Coulter: Jews will be “perfected” when they become Christians
posted at 2:53 pm on October 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I’m only linking this because we haven’t had a good Coulter throwdown in the comments lately, and plus it gives me a chance to link Omri Ceren’s eloquent diagnosis of the left’s bed-wetting over it. Breaking news: Christians believe all people ideally should be Christians.
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They’re Christian. They’re tolerant. They defend America, they —
DEUTSCH: Christian — so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?…
COULTER: No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn’t really say that, did you?
COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we’re all sinners —
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued — when you say something absurd like that, there’s no —
COULTER: What’s absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I’m going to go off and try to perfect myself —
COULTER: Well, that’s what the New Testament says.
You all would know better than I but that is, basically, what the New Testament says, isn’t it? She’s not talking about forcible conversion; she’s saying Christians believe the Judeo-Christian tradition is The Way and those who don’t follow the path all the way to the end aren’t quite where they need to be. (There are even Catholic prayers to this effect.) The word “perfected” is dicey insofar as it implies Christians’ superiority to Jews but she’s only referring to doctrinal superiority as far as I can see, which isn’t exactly a bombshell assertion coming from a Christian. Does the left really mean to suggest she thinks it’s Jews, uniquely, who need to be perfected but Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. are all already co-equal with Christians spiritually? I take it she’d say we’re not even on the path at all and thus, unlike Jews, for the moment entirely unperfectable.
Well, no matter. The left’s tolerance brigades see their opportunity and they’re going to take it.
Exit question assurance to our Jewish readers: We atheists love you just the way you are, baby.
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Yeah, basically. I mean we believe that Christ first came to the Jews and that He’s the Messiah they have prophesies about.
If anything, those of us who aren’t Jewish are simply grateful the Messiah didn’t limit Himself to just the Jews.
I can’t speak for her, but I would say that those of other beliefs are simply on a different path. My reading of the Bible shows clearly that anyone who is seeking God in any manner will find God. And that’s really all that matters to most Christians.
If an atheist has decided to completely give up on the search altogether, then clearly that person isn’t on any path, but that’s a separate issue.
Esthier on October 11, 2007 at 6:25 PM
I thought she was getting back into the swing when she took on Silky Pony and Mrs. Silky Pony (Silky Mare?) recently. But she’s starting to have a lot of senior moments. The conservative movement probably will have a long-needed house cleaning if Republicans loose the White House and more Senate seats in the next election. There are plenty of sharper, more thoughtful representatives of conservatives, such as Ms. Malkin and MKH who need to move to the top of the list of right-thinking talking heads.
doufree on October 11, 2007 at 6:26 PM
Of course he’s not an atheist. One cannot be an actual atheist unless incapable of reason. But most people would rather call themselves an “atheist” (believing God doesn’t exist) than an “agnostic” (believing we are incapable of knowing anything about God), because they sound more sure of themselves. Whatever. I enjoy AP’s work, so he can call himself “God” for all I care. Oh wait . . .
Splashman on October 11, 2007 at 6:29 PM
If anyone had the right to be offended it was Ann.
His offense at Christianity was an insult to her and to all Christians.
Jaynie59 on October 11, 2007 at 6:29 PM
Doh………..
doriangrey on October 11, 2007 at 6:31 PM
LE
Hilarious, could you imagine someone who has an Ann Pool? That I would like to see, some fat redneck lying in an Ann Pool full of her memoribilia….books, pictures, calendars, audio books, could you imagine. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I am laughing so hard I am crying, what a thought, an Ann Pool.
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 6:39 PM
Bottom line: if you are offended by Coulter’s words
you are not wise.
you are not aware of the peace of spirit.
you are unaware of what christ consciousness is all about.
you are simply offended, and that is your own problem.
bridgetown on October 11, 2007 at 6:40 PM
The only bumpersticker I ever considered putting on my car read “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven.” As a Christian, I do desire that all people, including Jews, become Christians, but I am under no illusions that doing so will in any way “perfect” them.
Christ is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” all we can do is try to be “Christ-ian” (Christ-like)-and ask His forgiveness when (not if) we fail.
Lancer on October 11, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Does Ann’s statement offend any more that the Jews proclaiming they are Gods chosen people?
Wade on October 11, 2007 at 6:42 PM
I’d like to see Gutfeld dressed like a hillbilly lying in an Ann Pool…he’s so hilarious anyway, he would be the perfect one to do it on youtube.
What a parody of Chris Crocker….
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 6:42 PM
And when Chris Crocker said the line about Britney –
“I could care less if she ever feeds her kids again”
Greg could say, “I could less if she ever eats again….”
LOLOLOLOLOL
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 6:44 PM
ha….Wade @ 6:42
I would imagine that if one believes in God, one would know that all people are chosen by God…chosen to exist at all, that is.
Way too much Ego flying around on this planet, that’s for sure.
bridgetown on October 11, 2007 at 6:44 PM
That’s ignorance talking. God himself “chose” the Jews, by establishing a covenant (agreement) with Abraham. Feel free to argue with God all you want.
Splashman on October 11, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Shouldn’t her picture have an obligatory photoshopped crown o’ thorns?
profitsbeard on October 11, 2007 at 7:04 PM
No, actually, schmuck, it’s humbling to know that God is God.
Drum on October 11, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Oh, indeed — that would be Islam … and secular humanism.
Drum on October 11, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Who’s shoving something down your throat? Are they passing a law against Judaism? Anyone come knocking at your door to make you stop being a Jew?
Or is it just that you don’t want to allow anyone to say that they think their religion is the best religion? You’ll have to be more clear.
jaime on October 11, 2007 at 7:12 PM
I actually saw this interview. What’s the big deal?
SouthernGent on October 11, 2007 at 7:12 PM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone offended by Coulter’s remark read Hebrews 12:22-24 and have any idea to whom the letter was written?
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GT on October 11, 2007 at 7:13 PM
This is the first time I’ve seen someone lose credibility for saying she believes what the Bible says.
shirgall on October 11, 2007 at 7:14 PM
No one can argue with that. What say you Allahpundit?
Wade on October 11, 2007 at 7:16 PM
And ytou believe she sincerely reads the Bible and is a real Christian?
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 7:21 PM
If this statement had come from just about anyone else, I don’t think we’d be hearing about it. Everyone on the planet thinks that their particular religion is the correct and “perfect” one, or else they wouldn’t be a part of it. How come we don’t hear this type of outrage when a muslim says worse things about the Jewish religion?
4shoes on October 11, 2007 at 7:22 PM
I’ll take a stab at that just as soon as you define “sincerely” and “real Christian.”
Drum on October 11, 2007 at 7:22 PM
Come on jummy, if your going to try and “cheese us off” your going to have to do better than that.
Maxx on October 11, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Ah, er, I think I misread your question. Sorry
Christianity does neither, that is, unless God’s unadulterated love for his created beings constitutes placing them on pedestals (which of course it doesn’t).
Drum on October 11, 2007 at 7:26 PM
You could argue that Jesus being a Jew created Christianity and that is what Coulter was stating.
That its a natural progression in some christian circles.
but unless I see some words that she implied a forced conversion then I dont see a problem with stating this belief.
William Amos on October 11, 2007 at 7:31 PM
You must not have met very many southern baptists.
Bradky on October 11, 2007 at 7:33 PM
First of all, Jews have a reputation for being overly concerned about money as it is, without at least two different saying people have to pay rent to be one. The word you’re looking for there is tenet, not tenant. Words mean things; use the right ones. When in doubt using a new word, look it up. Don’t just blindly follow the example of others who don’t know any better. (Unless you’re competing in a beauty pageant.)
Now, let’s follow the logic of the rest of this. If Jews believe that there will be a Messiah at some point in the future, but that he has yet to arrive on the scene, that means that eventually he will come.
But you’re saying that whenever a Jew decides that has finally happened, he transubstantiates into a non-Jew in a blinding flash of logic!
That almost sounds like … being perfected … or something.
The Monster on October 11, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Honestly,,, I am sick of the thought police! I am sick of the whining,, the moaning,, the finger pointing about what people say!! She is not out there cutting people’s heads off and advocating the destruction of the world for crying out loud!! If you are so small that you cannot take it when you discover another human actually believes perfection comes only through their faith,, whatever faith that is,,, GROW UP AND GET A LIFE!!! There are fanatical Islamo Fascists in the world that want to actually blow us back to the stone age,, Marxist calling themselves Democrats are scheming day and night within our own congress to change America into a police state,,, illegals are flooding our nation,,, and on and on and on,,, yet this is a serious topic??? Do not most people believe that their religion or faith is the perfect one??? Is this really that amazing??? Are we to believe a person is a bigot because they do not accept all religions as equal???? If all religions and faiths are equal then none mean anything!! I believe in the bible and guess what,, Jesus said he was the only way to the Father, ” I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.” John 14:6 So,, you are not perfected,, no one is that does not accept Jesus as Lord! ,, according to the Bible! If you don’t like that,, your problem is not with Ann, it is with God!!
JellyToast on October 11, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Nice.
jaime on October 11, 2007 at 7:39 PM
“That’s ignorance talking. God himself “chose” the Jews, by establishing a covenant (agreement) with Abraham”
Let’s keep in mind Abraham couldn’t keep his weenie away from his servant. His first-born became the beginning of this mess.
mustang1 on October 11, 2007 at 7:39 PM
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
NTWR on October 11, 2007 at 7:41 PM
Well, not everybody’s a Dietrich Bonnhoeffer.
Drum on October 11, 2007 at 7:42 PM
JellyToast on October 11, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Nice post, I agree completely.
(no offense… but if you broke your large paragraph into two or three smaller ones in the future, it would be much more easily read and more enjoyable)
Maxx on October 11, 2007 at 7:44 PM
It is extremely clear the host was trying to manufacture a controversy. If you are in favor of freedom of expresion then get behing Ann. If you are more afraid people may use freedom to say something that offends your beliefs then grow up.
Resolute on October 11, 2007 at 7:45 PM
As the only-I’m guessing-Jew turned Christian(11 years) who just returned to Judaism here I think Ann needs to(best Dr. Evil voice) zip it.
Ann needs to remember than Christianity is at its heart, a wayward sect of Judaism.
I used to explain to people why I refused to witness to my Jewish mother-other than her threats to “kill” me if I tried lol,”You don’t knock the home team”.
Btw-my husband is a user friendly Calvinist.
annoyinglittletwerp on October 11, 2007 at 7:45 PM
http://www.etz-chayim.org/articles/gods-covenant.html
It is a matter of interpretation. Here is One…
bridgetown on October 11, 2007 at 7:45 PM
Ask the followers of any of the previous claimed Messiahs. Here’s a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants
Their followers still consider themselves Jewish. Even today supposedly the followers of Sabbatai Zevi, who caused an uproar when he converted to Islam in 1666.
pedestrian on October 11, 2007 at 7:50 PM
I am afraid it’s mostly good lighting and makeup, but yeah… She looks completely nailable in that pic on HotAir.com
ScottMcC on October 11, 2007 at 7:51 PM
The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion.
- John Adams, 2nd US President
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What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
- James Madison
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I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind to filch wealth and power to themselves. They, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
- Thomas Jefferson
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Christ taught Love. Period. That’s the truth.
Coulter is not speaking hatefully here. And to those who think that she is…are they themselves hateful.
bridgetown on October 11, 2007 at 7:52 PM
come ann like we dont have enough problems, sheesh. cant you stick to poking at hildawg.
GREENTURTLE on October 11, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Frankly that claim has always seemed more than a bit over the top to me.
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Apparently………… you missed the memo…
Christians were persecuted horrendously for following the teachings of Jesus, the first 333 years AD of their existence…
I highly recommend…. prescription bifocal reading glasses and reading comprehension classes….. none of which I provide, so I cannot help you.
Mcguyver on October 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Exactly !! When people constantly say they are offended by this or offended by that, I think… who cares ! People need to realize there is no right to NOT be offended. Being offended by someone else’s free speech is something you must be willing to accept if you want to live in a country that has free speech. Otherwise… fly to Cuba, it’s a short trip. I hear they have great health care.
Secondly… only those who are ignorant of basic Christian doctrines could have been offended by what Ann said. It’s not Ann’s fault if you don’t understand basic Christian doctrines, in your ignorance and misunderstanding you will just have to be offended. Too bad.
Maxx on October 11, 2007 at 7:58 PM
It takes a while to read all the opinions expressed herein. My own opinion is that Ann Coulter is free to say what she wishes. She is not urging a fatwah or expressing an untruth; MSNBC and CNN love to quote her, and sales of her book increase every time she is quoted.
IntheNet on October 11, 2007 at 7:58 PM
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
- Voltaire
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 7:59 PM
All this was, was Coulter stating the obvious, but in an un-PC way to sell books.
RightWinged on October 11, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your plane up in the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
- Mahmoud
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 8:02 PM
Idiot.
madmonkphotog on October 11, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Jews are God’s chosen people.
Then you don’t believe the Bible or you have never read it, it’s in there at least a dozen time, in both the Old and the New Testament. Here is a link for the search “chosen ‘and’ people.” Not all of these verses are applicable, but other verses say it using different words. No fact is made more clearly in the Bible.
Maxx on October 11, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Nothing like knowing your Bible to get you into trouble. The Bible also condemns *gasp* homosexuality.
Salvation comes first to the Jews then the Gentiles.
Mojave Mark on October 11, 2007 at 8:09 PM
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 8:02 PM
That was funny. I hope you don’t get banned. I hope I don’t either for saying it.
Maxx on October 11, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Lame. You think that’s going to offend/shock a Christian or a Jew, even if you had your story straight? Try again, dude. Virtually every one of the Jewish/Christian heroes of the Bible had some nasty flaws. King David himself killed an honorable soldier so he could shack up with his wife.
As any honest Christian or Jew will tell you, God can use anyone, no matter how horrible they are, if they are willing to repent. When King David was confronted with his sin, he admitted it and repented. That’s the measure of a real man.
Splashman on October 11, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as they’re personal Savior, really reads the Bible, attends services and are active in their Church.
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 8:12 PM
It still seems over the top to me. If there is a God, why would God play favorites. That would be very petty.
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 8:13 PM
No. This is wrong.
JESUS is the fullfillment of the Law.
Jews are Jews. Period. And they will still be Jews in the future under Messiah.
Christians are allowed to come to know God through the Jews, Christians are not a replacement for the Jews.
VinceP1974 on October 11, 2007 at 8:13 PM
JellyToast on October 11, 2007 at 7:37 PM
Nice post.
Jaynie59 on October 11, 2007 at 8:15 PM
Not play favorites is what your teacher tells you in the third grade. But everyone has favorites, so does God. And since it’s un-Biblical to defend God, if you got a problem with that, take it up with God.
Maxx on October 11, 2007 at 8:17 PM
whoops – as thier personal Savior.
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 8:17 PM
I hope Allahpundit doesn’t think that I meant him! I meant the other Allah. The one that Muslims blow things up for.
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 8:17 PM
I’m losing it – their
AprilOrit on October 11, 2007 at 8:18 PM
And while the Christians and Jews squabbled amongst themselves, and the liberals cried out about the clear and present danger of radical Christianity and ACS, western civilization burned (and Annie laughed all the way to the bank — $CHA-CHING$).
My collie says:
Extinction would certainly be preferrable, if my only other choice is a world filled with nothing but Islam.
NEXT UP: Darwinian truthers claim that they can prove that the mammals took out the dinosaurs by way of Jihadist suicide bombings some 63 million years ago.
CyberCipher on October 11, 2007 at 8:18 PM
I call him, but he doesn’t answer. I keep getting , “The number you have called is no longer in service.”.
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 8:20 PM
Try Rom 11 Then John 3 Then go back to Rom 10 and please do not give the line that everybody is OKAY. READ IT ALL PLEASE
mjkazee on October 11, 2007 at 8:26 PM
Heh! You should try Judaism, we have his cell phone number.
saus on October 11, 2007 at 8:36 PM
I am God.
bridgetown on October 11, 2007 at 8:37 PM
I think this is a bit of projection.
Jaibones on October 11, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Salvation came from the Jews, Christ redefined worship and the commandments, and when He comes again this will all be sorted out.
Hening on October 11, 2007 at 8:38 PM
The soul is in itself a most lovely and perfect image of God.
-St. John of the Cross
bridgetown on October 11, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Nah. I am not insulted, though it always amazes me how people get upset that Christians claim to be correct in their beliefs when these same people claim with certainty that Christianity is incorrect. By doing this, aren’t they guilty of the same thing they are accusing Christians of?
jman on October 11, 2007 at 8:47 PM
I have no problem with Isreal being God’s chosen people. Remember, he blessed Abraham and all of his descendants, because Abraham proved to be faithful. And He seperated them from other peoples of that time and made a nation of them. He didn’t choose them because of any inherent superiority in them. “Choosing” them meant that He would reward Abraham by making his offspring into a people seperated for His purposes, specifically that through Abraham, Messiah would enter the world to reconcile all men to God.
One of the things that seperated the Jews from all the other nations was the Law of Moses. It demands perfection and holiness to a degree that is unattainable by fallen men. That’s why the Jews sacrificed in the Temple, to atone for their sins. In accordance with this Law Jesus sacrificed Himself, and yet never sinned. Because He atoned for my sins without guilt, He can declare me forgiven and share His righteousness with me, so that legally I am no longer bound by the Law of Moses, but am a bondservent to Him. That’s what is meant by “fulfilling the Law.” From a New Testament perspective.
Dork B. on October 11, 2007 at 8:52 PM
How much do the “tenants” of these various religions pay for rent?
Jeff on October 11, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Try living in Louisiana (outside of New Orleans) as a Protestant. I lived for many years in the Omaha area and definitely have seen two different worlds where the Baptists are concerned.
No projection from me.
Bradky on October 11, 2007 at 8:54 PM
God’s promises apply to all who put their faith in Christ. It is not favoritism, it is free choice.
DOes this sound like favoritism?
jman on October 11, 2007 at 9:00 PM
“If they DIDN’T think that way, they’d change their faith.”
That’s one of life’s lesson’s I learned 20 years ago when traveling across the country……..
…..everybody……. believed their particular variety of Christianity was superior than the all the other known-to-them examples (no baloney).
If….. and when…. they changed their mind, they simply moved on (defected) to the next choice.
Now…… there’s a thought….. Change your mind.
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Now…… there’s a thought….. for nobaloney and Defector01, et al……….Change your mind….what a…. what a novel concept.
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And now some closing thoughts for the clueless einstein award of the day:
You are so clueless, even I, am at loss for the punchline.
You have not traveled to many different varieties of Christian churches, who are delighted to hear of Messianic Jews who simply honor every Jewish law that does not interfere with Jesus’s teachings.
Here’s a novel thought…. maybe treat yourself with a visit to both?
Mcguyver on October 11, 2007 at 9:06 PM
The word Christ means Messiah. Do not Jews believe in a coming Messiah (although not Jesus of Nazareth)? So, technically they would consider themselves follower of a Messiah, a Christ, though not Jesus.
When it comes down to it, Ann Coulter is correct. She has the guts to say it, but probably not the wisdom to someone who wouldn’t understand it.
ricelchew on October 11, 2007 at 9:11 PM
Whether you agree with her or not, you really got to hand it to the gal, only she is this good (or bad depending on your POV) at being this outrageous. There is no one else as good as she at trying to make a point but totally making it lost by stating it in a way that’s sure to offend alot of people both intentionally and unintentionally at the same time.
Yakko77 on October 11, 2007 at 9:12 PM
I {heart} Ann Coulter!
Lawrence on October 11, 2007 at 9:17 PM
Micheal Savage suffered an RCI (rectal-cranial inversion) while on the air today. Horrifying.
pc on October 11, 2007 at 9:19 PM
What does she mean by this? Federal Express??
jman on October 11, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Quite frankly anyone taking offense is out of line. She was asked the question and answered truthfully. If someone who is a Christian is asked if we would be all better off if we all were Christian, their truthful answer must be yes, or they don’t actually believe the teachings of Christ. The truth is that, ALL Christians believe this, it is part and parcel of the Christian faith, and you can’t be a Christian and not believe this. Christians have never made a secret about this either. The big difference is that the teachings of Christ don’t support chopping off heads if people don’t convert.
Additionally, the reporter made some really big leaps in logic, like “no Israel.” Just because Jews have converted doesn’t mean you eliminate Israel. At this point it seems he was either completely unaware of the differences between Christianity and Islam or purposely ignoring them.
Buford on October 11, 2007 at 9:20 PM
I think it’s somewhat deliciously apro pros the story also come out today about how Mitt Romney’s starting to rub Evangelicals the right way.
pc on October 11, 2007 at 9:21 PM
A good place for nobaloney and defector01 to check out:
http://rectcraninversion.tripod.com/
Mcguyver on October 11, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Jews and Christians believe in the same Old Testament Messianic prophecies.
Jesus claims and/or claimed to be the Messiah. The people we now know as Christians believe that Jesus is The Christ (The Messiah). Jews do not accept that Jesus is the Messiah, believing that the Messiah is yet to come.
That’s pretty much the crux of it.
Lawrence on October 11, 2007 at 9:23 PM
Ann is an EXPERT at exploiting this little thing called the First Amendmment. I use the term “exploiting” in a positive way. She is wealthy because she is a wordsmith. The left hates her because she is a wordsmith. Meritocracies favor the talented. The new media is a meritocracy. No reason to argue about what she said or fall victim to victimhood.
JEFF_IN_NC on October 11, 2007 at 9:24 PM
The “Federal Express” comment was a reference to the evolution of couriers from UPS to Fed Ex. Fed Ex is vastly superior because it works on a modernized business model (and does not drop every package that weighs more than 30 pounds…)
JEFF_IN_NC on October 11, 2007 at 9:27 PM
How is this News?? This has been Christian doctrine for 2000 years! Read the Gospels and Epistles…they are perfectly clear on the matter! Christ is the only way and hope for mankind.
This is not news……..however, if ‘christians’ start forcing people to become christians, against everything that is taught in the Greek Bible, then you have some news!!
Christ and Christianity are mutually exclusive folks!! And that is logical….Truth versus Untruth and nothing in between…..Bob Dylan, wrote something like that , when he came to Christ in the late 70’s in his classic ‘Precious Angel’…..
You can freely reject this or accept (with all due respect to the debate between Calvinists and Arminians)…..
Good for Ann……
Albertanator on October 11, 2007 at 9:27 PM
But you have to be very careful not to put down Christians with that belief, which is basically impossible.
But you have to be very careful not to put down Jews with that belief, which is basically impossible.
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Life is so much simpler for the Atheist.
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 9:32 PM
God put up with “God’s chosen people” throughout the whole Old Testament. Then he decided it was time for a change because his “chosen people” did not listen to Him. So he sent His only son. Many of the Jews of that day listened and followed Jesus but many did not and they (Pharasees/Sadusees) plotted to kill Jesus. All of this was according to God’s plan. Because according to the old law (Old Testament) the blood of bulls and goats was sufficient to wash away sin. Once Jesus was condemned by the Jews to die on the Cross (also according to God’s plan and not something to blame on the Jews), upon the death of Jesus, there came into being a New Testament (just like a last will and testament of today). We are to live our lives in accordance with the New Testament that followed the death of our saviour, Jesus. I think that is what Ann is offering. Nothing against Jews, but in the human progress of things, they have remained behind things, in the Old Testament and haven’t moved on to the New Testament. Basically, they haven’t acknowledged Jesus as the Christ, when all the prophesies have pointed to him over and over again. They just refuse to accept him and refuse to accept their prophets, rulers and kings. What is it they are waiting for?
If you look at it, do Jews today offer sacrifices of bulls and goats or young lambs as were made in the Old Testament? If not, why not? Look at the Old Testament and what is required. Do the Jews of today follow what the Old Testament tells them to do? Anise, cumin? 10% tithing? Do Jews of today even know what that means? I doubt it. They are smug, thinking they are the “children of God” and they will be taken care of, without even being aware of how God totally abandoned them in the Old Testament, sending them His son, trying to save them.
Neocon Peg on October 11, 2007 at 9:34 PM
Look, if you insist on shouting out “I’m ignorant” every five minutes, nobody’s going to stop you. But nobody’s going to respect or listen to you, either.
Here’s a thought: Maybe learn a little something about a subject before you form an opinion on it.
Splashman on October 11, 2007 at 9:35 PM
Splashman
Amen!
Neocon Peg on October 11, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Were the Roman and Jewish agents of Christ’s crucifixion not acting of their own free will? It would seem that they either 1.) Heard the word of God and decided on execution; or 2.) Were human beings created in the image of God who were compelled to act according to God’s plan. Perhaps there is a third alternative.
dedalus on October 11, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Your attack with an ad hominem argument that isn’t even tailored to the subject at hand is profoundly underwhelming.
Yawn.
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Thanks for the link to Mere Rhetoric, Allah – I agree, it is eloquent.
Dork B. on October 11, 2007 at 9:44 PM
Har dee har har. Obviously you’ve never called, because if you did, here’s the message you’d get: “You’ve ignored and insulted me your entire life, but I still love you enough that I sacrificed my only son for you. If you want me, you know where to find me.”
Splashman on October 11, 2007 at 9:45 PM
Wilma or Betty ?
Ginger or Mary Ann ?
Ann Coulter or Sarah Silverman ?
elgeneralisimo on October 11, 2007 at 9:46 PM
Properly read, the Bible {particuarly the Old Testement} is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
- Issac Asimov
MB4 on October 11, 2007 at 9:47 PM
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