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Harry Reid must apologize

posted at 11:03 am on October 11, 2007 by Bryan
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Sen. Harry Reid is either a bigot or a fool. He spoke at Brigham Young University yesterday, and Deseret News quotes him as saying the following.

Reid also told reporters the Republican Party has been driven by evangelical Christians for 20 years. “They are the most anti-Christian people I can imagine, the people from the Christian far right.”

“…anti-Christian…” As in “against Christianity itself.” It doesn’t get much plainer than that. In Harry Reid’s world, “the people from the Christian far right” are more anti-Christian than the Communist government in China that persecutes Christians, the atheists who regularly smear Christians and the Muslim governments and jihadists who routinely murder Christians from Sudan to Pakistan. They are less anti-Christian, in Harry Reid’s world, than I am.

Reid’s statement shows nothing but hatred and intolerance for Christians who don’t subscribe to his neo-Rooseveltian political world view. Reid has spent the past week intentionally mischaracterizing Rush Limbaugh’s “phony soldiers” remark (lying through his teeth, in other words, which is hardly a Christian act), and now has the gall to smear millions of Americans who happen to be socially conservative Christians. Sen. Reid is contemptible.

Reid must apologize immediately for smearing millions of Americans by characterizing us as “anti-Christian.”


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Reid must apologize immediately

Good luck with that. Liberals are immune from guilt.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:06 AM

Don’t hold your breath.

Ferris on October 11, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Sen. Harry Reid is either a bigot or a fool

He’s both.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:07 AM

I think we will be waiting a long time for that apology. He is the poster child for term limits.

Brian on October 11, 2007 at 11:08 AM

the atheists who regularly smear Christians

Hey! This is between you and Harry Reid. Keep us out of it!

JayHaw Phrenzie on October 11, 2007 at 11:09 AM

Jeez, turn the other cheek already. You’re starting to sound like a parody of CAIR.

BJ* on October 11, 2007 at 11:10 AM

Harry Reid must apologize

Don’t do it Harry … you’re doing a fine job of alienating people from the *gag* democratic party.

darwin on October 11, 2007 at 11:10 AM

Reid is the worst possibe person to have in his position at this time. His incompetence, his unintelligence, his intolerance, his saying the first thing that comes into his little head, all this can’t be just bad luck. Is there some evil influence controlling him? No one can be that lousy or just plain stupid! And supposedly he’s our Senate leader. We’re on the skids boys, and it’s getting worse as the days go by.

countywolf on October 11, 2007 at 11:12 AM

I forsee an apology “pronto”! There are plenty of Democrat Christians that will take offense to that obvious fear by the Left.
I can hear it now. I was NOT talking about the average Christians in America….BLAH BLAH BLAH

Then again he is so stupid he may try to defend his remarks.. Yea-Thats more likely….

Nelsa on October 11, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Harry Reid is a corrupt, disingenuous, and deceitful liar.

CP on October 11, 2007 at 11:13 AM

the atheists who regularly smear Christians

Hey! This is between you and Harry Reid Allahpundit. Keep us out of it!

JayHaw Phrenzie on October 11, 2007 at 11:09 AM

Fixed it for you.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Thanking Harry Reid for all the swing votes for the republicans

EricPWJohnson on October 11, 2007 at 11:15 AM

Is the nominally Mormon Reid trying to draw a distinction between Christians and Mormons?

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 11:15 AM

I think we need to put his comments in context. Harry Reid is LDS. BYU is an LDS school. People who practice the LDS faith believe that if you aren’t a Saint you aren’t a true Christian. So, to say the Evangelical Right is anti-Christian to an LDS group is singing their song. They feel the exact same way. Harry was in his element. He knew his audience and he spoke to them.

Terri on October 11, 2007 at 11:17 AM

I’m not being a parody of CAIR. They have a relationship with Hamas etc that makes your comparison of me to them inaccurate and very unfair. The fact is, Reid has done this kind of thing repeatedly and ought to be called to account once in a while.

Bryan on October 11, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Jeez, turn the other cheek already. You’re starting to sound like a parody of CAIR.

BJ* on October 11, 2007 at 11:10 AM

my sentiments exactly

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM

“One thing about him is he is balanced, prudent and very easy to work with,” says William Nixon, a Washington lobbyist, former Hill staffer and a local Mormon church elder. “He is the example that the Democratic Party is not going to allow itself to be co-opted by the far left.”

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM

He won’t. He’ll play his Absolute Moral Authority card any moment…

sailingdutchman on October 11, 2007 at 11:20 AM

So, to say the Evangelical Right is anti-Christian to an LDS group is singing their song. They feel the exact same way.

Would be interesting to see Mitt’s reaction.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Reid = Nonfactor ???

Both screeching at Christians for being so un-Christian!

infidel4life on October 11, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Stop taking Harry’s comments ‘out of context’

Ochlan on October 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM

If being anti-Christian means that I am not like Dirty Harry Reid, I’ll proudly wear my yellow “anti-Christian” star and parade through down town Berlin like a lamb to the slaughter.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Knock off the CAIR nonsense, right now. Why do you guys think Reid ought not be held responsible for what comes out of his own mouth?

Bryan on October 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Why do you guys think Reid ought not be held responsible for what comes out of his own mouth?

Bryan on October 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Because Ernesto and BJ are anti-Christian bigots themselves. It makes them feel smarter than you.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:24 AM

The North Korean regime pours molten lead on Christians, they’d be my first pick for most anti-Christian on the planet.

Where was Harry Reid when Al Sharpton slurred Mormons as not being real Christians?

aengus on October 11, 2007 at 11:25 AM

Terri on October 11, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Liar.

csdeven on October 11, 2007 at 11:27 AM

I think Harry Reid said exactly what he meant to say. And those words put him in the corner as Chuckie Schumer when Schumer suggested that Catholics should not be Federal or Supreme court judges.

Mr. Reid and Mr. Schumer should resign. Immediately.

Zorro on October 11, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Where was Harry Reid when Al Sharpton slurred Mormons as not being real Christians?

More than likely cowering in the corner and thanking god he wasn’t living in Missouri.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Sen. Harry Reid is either a bigot or and a fool

there fixed it for you .

Mojack420 on October 11, 2007 at 11:28 AM

This leftist paranoia about the “Christian Right” is getting almost as bad as their paranoia about the “Israel Lobby”. Reid is making himself sound like a conspiracy wacko.

Frankly, I hope he keeps it up. This kind of crap is why the Democrats have lost the formerly “sold south”. Liberal elites forget that there are alot of socially conservative Christians out there who used to vote for Democrats.

forest on October 11, 2007 at 11:29 AM

Liberals are immune from guilt.
Yes, and due to the psychiatric drugs he and his fellow elitists are on they cannot apologize; in true passive aggressive style, he/they blame those who question him/them.

Christine on October 11, 2007 at 11:31 AM

I don’t think the comparisons to Bryan’s post to CAIR are justified.

terryannonline on October 11, 2007 at 11:32 AM

Since Harry Reid was speaking at BYU, and is a Mormon, was he speaking as both a Mormon and a Democrat?

Harry Reid is quoted here which raises the question.

Reid is also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

“I think it is much easier to be a good member of the Church and a Democrat than a good member of the Church and a Republican.”

RDS on October 11, 2007 at 11:36 AM

Terri on October 11, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Harry made those comments to the press some time after his speech, not at BYU. Unless the press is LDS, then your comments are as accurate as Harry Reid’s.

As a resident of Utah, I know a lot of mormon’s, including myself. Not one I know thinks evangelical christians are “anti-christian.” Few, if any, mormons I know in Utah agree with Harry Reid politically.

Jens on October 11, 2007 at 11:38 AM

“I think it is much easier to be a good member of the Church and a Democrat than a good member of the Church and a Republican.”

As a former member of the LDS church, I find Harry Reid saying that to be very offensive. He is not in a position to say such things.

Beyond which, the LDS church as an entity, never takes political sides.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 11:39 AM

“I think it is much easier to be a good member of the Church and a Democrat than a good member of the Church and a Republican.”

What the Hell does that mean exactly? What a bizarre little man.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Reid is an amoral, lying, narcissistic ass and his very presence in such a high government office says volumes about the degree of moral deterioration in this country.

rplat on October 11, 2007 at 11:42 AM

Thanks, Bryan, for this post. I’ve been saying this all along to my friends and on my site.

Reid and Pelosi are the wolves in wolves’ clothing. They hate Christians, democracy, and dissent.

After class, time to get on the phone and ask him why he hates me so much since I’m Roman Catholic.

madmonkphotog on October 11, 2007 at 11:45 AM

Few, if any, mormons I know in Utah agree with Harry Reid politically.

Jens on October 11, 2007 at 11:38 AM

He won with something like 60% of the vote in ‘04, in a state that’s about 65% Mormon. You’d have to assume a large number of Mormons vote for him.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Evil Christianists! He and Sully would make quite a pair.

JimK on October 11, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Since Harry Reid was speaking at BYU, and is a Mormon, was he speaking as both a Mormon and a Democrat?
RDS on October 11, 2007 at 11:36 AM

It sure sounded like he was. But his rhetoric isn’t going to change anybody’s mind. He is at odds with many of the cultural nuances of his church. Most notable his anti-military, anti-patriotic stances.

csdeven on October 11, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Harry Reid has to talk to a member of the Church called a “Stake President” one and year and declare if he is “Honest in his business dealings”, among other things.

I for one would like to know how, Dirty Harry Reid, could live with himself if he had answered that questions in the positive, when it is as plain as the nose on his shriveled up face that he is not.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Bryan, that apology will be contained in the same speech where Reid acknowledges that Rush’s “phony soldier” comment was refering to the likes of Jesse Macbeth.

eeyore on October 11, 2007 at 11:48 AM

What the Hell does that mean exactly? What a bizarre little man.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:40 AM

He has no idea. Harry is an ignorant jagoff who is so removed from regular folk that he doesn’t even think they exist. He surrounds himself with fools just like himself and believes that everyone thinks like he does. I am sure he is genuinely surprised when his remarks about losing the war are rejected by such a large portion of the country.

csdeven on October 11, 2007 at 11:50 AM

There isn’t a ladylike thing I can say about the man with self image issues (”Bush and his macho pen”~Reid reacting to S-CHIP veto)

One has to wonder if the party even communicates. Given that Dobson could theoretically hand the election to the left, is it a good move for Reid to be ticking that particular portion of the voting base off?

Pam on October 11, 2007 at 11:52 AM

LEAVE HARRY ALONE!!!!!!!

Seriously, It’s been as if the GOP got to pick the “rat” leadership. Pelosi is utterly ineffective in the House. Reid goes around cutting down our troops, declaring that whole segments of society hate Christ, etc…. What better living demonstration of the evils of the Democrat Party than this corrupt moron from Nevada?

highhopes on October 11, 2007 at 11:52 AM

hairy reed is a BIGOT…A FOOL…AND THE FACE AND VOICE OF THE democratic party…as a church going Catholic…I wouldn’t accept the apology of a MORON LIKE HIM…

areseaoh on October 11, 2007 at 11:52 AM

He botched the line. “They are the most un-Christian people I can imagine, the people from the Christian far right.” is probably what he meant to say. This is a standard leftist meme.

BohicaTwentyTwo on October 11, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Because Ernesto and BJ are anti-Christian bigots themselves. It makes them feel smarter than you.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:24 AM

no, i just dont feel the need play this tit for tat “oh you said this you need to apologize” cr@p. its a dull, boring, meaningless game. an apology from harry reid wouldn’t mean anything, and everyone knows it. its ok to be mad at him, call him an idiot and feel offended…but if you really think an apology changes anything…you have issues

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Reid lives so near the bottom of the ethical barrel I wonder how he looks himself in the mirror long enough to shave in the mornings.

No trick too dirty, no smear too nasty for Harry Reid.

petefrt on October 11, 2007 at 11:54 AM

no

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 11:54 AM

Yes you are

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Knock off the CAIR nonsense, right now. Why do you guys think Reid ought not be held responsible for what comes out of his own mouth?

Bryan on October 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM

The objection is to the game of being offended by some quote and demanding an apology. He repeated a sentiment often expressed by the left, which is that the values of the far right are extreme and contemptible. Obviously the way to respond to this is to offer a rebuttal (though I’m not sure every single quote like this requires a rebuttal), or simply a pointer back to the last time you provided an argument against this point. No need to claim that an apology is necessary for daring to say something so offensive.

Also, clearly he meant “anti-Christian” as in “un-Christian” as in “I think many of their views and actions are in conflict with the core values of Christianity” rather than “against Christianity.” We may disagree with that, but the interpretation is clear.

tneloms on October 11, 2007 at 12:01 PM

Here we go again. Reid is a Mormon, speaking at a Mormon university. The context is, he was talking in large measure about the contemptible bigotry shown by many evangelicals towards Latter-day Saints. It’s an attitude of exclusion and rancor that’s about as “un-Christian” as you can get. You can see it here in the comments on other threads at HotAir. And for a real foul taste of it, check out this video recently made at an LDS General Conference in Salt Lake, just yards away from the Salt Lake Temple:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ab3SiqCqI0

WasatchMan on October 11, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Would a non-apology, the one Senator Reid would give, better than no apology than all?

I’d rather have the latter.

Besides, he perpetuates a campaign against Rush that is a complete lie, are we to expect decency and honor in other respects?

Weebork on October 11, 2007 at 12:09 PM

I DO think the Senator should be held to account for that insulting and untrue statement – why should he get a pass to speak such nonsense?

So yeah, I wrote him and requested an apology.

Tru2my2 on October 11, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 11:58 AM

oh go cry somewhere else

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 12:09 PM

I think we will be waiting a long time for that apology. He is the poster child for term limits abortion.

Wade on October 11, 2007 at 12:11 PM

Why did Brigham Young University allow this to occur?

Does BYU approve of Reid’s speech?

Has BYU issued a public statement regarding Reid’s views?

ColtsFan on October 11, 2007 at 12:14 PM

He [Reid] is beginning to reach out and form broad coalitions.

Liberal tolerance we all can be proud of.

subbottomfeeder on October 11, 2007 at 12:14 PM

Here we go again. Reid is a Mormon, speaking at a Mormon university. The context is, he was talking in large measure about the contemptible bigotry shown by many evangelicals towards Latter-day Saints. It’s an attitude of exclusion and rancor that’s about as “un-Christian” as you can get. You can see it here in the comments on other threads at HotAir. And for a real foul taste of it, check out this video recently made at an LDS General Conference in Salt Lake, just yards away from the Salt Lake Temple:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ab3SiqCqI0

WasatchMan on October 11, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Thank you.

I should have read the earlier comments first.

ColtsFan on October 11, 2007 at 12:16 PM

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 11:46 AM

You meant less than 10% mormon, right?

I don’t know the sources the site I linked uses. I don’t know if the numbers are accurate. I also don’t necessarily agree with the claim in the opening paragraph.

Jens on October 11, 2007 at 12:17 PM

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Reid ran against an unknown because Gibbons dropped out after basically promising he would run against Reid. Reid has become something he wasn’t before getting into the dem leadership. I doubt he will be re-elected in 2010. Especially if the republicans can put up a better known candidate.

csdeven on October 11, 2007 at 12:19 PM

oh go cry somewhere else

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 12:09 PM

Whatever you’re pissed off at, it’s not God’s fault.

Stop doing drive-by postings in every thread relating to Christianity.

i didnt mean it to be some indicator of my closet bigotry.

ernesto on September 14, 2007 at 11:09 AM

good, leave, we dont need you. take your values test and shove it.

ernesto on October 4, 2007 at 3:09 PM

is it just me, or do all these jesus freaks keep forgetting that damned lesson?

ernesto on September 14, 2007 at 9:46 AM

12 years of catholic school and im a bit bitter, again i apologize

ernesto on September 14, 2007 at 10:07 AM

slickkkkkkkk man, i wish i had that one back when the jesuits were barking at me

ernesto on September 14, 2007 at 10:39 AM

Whatever happend bad in your life; move on already. Take responsibility and stop blaming God for not giving you everything you ever wanted.

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 12:25 PM

its ok to be mad at him, call him an idiot and feel offended…but if you really think an apology changes anything…you have issues

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 11:54 AM

The difference is that even if Reid isn’t sincere in his apology, he will at least watch what he says next time lest he be forced to make an insincere apology again.

Esthier on October 11, 2007 at 12:27 PM

Knock off the CAIR nonsense, right now. Why do you guys think Reid ought not be held responsible for what comes out of his own mouth?

Bryan on October 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM

Bryan is not CAIR. If Bryan was CAIR, it would be Ab’dule and he’d be calling for Harry’s head on a plate or for people to blow themselves up.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 12:30 PM

AAAALLLLUUU-REID-BAAR~!!

(BOOM!!!)

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Why doesn’t anyone talk about Harry Reid’s beliefs? He is a practicing Mormon. But when it is in the context of a Republican like Mitt, now it’s a bad thing.

It has been stated before, but it bears repeating. Democrat = hyprotic.

“Honorable” Senator Reid, please apologize. Please resign.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 11, 2007 at 12:34 PM

They called Jesus the Anti-Christ too.

Matthew 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

apostle53 on October 11, 2007 at 12:39 PM

They are the most anti-Christian people I can imagine

In Reid’s defense, he does have a very poor imagination.

calbear on October 11, 2007 at 12:40 PM

You meant less than 10% mormon, right?
Jens on October 11, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Looked at the site. Not following where you saw 10%.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 12:54 PM

Honestly, there’s nothing that Democrat members of Congress can do anymore that has any shock value left to it.

Having said that, what good would an apology do for anyone? Would an apology really change his opinion? Would an apology cause him to divest himself of his ill-gotten real estate gains? Would an apology cause him to resign?

No…all an apology does is allow him to say that he’s satisfied the complaint against him and he’d be free to continue doing all his illegal crap, along with any legal crap that is just plain bad for the USA.

And really…after all the stuff he’s pulled before, THIS is what gets you upset?

James on October 11, 2007 at 12:54 PM

Reid ran against an unknown because Gibbons dropped out after basically promising he would run against Reid. Reid has become something he wasn’t before getting into the dem leadership. I doubt he will be re-elected in 2010. Especially if the republicans can put up a better known candidate.

I live in NY and didn’t vote for Hillary or Schumer. But I accept that most NY’ers did. Isn’t that why Reid is there?
Too many liberal Jews vote for Schumer and other Jewish candidates because they’re Jewish, to the nation’s detriment. Are Mormons doing the same thing?

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 12:56 PM

Too many liberal Jews vote for Schumer and other Jewish candidates because they’re Jewish, to the nation’s detriment. Are Mormons doing the same thing?

Only an idiot would vote for someone purely based on religion. I don’t care what religion they are, or aren’t. I voted based on the issues… you know.. the things that matter.

Voting based on Religion, clothing style, or what brand of soda they drink is just a wasted vote.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Are Mormons doing the same thing?

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 12:56 PM

No. LDS folks are by and large very conservative. Reid panders to the unions and opposes the Yucca mountain nuke site. In his local politics he knows how to motivate the secular people of Las Vegas (Clark County) to vote for him. What they are seeing from him now is not what they voted for. There are plenty of politicians in Nevada that will take up the union and nuke issues but wont engage in the anti-war, anti-American crap that Reid has just begun doing. For the sake of Nevada, and the country, I pray that this term is his last hurrah.

csdeven on October 11, 2007 at 1:12 PM

the atheists who regularly smear Christians

Oh boo hoo. I’m sure Harry Reid is referring to “values” voters who think it’s their Christian duty to oppose gay marriage. In that case, he’s obviously correct – that’s un-Christian.

A simple reading of the New Testament indicates that Jesus was a socialist lefty. I’m reasonably certain Christ would take Reid’s side on this.

Enrique on October 11, 2007 at 1:12 PM

I agree with everyone who says that harry (he doesn’t even deserve upper case letters) is the worst possible majority leader of the senate. But you have to remember something – he’s a member of the democrat party (they don’t get them either). All we have to do is to keep publicizing his words and actions as loudly and long as we can. He and nancy are our best allies as long as the American electorate knows what they are really up to.

Longhorn Six on October 11, 2007 at 1:14 PM

One thing struck me about this Reid being a “practicing” Mormon and the obvious way that he gets a pass over his faith while Romney is constantly having to defend his Mormanism……

How can Reid be a “practicing” Mormon and stand behind the “rat” agenda which is decidedly against the tenets of his faith? It’s as hypocritical as Teddy Kennedy voting to kill unborn life and then getting indignant when the Roman Catholic Church refuses to serve him the sacrament of communion. Clearly, as defined by his own faith, Reid is the one who is anti-Christian in this argument. Not the only hypocrite in DC by a long shot.

highhopes on October 11, 2007 at 1:14 PM


Reid must apologize immediately for smearing millions of Americans by characterizing us as “anti-Christian.”

But he won’t.

Griz on October 11, 2007 at 1:16 PM

>

You really need to brush up on your theology. Christ doesn’t take sides in such worldly matters. He died for us all without some sort of litmus test that one must drive a hybrid and live a “good life,” as defined by the secular humanists, to recieve salvation.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the left hijacking Christ for their own sordid motives.

highhopes on October 11, 2007 at 1:19 PM

A simple reading of the New Testament indicates that Jesus was a socialist lefty. I’m reasonably certain Christ would take Reid’s side on this.

Enrique on October 11, 2007 at 1:12 PM

You really need to brush up on your theology. Christ doesn’t take sides in such worldly matters. He died for us all without some sort of litmus test that one must drive a hybrid and live a “good life,” as defined by the secular humanists, to recieve salvation.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the left hijacking Christ for their own sordid motives.

highhopes on October 11, 2007 at 1:19 PM

highhopes on October 11, 2007 at 1:19 PM

The objection is to the game of being offended by some quote and demanding an apology…No need to claim that an apology is necessary for daring to say something so offensive.
tneloms on October 11, 2007 at 12:01 PM

I agree with that pretty much. It’s beneficial to air out these things that people say because it reflects what them, etc, but I don’t get this whole idea of running around outraged all the time demanding apologies from people whose words are pretty shallow and worthless anyway.

Besides, who is going to take it? Remember when GR apologized to Michelle on O’Reilly a lot of people said, I’m not going to accept that! So the only purpose is to stir up a sense of outrage; I don’t follow the reasoning behind that.

Spirit of 1776 on October 11, 2007 at 1:23 PM

AAAALLLLUUU-REID-BAAR~!!

(BOOM!!!)

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on October 11, 2007 at 12:31 PM

Lookit!

Mazztek on October 11, 2007 at 1:24 PM

Enrique …

You Muslim?

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 1:25 PM

A simple reading of the New Testament indicates that Jesus was a socialist lefty. I’m reasonably certain Christ would take Reid’s side on this.
Enrique on October 11, 2007 at 1:12 PM

Ah, you have struck on the fundamental error of the left. They try to outsource their morality to the government – let the government tell you what to do, whereas the right holds it to be personally responsible. It is entirely consistent to have an anti-socialist view on government and have a ‘in need? whats mine is yours’ or ‘love thy neighbor as thyself’ attitude in daily life.

Spirit of 1776 on October 11, 2007 at 1:27 PM

The objection is to the game of being offended by some quote and demanding an apology. tneloms on October 11, 2007 at 12:01 PM

I hear that. The better thing to do is to expose him, to gather quotes, or clips, together, and put them all in one place, spread them around the blogosphere, play them over and over, get copies into the hands of churches all over, and then get serious about replacing him. The problem with the “we demand an apology” game, is that once you sign on to it, you’ve lost the ability to refuse to do it as a matter of principle, as opposed to simply refusing to apologize on the merits of the issue at hand, as Rush has done recently. I hate it when Sharpton does it, I hate it when Abe Foxman does it, and I hate when that CAIR mouthpiece does it. They demand apologies, and they get them, because of the cowed posture of the PC’d intellegentsia out there. That’s the dynamic that the “we demand an apology” game is based on, and we shouldn’t have anything to do with that. Plus, once you’ve gotten the apology—since that’s all you asked for, that’s the most you’re going to get. Not a substantive change.

Anyway, Sharpton’s forcing Imus out a job didn’t change anything, and anyone who thinks it did, is deluding himself. The way to deal with Imus would have been to attack the problem of vulgar speech in general–instead of apologizing, he could have been a spearhead behind that effort–a much more sincere (and substantive) demonstration of regret than a mere apology, assuming the contrition he did manifest was real. The reason people want an apology is because whoever said the offensive thing is taken to be speaking for a whole group of people who hold that view–as we assume Ried is doing. That’s understandable. But even if we succeed in hectoring him into making some kind of bogus apology–”I’m sorry you were offended by your misunderstanding of what I was saying”–that group of people for whom he speaks have no regret. So jumping on Ried doesn’t accomplish anything–the idea itself has to be challenged intellectually, in books, in the media, blogs, videos, wherever possible.

Look at what Horowitz is doing with the Academic Bill of Rights. That is what I mean by a substantive reaction to a noxious idea (anti-American propaganda passing as education on college campuses). Let’s say every teacher who got caught on tape saying stupidly anti-American things could be forced to apologize. Their acolytes would rally around them, the apology would be unsatisfactory–nothing would be accomplished. But when Horowitz creates a counter-concept, he forces people to grapple with, or at a minimum to recognize the very existence of an issue that they would rather ignore. Now it comes before congress as a piece of legislation–the counter-concept has reach and legs, beyond anything a mere apology can accomplish. So in this case, Christians would have to join together in significant numbers, and present a characterization of themselves that is different from the one Ried is offering, as well as pointing out the absurdity of his position. At that point, not only is Ried being brought to account, but so are all those for whom we presume he is speaking—the authors of all these paranoid ” the religious right is taking over”books, and the lefty droids who distill their “analyses” into talking points that they parrot around. No one’s talking abouto letting Ried off the hook; there’s just a better way to respond.

smellthecoffee on October 11, 2007 at 1:34 PM

the atheists who regularly smear Christians

Well, you know it’s not like the Christian didn’t start this fight. And anyway, I think right wing Christians and atheist need each other defend against the liberal Christians who would surrender today to Islam if they had the chance.

Sadly, I suspect the majority of atheists would side with the liberal Christians in their cultural treason.

thuja on October 11, 2007 at 1:35 PM

Reid also told reporters the Republican Party has been driven by evangelical Christians for 20 years. “They are the most anti-Christian people I can imagine, the people from the Christian far right.”

Does that even make sense? And they accuse Bush of being a half-wit.

4shoes on October 11, 2007 at 1:36 PM

Next up: Bryan calls for The Goracle to buy a Hummer.

Gawd.

Splashman on October 11, 2007 at 1:36 PM

A simple reading of the New Testament indicates that Jesus was a monarchist.

Laura on October 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM

highhopes on October 11, 2007 at 1:14 PM

Good post…

I am NOT a religious person, but if you say you are, and yet do not follow the dictates of your stated religion, you are a hypocrite at best… if not a flat out liar.

Catholics who are Pro Abortion should be excommunicated… cause thats what Church writings call for, THEY KNOW IT, and yet get a pass (crap, Ghouliani actualy studied to be a Catholic PRIEST).

Reid is constantly doing things against the stated belief structure of his church… and yet does not get called on it…

Kennedys? Catholic…

Hillary? United Methodist… “We oppose the use of late-term abortion known as dilation and extraction (partial-birth abortion) and call for the end of this practice except when the physical life of the mother is in danger and no other medical procedure is available, or in the case of severe fetal anomalies incompatible with life. ”

Obama? don’t even get me started on his Racist Church…

We REALLY need to take a look at candidates religious beleifs, and acts… it really DOES tell us a lot about charcter.

Romeo13 on October 11, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Laura on October 11, 2007 at 1:38 PM

LOL… actualy the Christian God is the ultimate Dictator… heck, he even threw out Satan for not agreeing with him…

Yep… Satan… the first American…

/yep… goin straight ta he11 for dat one…

Romeo13 on October 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM

ot, but … those paleo-rooseveltians, the new dealers; weren’t they the kkk, the bull connors, the maddoxes, etc?

i’m just a little bent out of shape about this. i don’t know if this has always been the rhetorical tact, but i’ve been reading up on the “southern strategy” and i see a lot of the turn of phrase, “racial conservatives”. as if to say that someone may be for limited goverment and private enterprise, but if they don’t want to hang negros, they’re only two thirds conservative and one third progressive. as if to say conversely that the “solid south” was up until “reallignment” only two thirds liberal and one third conservative, and that “reallignment” waas more like a correction with racism finally falling into it’s natural, appropriate box.

i don’t think i buy that. i rather think that, to the extent that any “realligning” happened, the republicans inheerited a couple of progressive racists. that progressive racism, still seen in the allegedly enlightened support for eugenics, is still missing a part of its natural whole.

jummy on October 11, 2007 at 1:48 PM

A simple reading of the New Testament indicates that Jesus was a socialist lefty. I’m reasonably certain Christ would take Reid’s side on this.

Enrique on October 11, 2007 at 1:12 PM

A simple reading mis-reading of the New Testament indicates that Jesus was a socialist lefty.

Christianity affirms private property and Capitalism, and is hostile to any and all flawed versions that teach or imply that “redistribution of wealth” is more in line with humanity’s good nature.

Nonsense.

Christ taught that human nature was fundamentally flawed, and morally evil. Hence, the need for accountability, and “checks and balances” (Constitutional framers quoted the Bible often) in the form of free markets and capitalism because human nature was intrinsically evil.

There can be no utopia or “pie in the sky” socialist dreams here on Earth because Christ and Christianity taught that mankind was evil.

ColtsFan on October 11, 2007 at 1:52 PM

You meant less than 10% mormon, right?
Jens on October 11, 2007 at 12:17 PM

Please excuse me. I must have been having a pre-senior moment. I confused Nevada with Utah. I shouldn’t have drawn any conclusions about the Mormon vote and Reid. Sorry.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 12:25 PM

Dayum! Gregor is putting people on blast.

The Race Card on October 11, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Gregor on October 11, 2007 at 12:25 PM

being conservative doesn’t mean you have to like values voters steering the party.

ernesto on October 11, 2007 at 2:07 PM

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