Video: Coulter vs. Deutsch; Update: Arab anti-discrimination committee accuses Coulter of anti-semitism
posted at 5:17 pm on October 12, 2007 by Allahpundit
We’re approaching 600 comments in the other Coulter thread so I figured you deserved to see the clip. It’s even clearer to me after watching, especially the tail end of it, that she didn’t mean anything untoward by what she said. She thinks Christians have been saved by Christ and Jews haven’t quite gotten there yet, but they will. For this there’s a bounty on her head?
Update: How very kind of the AADC suddenly to be so sensitive to anti-semitism.
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If Ann Coulter and Donny Deutch were to marry and have a child, would their child be a Jew? Should the child be offended if the answer is no?
Buy Danish on October 12, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Ann’s mistake was letting him sucker her with his opportunistic spin on “perfected”. Rather than being apologetic, she should have called him out on it immediately, and refused to indulge his misrepresentation of her use of the word any further in the dialog.
petefrt on October 12, 2007 at 7:35 PM
If a Christian got offended in a forest, would anybody notice?
bridgetown on October 12, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Don’t you see the logical end of this “outrage.” Donny was beside himself over what she said. She explained that she didn’t make it up, it is what the New Testament states. At some point this will flip and the libs will feel justified in attacking Chritianity through the statements in the New Testament. Thier line of reasoning will be that Christianity promotes anti-semetic beliefs and that “the children” need to be protected from such “hatred.” They will demand more repression of Christianity in the public sector.
That is until someone points out to them that our Savior is a Jew.
Mallard T. Drake on October 12, 2007 at 7:42 PM
I like of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee tries to squirm into this with their deep understanding of American culture. It’s like those scenes in movies where someone is trying to impersonate an American or a human and is exposed when they commit some gaffe.
They have so little understanding of the idea of women voting that they can’t even sound modern when they try.
pedestrian on October 12, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Ann gets into situations like this because she allows people who are not as intelligent as her do interviews.
csdeven on October 12, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Well, I hope Ann’s utopian vision of a Jew-free American never happens.
Killgore Trout on October 12, 2007 at 5:59 PM
There are three kinds of people in the world;
1)Those who are intelligent enough to understand Ann’s points.
2)Those who understand but hate conservatives so much they twist everything she says and
3) Those too stupid to understand her.
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 6:11 PM
Killgore, which category fits you ? My guess ??? 3.
SIJ6141 on October 12, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Is Israel on the map at that ADC site? My eyesight is a bit poor, so maybe I missed it. I think I see some country called “Palestine”, which I don’t think exists.
I’m sure the ADC are very sincere about opposing anti-semitism though. Just not in their back yard.
Buy Danish on October 12, 2007 at 7:54 PM
I take by that… that you support the Palestinians, i.e. the bombers… the ones that celebrated in the streets on 9/11.
Maxx on October 12, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Amen.
RobertCSampson on October 12, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Sorry to leave you out CS..
Ann gets into situations like this because she allows people who are not as intelligent as her do interviews.
csdeven on October 12, 2007 at 7:44 PM
RobertCSampson on October 12, 2007 at 8:07 PM
Sorry I was trying to cover too much ground, while writing too densely and quick.
1. A creed such as Christianity, must be absolute in its self confidence.
2.Watered Down Christianity caused old line Churches like the Presbyterians of my own up bringing, to dwindle.
3.In reaction, movements in the late sixties, and early seventies, called ‘charismatic’, ‘fundamentalist’,or ‘Born-again’, from both with in and with out, the old mailine churches such as my own, gave rise to the growth in what are now called the Evangelicals which you now see expressed on your TV.
4. Their political power real, or perceived, has threatened,
the secularists.
5. Solidarity with Israel makes it worse. A shared Zionism between Christian and Jew, further threatens the liberal establishment.
6. So how to divide Christian from Jew?
7. If they think they have found an opening (between Christian and Jew) with Anne Coulter’s expression of Christian self-confidence as in her “perfecting” remark, they (the liberal secularists) are deluding them selves.
Anne will just sell more books.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on October 12, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Nyog_of_the_Bog on October 12, 2007 at 8:11 PM
OK… got it, no need to reply to my comment above.
Maxx on October 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM
No. To the contrary. I was projecting the mind of the enemy,
the secular liberals who are threatened by the perceived political power of Evangelicals and the Zionism they shared with the Jews.
I was writing too densely. Sorry for the confusion.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on October 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM
Now that I understand what you were saying, I like your point about how liberals ponder how to divide Christian from Jews. That is indeed a main goal of the LEFT. But of course the LEFT’s goals do not end with driving a wedge between Christians and Jews, but also between all races, religions, age groups, children against parents… in other words, they want to divide everyone against everyone. Then in the chaos that creates is their chance to grab power.
One of the best ways to figure out what the liberals are up to, is to listen to what they are accusing everyone else of doing…. and that is exactly what THEY are doing !
Maxx on October 12, 2007 at 8:27 PM
Given that Jews are about 3 to 1 Democratic, doesn’t that imply that there is already a pretty big opening?
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 8:36 PM
That’s a USA Today map-timeline for the the post-WWII history of ‘Palestine’. The authors are skilled in the art of omission.
deesine on October 12, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Certainly among the Jews, there many secularists, Reform talking societies, Two Stater/Palestinian apologists, Anti-Zionists, Neo-Marxists, (Chomsky) Holocaust deniers etc. I really can’t say how that breaks down along party lines. But I do know that of what remains, there is a strong alliance between Serious Christians and Serious Jews For better and ill, and unfortunately prompted my future terroist events and the rise of very real Anti-Semitism in places like Europe, it is only likely to increase.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on October 12, 2007 at 8:58 PM
I saw this earlier today and wanted to comment on it but didn’t bother what with the War on Loundry occurring over there.
But I do want to say, God help me, I’m on her side with this one. I’ve never like her and still don’t, but she’s being crucified for no good reason, and I’ll defend anyone from manufactured controversy, just like Rush.
Deutsch obviously has nothing but disdain for her from the start. You can practically see him praying for something for him to be all offended over so he can piggyback on the press she’ll get.
Forever on he is Donnie Douche.
The sad thing is those manufacturing the outrage, and by that I mean the Left, don’t understand how they are pushing the Centrists to the Right.
SouthernDem on October 12, 2007 at 9:05 PM
I’m pleased that Allah is fair with Anne on this one. There is a lot of Knee-jerkery going on about this, but not from him.
This Gotcha nonsense that has been going on for the past couple of weeks is almost unbelievable. I wonder what’s next – what will they resort to when Hillary is forced to endure some real scrutiny?
Dork B. on October 12, 2007 at 9:10 PM
I for one firmly believe that this is the just the beginning. It’s almost a year till the election and the rhetoric and Gotcha’s are just beginning. Just wait till Spring, then the real nastiness will begin.
SouthernDem on October 12, 2007 at 9:13 PM
I’d add to that, he can’t make up his mind whether to continue pretending to be a right-winger or finally drop the charade and come out as the “progressive” he’s really been all along.
As for Donny Douchebag, isn’t anyone else amazed that CNBC allows imbeciles to host their TV shows? The man is a fool, he’s parading that in front of the camera, and CNBC hands him another paycheck.
Kensington on October 12, 2007 at 9:52 PM
Savage is brilliant but he is seething with anger and hatred. It doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum someone is, if someone sets him off, all that negativity is focused on them and he finds a reason to explode. He must have been horribly abused at some point in his life. It’s a shame.
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 10:08 PM
I think Coulter should be criticized not censored. If people were to study the treatment of Jews in the New Testament, the clear anti-Semitism in some of writings of the early Catholic Church, or Luther’s “On the Jews and Their Lies” they might see that tolerance for Jews, historically, hasn’t been a stellar area for Christians. The modern churches deserve credit for rejecting some of their past, but modern Christians aren’t helped by comments like Coulter’s. In this election cycle the Republicans won’t be helped either.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 10:16 PM
A number 3.
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Feel free to support your assertion or to just stick with name calling. I’ll understand either way.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 10:26 PM
The inability to disagree agreeably with our political adversaries is more destructive to our country than many of the ills against which we all rail.
Once you start insulting people you have placed yourself above them. Once you feel superior to someone, you have no reason to treat them with respect.
There are many adults here who seem to stroke their own egos by putting others down. Don’t get me wrong – I enjoy my loudmouths – Coulter, Levin, Savage, Oreilly, et al. But for those of you not getting paid to insult others, you might consider yoga…or medicinal marijuana.
The Race Card on October 12, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Let me see if I can clear this up for those of you not included in my aforementioned category 1. If you were a devout, committed Buddhist, Sufi, Hindu, etc., wouldn’t you think everyone would be better off on that path? Especially if the teachings of your faith encouraged spreading the word? If your answer is no then you are not a devout Buddhist, Sufi, Hindu, etc. and are only giving an answer that you imagine makes you seem enlightened. In fact, your answer and offense at what Ann said shows you to be dense.
Now go watch wrestling on TV.
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 10:30 PM
I would agree. The other serious problem is that we begin to believe that Republicans will always prevail due to the moral and intellectual short-comings of Democrats. Hillary has Bill’s playbook and knows how to look like a centrist.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Your friend hit the nail right on the head. You are stroking your own ego, taking a morally superior, holier then though, I am an enlightened person stance. If you in fact listened to the interview you would have understood Ann’s point that hoping everyone finds Christ is part of being a Christian and you would have understood the interviewers point was to twist anything his guest said to create controversey and make her look bad. I have to take your word that you watched the interview, hence, you are a solid 3.
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Actually, she did agree that Jews are saved. I think a majority of Christians don’t think that, mostly because they haven’t read Romans carefully enough yet.
pedestrian on October 12, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Don’t fool yourself, dedalus, 100% of your thought processes are focused not on reason and logic and truth but on how people will perceive you when you finish speaking.
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 10:44 PM
When people recover from the vapors after reading the MediaMatters distorted transcript and find out what Ann really said, the net result will be recognizing the lefts distortions for what they are. They’re clearly on a nationanwide campaign to lash out at conservatives and eventually it will backfire.
pedestrian on October 12, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Actually, according to Islam, Islam not only succeeds Judaism and Christianity, it precedes both.
Connie on October 12, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Within the realm of theological conversation about who has the best religion, Ann’s comments are fine. However, if you want to assert that American is a Christian nation, and if by implication you are less perfectly American by not being Christian that would seem to be untenable.
Deutsch asks here “What would be different in the fabric of this country?” The video makes it clearer that she is speaking of her vision for a perfect society in the United States–a perfect society that has converted all the Jews. I prefer the “more perfect union” of the Constitution and its “Blessings of Liberty” over religious uniformity to a cause that may or may not pay off in the next life.
Funny, I find that the political conversations on cable TV more and more resemble wrestling with cartoonish exaggerations of virtue and evil among the contenders.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 10:51 PM
Keep working it. Your moral superiority is so evident.
Adios
peacenprosperity on October 12, 2007 at 10:55 PM
Fixed it. ;)
Connie on October 12, 2007 at 10:56 PM
I read the transcript, linked by Allah on the Fox site. Her comments about NYC interracial couples having a chip on their shoulder was kinda bizarre and probably would have gotten play if the comment about Jews converting didn’t trump it.
I heard Coulter on Hannity’s radio show in the past week joking that she was jealous that MediaMatters had focused on Rush and not her. She knows how to sell books and, I guess, sees MediaMatters as unpaid publicity.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 10:57 PM
I’m guessing that you mistake moral superiority for intellectual curiosity. As far as morality I haven’t thought of it much beyond Christ’s “do to others as you would have them do to you”.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 11:04 PM
Connie
The assertion that Islam precedes Judaism is bogus.
The progenitors of both faiths were sired by the same father, Joseph, but different mothers.
This makes Jews and Arabs cousins.
pocomoco on October 12, 2007 at 11:15 PM
My favorite bit was the stuff about how Christianity was the easy way to heaven, with none of those silly rules. It’s like American Express, by gum.
She says that and the “True Smart Conservatives”, totally miss it. It’s at 2:42, right before the controversial stuff. She thinks Christianity is the easy way, the quick way, with no rules. Neato!
Krydor on October 12, 2007 at 11:18 PM
…..said the most intellectually dishonest person commenting here today.
RobertCSampson on October 12, 2007 at 11:22 PM
Oh please. Don’t you think you sound just a wee bit “superior” with that sort of sanctimonious pontificating?
I also take great exception to this:
I just watched David Horowitz try to get very important points across about Islamic-Fascism week, and Alan Colmes spent the whole time whining that he takes offense at the entire concept of “Islamic-fascism”, waah waah waah.
Horowitz was incensed and he was right to be. To suggest that we just be nice and not get outraged over this nonsense is a non-starter, especially when dealing with someone like Alan whose opinions are putting this country on a suicidal course and must be challenged.
Yeah, Horowitz is getting paid. So what? What kind of criteria is that? There are a lot of Colmesys walking around her, but you’re free to pretend to be nice like he does.
Just the Jews? I don’t think they are her number one priority.
Not at all. I lived in NY and I know exactly what she means. There are people whose relationships are more a political statement more than a love affair and they never let you forget it.
Buy Danish on October 12, 2007 at 11:25 PM
(correction)
It was Abraham who sire two sons, Isaac and Ishmael who were the progenitors of the two faiths.
From the Internet:
God’s words to Abraham in Genesis are some 2,500 years older than the creation of Islam.
pocomoco on October 12, 2007 at 11:38 PM
I live in NYC as well. Several of my friends are mixed-race couples, my wife and I are from different races, and I believe Michelle and her husband are also. For someone to walk down the street and infer something about our relationships gets into the realm of mind-reading. If I married my wife to make a political statement, I now have a mortgage and two children in addition to the chip on my shoulder. Why is Coulter single and 46? I wouldn’t begin to guess, but she sounds happy with her social life and I’m glad for her.
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 11:46 PM
dedalus on October 12, 2007 at 11:46 PM
Jeez. Obviously everyone doesn’t marry their wife to make a political statement. Everyone isn’t a hardcore leftist either.
I know one interracial couple in particular where it never even crosses my mind that the wife is black until she makes a point of reminding me, and goes on and on about how they have to live in a “liberal community”. It’s manufactured, just as it is with women who constantly complain about how disadvantaged they are.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 12:01 AM
I missed that gem. I thought you just got through telling The Race Card how wonderful he/she is for wanting peace, love and harmony.
Remember agreeing with this?
Granted AC is not here blogging with us, but that was an unwarranted personal attack, and unlike AC who is a brilliant if not edgy satirist, your comment wasn’t funny so it has no redeeming feature.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 12:06 AM
Agreed, some people are tedious with their “liberal community” correctness. My thing with Coulter was that I don’t find it generally to be that way in NYC where most people I know worry more about the price of real estate than race. Also, I found her reaching back to Seinfeld to support her argument a little bit unusual.
dedalus on October 13, 2007 at 12:11 AM
We know that. Try telling them.
Connie on October 13, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Why was that “unusual”? She’s a satirist and appreciates good humor, and Seinfeld did a great job of describing New Yorkers, and a lot of it was spot on.
I used to get soup from the Soup Nazi! It was the best soup in the world but you had to be prepared to be tortured in order to get it.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Funny that you saw it as an attack. I’m about her age and married in NYC. I was actually envious of her being able to go out every night. My serious point was her ability to look at a couple walking down the street (maybe it was my wife and me) and infer why we are together is no more viable than me speculating about her personal life.
dedalus on October 13, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Actually, it’s a body language interpretation. You also see the same chip-on-the-shoulder from many feminists and blacks. But not all…and not all mixed race couples either.
Connie on October 13, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Very good episode from a very good show. Why it rang a little odd to me was that I wouldn’t use a 10 year-old sitcom to back up a societal observation about the city I live in. It made it sound like she saw interracial couples in the street but didn’t have any first-hand experience with knowing them.
dedalus on October 13, 2007 at 12:22 AM
I’ve seen that on O’Reilly. It reminds me of phrenology.
dedalus on October 13, 2007 at 12:26 AM
She wasn’t “infering why you are together”. I doubt she cares!
She is talking about a hostile vibe.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 12:27 AM
You’re not AC! Anyway, good comedy is timeless and New York hasn’t changed that much in the past 10 years.
Remember what she said about all the mega-churches she goes to where people are so unselfconsciously diverse?
You seem to be very pre-occupied with the fact that you are in an interracial marriage, but I bet that most people don’t even notice. I think Liberals notice more than anyone because they’re so busy counting chits.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 12:35 AM
Actually, this is the first time I’ve typed or spoken those words. AC brought up the possiblity of seeing me on the street and thinking she could see a chip on my shoulder or imagining that I was hoping someone would say something.
dedalus on October 13, 2007 at 12:52 AM
Then it’s agreed, she wasn’t talking about you, she was talking about the other couple in NYC.
;)
geckomon on October 13, 2007 at 1:05 AM
It’s not about you! She is a satirist – if you don’t remember that you’ll never understand her.
Goodnight.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 1:08 AM
Ha ha!
Nite.
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Love a good laugh. Good night Danish. Always fun hearing from you.
dedalus on October 13, 2007 at 1:11 AM
Exactly how I saw it. I actually think these bottom feeder shows would love to have the latest Ann Coulter explosion happen on their show. Good for ratings.
The guy’s transparent.
John on October 13, 2007 at 1:16 AM
Actually, I really hate BOR’s body language garbage. I see it naturally. I don’t need some idiot so-called “expert.”
Connie on October 13, 2007 at 2:33 AM
There is little benefit for any conservative to go on these shows. The whole point of the show is to trap and ensnare. The whole offense is just a pretense. This so called offense would have been laughable 30 or 40 years ago. What’s next? Some conservative says something like, “God’s Word is in the Bible”,,, followed by the offended moron arguing,, “What?? I can’t believe you said that?! I am a Jew, Muslim, whatever and I am outraged and offended!?” or “I think Christians should eat a balanced diet and keep a healthy lifestyle” responded by “What! I am outraged! I am an overweight Jew with a heart condition! I am personally offended! How can you possible believe in a super race! Apologize! Apologize!”
JellyToast on October 13, 2007 at 9:46 AM
like I said in the endlessly long comment thread – she’s says things in jest, with a mild point – Donny’s pushing for ratings
Really pushing
EricPWJohnson on October 13, 2007 at 9:56 AM
In the Jewish faith proselytizing is frowned upon. However, in the Christian faith, just as in the Muslim faith, proselytizing is a basic tenet.
Coulter, in her inimitable fashion, was only stating this to Deutsch, himself a Jew, who told her he was upset by her assertion. Deutsch should know better. And as far as I am aware, The Jewish Anti-Defamation League has said nothing.
So, move on Donny, nothing new here. You’re about 2,007 years behind the times.
pocomoco on October 13, 2007 at 10:03 AM
This is false. While Islam’s standard boilerplate is that Muslims believe the Old and New Testaments, they are forbidden to read them themselves. This is because Mohamed didn’t want them to see how much the Qur’an conflicts with them. So while it is fair to say Christians and Jews follow the same god, you cannot say this about Islam. What Allah told Mohamed conflicts with the Old and New Testament way too much for the claim it is the same god to have any credence.
Buford on October 13, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Buford,
I reference your comment, check out the following web site which expands on your comment.
http://www.therefinersfire.org/ishmael_and_isaac.htm
pocomoco on October 13, 2007 at 10:35 AM
It’s not about you! She is a satirist – if you don’t remember that you’ll never understand her.
Goodnight.
Buy Danish
Satire
Um, ok then. Does that mean Ann overstates the liberal positions in an effort to mock them, or does that mean her persona is a work of satire designed to damage conservatives?
Krydor on October 13, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Wow; what legs.
Doesn’t Donny Douche ever read anything? Is he somehow unaware that his question is already answered? Read a poll if you want to know what kind of women are happiest, what kind of people are the angriest, what groups are the most integrated, what party’s political platforms (if not their practices) are more inclusive and diverse, etc.
Instead he pontificates based on his own pathetic biases and bigotry. Who is he again?
Jaibones on October 13, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Of course Christians believe their religion is the perfect religion. Just like Muslims believe that their religion is perfect like the Jews believe their religion is perfect. Of course those that belive in one want the others to be perfected into theirs. what’s the problem? wars have been fought over this compulsion of religions to perfect the other religion. The difference is how they want to perfect them. Muslims think it is a matter of complusion, Christians think logic and fear of hell. Jews think God’s wrath. The one that scares me the most is Islam the others anyone can ignore if they want.
unseen on October 13, 2007 at 1:40 PM
where has our common sense gone too? PC is killing our thinking process in this country. I’m glad she offended the JEWs. Maybe now people will hear what the muslims are saying also. Because if a Christian can say this what really do Muslims believe? the Jews know from history of what both groups believe. Funny how there are more Jews in christian lands than in Muslim lands. I wonder which religion “perfects” them more?
unseen on October 13, 2007 at 1:43 PM
You may have answered your own question.
CliffHanger on October 13, 2007 at 4:20 PM
I think I’ve figured out where Ann went wrong and couldn’t really understand how to extricate herself from the situation.
She used a Biblical term, “perfected”, when she should have used its closest modern meaning, “fulfilled” or possibly “completed”. Since Ann is not the best at thinking on her feet, she could only think of the Biblical word instead of a more contemporary counterpart.
I apologize if somebody else has already come to this conclusion in one of the two threads on the subject.
angryoldfatman on October 13, 2007 at 4:51 PM
Yeah that guy was provoking her just to get exactly the type of soundbite he got. and Ann was only too willing to give it to him. I bet he was doing a little victory dance in his head when she said that. Oh Ann, why why why? That was really uncomfortable to watch. Of course Christians would like everyone to be ‘saved’, its not a secret, but they generally go about doing it with pamphlets and bake sales, not beheadings and suicide vests…and thats fine with me. People can believe in the purple flying spaghetti monster for all i care as long as they don’t try to force their beliefs on me, or use violence.
Keli on October 13, 2007 at 6:33 PM
The framing of Deutsch’s question is dishonest.
Ali-Bubba on October 13, 2007 at 7:04 PM
None of the above?
Honestly, what is your point, other than that you believe she hurts conservatives?
Buy Danish on October 13, 2007 at 8:57 PM
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