15, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Now I didn’t say a 5×7 picture of Hillary naked!
Now that would be
disgustingkinky and would cause most everyone to go into anaphylactic shock right on the spot!I am trying to save people, not kill them.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 10:25 PM
Everyone knows that Batman was the greatest crime fighter of the 20th century. Maybe Rudy was the Penguin.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 10:30 PM
And he may be, but you can’t rule out other candidates at this early stage. Too much can happen. I personally like Rudy in what he did for New York, crime-wise, and especially what he did after 9/11. I like other candidates for other reasons. I have a slate where I write my pros and cons, as I am sure most of you do, because you are thinking Americans who want what is best for this Country. And you all know that Democrats are not what is best for this Country and will concentrate on how to defeat Dems in the election (I hope!).
Neocon Peg on October 15, 2007 at 10:31 PM
It is only 9PM in the nightclub. Closing time is 2AM. Maybe Rudy will look barely acceptable at about 1:55AM, if the only alternative is going home with Hillary.
Until then it is much too early for any real conservatives to be having a premature coronation over RINO Rudy.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 10:39 PM
You don’t know the first thing about me, who I support, and why.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 10:43 PM
Bawawawawawaaw! Perzatactly!
Neocon Peg on October 15, 2007 at 10:43 PM
No, I don’t know you, which is usual with blogs! Nor do I know the first thing about you, except what I can determine from your comments here. You have made it pretty plain here with your support of Romney and your obvious hatred of Thompson. I don’t think anyone who comments here regularly would disagree with my observations with that. Anything else?
Neocon Peg on October 15, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Smack ‘em down, Fred!
Captain America on October 15, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Yet, you feel that you know me enough to make a uninformed comment like that.
Don’t try to weasel out of it by looking to others. The only thing you were accurate about is my disgust for Fred.
You problem is that you do not pay attention. I have specific reasons why I go after Fred the way I do and they have nothing to do with who I support and why. And it did not start out with my disgust for him.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Rudy is just Hillary with lower taxes. I like lower taxes so if he gets the nomination I’ll hold my nose and vote for him. I know I know I know I voted for Bush twice saying that it would be the last time I’d prostitute my vote away to this new left GOP but this time I really mean it.
Buzzy on October 15, 2007 at 11:23 PM
CsDeven
you have consistently misstaked information about Fred from the begginning lets say about two or three thousand times. You have not blogged against any other candidate with that volume and incorrect rhectoric.
However you will only defend Romney with fevor when any criticism of him occurs while you are awake?
So gee, if people call the bloody obvious the bloody obvious….
EricPWJohnson on October 15, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Were it not for the comfort of the electronic ether, we’d all get to know your heavy weight, figuratively. At least Fred is physically really tall. It’s more than nothin’.
On Rudy, I almost hope he wins, the presidency, so we can start a tally to see how many variations of his last name we can come up with, just here on HA.
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 11:54 PM
Also Rudys jusr recently turned republican according to D’Amato who regrets ever letting him in the party
And he has the Bernard problem and not one but two other scandals coming up.
He may be spending the campaign trail in court being questioned – what a way to run against Hillary
EricPWJohnson on October 15, 2007 at 11:55 PM
I will take the highlighted points in order.
1) And it’s bad to appeal to your strongest supporters.
2) Federalism will appeal to independents and should be a bedrock position of conservatives.
3) He will appoint judges that overturn non-constitutionally judged decisions like Roe v. Wade. That is the best we can hope for.
4) Yes, younger women are the root of all evil.
5) And the dresses and the pro-choice position and the estranged family and the gun control. Just off the top of my head, there is much more.
Bill C on October 16, 2007 at 12:08 AM
You see, this is where Fred wins, not in staged gotcha debates, not getting insulted by pundits and surly diners in a union town.
His message is clear, you know the MSM WANT RUDY in there because Hillary can beat him. Hence they never mention that he was recently a democrat nor did he fight the Republican governor over Tax cuts
Thats a candidate killer – Rudy – is not a fiscal conservative nor a social conservative he’s a JFK democrat strong on national defense, weak on everything else
EricPWJohnson on October 16, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Well, I DVR’d all three segments and I expect to see another 3 minute long video mash up of “Um’s, uh’s, well’s, ahem’s, and coughs on Youtube in the next day or so.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 7:31 PM
Bill C on October 16, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Seriously, you got Kowboy, Gatordoug, and other obvious Southerner handles with man crushes on Fred. Is there anybody not in the South that likes this guy?
When do you know you are a Rebubbakin?
You might be a Rebubbakin if…
…you think empty platitudes said with a Southern drawl is straight talk
…you get those little sprial thingies in your eyes everytime you hear Fred talk about “federalism” in his deep sexy drawl
…you are not bothered by Fred’s lobbying history for dictators, abortion groups, and against asbestos victims — because he’s from the South
…you think Fred was fulfilling an important role in the American justice system when Fred gave advice to terrorists so that they could avoid justice for 11 years — because, well, he’s from the South
…you think any Republican not from the South cannot be trusted to act consistent with their stated platform, because, well, they’re not from the South
…you excuse Fred’s slow rambling articulation, because he is tall, oh and he’s from the South
…you call all Republicans not from the South, RINO’s
…you call all Republicans not from the South, liberals
tommylotto on October 16, 2007 at 1:31 AM
Fred!, Mitt, or Rudy: Any of them over Hillary or Barack.
Black Adam on October 16, 2007 at 1:36 AM
So basically this can be summarized as:
Fraud Thompson attacks Rudy “Ghouliani” for being too liberal on abortion, crime, etc. instead of sticking to the tried-and-true conservative values of funneling PAC money to his son, lobbying for terrorists, and working for pro-abortion groups.
In other news: Mitt Romney attacks Jihad, and stands by his record whether you like it or not, and always keeps his promises.
BKennedy on October 16, 2007 at 3:26 AM
What’s bloody obvious is that you are an ignorant fool who I have explained my reasonings to several times and you still refuse to accept it.
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 6:02 AM
I like Giuliani precisely because he is not a moderate. His personal views on gay marriage and such have as much relevence as W’s personal views on tennis.
Giuliani’s track record speaks for itself. None of the other candidates come even close to touching it. Why more on our side can’t see this is really beyond me.
Halley on October 16, 2007 at 6:03 AM
Mitt is the most likable and trustworthy. Rudy a close second and Fred is somewhere behind Hunter.
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 6:05 AM
*gag* Yep, that says a lot, doesn’t it?
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 6:47 AM
Dan Rather came from Houston, too.
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 6:58 AM
For all the supporters of “I’ll consult with my lawyers” Mitt,
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10152007/news/nationalnews/wire_law_failed__lost_gi.htm
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 7:26 AM
Just exactly what did Mitt say that makes you think he’d bother to consult lawyers on an issue of hot pursuit?
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 7:32 AM
I believe it was his response during the last “debate.”
Something about what action he would take as President if he decided to attack Iran.
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 7:56 AM
I know the comment you are referring to. I am just trying to get your impression of it. The context of the comment was attacking Iran’s training camps etc. Those are not actions that have to be taken within hours, but rather over days. He did not say he would consult lawyers in a hot pursuit action.
O/T….
You’re in Thailand now? Were you in Iraq a couple months ago?
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 8:03 AM
Yes, still in Thailand at the moment. My contract in Baghdad was completed last month. I’ll be doing some diving over the next ten weeks, then back to the states for Christmas & New Years.
I have a neat occupation: work about hald the time, dive the rest. I sometimes sign on to some underwater expeditions and my wife joins us to take the u/w photos.
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 8:07 AM
Well, stay safe and pay attention to your dive tables. (I already know that you do)
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 8:59 AM
Well, stay safe and pay attention to your dive tables. (I already know that you do)
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 8:59 AM
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 9:15 AM
Oops. Got the quotes backwards. Me bad…
Texas Nick 77 on October 16, 2007 at 9:16 AM
Yeah I do that too.
I learned sport diving in the early 80’s but didn’t stick with it after starting the family. The deepest I’ve been was around 100′ off Ocho Rios off the coast of Jamaica. I actually done a free dive of about 90′ off the casino on Catalina. Mostly we dove off of Seal Beach in Laguna. I really do miss it.
csdeven on October 16, 2007 at 11:09 AM
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