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Noted Christianist: God wants us to offset our carbon emissions

posted at 2:37 pm on October 14, 2007 by Allahpundit
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It’s been a long journey but with this, in the great gun-to-my-head, if-I-had-to-choose Obama vs. Hillary hypothetical, I’m finally ready to pull the lever for the Glacier. Cometh the Kingdom:

“Our faith informs our values, and I think we’d all agree that our values inform our politics more than they have over the last six years,” the Illinois senator said at an interfaith forum in downtown Des Moines.

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design…

He said there are other challenges that can unite people of faith, one of them being the issue of climate change.

“The bible tells us that when God created the earth, he entrusted us with the responsibility to take care of that earth,” he said. “It is a responsibility to ensure that this planet remains clean and safe and livable for our children, and for all of God’s children.”

“Science has made it undeniably clear that our generation is not living up to this responsibility.”

The nice thing about the left finding religion is that it forces each side to stand in the other’s traditional shoes when nonsense like this is floated. The right’s been playing the “God says” game for years, just as the left’s been bristling at it as an appeal to authority that inappropriately injects religion into a policy debate. And now, criss cross. Exit question: On which pressing policy matter will Obama next look to the Word for guidance? (Exit answer: Not gay marriage.)


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Beware the man that knows the mind of God.

Asher on October 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM

what is obama doing? does this religion stuff really play with the dems? at least in the primaries? if this is all he’s got, clinton -is- the nominee.

lorien1973 on October 14, 2007 at 2:41 PM

-or-

so, that’s why god kicked adam and eve out of eden; when they ate the fruit they didn’t plant another tree to appease gaia.

lorien1973 on October 14, 2007 at 2:41 PM

I’m pretty sure there are rules from God about lies.damned lies and statistics.

bbz123 on October 14, 2007 at 2:42 PM

It hasnt been just the right who have pushed religeon in politics. During the veitnam war can find all sorts preaching that religeon demands an anti war stance.

Im just shocked that Obama hasnt pushed that agenda yet

William Amos on October 14, 2007 at 2:44 PM

Beware the man that knows the mind of God.

Asher on October 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

Just sayin….

Constant Parrhesia on October 14, 2007 at 2:48 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

Just sayin….

Constant Parrhesia on October 14, 2007 at 2:48 PM

Thats a phoney quote made by some Palistinian to justify Jihad against the west

William Amos on October 14, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Next: Noted Christianist says God endorses universal health care, open borders and exhorbitant taxes ….

darwin on October 14, 2007 at 2:53 PM

Hillary is running unopposed. That there are some Dem’s with a special affinity for a young, inexperienced, intelligent black candidate is irrelevant.

JiangxiDad on October 14, 2007 at 2:53 PM

“Noted Christianist”

Maybe that should read “Phony Christianist”.

darwin on October 14, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Gah, enough of this crap! I honestly wish God would strike both Democrats and Republicans who trumpet their Christianity to get votes.

mram on October 14, 2007 at 2:54 PM

I don’t really know what Bible Obama is reading, but if you read the book of Revelations it will tell you that in the end times the earth is scorched by drought and the soil becomes barren and unable to produce crops.

ericire12 on October 14, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Exit question: On which pressing policy matter will Obama next look to the Word for guidance? (Exit answer: Not gay marriage.)

I utterly disagree. More positive re-interpretations of the Bible verses that have been interpreted as anti-gay are quite persuasive. Certainly, almost all members of Obama’s denomination, the United Church of Christ, are going to be persuaded by those interpretations. It is but a short hop from there to Christian case for demanding gay marriage. After all, we are all equal in the eyes of God.

thuja on October 14, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Beware the man that knows the mind of God.

Asher on October 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM

At least if (s)he can’t back it up with scripture.

While it’s true God put man in charge of the planet and we are to be good stewards, I can’t find Global Warming in the Bible. Perhaps the opposite.

Genesis 8:22 –
“While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
And cold and heat,
And summer and winter,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”

Ordinary1 on October 14, 2007 at 3:05 PM

God doesn’t care about carbon offsets. I think he cares more about murdering unborn children, but I could be wrong.

spec_ops_mateo on October 14, 2007 at 3:05 PM

It is but a short hop from there to Christian case for demanding gay marriage. After all, we are all equal in the eyes of God.

thuja on October 14, 2007 at 3:05 PM

If that happens, then I will know for sure that we are in the end of the end of days.

Ordinary1 on October 14, 2007 at 3:07 PM

Actually, this is goldmine for the Republicans, though they will probably ignore this opportunity.
If Obama wants to talk Christianity, great.I propose a panel of Christians such as R.C. Sproul, Jeff Seif, John Piper, etc. be allowed to question Obama at length about his beliefs. If he’s a faux Christian in sheeps clothing, they could determine that pretty quickly. If he is indeed a believer, instead of a political opportunist attempting to persuade religious people to vote for him, well and good.
If someone claims to be a doctor, medical boards question him to determine whether he is credible. Let a board of Christian leaders question Obama.

Doug on October 14, 2007 at 3:19 PM

AllahPundit for President!

I’ll even chip in for an iPhone.

Kini on October 14, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Democrats are certainly concerned with lunacy. The more contrived, the less reasonable, the more objectionable, the more they embrace it.

Rode Werk on October 14, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Can we get our carbon indulgences directly from our own Church or do we have to buy them through St. Al?

pedestrian on October 14, 2007 at 4:05 PM

Maybe he and all of the globabl warming religionists should just STFU and thus reduce carbon emissions. Not that I personally believe CARBON is a pollutant, but it would be nice if they just STFU!

SouthernGent on October 14, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Can we get our carbon indulgences directly from our own Church or do we have to buy them through St. Al?

pedestrian on October 14, 2007 at 4:05 PM

I actually did LOL!

Ordinary1 on October 14, 2007 at 4:32 PM

Exit question: On which pressing policy matter will Obama next look to the Word for guidance?

Shamnesty; not bombing Iran; universal (and universally crappy) health care. It’s a trifecta of bad ideas.

Thomas the Wraith on October 14, 2007 at 4:34 PM

I love how Democrats play the faith/morality card when they want to shame us into behaving a certain way, but when it comes to their own personal integrity and ethics those standards are out the window.

infidel4life on October 14, 2007 at 4:41 PM

More positive re-interpretations of the Bible verses that have been interpreted as anti-gay are quite persuasive.

Translation: Rewriting the Scripture to eliminate un-PC doctrine is very popular with those who don’t actually take the Scripture seriously as the Word of God.

I’ve said it before, the dirty little secret of the pro-homosexual groups in the Christian community is that, having discarded the repeated Biblical injunctions against homosexual behavior, they don’t have a theological leg to stand on regarding any other sexual perversion. After all, those who engage in bestiality, incest and pedophilia are

all equal in the eyes of God

too, aren’t they?

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 4:42 PM

(Exit) Question asked, and answered! Bingo.

As a Christian conservative who belongs to a(n apparently) leftist Christian church, I now get the great satisfaction of laughing from the belly while the religious left — as Allah properly points out — twists themselves into little cross shaped pretzels to be the exact hateful thing that I’m not sure the Christian right ever was, but is constantly portrayed as being.

That would be ignorant theocrats. It’s hard to know where to start with Obamessiah. He’s so utterly full of sh*t that I can only compare him to the Great Sh*tbag of our generation, Bill Clinton. Rarely has someone lied so often, and so awfully, as this puffball.

He’s a half white, half black guy, raised by white people, who calls himself black, is a member of a racist black church, criticizes the Christian right for “using religion to separate us”, gives political speeches in churches, makes up odd claims about what “the Bible says” in support of his PC position on climate change, takes political positions in opposition to Christian theology all over the place, and claims both that the Bush administration is a theocracy, and that their values clearly are not informed by Christianity.

But, I suppose if he didn’t already exist, the left would have to invent him. Wait…maybe they did.

Jaibones on October 14, 2007 at 4:43 PM

Having said all that, it’s pretty clear regarding Christians and the Bible that it’s an a la carte deal. So many of us seem to pick and choose what we want, while leaving behind that which we can’t handle.

Eye for an eye too tough (if you misread it), then go with turn the other cheek (and misread that, too). Don’t like stoning people? Too judgemental? No problem. Have a taste for a nice grilled Black Kite? Hmmm…those dietary rules must have been phased out by Vatican II, right?

Jaibones on October 14, 2007 at 4:47 PM

Satan in Obama’s clothing.

Never listen to one who you know wil screw you if you know his agenda ahead of time.

madmonkphotog on October 14, 2007 at 5:13 PM

Hmm, a good example of the discussion on another thread on how non-Christians don’t understand Christianity. Unfortunately, however, there are many who do take an a la carte approach-basically going along with whatever they like and ignoring what isn’t PC or doesn’t give them warm fuzzies. The ones who argue that the Bible okays homosexual behavior are prime examples.

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 5:13 PM

“The nice thing about the left finding religion…”

You’re projecting here, I think. The left hasn’t “found religion,” not at all. Religion, especially Christianity, is anathema to socialists and liberals in its essentials.

Religion, and not in the sense that Ann Coulter used it in her book Godless: The Church of Liberalism, is, ultimately, the belief in a higher power. If one does believe in a higher power, that certain concepts logically follow.

One of those concepts is the belief in “absolutism.” Christians and Jews, especially, believe in an ultimate expression of absolutism, The Ten Commandments. Other religions have other precepts, but I’ll focus on these because they are part of our common heritage. BTW, both Christianity and Judaism have other tenets of creed, but both society and law have embraced the Ten Commandment’s tenets as the fundamental precept for our laws.

And this is the problem for liberals and socialists.

They categorically reject absolutism. They embrace, instead, moral relativism. In short, the “if it feels good, do it” mantra of the 60’s.

It is no accident that soon after Gramsci’s Notes were translated into English, that the left embraced “separation of religion,” because it accomplished two objectives: Begin the isolation of religion in society with the end goal of removing religion from participation in the public square, and to begin to gain mastery of the educational system by removing a major obstacle to their agenda — school prayer.

Their logic behind all this goes something like this: If absolutes are allowed to be taught (i.e., “Thou shalt not kill,” or “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” etc.), as an embodiment behind the formal use of school prayer, then their goal of reshaping society into one that accepts communism cannot be accomplished. Instead of absolute prohibitions (”absolute good or evil”) which is deeply embodied in The Ten Commandments, the left needed to change the dialog into viewing human behavior in terms of “relative good or evil.” In other words, “good” and “evil” are situational.

If “good” and “evil” are relative and situational, then the left can justify all its behavior in terms of being for the “greater good,” including everything from confiscatory taxation, gun control, and to even Pol Pot’s genocide. Why? Because natural and Constitutional RIGHTS are also situational, even the right to life.

And now you know why the left embraces the concept that the Constitution is a “living document.” And also why the left embraces abortion and euthanasia.

But back to the left finding religion.

They haven’t. They CAN’T. Because they cannot accept absolutism in their philosophy. And if they can’t accept absolute precepts, then what good is belief in a higher being (or God) who mandated these precepts? Logically, if one doesn’t have to obey the laws of a “Supreme Being”, as things are relative or situational, then THERE IS NO SUPREME BEING to mandate anything. If there is not a supreme being, there is nothing to be religious about.

Therefore, the “religious left” as they call themselves are running a scam. At best, it’s hypocrisy. At worst, it’s deliberate fraud on their part. They may call themselves Christians or Jews, or whatever, but they embrace not the Word of God, but the moral relativism of man.

And therefore, they do NOT embrace religion, but cynically use it to advance their agenda.

georgej on October 14, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Beware the man that knows the mind of God.

Asher on October 14, 2007 at 2:40 PM

Reminds me of that guy Mahommed who also claims to know the mind of God!!

yaaaa sure they do.

allrsn on October 14, 2007 at 5:22 PM

Obama really only worships Marx (And I don’ mean Groucho, Harpo or Chico).

I wonder what his deity Karl would think of the whole carbon ‘indulgence’ scam?

Sure, he would approve of it as a political tool against capitalism;
But what would he think about the guys like Al Gore that are making personal fortunes off the gullibility of the ‘proletariat’ by selling them *nothing* for a high price?

And what would Karl think about Obama’s constant spouting off about God and pretending to be a gung ho Christian? Is it a valid tool to advance the Marxist cause, or does it sully the ‘purity’ of the communist movement?

LegendHasIt on October 14, 2007 at 5:27 PM

“Science has made it undeniably clear that our generation is not living up to this responsibility.”

Science and Religion all in the same breath.

Can this be allowed?

Kini on October 14, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Sounds like a False Prophet to me….

Regney on October 14, 2007 at 5:42 PM

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design… — Obama

No. These are not the only things that matter, but all of these things are very important.

Maxx on October 14, 2007 at 5:56 PM

Gore gets a cold shoulder

ONE of the world’s foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize “ridiculous” and the product of “people who don’t understand how the atmosphere works”.

“We’re brainwashing our children,” said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado State University. “They’re going to the Gore movie [An Inconvenient Truth] and being fed all this. It’s ridiculous.”

“We’ll look back on all of this in 10 or 15 years and realise how foolish it was,” Dr Gray said.

“The human impact on the atmosphere is simply too small to have a major effect on global temperatures,” Dr Gray said.

MB4 on October 14, 2007 at 6:12 PM

georgej on October 14, 2007 at 5:15 PM

VERY well said!

Ordinary1 on October 14, 2007 at 7:30 PM

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design… — Obama

No. These are not the only things that matter, but all of these things are very important.

Maxx on October 14, 2007 at 5:56 PM

One of my passions in life is thinking up arguments to attack liberal Christianity (and Catholicism). I consider myself to be the most vicious attacker of Unitarianism. Still, I have to award some points to liberal Christianity here. The idea that gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design are important issue relative to Christianity is simply not justified at all by the Bible or anything resembling rational reflection on Christian doctrine. Intelligent design (as a substitute for evolution) is at best a rather obscure point of apologetics. The verses in the Bible that most directly deal with the issue of state sponsored prayer in schools suggest opposition to such prayers (e.g. Matthew 6:6). Christian opposition to gambling is much firmly established than either of these issues and certainly appears to make more sense in terms of Scripture.
Gay marriage is a bit more difficult for my position here. But the liberal Christians are correct that the Bible did not consider gay people and most of the relatively small number of condemnation of homosexuality appear in the context of worship practices in pagan temples. Usury is much more clearly condemned, yet I haven’t noticed any conservative Christian saying lending practices at credit card companies is a very important Christian issue–not that I’d want to do so!!

thuja on October 14, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Georgej

Extremely well said!

And, your summation says it all:

And therefore, they do NOT embrace religion, but cynically use it to advance their agenda.

Neocon Peg on October 14, 2007 at 8:29 PM

Romans 1:25-28, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10, are not references to pagan worship practices. Furthermore, nowhere in the New Testament is anything positive said about homosexual behavior that one might use to counter those verses.
Leviticus 18:6-24 is a list of sexual taboos, not worship taboos (with the exception of verse 21). The chapter mentions not only homosexual behavior but also incest, bestiality, and sleeping with the neighbor’s wife. Neither is Leviticus 20:10-21 a discussion of pagan worship practices.
Sorry, but the “its a pagan worship thing” holds no more water than any of the other lame attempts I’ve come across to explain away the clear meaning of multiple passages of Scripture.
(I note that the Bible has nothing to say about homosexuality itself-its the act, not the tendency, that is condemned.)

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:33 PM

The issue of usury has been a thorn for Christians in the past. The current thinking (someone correct me if I am wrong here) is that, given that the Bible predates the invention of the bank, that the usury passages referred to charging interest to a friend for a loan. A bank loan, being a business transaction, is considered a different entity entirely.

(P.S. I don’t know about anyone else, but the Preview function only works hit-or-miss for me, and mostly miss.)

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:41 PM

“And the Lord opened the seal on The Inconvenient Truth and said “You are neither hot nor cold but globally warmed and therefore I will spew you out”"

-2nd Revelation of the Prophet Barrack Obama

burnitup on October 14, 2007 at 8:55 PM

MB4 on October 14, 2007 at 6:12 PM

It all boils down to what “scientists” can be bought by Gore and his ilk and which cannot. Obviously, this one cannot. He’d better watch his step and look behind his back frequently. His age gives him away. Most men his age (except libs like Jimmah Cartah) are from an exceptional generation, are honest and have a sense of honor and decency. I am just sick to death of Gorebal Whoring. Just follow the money and look for the agenda.

Neocon Peg on October 14, 2007 at 8:59 PM

Exit question: On which pressing policy matter will Obama next look to the Word for guidance?

And God sayeth: The man shall be the head of the woman as Christ is the head of the church, therefore no frappin 8itch should ever be president.

csdeven on October 14, 2007 at 9:31 PM

A month ago or so, we had a topic with this liberal professor of sorts who discussed the difference between the way conservatives and liberals think. Conservatives use 5 moral guidelines in their lives. Liberals use 2 or 3.

The first one that conservatives use that liberals do not is willing submission to the father figure. This is why liberals reject God in their politics.

csdeven on October 14, 2007 at 9:37 PM

Obama, Jackson and Sharpton role in the Democratic primaries are similar to that of most black actors in a Hollywood movie. They are there long enough to provide cover for liberals (see…we are not racist) before they are killed of. In the case of the Democratics, they keep them around long enough to con blacks into believing conservatives are racist. Expect the hook anytime now.
Exit stage left.

RMR on October 14, 2007 at 10:15 PM

Romans 1:25-28, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10, are not references to pagan worship practices.

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:33 PM

Lancer, you may wish to read the First Chapter of Romans before making such claims. You may wish to pay attention to verses 21-23. The liberal Christians are clearly right–fundamentalistically right–in their interpretation of the first chapter of Romans. I’m not a liberal Christian and so you’d do best read what they have to say about 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. I just remember that what they had to say was persuasive.

Furthermore, nowhere in the New Testament is anything positive said about homosexual behavior that one might use to counter those verses.

Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:33 PM

You wish to consider whether you believe that your statement here agrees with you posted eight minutes later:

The issue of usury has been a thorn for Christians in the past. The current thinking (someone correct me if I am wrong here) is that, given that the Bible predates the invention of the bank, that the usury passages referred to charging interest to a friend for a loan. A bank loan, being a business transaction, is considered a different entity entirely.
Lancer on October 14, 2007 at 8:41 PM

Why does the Bible not talking about banks means interest is ok, but the same doesn’t apply to homosexuality for gays?

thuja on October 14, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Lancer, I’m sorry for leaving out a couple of words. I need to reread what I write after fifteen minutes, or the left out words appear before my eyes.

thuja on October 14, 2007 at 10:33 PM

I can’t wait until the God’s big carbon footprint crushes down on all of these idiots.

mimi1220 on October 14, 2007 at 11:30 PM

The Dhems get everything backwards. Christians are Republicans because it better reflects our faith NOT the other way around.

If the Dhemocrats were staunchly pro-life you’d see a bunch of Christians moving to the Dhemocrat party. If there’s something the Bible is clear about, it’s that human life has value no matter what age it is. God creates life and it’s not up to us to destroy innocent human life.

As it stands the Dhemocrats view abortion as a gift from God. This is insanity.

Mojave Mark on October 15, 2007 at 12:32 AM

Obama said that too often religious leaders use faith to “exploit what divides us” by saying that the only issues that matter are abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design…

Here’s where he should have stopped. When he went off into the Leftist talking points, he completely lost a vast majority of the electorate – save those who believe Al Gore’s interpretation of Global Warming. He had the conservative talking points, then offended all conservatives by buying in to the Goracles “theories”.

thedecider on October 15, 2007 at 1:02 AM

Maybe B. Hussein Obama can obtain carbon credits from Algore’s company. The guy is an airhead. I can’t understand why anyone takes him seriously.

dogsoldier on October 15, 2007 at 6:55 AM

Every time Obama opens his mouth out comes… carbon dioxide.

When will he stop adding to the crisis!

profitsbeard on October 15, 2007 at 12:12 PM

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