AP: Fred to lower the boom on Rudy in speech tonight
posted at 1:53 pm on October 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Live from New York, to boot. It is, finally and officially, on:
Republican presidential contender Fred Thompson swipes at GOP rival Rudy Giuliani in a speech he plans to give Monday night on the former New York mayor’s home turf.
“Some think the way to beat the Democrats in November is to be more like them. I could not disagree more,” the one-time Tennessee senator says in remarks he is to deliver before the Conservative Party of New York.
“I believe that conservatives beat liberals only when we challenge their outdated positions, not embrace them. This is not a time for philosophical flexibility, it is a time to stand up for what we believe in,” Thompson adds…
“With me, what you see is what you get. I was a proud conservative yesterday, I remain one today, and I will be one tomorrow,” Thompson says.
That last line is as much a shot at Mitt as Rudy, thus confirming that this is Fred’s entry into the “real Republican” derby from this weekend. Politico sees an unstated alliance developing out of that between Giuliani and McCain contra Mitt, which makes sense insofar as they’re both centrists who need to hurdle the social con but not so much sense insofar as Fred’s much the bigger threat than Mitt is. Or is he? McCain needs a strong showing in Iowa or New Hampshire to resuscitate his campaign and Mitt’s the big dog in those states at the moment. Mitt’s also the only major candidate not to have received Dobson’s kiss of death; maybe they figure by knocking him out early, they take the religious right largely out of the equation in the primaries, thus boosting their own chances. That’s if you believe the religious right is going to come out strong for the Mormon candidate over the familiar southern Republican. Exit question: Anyone see that happening? Anyone?
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oooooh, sounds like Fred! is finally ready to play. Been waiting too long for this!
JamesLee on October 15, 2007 at 1:57 PM
I’d like to think that the religous right would understand that the battles over abortion and other issues dear to them depends on judges, and hopefully in the general they’ll come out srong for whoever ends up the candidate. But then again I just read that 7% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, so who knows. Idgits.
BadgerHawk on October 15, 2007 at 1:59 PM
Excuse me, Fred, but that’s not a very large boom you’re lowering.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 15, 2007 at 2:00 PM
If Fred’s the “real” conservative, then we are in big trouble. Might as well vote for Giuliani and be done with it; at least he understands the threat of radical Islam.
RW Wacko on October 15, 2007 at 2:03 PM
OHHH I do hope that csdeven has off work today, and is about to go nuts on this post. Please, please, pretty please.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Does anyone know what Fred did to tick-off Dobson? I had thought that Fred would have been the most appealing candidate to social conservatives.
dedalus on October 15, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Damn, Thompson is coming out swinging.
RW Wacko, I guess he has the best ‘credentials’ of the candidates but yeah outside of Hunter I don’t see any ‘real conservatives’. But I like Giuliani, I like Thompson, I justh aven’t decided who to vote for
Defector01 on October 15, 2007 at 2:09 PM
OH THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, AP!!!! I been waiting to say this from the moment I seen this on Fox this AM.
Bwahahahahaha!!!!
The historical facts of “What’s a dollar?” Fred’s “conservatism”….
Lobbied for a dictator
Lobbied against asbestos victims
Lobbied for an abortion group
Gave legal advice to terrorists
Championed McCain/Feingold
Lobbied for a fail nuke plant
Funneled campaign funds to his son
Yeah, we rational honest conservatives can see what we will get with “What’s a dollar?”, now we just need to get the deaf, dumb, and blind, groupies on board. “What’s a dollar?” thinks that flip flopping to pro-life and giving federalism a good dose of lip service is all he needs to establish conservative bona fides. The thing he fails to realize is that the list enumerated above are all anti-conservative at their core.
But, I guess that’s to be expected since it appears that a 40 year old idealist with no real life understanding is running his campaign. I half expect to catch her with her hand up his a$$ working his mouth.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:09 PM
It is Fred’s lack of support for the marriage amendment. He has a federalist approach to those kind of issues.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:11 PM
I work at home and I aims to please. :-)
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:11 PM
who dat?
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:13 PM
What did “What’s a dollar?” do to piss off Dobson?
Simple…he just acted within his nature.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Yeah, the only ones I see with any principles are the third-tier candidates, unfortunately. I thought Rudy had them, but now he is pretending to be a conservative, too in order to win the Republican nomination. He’ll swing left in a hurry for the general.
RW Wacko on October 15, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Anyone who thinks that radical Islam is the threat does not understand the threat as the radicals in Islam are the apostates.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 2:13 PM
He doesn’t go to Church often enough, got divorced and then married a woman half his age. I’m sure there is more…
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Had to fix that to accurately reflect csdeven……..
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:16 PM
C’mon! You do list some serious concerns over his past “involvements”, but to say “he lobbied for an abortion group is a little much. I remember the post AP had on that subject months ago and there was a lot more to the story than a cut-and-dry “he lobbied for…” accusation.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:16 PM
As far as I know, Rudy hasn’t embraced any lefty positions. He’s disavowed his gun-control past, but even if he didn’t, it’s not as if the President can take our guns away by himself. Rudy isn’t as personally opposed to abortions as Fred might be, but that doesn’t matter so long as Rudy promises to appoint conservative jurists. And I suppose that Rudy isn’t filled with the kind of blind loathing of homosexuals the way most social cons are, but he still doesn’t support gay “marriage” per se – he supports “domestic partnerships.” How is Fred more conservative than Rudy in a practical sense?
It’s really just because of regional chauvinism, isn’t it? Fred and Rudy know the GOP can’t win wihtout every single Southern state, so isn’t the point of Fred’s upcoming speech really “I’m from the South!”
Actually, aren’t Fred’s Southern roots the ENTIRE SELLING POINT of his campaign thus far, a la John Kerry & Vietnam? If Fred Thompson were from Montana, he’d never have been a serious candidate – he’d be in with the Tom Tancredos and Duncan Hunters and Sam Brownbacks.
Enrique on October 15, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Hey! me too! small world.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Fred doesn’t understand the threat of radical Islam?
Kensington on October 15, 2007 at 2:20 PM
I want to know what Fred and Rudy, as our fathers, will do for us, their children.
P.S. I am a snowman.
With a ponytail.
saint kansas on October 15, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Why did he have to vote for CFR!? My whole basis for overlooking some things like his votes against tort reform has to do with his claim that he is a federalist. But how can he be such and vote for CFR!? Still haven’t heard how he reconciles those two actions.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Funny, I thought he had already dropped out of the campaign and was busy funneling his campaign’s cash to his family members.
I figure his strategy is to pick as much low hanging Fred groupy fruit before he calls it quits. He’ll make the easy appearances, do some internet campaigning, ride around in a golf cart in his Gucci loafers, raise a bunch of cash from some suckas, then fade away just like that lead Rasmussen thought he had. America is not going to elect an oversized Larry King look alike, particularly not one with such a thin Hollywood like facade.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 2:21 PM
All of csdeven accusations are equally spurious.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:21 PM
Oh, I certainly hope not…
SFGate:
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 2:23 PM
McCain is best of friends with Mr. Thompson. The question is who will be the VP out of Giuliani/Thompson, or vice-versa.
Nope.
csdeven, aside from all that great cooking, cleaning, laundering, gardening (and sincerely, I admire that you do it and still remain an unabashed alpha male), and all the bashing of Mr. Thompson, what else do you do? You’re the best multi-tasker I know and I want that secret :)
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 2:24 PM
How about taking $$$ from an abortion group to throw your political weight around to promote the abortion group’s political objectives, then lying about it. Oh, and apparently, he can’t even talk his way out of a paper bag. But that is just Dobson’s opinion… Oh and he’s not a Christian….
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 2:24 PM
Google the terms “fred thompson Jean Bertrand Aristide” and you’ll get this article among others.
The burning necklace.
Nice guy to lobby on behalf of. And it wasn’t the only scumbag he chose for a client.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Funny, I thought he had already dropped out of the campaign and was busy funneling his campaign’s cash to his family members.
Doesn’t it ever bother you that you are so dishonest?
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:26 PM
Lot’s and lot’s of LSD……. :p
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Dearest Enrique, you can take this to the bank – during the general the Glacier will be sooooo from Arkansas, as if New York never even existed. Yes, sir, indeeeedy.
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Yes, I remember that. But I also recall that it was 20 hours over a long period of time, and that the lobbying was more of the law firm’s initiative, not Thompson’s personally. Also, I seem to remember that the real issue was not that he did that, but that he came out so adamantly denying that he had ever done anything like that.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Hey, he might could get away with one or two of these activities, but Fred has a long history of being on the wrong side of conservatism.
When it looks like a duck, etc. THAT is what regular folks will see. Not his BS excuses.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Fred will be on Cavuto’s show this afternoon. Already have my timer set to change the channel to FOX in case I happen to be watching something else.
Bicyea on October 15, 2007 at 2:30 PM
Yeah, but I’d bet you aren’t the house 8itch like I am.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:30 PM
You are right, there was more to the story, because Fred had his staff lie about it and deny it when it was true. We even had the abortion group representative tell an ancedote about Fred reinacting a role in a Western … but wait he had not been in a Western at that time… but wait again, he was actually in the middle of the production of a Western at that time. Ancedote confirmed, Fred lobbied.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 2:31 PM
And yet that doesn’t take away from the fact that he did.
For me it was, but I can’t speak for others here. I don’t appreciate candidates flatly denying doing something when asked, then it turns out they did. If you don’t remember, say that. By adamantly denying it, you better be sure you didn’t.
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Fred! at 23% and Rudy at 29%.
Looks pretty close to me tommyBoy.
omnipotent on October 15, 2007 at 2:32 PM
No Fred did not, one of his staffers did, Fred said he did not remember. Yes and it was 20 hours of work over a 2 and 1/2 year period. His work apparently dealt not with abortion, but the administrations opinions on contraceptives.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Good.
We finally got ’scumbag’ and ‘lobby’ in the same sentence! But I’m waiting for the jackpot. Anybody else playing?
BNCurtis on October 15, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Bingo! The Rebbubakins want the Confederacy to rise again!!!
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
Yes, there were hundreds of posts on that particular thread, and it turns out it was NOTHING like it was portrayed – at all. Just another hit/smear job. And naturally, csd (and others) fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. I’m not going to spend any time worrying about it.
jdawg on October 15, 2007 at 2:34 PM
Rasmussen:
T
So while it’s waaaaaaaay too early to discount him, he has lost ground.
amerpundit on October 15, 2007 at 2:35 PM
Maybe all these high power conservatives on his team are really just there for the possible handout when Fred converts his, I mean his groupies, hard earned $8 million into a PAC and is looking for someone to share it with? How many sucka’s donated more bucks when those people joined his campaign? And I use campaign in the loosest of terms. Basically this could be a campaign to fleece the pockets of the most ignorant of our society?
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:35 PM
Rudy talking to wife number three on cell phone:
Yes dear my plan is working great. Those crackers are now believing me and thinking that I am whatever they want me to be instead of believing their lying eyes.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 2:35 PM
You tell me.
Helped Lybian terrorists avoid justice for 11 years.
Has a closet jihadist as a campaign manager.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 2:38 PM
Nicely put.
BadgerHawk on October 15, 2007 at 2:38 PM
Fred Thompson is a nice man – good on policy, etc. But he’s a day late and a dollar short.
Speaking for myself – I want an SOB in the White House – someone not afraid to call a spade a spade, a liberal a liberal. I want someone who will fire idiots, and someone who will protect this nation at all costs.
Rudy is for me.
jake-the-goose on October 15, 2007 at 2:43 PM
I take care of the dogs, handle all the post office needs, dabble in Ebay a little, collect guns, do a little wood working, and support my wife 110% in everything she does. She works as a CNA for hospice patients and is THE most caring person I have ever met. I am in awe of her kindness and understanding.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Hmmmm, looks like you found a keeper, good for you cs.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:46 PM
Wise and very dead on! I had never even considered that course of action from her.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:46 PM
HEH! Nope, you’re right, I’m not! (Weight of Glory looks over shoulder for wife; sighs with relief that she is no where to be found)
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:48 PM
Dobson’s de facto support for Hillary is thinly veiled in his non-support for a republican.
That way he can indirectly support: full term abortion, Canlkes Care, and socialism while looking like a man of conviction and not piss-off the flock that he fleeces.
TheSitRep on October 15, 2007 at 2:50 PM
Heh heh heh wouldn’t want the little woman contradicting you eh?
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:50 PM
Rudy doesn’t fire idiots, he hires them and recommends them. Think Kerik and Chertoff for starts.
If you want someone who will protect this nation go for the real warrior, war hero McCain, not the phony warrior, draft dodging Giuliani.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 2:51 PM
Whoa…thats a scathing indictment worthy of csdeven…
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Thanks.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:52 PM
Heh! (in caveman voice) Little woman carry big stick, busts balls with it. Me careful. Stay safe.
Weight of Glory on October 15, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Would that be John Shamnesty McCain by any chance?
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Draft dodger? His draft number was 308. The highest number called was 196.
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Dont thank me, thank god. A mate like that is a precious thing and anyone fortunate enough to find one has found a thing worth great value.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:55 PM
Heh heh you just keep on doing that.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 2:55 PM
This is good, but Fred needs to really get it crankin’. He needs to get a good stump script, memorize it, and put it out there, often. Time’s-a-tickin’.
CP on October 15, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Yes. Old John “Americans won’t pick lettuce even for $50 an hour” McCain himself in the flesh, but at least not Rudy “Sanctuary City Mayor” Giuliani.
And at least McCain is a real warrior and not a phony warrior if that is what is so important in what someone is looking for. Do not take my comment responding to someone else comment as an endorsement of McCain. He is my second to last choice after Giuliani, but has got him beat by a mile.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 3:02 PM
And he refuses to kiss Dobson’s ass!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on October 15, 2007 at 3:02 PM
Yea, that too…
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:03 PM
That was at the end of the movie, you must have missed the earlier parts.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 3:03 PM
The deferments, you mean?
Like the ones Mitt and Fred received?
I think John Kerry proved that Vietnam is a bit less potent as a political issue now than it was in the past.
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 3:06 PM
Another Clinton in the White House gives Dobson another four (probably eight) years of material to work with. His radio show, Feces on the First Family, can turn the crank on the outrage du jour, and he can get the faithful to pony up with more dollars to fill his coffers, and more praise to swell his head.
windbag on October 15, 2007 at 3:14 PM
“He (Rudy) applied for a deferment but was rejected (first attempt to dodge the draft). In 1969, MacMahon (low friends in high places) wrote a letter to Giuliani’s draft board, asking (using and abusing his influence) that he (Rudy) be reclassified as 2-A, civilian occupation deferment, because Giuliani, who was a law clerk for MacMahon, was an essential employee (It would be hard to think of anything LESS essential. Even DOD employees seldom got 2-A’s.). The deferment was granted.(second attempt to dodge the draft successful)”
*
He was clearly a draft dodger. Very arguably times two. Text book case in plain fact.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 3:17 PM
I think the “October” surprise could well be that the evangelical king makers do come out for Romney. They have not come out definitively against him yet. If the Mormon thing were a disqualifier for them they would have been able to cross Romney off their list first instead of last.
I think the problem is, and what the 3rd party threat out of Salt Lake City was, is that they don’t want to have to come out publicly in support of Romney. They’ve done a lot to poison the well against Mormons over the years. They will have to back pedal some or even a lot.
They secretly want Romney to be successful on his own so they can just accept him as the front runner and give the “we support the nominee” answer.
The scary part for them is that they might have to give that endorsement to get the candidate they want. Which is why they are stalling and making threats.
Sebastian on October 15, 2007 at 3:17 PM
At Last!
Somebody had to go after Rudy for bein’ the liberal sheep in RINO clothing that he is! And I am REAL glad it’s my man Fred!
Besides Hillary I’m pretty sure that Rudy’s the only candidate who’s been photographed on more that one occasion wearin’ a dress and sportin’ full makeup (false eyelashes no less!)
Rudy can’t beat Hillary. With those two it just becomes a race between 2 New York libs who both are pro-choice, open-borders, pro-gay, tax and spend libs! Who sometimes wear dresses!
Don’t be fooled again!
Ex-tex on October 15, 2007 at 3:18 PM
csdevin
Okay, so could someone explain the basis for these accusations? I think we’ve already covered #3; #2 is, in general, not a bad thing (as the trial lawyers are on the other side); #6 – ?
We’re like to know what you’re talking about if we’re going to chop you into pieces
BillLalor on October 15, 2007 at 3:20 PM
LOL I’m quivering with anticipation of the game…
Ochlan on October 15, 2007 at 3:21 PM
So anyone who applied for deferments that the government made available was a draft dodger, in your view?
Interesting.
Again, though, I think you’ll find a very large contingent of voters simply no longer care about what politicians may or may not have done in their youth during the Vietnam War.
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 3:25 PM
I’m thinking about this very hard, and hopefully you are right. However I am also very much aware that there are still a great number of people for whom the manner in which an individual conducted themselves during Vietnam is still a very important issue. John Kerry’s conduct in Vietnam is probably what cost him the election.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:34 PM
It’s lunch time and after that I have a few errands to run, so I’ll try and find links after I get back.
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 3:34 PM
You should’ve heard Dr. James Dobson on the Laura Ingraham radio show this morning!
Quote:
“ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BY SEAN HANNITY, RUSH LIMBAUGH AND OTHERS IS THAT I WOULD SUPPORT A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. I HAVE NEVER, SUPPORTED A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. THAT WOULD BE a DISASTER!”
And so on and so forth.
The only reason I put in all caps is to reflect the passion and pitch in his voice when he said.
So there you have it. Backtracking a little?
Mcguyver on October 15, 2007 at 3:34 PM
“Ah ain’t no-ways tahrrrd…”
(Heh™.)
The Monster on October 15, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Hard to say. I think the only reason Kerry’s Vietnam service became an issue is because he attempted to make it a focus of his campaign, especially during the bizarre Democratic convention.
Voters were repulsed, I think, with the spectacle of a party celebrating the war they once hated and that showed in the post-convention polls, when Kerry received no “bounce.”
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Fetch me a samich and a beer house 8itch…….. :p
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:40 PM
No and that is not at all what I said. Not even close.
Now that almost sounds like a tacit admission on your part that he was a draft dodger. In any case that is what, and very clearly so, what he was. Period.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Or once the swifty’s pointed out what kind of a warrior Kerry really was
all the vet’sthe entire military voted against him.doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Actually it’s not, but if you want to try to interpret my comments to support your weak argument, feel free.
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 3:42 PM
Okay, I’m sure this will be unpopular, but I am going to come out and say it. I do not think that a history of service in the military during a time of war is necessarily a good thing for our civilian political leaders to have — particularly in time of war. In fact, sometimes it can be a hinderance (Sorry csdeven) I know it sounds counter intuitive, but hear me out. Combat experience gives the soldier a true understanding of the horrors of war and the suffering, not only on the battlefield, but also in the families of the soldiers and the extended families. A former soldier will comprehend all the negative consequences of a military operations as well as its negative echoes with the family and friends. This can lead to varying degrees of hesitance to use force to protect this country’s vital national interests. Kerry would be Exhibit “A”. Even McCain, as brave a hero as there is, draws the line on legal but harsh interrogation techniques because of his history of having been tortured himself. Combat and its uses are very personal for these veterans — too personal. Sometimes you need a chickenhawk with ice water pumping through his veins (ala Cheney) willing to feed lives to the meat grinder if that is what is necessary to protect the interests of this country. Think of a soldier’s general like McClellan unwilling to unnecessarily spill the blood of his soldiers, but equally incapable of achieving his objective, as oppose to that bastard Grant, feeding the meat grinder.
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 3:43 PM
In a very technical kind of way. But by that same logic every person who took a 1b student deferment was also a draft dodger. Which as I said is technically true, but doesn’t hold the same connotations as someone who for example fled to Canada.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:46 PM
I’m actually going to agree with you on this one, Ike comes to mind right off the bat. Brilliant military tactician, but a terrible politician.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:48 PM
Yeah, and Kerry handed them the weapon when he ran based on his Vietnam service. A master politician, that guy was.
Frightening to think how close he came to being president.
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 3:50 PM
A-men to that brother, A-men to that…
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 3:55 PM
…and you told us (repeatedly) that you are a lawyer…
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 4:03 PM
Yup. I actually flunked my induction physical (Classified 1Y, only go before 4F’s. In other words never would have gone.) and had to go to a private doctor to override it. They had measured my blood pressure at just over the limit of 140/90 and classified me as 1Y. I knew from giving blood a lot of times (I have a very rare blood type and the Red Cross called me every couple months) that it should have been around 120/80. The private doctor that I had to pay to go to measured it at 120/80 or there abouts repeatedly and thought that it was probably high at the induction physical as they had us packed in like sardines sitting around waiting, waiting, waiting and waiting for hours and that kind of thing made and still makes me “just crazy”. In others words, I had to get a “note” from my doctor to be drafted while big macho warrior Rudy was getting a “note” from his sleazy employer to not be drafted.
So just what am I suppose to think about him?
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 4:03 PM
csdeven on October 15, 2007 at 2:43 PM
You know that I always liked you, in spite of the obnoxious Fred-bashing. Now that you tell me about the dogs, nothing can alter this friendship :)
p.s. I’m also happy for your good life and wife.
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Thats up to you, its a personal issue. You didn’t get drafted, you volunteered. What Rudy did was perfectly legal and not particularly disgraceful. He found a way to legally not get drafted, personally I think it’s no big deal. I was born in 1961 so I missed the Vietnam draft by just a few years. As it turned out I couldn’t have gotten drafted even if I had wanted to(which military brat that I am/was I did want). I was born with clubbed feet and had surgery to correct them when I was very young, however I still only have about 50 percent usage of my right ankle. 4F right there.
So as I said, personally I don’t think it a big deal, lots of people found legal semi-honorable ways to avoid being drafted I don’t think ill of any of them, nor do I think ill of Rudy for it. how you feel however is up to you, and you are fully within your rights to not respect his decision. Like I said, its up to you.
doriangrey on October 15, 2007 at 4:14 PM
Fixed your spin…
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Weak argument? Huh? ROFLMAO!!!
What then would Rudy have to have done for him to have been a draft dodger in your mind?
Gone into hiding on the planet Mars? Would that have done it?
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 4:19 PM
Glad to have provided you with some amusement. I always love to brighten someone’s day.
As for your question, I do not believe seeking deferments is draft dodging. As doriangrey said earlier in the thread, were you to use such a broad definition, then every college student in America at the time was “dodging the draft.”
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 4:23 PM
A 2S student deferment was considered legitimate as going to college was normal and it did not usually dodge the draft, just delayed it. I had a couple of 2S’s myself.
I actually had/have more respect for those who left the country than the Rudy types. Those who went to Canada were actually called, if memory serves, not daft dodgers, but draft evaders.
MB4 on October 15, 2007 at 4:26 PM
and
tommylotto on October 15, 2007 at 3:43 PM
I agree with both of you, Slublog and tommylotto. This is a nonconventional and very looooong war. Besides not one, aside from McCain, who will not make it, has war experience, from both sides. It simply won’t matter in ‘08.
However, MB4, I still appreciate all your posts, especially the one about you asking your doctor to write you a note to join. So many pearls on this board, so many of you. We are so little compared to so many of you. Thank you for our freedom.
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Since Giuliani’s deferment did just that (he was in the lottery later), then how can you not consider his deferment equally legitimate?
Oh, wait…forgot. He’s a RINO. Anything goes!
Slublog on October 15, 2007 at 4:28 PM
And Slublog, and others, thanks for today’s amusement by recalling that ‘child’ with his “My name is John (Forbes) Kerry, and I’m reporting for duty”. When I saw that I laughed so hard that I nearly hit the floor. From then on it was one amusement after the other. I never even believed the exit polls on election day. With all the stupidities which have followed, from the right and the left, that day I will never forget, so long as I will have a mind clear enough to comprehend. Taling to the Europeans the day after was a riot.
Entelechy on October 15, 2007 at 4:33 PM
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