When will he stop adding to the crisis!

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design…

Here’s where he should have stopped. When he went off into the Leftist talking points, he completely lost a vast majority of the electorate – save those who believe Al Gore’s interpretation of Global Warming. He had the conservative talking points, then offended all conservatives by buying in to the Goracles “theories”.

If the Dhemocrats were staunchly pro-life you’d see a bunch of Christians moving to the Dhemocrat party. If there’s something the Bible is clear about, it’s that human life has value no matter what age it is. God creates life and it’s not up to us to destroy innocent human life.

As it stands the Dhemocrats view abortion as a gift from God. This is insanity.

Romans 1:25-28, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10, are not references to pagan worship practices.

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:33 PM

Lancer, you may wish to read the First Chapter of Romans before making such claims. You may wish to pay attention to verses 21-23. The liberal Christians are clearly right–fundamentalistically right–in their interpretation of the first chapter of Romans. I’m not a liberal Christian and so you’d do best read what they have to say about 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. I just remember that what they had to say was persuasive.

Furthermore, nowhere in the New Testament is anything positive said about homosexual behavior that one might use to counter those verses.

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:33 PM

You wish to consider whether you believe that your statement here agrees with you posted eight minutes later:

The issue of usury has been a thorn for Christians in the past. The current thinking (someone correct me if I am wrong here) is that, given that the Bible predates the invention of the bank, that the usury passages referred to charging interest to a friend for a loan. A bank loan, being a business transaction, is considered a different entity entirely.
Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:41 PM

Why does the Bible not talking about banks means interest is ok, but the same doesn’t apply to homosexuality for gays?

The first one that conservatives use that liberals do not is willing submission to the father figure. This is why liberals reject God in their politics.

Exit question: On which pressing policy matter will Obama next look to the Word for guidance?

And God sayeth: The man shall be the head of the woman as Christ is the head of the church, therefore no frappin 8itch should ever be president.

It all boils down to what “scientists” can be bought by Gore and his ilk and which cannot. Obviously, this one cannot. He’d better watch his step and look behind his back frequently. His age gives him away. Most men his age (except libs like Jimmah Cartah) are from an exceptional generation, are honest and have a sense of honor and decency. I am just sick to death of Gorebal Whoring. Just follow the money and look for the agenda.

-2nd Revelation of the Prophet Barrack Obama

(P.S. I don’t know about anyone else, but the Preview function only works hit-or-miss for me, and mostly miss.)

Extremely well said!

And, your summation says it all:

And therefore, they do NOT embrace religion, but cynically use it to advance their agenda.

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design… — Obama

No. These are not the only things that matter, but all of these things are very important.

Maxx on October 14, 2007 at 5:56 PM

One of my passions in life is thinking up arguments to attack liberal Christianity (and Catholicism). I consider myself to be the most vicious attacker of Unitarianism. Still, I have to award some points to liberal Christianity here. The idea that gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design are important issue relative to Christianity is simply not justified at all by the Bible or anything resembling rational reflection on Christian doctrine. Intelligent design (as a substitute for evolution) is at best a rather obscure point of apologetics. The verses in the Bible that most directly deal with the issue of state sponsored prayer in schools suggest opposition to such prayers (e.g. Matthew 6:6). Christian opposition to gambling is much firmly established than either of these issues and certainly appears to make more sense in terms of Scripture.
Gay marriage is a bit more difficult for my position here. But the liberal Christians are correct that the Bible did not consider gay people and most of the relatively small number of condemnation of homosexuality appear in the context of worship practices in pagan temples. Usury is much more clearly condemned, yet I haven’t noticed any conservative Christian saying lending practices at credit card companies is a very important Christian issue–not that I’d want to do so!!

georgej on October 14, 2007 at 5:15 PM

VERY well said!

ONE of the world’s foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize “ridiculous” and the product of “people who don’t understand how the atmosphere works”.

“The human impact on the atmosphere is simply too small to have a major effect on global temperatures,” Dr Gray said.

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design… — Obama

No. These are not the only things that matter, but all of these things are very important.

“Science has made it undeniably clear that our generation is not living up to this responsibility.”

Science and Religion all in the same breath.

Can this be allowed?

I wonder what his deity Karl would think of the whole carbon ‘indulgence’ scam?

Sure, he would approve of it as a political tool against capitalism;
But what would he think about the guys like Al Gore that are making personal fortunes off the gullibility of the ‘proletariat’ by selling them *nothing* for a high price?

And what would Karl think about Obama’s constant spouting off about God and pretending to be a gung ho Christian? Is it a valid tool to advance the Marxist cause, or does it sully the ‘purity’ of the communist movement?

Beware the man that knows the mind of God.

Asher on October 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM

Reminds me of that guy Mahommed who also claims to know the mind of God!!

yaaaa sure they do.

You’re projecting here, I think. The left hasn’t “found religion,” not at all. Religion, especially Christianity, is anathema to socialists and liberals in its essentials.

Religion, and not in the sense that Ann Coulter used it in her book Godless: The Church of Liberalism, is, ultimately, the belief in a higher power. If one does believe in a higher power, that certain concepts logically follow.

One of those concepts is the belief in “absolutism.” Christians and Jews, especially, believe in an ultimate expression of absolutism, The Ten Commandments. Other religions have other precepts, but I’ll focus on these because they are part of our common heritage. BTW, both Christianity and Judaism have other tenets of creed, but both society and law have embraced the Ten Commandment’s tenets as the fundamental precept for our laws.

And this is the problem for liberals and socialists.

They categorically reject absolutism. They embrace, instead, moral relativism. In short, the “if it feels good, do it” mantra of the 60’s.

It is no accident that soon after Gramsci’s Notes were translated into English, that the left embraced “separation of religion,” because it accomplished two objectives: Begin the isolation of religion in society with the end goal of removing religion from participation in the public square, and to begin to gain mastery of the educational system by removing a major obstacle to their agenda — school prayer.

Their logic behind all this goes something like this: If absolutes are allowed to be taught (i.e., “Thou shalt not kill,” or “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” etc.), as an embodiment behind the formal use of school prayer, then their goal of reshaping society into one that accepts communism cannot be accomplished. Instead of absolute prohibitions (”absolute good or evil”) which is deeply embodied in The Ten Commandments, the left needed to change the dialog into viewing human behavior in terms of “relative good or evil.” In other words, “good” and “evil” are situational.

If “good” and “evil” are relative and situational, then the left can justify all its behavior in terms of being for the “greater good,” including everything from confiscatory taxation, gun control, and to even Pol Pot’s genocide. Why? Because natural and Constitutional RIGHTS are also situational, even the right to life.

And now you know why the left embraces the concept that the Constitution is a “living document.” And also why the left embraces abortion and euthanasia.

But back to the left finding religion.

They haven’t. They CAN’T. Because they cannot accept absolutism in their philosophy. And if they can’t accept absolute precepts, then what good is belief in a higher being (or God) who mandated these precepts? Logically, if one doesn’t have to obey the laws of a “Supreme Being”, as things are relative or situational, then THERE IS NO SUPREME BEING to mandate anything. If there is not a supreme being, there is nothing to be religious about.

Therefore, the “religious left” as they call themselves are running a scam. At best, it’s hypocrisy. At worst, it’s deliberate fraud on their part. They may call themselves Christians or Jews, or whatever, but they embrace not the Word of God, but the moral relativism of man.

And therefore, they do NOT embrace religion, but cynically use it to advance their agenda.