Video: Wayne State U hecklers vs Daniel Pipes, take 2
posted at 9:55 am on October 11, 2007 by Bryan
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Anti-Racist Blog has posted a longer clip from Daniel Pipes’ speech at Wayne State University on Monday night. An intensely annoying heckler, Mike Staunch of a group called Anti-Racist Action, accuses Pipes of supporting “Israeli apartheid” and disrupts the proceedings en route to asking one of those leftist questions that’s actually just an unsupported accusation. Staunch also openly supports Palestinian terrorism. This clip shows more of the action that got Staunch booted from the hall in the clip posted yesterday, and you’ll also see a woman attempt grandstanding a little grandstanding of her own. Click on the image to head over and watch the clip.
This kind of rudeness has become almost routine when conservatives and/or anti-jihad intellectuals speak on college campuses. It’s a growing problem. The two encouraging signs that I see in this clip are that this heckler didn’t get away with stealing the forum, and that some in the audience obviously wanted the heckler to go away, and applauded when he was eventually kicked out.
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Sort of like Columbia driving the Minutemen of the stage, but politely applauding an Iranian, lying, murderous despot.
amerpundit on October 11, 2007 at 9:58 AM
Yup. Sort of like that.
Bryan on October 11, 2007 at 10:01 AM
The problem, it seems to me, is not so much that the students involved are rude and ignorant children who have been raised improperly — this is a given.
The problem is that the adults in positions of supervision in these events have little or no interest in controlling the environment with high expectations for a proper presentation and intelligent dialogue. The disrespect from children is a shame, but predictable. The disrespect for the guest from the University is outrageous, and I am outraged.
Jaibones on October 11, 2007 at 10:13 AM
These acts are not confined only to college campuses. These “kids” are getting their cues from the “adults” who disrupted Congressional hearings and the forum at the Heritage Foundation recently.
Brat on October 11, 2007 at 10:18 AM
OT sorta….
Can’t wait….about time someone made it….
http://www.ojerusalemthemovie.com/
Limerick on October 11, 2007 at 10:24 AM
There is something very wrong with our higher education system. Those kids just seem dense.
Zorro on October 11, 2007 at 10:24 AM
It seems like the institution encourages students to profess their ignorant opinions strongly, in favor of encouraging them to learn something first.
Jaibones on October 11, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Michael Barone wrote a good article recently summarizing what’s wrong with American colleges.
JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 10:42 AM
These “adults” are little better than children themselves, in that they refuse to take accept the responsibility of their station. While I, and I’m sure their shrinks, laud their effort to be in touch with their inner child, with respect to their professional responsibilities they are functioning on the level of, “The dog ate homework.” That’s why I’m awaiting my copy of “The Death of the Grown-up [etc],” by Diana West. I was so impressed with Michelle’s two part interview of her, that I immediately ordered it. DO YOUR JOB PEOPLE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!
smellthecoffee on October 11, 2007 at 10:47 AM
I am stunned at how comfortable these thugs are with open displays of anti-semitism. I am reminded of the period just before the Civil War when the inevitable march toward conflict was apparent to all yet unstoppable. I don’t suggest anything so dire as that war but a rekoning is inevitible and in the near offing.
ronsfi on October 11, 2007 at 10:52 AM
yes its called lack of cause and effect .
cause{you act like an a$$}
effect{you get you a$$ kicked}
Mojack420 on October 11, 2007 at 11:03 AM
I had no idea evolution could produce humans so blindingly stupid and narcissistic. Since the bottom line is survival of the fittest … the fit will meet at Wayne State U with the revolutionary evolution tool of the trade, the Louisville Slugger, to put our development back on the straight and narrow.
darwin on October 11, 2007 at 11:04 AM
The guy in the video with the bowtie is the Wayne State Dean of Students. He does nothing about ARA disruptions, and harassment of students. Many times before this incident he was warned about problems with Mike Staunch, and ARA but did nothing. Instead he chalked it all up to free speech, forgetting his responsibility to ensure a safe learning environment.
The school has abdicated its responsibility. It is time for change.
Here is a link to contact the University with your concerns. Scroll down to bottom of page where it lists the DOSO (Dean of Student’s Office) e-mail and phone number:
http://doso.wayne.edu/respect/involved.htm
Remember that Wayne State is a state and federally funded University. We all have a stake in what happens there.
POLAR WIND on October 11, 2007 at 11:09 AM
I’ve had members of Anti-Racist Action at my house and have had the dubious opportunity to extensively converse with them. They are a political street gang. Anti-Racist Action should not taken any more seriously than the Bloods or the Crips or MS-13. I suppose it would be more accurate to compare them to the Brownshirts than these groups, though as a strong believer in Godwin’s Law it’s a little scary for me to make such a move.
I do urge the average reader of the website not to personally argue with members of this gang. It’s like petting a rabid dog. They will resort to violence if they think they can win. Of course, if you’re a tough guy and have friends to watch your back, feel free to engage in whatever serious discussion you’d like with them.
thuja on October 11, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Since the DOSO might just erase the e-mail or ignore the calls, you can contact the Wayne State Board of Governors:
http://bog.wayne.edu/contact.php
Or the President’s office:
http://www.president.wayne.edu/staff.php
Both the Board of Governors and the President’s Office are well aware of problems, but have done nothing. Help hold these people accountable.
/Debbie Dingell, DNC member and wife of U.S. Rep. John (I won’t say Hezbollah is a terrorist group) Dingell is on the Board of Governors. Don’t expect too much action from her.
POLAR WIND on October 11, 2007 at 11:14 AM
FYI, the Anti-Racist Action at Wayne State is not associated with the national Communist anti-Nazi ARA.
ARA at WSU just stole their name.
Here is ARA WSU’s website:
http://struggleforpalestine.blogspot.com/
POLAR WIND on October 11, 2007 at 11:15 AM
Daniel Pipes tends to draw audiences who want to hear what he has to say, and many who also agree with him. The hecklers are there to Make. A. Point.
When he came to VCU, he had police protection the entire time, but Richmond doesn’t have jihadis. The Muslim and leftist students asked the usual questions, stood up and made the usual statements, then left in a grandstanding way, to applause.
This is S.O.P. for a Pipes lecture.
He had a very different reception at the JCC breakfast earlier that day.
Meryl Yourish on October 11, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Jaibones cracks the nut of this problem on the first try: the supposed adults running the U’s in question are almost always the same people “advising” the freakazoids and goading them into “direct action.”
Hippie Advisor: You know, kids, when i was a student radical here back in the 60’s, we torched the Dean’s car to celebrate Tet.
Boomer Echo Baby: wow dude, thats tight. Bush is like, such a total war criminal. What is Tet?
Hippie advisor: yep. just like LBJ.
Boomer Echo: who?
Advisor: never mind. pass the doobage. Tet was a glorious victory for the peasant freedom fighters against the
Halliburton crime family, anyway…
Boomer Echo: awesome, bra. uh…what were we talking about?
And on and on it goes, until two dozen dreadlocked middle class weed-merchant drum circlers with Che T’s and megaphones show up anywhere a conservative comes to speak, and the rest is comedy gold.
Mike D. on October 11, 2007 at 1:10 PM
From SmellTheCoffee:
I am immediately reminded of an incident at one of the universities in California years ago. The students were occupying administration buildings and otherwise breaking civil laws off-campus, entirely with the support of university staff and administration. Into the fray steps then-Governor Ronald Reagan, who roundly excoriated the university admin and staff for indulging unruly and illegal behavior. All I can seem to recall were his final words before storming out of the room: “…and you should damn well know better than that!”
Want to see less childlike stupidity on campus?
1. Fire all lunatic professors who do not educate (e.g., Ward Churchill, that Kevin what’shisname Troofer schmuck), and
2. Expel all students engaged in unruly behavior.
I would never pay for a child’s education at some rest-home for left-wing fruitcake professors whose sustenance is a room full of parrot-headed dunces on a subsidized ego trip.
thejackal on October 11, 2007 at 1:49 PM
You know, I wouldn’t hate English Departments nearly so much if they taught their students how to argue and debate in a public forum. Not only do I not mind that opposing views are expressed, by look at them as an opportunity to expand MY understanding – AS LONG AS IT IS A RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Emotional outburts do not sway me, other than to lower my opinion of the bearer, whereas the same information, delivered logically, would serve to persuade and possibly enlighten.
THIS is what people mean by US education lagging behind other country’s, not just math and (hard, not social) science scores.
dm60462 on October 11, 2007 at 2:23 PM
Nice!
dm60462 on October 11, 2007 at 2:26 PM
Pipes is WAAAAAAAYYYY too weak with these weasels.
He needed to shut down their illigimate pseudo-”logic” fast, scorch the earth of their pretentious drivel with a rhetorical flamethrower, and then knock their silly b.s out of the ballpark with some ju-jitsu debating finesse.
Instead, he meanders and dithers and tries to “reason”.
These types of provocateurs aren’t trying to debate, they’re attempting to intimidate.
Allowing them to state utterly fallacious premises is a waste of everyone’s time.
Wimpy wimpy wimpy.
profitsbeard on October 11, 2007 at 8:31 PM
profitsbeard on October 11, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Dr. Pipes did have some very strong words to say in his lecture. But he wasn’t going to sink to the level of the hecklers insulting him.
Here is a brand new clip from his lecture.
Daniel Pipes at Wayne State University discusses Palestinian society.
POLAR WIND on October 11, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Thanks Limerick for the link to the movie O Jerusalem. I never heard of the book before but now I will search it out.
When I see these types of disruptions to an invited speaker I think of the “Don’t Tase Me Bro” guy. What are we to do about this?
I would also like to add that the following questioner, a young woman, accused Israel of “cutting off power and water” to Palestine. On another, very pro Palestine blog, I commented that the Arabs, flush with oil money, cut power off to Palestine long ago… If the Muslim world wanted to have Palestine as a viable state they would have done it long ago.
Babs on October 12, 2007 at 8:25 AM
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