Gary Bauer: Fred’s Christian enough for me
posted at 7:41 pm on October 12, 2007 by Allahpundit
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An effective tribute. This makes two evangelical leaders who have rallied to Fred’s side after Dobson’s rejection; the other was Richard Land. The pointed takeaway:
I hope pro-family, pro-life Christians will continue to keep an open mind about Senator Thompson’s candidacy, even as we work with him to strengthen his stand on some key issues. A Thompson vs. Hillary race would be an easy call for me to make.
By implication, a Giuliani vs. Hillary race would be a tough call for him to make — although this certainly leaves hope that he’d call it the right way. I’m wondering now, has there been even one other evangelical leader to declare Fred beyond the pale the way Dobson has? Suddenly he’s looking a tad isolated in his rejectionism in light of Bauer’s comments, and with numerous other evangelical leaders ready and able to replace him as a prominent voice of the religious right, it may not be as easy for him to issues ultimatums as he think. Exit question: Has Dobson overplayed his hand?
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Yes.
jdawg on October 12, 2007 at 7:47 PM
Possibly, but it would be very easy for him to recover by pointing out Fred’s history.
I’m pretty sure that they will be some others coming out to reject Fred and support Fred. Basically though, they are just individual people as they cannot speak for all Christians.
csdeven on October 12, 2007 at 7:49 PM
Uh yup.
amerpundit on October 12, 2007 at 7:50 PM
Has Dobson overplayed his hand?
Ya think?
see-dubya on October 12, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Dobson carries a lot of weight within his own slice of the pie, but there are a lot of other evangelical christians out there from other flocks. I’d say Fred! is Christian enough for most.
commonsensehoosier on October 12, 2007 at 8:02 PM
I have often wondered if Dobson is being political. Does he really mean what he says or is he trying to intice/force conservatives to stand up like they need to do to win?????
allrsn on October 12, 2007 at 8:02 PM
I’m a evangelical Christian and Fred is my boy. He’s gonna open up a can of good old fashion Southern whoop-ass on Hillary come November 08.
Mojave Mark on October 12, 2007 at 8:08 PM
Well, they may not be Christian enough for James Dobson either. Maybe we’ll get lucky, and he’ll send a “private” email out to Focus On The Family’s entire Address Book and “privately” let us know.
ReubenJCogburn on October 12, 2007 at 8:09 PM
I’m thinking he’s overplayed his demands.
Dusty on October 12, 2007 at 8:10 PM
Fred is good enough for Mark Levin, and me! Dobson can go play preacher if he likes, no one with any sense will listen to him if he keeps this stuff up.
I was always told only God can judge a person’s faith. James Dobson certainly is not God.
Gatordoug on October 12, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Bwahahahaha!!! Fred “what’s a dollar?” Thompson can’t even open a can of whoop-ass on the other republicans. Hillary wouldn’t have to even debate Fred. She’d make mention of Fred’s lobbying efforts on the behalf of scumbags and his involvement in CFR, and his involvement with Libyan terrorists, and Fred’s numbers will hit the ground so fast that Hillary could eat a baby in the middle of Times Square and STILL beat him in a land slide.
csdeven on October 12, 2007 at 8:15 PM
[csdeven on October 12, 2007 at 8:15 PM]
Zzzzzz ….
Dusty on October 12, 2007 at 8:20 PM
Hillary/Thompson is not an easy call to make. Maybe it would have been in the political climate of 2000 or 2004, but not 2008. Not the way Thompson is limping along. He doesn’t remember the details of the Terri Schiavo case. Sorry, but…WTF. I was for Fred! before I was against him, and he can still make me flip flop once more, but dude needs to start really bringin it.
Schweggie on October 12, 2007 at 8:34 PM
“They found me. I don’t know how, but they found me!”
Weight of Glory on October 12, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Dobson wants another George Bush.
This will make him very lonely.
logis on October 12, 2007 at 8:45 PM
At least with this endorsements means Bauer won’t be getting in the race.
This is a good thing.
The only exception to Bauer getting in again is if he replaced Rob Paul.
This would be more good.
Weebork on October 12, 2007 at 8:53 PM
As usual, yes.
Seriously, did Fred run over your dog or something? Lobbying for terrorists? You think that’s gonna stick? “Involved in CFR”?…Dun-dun-duuuuuun! “His involvement with Libyan terrorists”? Like he was on the Lockerbie? Did he plan ops or was he just a financier? Are you blogging from a mental institution? I know Romney is an obvious loser now and it’s pull no punches time for those of you on his staff, but this is just pathetic.
The Apologist on October 12, 2007 at 9:02 PM
After reading about how divided the current supreme court is the chance that the next president could give a huge boost to the conservative majority on the court.
For that reason I have to ask myself what kind of justices would say Rudy or Fred or any of the others place on the court ?
I think that is ultimately why I dont want rudy to be the nominee. Too many of his people from NY who have gone on to the Bush admin have been disappointments. I suspect the same out of judges nominated by rudy.
I think that is something to keep in mind in the coming debates.
William Amos on October 12, 2007 at 9:03 PM
“Run for it Marty!”
The Apologist on October 12, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Because, of course, in his two terms Bush has made all those historic strides for the causes championed by the Religious Right.
/rolls eyes
Dobson should have kept his focus on the family, and not playing kingmaker.
Harpazo on October 12, 2007 at 9:13 PM
Just once I’d like to peruse a Fred thread and NOT see csdeven pop up in the first five posts.
Just once.
wccawa on October 12, 2007 at 9:15 PM
AMEN!
Gatordoug on October 12, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Yeeessssss!
Weight of Glory on October 12, 2007 at 9:42 PM
I think this is the pointed takeaway.
SouthernDem on October 12, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Accomplishments don’t matter. Dobson wants an evangelical Christian.
If the Democrats put up another Carter, Dobson would endorse him.
logis on October 12, 2007 at 9:53 PM
As opposed to Rudy’s history. Or Mitt’s. Or maybe Hillary’s.
edgehead on October 12, 2007 at 10:34 PM
I think AP continues to take the “Christian enough” quote out of context–even though Bryan explained the context quite well–because he simply hates Dobson. Dobson has a right to voice his political opinion without being accused of trying to “play his hand” or be “kingmaker.”
jgapinoy on October 12, 2007 at 10:50 PM
I can’t think of one Conservative Christian that would EVER vote for Hillary. I can think of several I know that will consider not voting at all instead of voting for Rudy because of his stance on abortion. I disagree with them, because I know a President Rudy would be much better than a President Hillary. Abortion is a very important issue to me, but keeping those of us that have already been born alive is pretty important too! If Fred can’t get most of us (more than there are now) fired up to vote for him, and Rudy gets the nomination, it could be an uphill fight to get some of the base out on election day.
Ordinary1 on October 12, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a Christian and he did okay. We need to unite to fight the Clinton Crime family.
Mojave Mark on October 12, 2007 at 11:35 PM
Better yes, I would hold my nose and vote for Rudy, but I would rather not settle for a candidate like him. I do not like him at all frankly. I do not trust men who are such lousy husbands (YES CHARACTER DOES MATTER!)and ESPECIALLY men who sue gunmakers and do not give a damn about the right to own guns. And Rudy would do it again if he thought, if his over-inflated ego told him it would reduce crime.
As far as Fred goes, any Conservative who needs him to be more “exciting” needs to get real frankly! Do they want a leader? or a cheerleader?
Gatordoug on October 12, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Neither Rudy nor Mitt gave legal advice to terrorists. They didn’t lobby for a dictator. They didn’t sponsor McCain/Feingold. They didn’t lobby against US citizens who were victims of asbestos poisoning.
Rudy makes no excuses for his social liberalism and Mitt has a completely heartfelt change of heart on abortion etc.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Waaaaaa!!!
Good gravy! Cry us a river.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Dobson’s hubris got the best of him. I’ve watched his interviews since his statement. He was very defiant and steadfast in his beliefs(which is something to admire) but he took it a bit too far. I think he regrets it now and most of all he regrets that his email was leaked and exposed his true feelings.
Nelsa on October 13, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Why assume Dobson is playing a hand? Dobson considers gay marriage to be immoral and a bad influence on family, and he is absolutely pro-life. He is so concerned about family he founded a group to restore family values
Many on this site are much more liberal than Mr. Dobson. They do not see a moderately liberal candidate to be a threat compared to a hard left wing candidate.
However Mr. Dobson has been documenting horrendous changes in the moral structure of this nation under what is called a conservative Christian President. I personally do not consider Bush to be a conservative Christian because he has broken his oath of office made on the Bible under God to uphold the laws on immigration).
The replacement candidates offered up are soft on the issues Dobson sees in rapid decline.
In many cases the Left has been more successful by using incrementalism for instance to trash up television to the point all the 4 letter words are sung on South Park, reality shows present people copulating (apparently) with blurred out bosoms and bums, openly gay men lead children’s programs, Stations issue disclaimers before Christian programming as if it was filth but no disclaimers before sex loaded or anti Christian programming as if that was ok. This was all under the current sort of conservative Christian President Bush who is another social softie.
Dobson has lost trust in the soft liners. He publically presents the possibility that a hard left candidate might not be able to go as far as a stealth softie in slipping things past the public.
He may be wrong but he has a right to his opinion. He has a right not to trust people who betrayed his trust.
Gary Bauer stated his position without calling Dobson names. I doubt that Bauer even holds bad feelings for Dobson as he is also a man of prayer
entagor on October 13, 2007 at 12:48 AM
IOW, they changed his programming. New campaign, new “heartfelt” positions.
I am the new csdeven for Mitt Romney.
Bill C on October 13, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Touche. Good call on that one.
Texas Nick 77 on October 13, 2007 at 5:23 AM
What does that have to do with the poor quality of Fred as a candidate? Do you really think attacking me is going to mitigate the fact that Fred lobbied for a dictator, lobbied against victims of asbestos poisoning, pushed through CFR, lobbied for an abortion group, and gave legal advice to terrorists. Perhaps you think Fred can start attacking little old csdeven on the campaign trail and all that will go away?
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 8:12 AM
You know, I had a parrot once, reminded me of, well, ………..
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 11:06 AM
MSM driven firestorm…
One of the things the MSM does is find “spokesmen” for entire segments of the population, who are really just out there speaking their OWN opinion.
Do all Blacks think like Sharpton and Jackson? No, but the MSM makes them out to do so.
Its much easier to write a story with only one viewpoint, than to tell the truth and really dig for the data on what entire groups of people think.
Cindy Sheehan was a Media CREATED problem… Code Pink? Give them no press and they’d go away.
Notice how the antiwar demonstrations have DECREASED in size with the decrease in their media coverage?
Dobson was potrayed as speaking for an entire segment of the voting population, when he is more the symptom, than the cause.
Romeo13 on October 13, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Dobson is a good man, and does many wonderful things for people. He is NOT “the voice of the Christian right”, not even “a” voice of the Christian right. He’s an individual with an audience.
Reagan wasn’t “Christian enough” for many people, Carter was. Keep that in mind.
I have one interest in seeking a President. Will he serve his nation faithfully, and obey his oath of office?
Freelancer on October 13, 2007 at 12:30 PM
What does that have to do with the poor quality of Fred as a candidate?
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 1:28 PM
It has to do with your total lack of substance to support your hatred of Thompson. Just keep repeatiing the same old BS over and again. You sound like a typical Liberal talking head frankly.
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 1:34 PM
Awwwwwwww. Somebody call the Whaaaaaaaaaambulance.
There were zero facts in that load of tripe you just spewed.
Everyone knows that Fred lobbied for a dictator, lobbied against the victims of asbestos poisoning, lobbied for an abortion group. He also is a main architect of the disgusting attack on free speech called McCain/Feingold AND the scumbag gave legal advice to terrorists helping them to avoid justice for 11 years. He lies to pro-life groups by claiming he has “always been with them” when he is really pro-choice. (Which has been proven by a document he signed himself) Then he had the unmitigated GALL to claim that the pro-life group has ALWAYS been with him! What a scumbag liar. Then he claimed that Ronald Reagan changed his speech because of something Fred told him to say. Really Fred? REALLY? Prove that you lying fake! The guy has no class or shame. He’s proud of his man whore reputation. Yeah, real class Fred.
You can whine and complain and call me names all you like, but those are the facts, you cannot refute them or explain them into disappearing.
Until you can do that, which will never be able to, you and your ilk will always attack the messenger instead of deal with the facts.
Bwahahahahaha!!!
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Amen, brother — preach it!
Ali-Bubba on October 13, 2007 at 3:57 PM
Thanks for proving my point
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 4:25 PM
That’s it? I know you are but what am I?
Grow up and find a new hobby besides stalking me you sissy-mary.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Good grief
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 4:57 PM
Fred “what’s a dollar?” Thompson. More proof he is a loser.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 5:11 PM
Apparently, Fred “what’s a dollar?” Thompson didn’t fool anyone except his terrorist enabling staffer Spencer Abraham. Fred did well in the debate because he didn’t ask to take a nap. It’s crystal clear that his wife is the one prodding him.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 5:18 PM
Not only does “What’s a dollar?” have to deal with his scummy past, he has to somehow overcome the better conservative bona fides that this candidate has.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Ann Coulter thinks Fred is unfit because he voted to impeach Clinton on only TWO counts? He DID vote to impeach Clinton you know?
Try harder, come on, find anything worthwhile
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 6:16 PM
OH BOY!! An commentary in the London Times, hardly anything worth not supporting Fred in there now is there? The clown who wrote that is obviously biased and, completely irrelevant.
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 6:19 PM
Again! An opinion piece proves nothing about Fred does it?
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 6:21 PM
Point out the lies in the article. Oh, that’s right! You’re one of those who discount any fact from anyone you don’t like so it doesn’t matter what facts are there.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 6:30 PM
Facts? It is an OPINION PIECE! And the FACT is Fred voted YES on two articles of impeachment! Look it up!
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 6:32 PM
The fact is that Fred voted no on the perjury charge. Look it up.
csdeven on October 13, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Fred’s a slimeball. That’s why no-one should give him even a passing glance. He funneled campaign cash to his son. He’s just another corrupt Washington insider who, incapable of dazzling us with his brilliance, is trying to baffle us with his bulls%^*.
Guiliani I disagree with on politics to a large degree.
McCain and Huckabee I disagree with on politics to a much smaller degree.
Romney, Hunter, and Tancredo are mostly in line with my politics.
However, None of these men have the taint of corruption that Fred does. Fred is a corrupt slimeball, he can spout all he wants about southern Christian values, it’s all a farce to get him elected. Fred has no credibility, and everyone should run from him.
BKennedy on October 13, 2007 at 7:20 PM
And he voted YES on the other two
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 7:29 PM
The thing about Fred is that he’s REAL. I’m so sick of hologram candidates and he’s the real deal. Imagine a guy who ONLY serves in the senate twice instead of running over and over and over again. Here’s a guy who does NOT crave power or NEED to be the center of attention. With Fred you have a complete and whole human being who understands that national events dictate that he run. Finally a guy who doesn’t HAVE to be president but WILL become president for the good of all. In this case the times have made the man.
Go Fred.
Mojave Mark on October 13, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Right there with ya!
Gatordoug on October 13, 2007 at 10:53 PM
The only thing REAL about Fred is he’s a REAL good actor.
He’s a radioactive Fraud who, in my book, is no better than Hillary Clinton. Both of them have the taint of Washington-style corruption. Fred’s commitment to federalism is wafer-thin. He never has anything to say except “I’ll get back to you.”
He’s a liar and a fraud, who has done nothing for conservatives and nothing with conservatives. All he offers is a whole lot of talk off a forked tongue.
Satan is REAL too.
BKennedy on October 14, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Hey, what’s the deal with the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban (AKA Lautenberg Gun Ban)?
csdeven on October 14, 2007 at 10:26 AM
1. Ergo Fred = Satan??
2. Define REAL. Does your definition of “real” require some kind of religious faith or dogma to believe in, or can the rest of us touch, smell, photograph or otherwise verify Satan’s reality as well??
3. I can see it now: csdeven / BKennedy plying all-new monikers for Fred, now that the Fred?-style question mark has been deprecated:
SatanFredFraudFred or FrauedSlimeballFredGo Phred!
RD on October 14, 2007 at 1:50 PM
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