Trouble in Switzerland

posted at 9:21 am on October 10, 2007 by Bryan

One in five Swiss residents was born somewhere else. The indigenous citizens never asked for and weren’t consulted about such a transformation of their society, it just happened thanks to the usual mix of unrestrained immigration and political correctness. All along, Switzerland has remained one of the more difficult countries for an immigrant to become a full-fledged citizen. But a recent effort to relax the standards for attaining citizenship was recently beaten back by the Swiss People’s Party, which rules from the right and is set to win this month’s elections. The Swiss People’s Party (SVP) has become the leading force trying to curb immigration to Switzerland, and has taken to producing political posters that most Americans would probably find distasteful if not obviously racist. Behind all of this is a reasonable fear of the rise of radical Islam in Switzerland; the SVP has campaigned against allowing the building of minarets. And its appeal to preserve Switzerland has made it the most popular party in government.

You need all that background to understand the next two vignettes. The first is the most recent. The Swiss People’s Party was trying to hold a political rally in Bern on Saturday. It didn’t go smoothly.

The Swiss capital of Berne was turned into a battle zone at the weekend when leftwing radicals seized control of the main square outside parliament, routing the main far-right political party two weeks before a general election and catching the Swiss police off guard.

Dozens of protesters were arrested and around two dozen people injured, mostly police officers, as police deployed tear gas, water cannon, and rubber bullets to try to regain control from gangs of highly organised, masked people who turned the small and normally sleepy capital of Switzerland into a scene of devastation.

The clashes on Saturday and the revulsion triggered among mainstream Swiss by the unusual street violence are likely to play into the hands of Christoph Blocher, the tough-talking populist and millionaire industrialist who leads the Swiss People’s Party (SVP), the far-right movement tipped to win the elections later this month following a campaign denounced as overtly racist by a United Nations watchdog.

Mr Blocher called a campaign rally of his party in the capital and some 10,000 of his supporters converged on Berne to march to the capital’s main square in front of parliament.

But the planned rally was hijacked by up to 1,000 masked street fighters who blocked the SVP’s progress, outwitted the police by operating in small groups moving in and out of the crowds, and ransacked the SVP stage and campaign equipment.

The Federal Square, site of a charming Saturday morning flower and vegetable market, resembled a war zone by Saturday night, littered with debris, masonry, shattered glass and torched metal.

The city mayor admitted “impotence” in the face of the riots. The trouble raised questions about the readiness of the Swiss authorities to cope with potential hooliganism at next summer’s Euro 2008 football championship being hosted jointly by Austria and Switzerland.

It calls a great deal more than the viability of a soccer tournament into question. Vigilantism on both sides seems to be on the upswing.

ZURICH — At 1:30 a.m., Antonio da Costa heard a knock at the back entrance of the McDonald’s restaurant where he worked as a janitor after-hours.

He opened the door, he recalled in an interview. There stood two men, each gripping a chain saw. One yanked the cord on his saw, stepped toward da Costa and shouted above the roaring machine: “We don’t need Africans in our country. We’re here to kill you!”

The two masked assailants cornered da Costa and began raking him with the whirring chain-saw blades. They slashed one arm to the bone, nearly sliced off his left thumb and hacked his face, neck and chest, the 37-year-old Angolan said, his voice quavering as he recounted the May 1 attack.

The gruesome assault in a suburb of Zurich — consistently ranked in international surveys as one of the world’s most livable cities — dramatized the surge in racism and xenophobia as Switzerland confronts its most difficult social transformation in modern times. Today, more than one in five people living in Switzerland are foreign-born, the second-highest percentage among countries in Europe.

One of the world’s oldest democracies is at the center of Western Europe’s most divisive political debate: to embrace an increasingly globalized, multicultural society or to retreat into social isolation in an effort to preserve eroding traditional identities.

Mixed in with that very real horror that leads the story is the press’ typical way of framing the issue: Those who oppose unrestrained immigration from societies with no history of democracy are called “racists” and “xenophobes” without ever looking into what they’re actually objecting to or whether they might have a point. For its part, the UN just waltzes in, describes the SVP as racists as the press slings around Nazi analogies, and considers its work done. Politicians aren’t critically examined for the roles they may have played in creating the situation or making it worse. Politicians who favor the situation are likely to frame things in the same way, which will only lead to frustration and more lashing out — on both sides. The possibility of honest dialogue evaporates. The result is likely to be a society in which fewer and fewer actually think that the press is honest or that the politicians will actually do anything useful about the situation that they have created, which will probably lead to yet more vigilante and street violence.

I’m not justifying any of it, on either side. The attack by the men with the chainsaw was brutal, cowardly, wrong and monstrous. What the left-wing rioters are doing rips at the heart of the country’s ability to find a peaceable way out of the mess. So I am observing that if the situation isn’t addressed, it may tear Switzerland apart. Countries across Europe face the same issues that Switzerland is facing, of non-assimilation and increasing intolerance from Islamic radicals thanks to the unrestrained immigration that they all allowed over the past few decades. The next few years and decades will determine what kind of Europe survives the transformation that most of its citizens never asked for.

Some Europeans are awakening to the danger. But are enough?

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Great video, Bryan. Spot on!

Harpazo on October 10, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Traynor’s blog at the Guardian adds this:

Switzerland is an exercise in exceptionalism. Not least among the exceptions is that the hardline anti-foreigner campaign is coming not from a small neo-fascist party on the margins, but from the strongest political force in the country.

Whether or not you agree with the liberal left Guardian’s characterization of the SVP as being “far right,” it is surely Switzerland’s majority party– making it IMHO, centrist. So Switzerland may turn out to be the least likely country in Europe to submit to “foreign” takeover, be it religous, or ethnic.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 9:42 AM

You know, I don’t always agree with this guy and sometimes he sounds a right wanker…but sometimes, just sometimes, I want to HUG him for speaking up.

Hehe..he said “taking the piss”. I love English humor.

tickleddragon on October 10, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Suckers get suckered.

The EU’s motto.

How can you “insult Islam”, when it is a “religion” founded by a terrorstic, slaveholding, pedophile warlord?

Speaking honestly about it is insult enough.

profitsbeard on October 10, 2007 at 9:57 AM

the press’ typical way of framing the issue: Those who oppose unrestrained immigration from societies with no history of democracy are called “racists” and “xenophobes”

Well, it seems clear to me that either you favor unrestrained immigration or you are a chainsaw weilding maniac. Maybe they should set up a debate between a 12-year old and a guy in a hockey mask.

BohicaTwentyTwo on October 10, 2007 at 10:00 AM

Now, there is man that might enjoy reading “America Alone”. Or maybe he already did.

RMR on October 10, 2007 at 10:02 AM

“Today, more than one in five people living in Switzerland are foreign-born, the second-highest percentage among countries in Europe” – but how many of these people were born in France, or Germany, or Monaco? This statistic would presumably also count rock legend Phil Collins, who lives in Switzerland, and was responsible for the emotional masterpiece “Duke” etc

Apeking on October 10, 2007 at 10:04 AM

It sure sounds like we are heading for the big showdown. Good for some, bad for others I guess.

saiga on October 10, 2007 at 10:05 AM

Nice speech in the video. Who dat?

craig on October 10, 2007 at 10:06 AM

Who convinced us it’s wrong to like your culture, and can say “no” to those who would wipe it off the face of the earth?

There is a large mosque that went up in a nearby city. Somehow, all of the homes nearby were purchased by the people that attend that mosque, and no one else is welcome in the mosque or in the neighborhood. Of course, that’s OK, but just imagine trying to keep them out of town our your neighborhood, or your church.

I don’t want a mosque in sight of where I live. It reminds me of the war, 9/11, and the savages that think they have the right to rule the world. The new master race.

Hening on October 10, 2007 at 10:09 AM

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 9:42 AM

Europe has a few interesting stories going on at the moment. I only learned about it last week, but Belgium may actually break up. As of today, it’s been about 120 days since their election and they still have NO government. It’s a week old, but a good article on the entire situation is here.

If Flanders separates this might be a start to ending the EU. In any event, it looks like this European social experiment might be coming to an end soon.

Canadian Infidel on October 10, 2007 at 10:11 AM

Nice speech in the video. Who dat?

craig on October 10, 2007 at 10:06 AM

Pat Condell. British stand-up comedian. He has lots of these types of videos on youtube.

Privatestock on October 10, 2007 at 10:13 AM

It doesn’t matter what the politicians say or do. This is going to end violently and badly all over the world. That is with or without any government. This is why the Crusades happened, and it is going to happen again.

I’m not calling for it, I’m not wanting it, but it is the only end result of this capitulation to all the wants of the Muslims. It is going to end badly because people are going to get fed up of the government ‘representing’ them poorly by continually capitulating to the racist, intolerant, and bigoted ideology of Islam.

ThackerAgency on October 10, 2007 at 10:22 AM

Apeking on October 10, 2007 at 10:04 AM

Interesting comment on this blog re. illegals in Switzerland.

Swiss neutrality has long been an irritation to the open borders Eu governments. The EU has longed to get Switzerland and its strong economic power into the EU as a participant and bring its assets under EU control. Dutch activists who have been relegated to lobbying by proxy thru other nations (since Holland is unable to affect its own destiny on the world stage), have long seen the Swiss non-interest in the EU as problematic. EU globalists, as well as other globalists, know that using immigrants who do not assimilate is one of the best ways to cause change in a foreign country. The EU knows this and its almost terroristic, left wing factions and funded activist groups have long pushed to force illegal immigrants down the Swiss’s throat. Recently, the violent protests of left wing forces caused many Swiss to open their eyes to the realities that they may have to deal with the problems that have blossomed out of control in Britain, Germany and France.

Illegal Immigration causes destabalization. The EU’s goal is to cause this by injecting uneducated, unskilled, entitlement bred illegals into Switzerland. Get them to vote and force Switzerland to join the EU. It is funny how easily illegals are used as pawns and all it takes is a bribe of entitlements, more realistically the promise of free stuff gained without work.

Bravo for Switzerland for taking a stand. After all, they are a sovereign country and have a right to decide their own future and destiny. Same with Norway. Hopefully they can resist the EU and fight back against what will most likely become yet another foreign invasion of their coveted alpine homeland.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 10:24 AM

“Illegal Immigration causes destabalization. The EU’s goal is to cause this by injecting uneducated, unskilled, entitlement bred illegals into Switzerland. Get them to vote and force Switzerland to join the EU. It is funny how easily illegals are used as pawns and all it takes is a bribe of entitlements, more realistically the promise of free stuff gained without work.”

sounds somewhat familiar

GogglesPisano on October 10, 2007 at 10:31 AM

Canadian Infidel on October 10, 2007 at 10:11 is the best site I’ve found for truthful analysis of what is going on in Europe today.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com

I also like this for Europe news, (and other stuff)
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

I think they’re must-reads.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 10:31 AM

This guy’s great. I’ve been listening to him for awhile, and yes the Muslims hate him, go figure.

KCtheKat on October 10, 2007 at 10:33 AM

“My freedom is more important than your faith.”

Tony737 on October 10, 2007 at 10:33 AM

Stuff Ken Livingstone naked in a sack with a hungry badger and dump him in the Thames. Put this guy in charge. Deport all the muzzies back to Allah’s litterbox. Establish a national holiday (P.G. Wodehouse’s birthday) so the Brits can remember who they are. Bulldoze all the mosques and put up statues of the Empress of Blandings.

A start.

thejackal on October 10, 2007 at 10:33 AM

Great vent, I love this guy, he’s always spot on, has a definite way with words.

4shoes on October 10, 2007 at 10:36 AM

Wait…how on earth does the same society that produces Ken Livingstone produce this guy? Oh, my heavens. He stole that speech right out of my brain — how the hell did he do that?!

Jaibones on October 10, 2007 at 10:39 AM

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 9:42 AM

I agree about the “far-right” characterization in the European press. When I see that term I figure whoever they’re referring to is actually about as far right as Arlen Specter.

The press over there is so bad it actually makes ours seem to be unbiased in comparison. I love this last bit:

“One of the world’s oldest democracies is at the center of Western Europe’s most divisive political debate: to embrace an increasingly globalized, multicultural society or to retreat into social isolation in an effort to preserve eroding traditional identities.”
PC reading key: bold=good, italic=bad

Well, anyway, I hope they don’t turn the whole continent into Bosnia, but they appear to be heading that way.

forest on October 10, 2007 at 10:42 AM

That’s why I think the Mark Steyns of this world are dead wrong. He thinks that Europe is going to roll over and play dead as Islamists change the face of their continent. I say it’s been only a little over 60 years since the last bloodbath swept Europe, and that when you push them, Europeans will show that they do, indeed, care about the survival of their way of life.

These incidents are just a small example of what lies ahead. If Europeans think they are backed against the wall, they are going to lash out. And it won’t be just the Islamists who suffer. Unfortunately, innocents will die as well.

They’ve been doing it for centuries.

Meryl Yourish on October 10, 2007 at 10:53 AM

Hahaha…

He said “Bum Rushed”!

csdeven on October 10, 2007 at 11:02 AM

For its part, the UN American left just waltzes in, describes the SVP conservatives as racists as the press slings around Nazi analogies, and considers its work done.

saint kansas on October 10, 2007 at 11:05 AM

That’s why I think the Mark Steyns of this world are dead wrong. He thinks that Europe is going to roll over and play dead as Islamists change the face of their continent. I say it’s been only a little over 60 years since the last bloodbath swept Europe, and that when you push them, Europeans will show that they do, indeed, care about the survival of their way of life.

The Europeans may indeed rise-up. But Steyn is warning them to do so before the illegal aliens who are their health aides push them back down into their wheelchairs.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 11:11 AM

What is the probability that the street thugs were leftist direct action enforcer types from outside of Switzerland?

What is the probability that agents provocateur are at work in Switzerland pretending to be right wing vigilantes?

I have tried to make the point on other threads that if the day ever arrives in the US that Republican, especially conservatives, finally ‘just say no’ to leftist demands, and stick to it, then the left will escalate the confrontation to violence.

I have also made the point on other threads that the Republicans, especially conservatives, won’t fight.

rockhauler on October 10, 2007 at 11:14 AM

http://www.patcondell.net/

You might be surprised what you find.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 11:15 AM

Why is it the only people that seem to be awake to the dangers are ones that you’d swear are actual honest to goodness Racists?

Defector01 on October 10, 2007 at 11:17 AM

For its part, the UN just waltzes in, describes the SVP as racists as the press slings around Nazi analogies, and considers its work done. Politicians aren’t critically examined for the roles they may have played in creating the situation or making it worse.

Brian, Have Allah read this. His marginalization and parodizing of Tancredo sound similar and equally unhelpful. Tancredo would truly stop what is happening in Switzerland over here, but some persist with their witty disregard.

bucktowndusty on October 10, 2007 at 11:18 AM

win the elections later this month following a campaign denounced as overtly racist by a United Nations watchdog.

First, what the UN considered rascism and what the most intelligent, reasonable, rational, balanced human being possible would consider rascism are not in the same ballpark.

Second, the chainsaw story is from the Washington Post foreign (european) correspondant. I will not believe a word of it without extensive filmed documentation to the point of the attack being filmed.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 11:19 AM

I know there are lots of holes in this analogy, but it seems that the same liberals who try so hard to micro-engineer Mother Nature to ensure that not a single amoeba is displaced from its habitat are the same ones who wouldn’t dare suggest that a human nation or culture be protected from devastation.

I’m (sadly) reminded of Fight Club: “I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn’t screw to save its species.”

saint kansas on October 10, 2007 at 11:24 AM

I always wondered how they would handle an honest to goodness civil disobedience.

Now I know.

drjohn on October 10, 2007 at 11:24 AM

The result is likely to be a society in which fewer and fewer actually think that the press is honest or that the politicians will actually do anything useful about the situation that they have created, which will probably lead to yet more vigilante and street violence

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This is the multiculturalism endgame. If we do not get immigration under control in this country then we are inviting it here. We should consider Switzerland the canary in the coalmine. Slow Latin American immigration to a trickle. Allow in only the educated that can contirbute and the rest can only come on a temporary basis to perform manual labor, no chain migration , no family reunification. Pakistanis do it. Philipinos do it, so can
Mexicans.

Theworldisnotenough on October 10, 2007 at 11:25 AM

@Bryan,

I really don’t know what it is with your reporting on European matters, but you’re way off the map here. Again. Examples:

One in five Swiss residents was born somewhere else. The indigenous citizens never asked for and weren’t consulted about such a transformation of their society

Not true. In actual fact, due to a shortage of able young men in the 1950s and 60s to rebuild their ravaged countries, all of Europe started massive immigration programs back then, and the “immigrants” of today are simply descendants and relatives of those who arrived two or three generations earlier. So, yes, the “indigenous citizens” did ask for it, for without the “non-indigenous citizens” there would be no Switzerland as we know it today.

it just happened thanks to the usual mix of unrestrained immigration and political correctness.

This has nothing to do with “unrestrained immigration” or “political correctness”. For one, Switzerland always had the tightest immigration laws, and as they are not members of the EU they’re quite free to refuse anyone entry to the country.

But a recent effort to relax the standards for attaining citizenship was recently beaten back by the Swiss People’s Party, which rules from the right and is set to win this month’s elections. The Swiss People’s Party (SVP) has become the leading force trying to curb immigration to Switzerland

Not true. The SVP does not want to “curb immigration” but, actually, to throw out every non-citizen (in their own words). Mind you, we’re not talking about undocumented workers here, but about legal permanent residents of Switzerland.

Make no mistake – the SVP is openly racist. Recently they had used a campaign billboard that depicted immigrants as “black sheep” who “need to be thrown out of the country” (those were the actual words on the billboard). Imagine if a Republican or Democrat contender has used such a billboard in the US. He’d have to commit seppuku.

Behind all of this is a reasonable fear of the rise of radical Islam in Switzerland

Nothing of that is reasonable, and the purported “fight against radical Islam” is merely a code word in Switzerland, much like “not being anti-Semitic but critical of Israel”. The SVP is not campaigning against Islam but against any foreigner, preferably with darker than lily white skin.

And its appeal to preserve Switzerland has made it the most popular party in government.

Preserve which Switzerland? You mean the Switzerland that immigrants helped build up?

You need all that background to understand the next two vignettes.

That wasn’t “background” but a deliberate attempt at misinformation in order to cast the narrative in a desired format. I’ve already pointed it out in the past – you and your Hot Air colleagues are deeply mistaken in applying the US narrative of “fighting against Islam” and “curbing illegal immigration” on Europe. The European discourse on the conservative right is not dominated by Steyns and Hewitts and Limbaughs, but by ideological descendants of Hitler and Mussolini. The conservative movement in the spirit of libertarian but lawful ideas simply does not exist in Europe. And the SVP is not anti-immigration but anti-foreigners.

Those who oppose unrestrained immigration from societies with no history of democracy are called “racists” and “xenophobes” without ever looking into what they’re actually objecting to or whether they might have a point.

Speaking of democracy – Switzerland introduced womens’ right to vote in 1971. Yes, 1971. In other words, the Turkish immigrants who arrived before 1971 knew a great deal more about democracy, right?

I’m not justifying any of it, on either side.

Actually, that’s exactly what crossed my mind.

Countries across Europe face the same issues that Switzerland is facing, of non-assimilation and increasing intolerance from Islamic radicals thanks to the unrestrained immigration that they all allowed over the past few decades.

You got it backwards. Exhibit A.

The affirmation of CNN and Reuters that anti-foreigner violence in eastern Germany since reunification has been merely “sporadic” or “intermittent” is, moreover, both obviously false and highly misleading. It is false, because xenophobic and racist violence has been a grim feature of everyday life in Germany for many years now, and it is misleading, because this is not only so in the East. According to the official statistics (pdf file in German), what German authorities likewise label as “right-wing” extremists — meaning, as a rule, neo-Nazis and like-minded skinheads — committed some 1047 violent crimes in 2006. Of these, some 484 are identified as being xenophobic in nature and another 43 as anti-Semitic. Because German authorities display a marked tendency not to classify particularly heinous crimes as xenophobic, among other reasons, the real number of racist and xenophobic attacks in Germany is surely higher.

That are the real issues.

The next few years and decades will determine what kind of Europe survives the transformation that most of its citizens never asked for.

Again that insinuation about citizens “not asking for it”. Where did you get that idea from? Reality is that it was the tears and sweat of millions and millions of immigrants who rebuilt and built Europe as you see it today.

Let me tell you what the real issue is. All over Central Europe 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are vital parts of society, making anywhere between 5% and 20% of the population. Yet, in most of these countries they don’t get their shot. Unlike in the US, in Europe you have a vast establishment composed of a white and Christian elite that filters out ambitious immigrants at the lowest levels and prohibits access to power and representation. Take a look at European parliaments. Where are the Obamas? The Gonzalez? The Rices? There are none, because they don’t get their chance. Millions of European immigrants who are not Muslim, and who got advanced degrees and a hunger for participation are shut out of the system – because of their name, their skin color, their accent.

Unlike in the US, in Europe discrimination is real.

I must say that was one of the most unhelpful articles on Europe that I ever read here. Perhaps you should stay away from making such uninformed comments or Europe, or at least consult with someone who actually spent some time there.

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Thanks JiangxiDad. I already have several Fjordman essays saved as favourites.

I agree with Meryl Yourish completely and believe that Europe is going to undergo a very violent bloodbath, unless I missed the healing white light that swept across the planet marking the next step in human evolution.

Canadian Infidel on October 10, 2007 at 11:30 AM

Didn’t Mark Stein get all pissy because someone suggested that this would happen before Muslims were able to take over the Europe? I do not have the link but I’m sure someone does. The point being that Europeans would lash out violently against Islamification.

Islam taking over Europe hinges on the population just letting it happen. I do not think it is going to get that far. The SVP party is gaining political influence. France elected a man that is promoting French values and even visited George Bush during his campaign. It would seem that if Europe is goiong to go , she won’t go quietly.

Theworldisnotenough on October 10, 2007 at 11:30 AM

The only disagreement I have with this guy is the use of the terms “radical islam” and “islamo fascist”. Fifteen hundred years of history, analysis of islamic cultures and a close reading of the koran clearly illustrate what we are fighting is islam, plain and simple. The only “peaceful” or “moderate” muslims are the ones in the process of being westernized and yet they still defend islam.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 11:31 AM

The only disagreement I have with this guy is the use of the terms “radical islam” and “islamo fascist”. Fifteen hundred years of history, analysis of islamic cultures and a close reading of the koran clearly illustrate what we are fighting is islam, plain and simple. The only “peaceful” or “moderate” muslims are the ones in the process of being westernized and yet they still defend islam.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 11:31 AM

If Europeans think they are backed against the wall, they are going to lash out. And it won’t be just the Islamists who suffer. Unfortunately, innocents will die as well.

They’ve been doing it for centuries.

Meryl Yourish on October 10, 2007 at 10:53 AM

Actually, Europeans have a long history of making alliances with thugs to help their crimes. In this case Europeans might actually team up with Islamofascists. Exhibit B.

In addition, while as Schaeuble put it, Ahmadinejad can “naturally… come to the matches,” Ahmadinejad’s German supporters will be prevented from demonstrating their support for him. Indeed, in spite of Germany’s problems with its large and increasingly radical Muslim minority, Iran’s radical Muslim leader enjoys a considerable support base among white Germans. Germany’s fascist NPD party enthusiastically supports Ahmadinejad and the Teheran regime for their Holocaust denial and their calls for Israel’s destruction. Last month NPD’s office in Leipzig announced its members’ intention to rally in support of Iran during Iran’s game against Angola scheduled to take place in Leipzig on June 21.

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 11:45 AM

This is the multiculturalism endgame. If we do not get immigration under control in this country then we are inviting it here

What I worry about and hear no one, even Mark Steyn, talking about, is where do we think all these lazy, spoiled, arrogant, postmodern, socialist, weak, pathetic white europeans will want to go when their continent is totally under the control of islam?
They will be coming here, will not have learned their lesson, and will hasten the disappearance of the greatest, most successful social and political experiment the planet has ever known. The heck with the poor mexicans, we have to protect ourselves from the pathetic europeans.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 11:47 AM

The result is likely to be a society in which fewer and fewer actually think that the press is honest or that the politicians will actually do anything useful about the situation that they have created, which will probably lead to yet more vigilante and street violence.

That is starting to sound like us. The way things are going with the drive-by media and our federal, state and local governments picking and choosing which laws to enforce and not enforce, and all this PC crap, the same thing will happen here.

It is slowly but apparently becoming accepted that leftists/stalinists will slowly continue to use violence and vandalism when they are getting away with it. With the msm either spinning it away or choosing not report it at all only encourages this.

Add the very organized and determined effort to silence conservatism by any means possible and you can see the end result…if it is successful.

Hope I’m wrong but unless certain things change for the better I can see us going down the same road and it won’ be pretty.

FireFly on October 10, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Niko,

I’m a little confused by your post above. Was Switzerland ravaged during WWII? It’s my understanding that Switzerland was one of the the few European countries to not be ravaged in WWII.

I’m kind of curious about democracy in Turkey in 1971 too. Wasn’t there a coup that year? Are you saying that Switzerland should have looked up to Turkey as a good examle of democracy in 1971?

forest on October 10, 2007 at 11:53 AM

What I worry about and hear no one, even Mark Steyn, talking about, is where do we think all these lazy, spoiled, arrogant, postmodern, socialist, weak, pathetic white europeans will want to go when their continent is totally under the control of islam?
They will be coming here, will not have learned their lesson, and will hasten the disappearance of the greatest, most successful social and political experiment the planet has ever known. The heck with the poor mexicans, we have to protect ourselves from the pathetic europeans.

Nah, they will convert. It is the easy way out and then they can go back to there status quo. Since the Islam does not allow desent and will bust up anyone who is criticaly they will fit right in. Also since the Islam will control all aspect of life and that is what they want, government contol it fits. Also any one who does not sign on will be dhimmi and pay more taxes and get the beat down. So I really think that those that you speak of will welcome it. It is no wonder why you see leftist embrace Islam and bash Christianity, Christanity offers nothing to them but the Islam offers all they want, + the faith which I think they can fake.

jharada on October 10, 2007 at 12:06 PM

orest on October 10, 2007 at 11:53 AM

I’m a little confused by your post above. Was Switzerland ravaged during WWII

No, not Switzerland herself, but as a matter of fact Switzerland also experienced a shortage in workers because of what was left of able men after WW2 spread out thinly across Europe, leaving few options for the “indigenous people” (as Bryan calls them) in case they wanted to build.

I’m kind of curious about democracy in Turkey in 1971 too. Wasn’t there a coup that year? Are you saying that Switzerland should have looked up to Turkey as a good examle of democracy in 1971?

That’s beside the point. Bryan alleged,

unrestrained immigration [to Switzerland] from societies with no history of democracy.

In actual fact, the democratic heritage of Switzerland herself isn’t exactly deep. That’s all I wanted to point out. And fact is is that a great many of Switzerland’s immigrants still remember arriving in the country pre-1971 and discovering that women can’t vote whereas they could in their home country.

The problem here is that Bryan is implying that, somehow, Switzerland’s immigrants are all Muslim from non-democratic countries. In reality, most of Switzerland’s immigrants originate in Southern and Eastern Europe and Turkey.

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 12:08 PM

And fact is is that a great many of Switzerland’s immigrants still remember arriving in the country pre-1971 and discovering that women can’t vote whereas they could in their home country.

Please note the countries these immigrants came from and which of those had free and open elections for any citizens pre 1971. Show your work (not your view).

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 12:13 PM

The Swiss People’s Party (SVP) has become the leading force trying to curb immigration to Switzerland, and has taken to producing political posters that most Americans would probably find distasteful if not obviously racist.

There’s that word again. God forbid the Switzerland should be for the Swiss.

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 12:13 PM

One in five Swiss residents was born somewhere else. The indigenous citizens never asked for and weren’t consulted about such a transformation of their society, it just happened thanks to the usual mix of unrestrained immigration and political correctness.

What the left-wing rioters are doing rips at the heart of the country’s ability to find a peaceable way out of the mess. So I am observing that if the situation isn’t addressed, it may tear Switzerland apart.

All completely avoidable and fixable with a representative government, the citizens of which never allow themselves to become apathetic and are very quick to correct the course of any and all errant representatives.

Pearl S. Buck:
When good people in any country cease their vigilance and struggle, then evil men prevail.

Speakup on October 10, 2007 at 12:15 PM

In addition, while as Schaeuble put it, Ahmadinejad can “naturally… come to the matches,” Ahmadinejad’s German supporters will be prevented from demonstrating their support for him. Indeed, in spite of Germany’s problems with its large and increasingly radical Muslim minority, Iran’s radical Muslim leader enjoys a considerable support base among white Germans. Germany’s fascist NPD party enthusiastically supports Ahmadinejad and the Teheran regime for their Holocaust denial and their calls for Israel’s destruction. Last month NPD’s office in Leipzig announced its members’ intention to rally in support of Iran during Iran’s game against Angola scheduled to take place in Leipzig on June 21.

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 11:45 AM

The NDP has almost no sway in the German public. It has very little representation outside of parts of East Germany, so the JPost is wrong on that one. Did you read Der Spiegel’s interview of Ahmadenijad? They took him to task as best they could.

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 12:20 PM

put a picture up of the campaign poster with the black sheep bryan.

zane on October 10, 2007 at 12:27 PM

This is what you get with your neutrality.
Yes, freedom demands constant vigilance; apathy, complacency and political ‘correctness’ will destroy us all.

Christine on October 10, 2007 at 12:34 PM

Meryl Yourish on October 10, 2007 at 10:53 AM

Meryl, Steyn’s bigger point is that by the time self-respecting Euros get around to a backlash, they’ll be outnumbered dramatically. They don’t have the horses.

As for Niko’s point about European history, you can make up anything you want about Europe, the trust is that they have a long history. Period. But recent history seems to indicate a governing authority in most countries that is pacifist, socialist, and cowardly. Their strongest nationalist voices seem to be relegated to soccer brawls and racist underground groups, forced there by the maddening leftism of the ruling class.

Jaibones on October 10, 2007 at 12:37 PM

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 9:42 AM

Europe has a few interesting stories going on at the moment. I only learned about it last week, but Belgium may actually break up. As of today, it’s been about 120 days since their election and they still have NO government. It’s a week old, but a good article on the entire situation is here.

If Flanders separates this might be a start to ending the EU. In any event, it looks like this European social experiment might be coming to an end soon.

Canadian Infidel on October 10, 2007 at 10:11 AM

The reason for this, I suspect, may be the Flemish frustrations with prior actions by the Belgian government (and the EU).

I don’t think arresting their MPs for conducting interviews on 9/11 helped, either.

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 12:08 PM

I think you’re deliberately oversimplifying or ignoring the refusal to assimilate by Muslims. Whether that’s for the sake of making your argument, or for more nefarious reasons, I don’t know or care to determine.

Question: Are you referring to those lovely youths in Paris who help light up the night sky when you talk of constributors to society? Or those who refuse to work but insist on benefits? Or those who kill family or strangers for whatever reason?

Call “us” racist all you want…it still does not prevent the Truth about “them” from coming to light. Any way you try to slice this is not going to change the fact that Europe is still under attack by outside and inside influences (and I don’t count the SVP…their “black sheep” campaign refers to foreign criminals, not darker-skinned peoples).

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 12:44 PM

I had a friend who came from an Egyptian family but had never been there, tell me that “your culture” i.e. European, should be subservient to his because it had no “foundation”. I was flabbergasted at the non-chalaunt way he just rolled that one off. I dared to disagree and was promptly called a racist. I value my culture highly for the foundations of Liberty it provides mankind. Needless to say we are no longer friends.

ronsfi on October 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM

zane,

go to http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/09/swiss-doublespeak.html#readfurther to read further and see the poster.

you’ll see their campaign is no different than many of our sentiments about foreign criminals here. niko’s being deliberately misleading.

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM

This will be America in the next 10 years. An open border, non assimilation will require local communities to band together for protection. We are witnesses do the seeds of the next world war not nation vs nation but society vs society. It is sad in a way. The unrestrained immigration and destruction of the status quo will give the far left the excat oppisite of what they want. Instead of less racism there will be more. Instead of less intolarance there will be more and instead of sitting around a campfire singing compayah there will be bonfires of houses and buidlings to sign around. a truely sad period in the human experiment especially when a slow steady progression would have given the left what they wanted.

unseen on October 10, 2007 at 12:50 PM

niko’s being deliberately misleading.

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM

+1

KCtheKat on October 10, 2007 at 12:54 PM

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 10:24 AM

Too much diversity = too many cooks in the kitchen.

Connie on October 10, 2007 at 12:59 PM

you’ll see their campaign is no different than many of our sentiments about foreign criminals here. niko’s being deliberately misleading.

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM

Cut the crap. Unlike you I spent more than 30 years living in Europe.

Speaking of Gates of Vienna, that blog and its partner block Brussels Journal are directly associated with Vlaams Belang, an openly racist European party. But don’t take my word for it, here’s what Ayaan Hirsi Ali has to say about them:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is known to be a liberal political critic of Islam in the Netherlands, and to whom Vlaams Belang on different occasions referred to defend its points of view on Islam, called the party “a racist, anti-Semitic, extremist party that is unkind to women and that should be outlawed.”

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, unlike Miss Anthrope, also spent actual time in Europe.

What’s next? Miss Anthrope quoting from the Klan’s homepage when it comes to illegal immigration in the US?

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 1:00 PM

KCtheKat on October 10, 2007 at 12:54 PM

I invite you to stay here at my home and expand your view of actual Europe.

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 1:01 PM

Rumpel Islamstiltskin is thy name.

MB4 on October 10, 2007 at 1:04 PM

Oh, and congratulations, Bryan. The comments by Miss_Anthrope and KCtheKat are a direct result of US bloggers’ efforts to misonstrue the matter by blindly believing every crap they hear from “anti-Islamist” European racists. Obviously, none of you spent any time in Europe, but you feel free to associate yourselves with openly fascist European parties.

No wonder that European dictators and thugs of the last century had such an easy game, what with all the cheerleading from across the pond …

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 1:07 PM

vigilantism: noun Newspeak for defending one’s family and country when the government has failed to do so.

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 1:10 PM

No wonder that European dictators and thugs of the last century had such an easy game, what with all the cheerleading from across the pond …

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 1:07 PM

Which history books is that in?

MB4 on October 10, 2007 at 1:11 PM

Niko, you know nothing of me…and proved it with your ad hominem attacks. *yawn* “Next!”

If you think I blindly follow, whatever. No matter to me. I know myself and my mind well enough not to be concerned by your opinion.

You still show your true self, mind, regardless of what you think of us “dumb Yanks.” It’s become all too clear from “this side” of the pond…

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 1:15 PM

Niko on October 10, 2007 at 1:01 PM

dont worry, i know what you mean, im a brit. There are many of our racist nationaist parties that seek to ingratiate themselves with right wing americans, by lying about their extremeism. Luckily in most cases the americans i know can spot a nazi from a mile off.

zane on October 10, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Please notice how Ian Traynor, the writer at The Guardian, always refers to the right as the “far-right” but refers to the left…. the ones that caused the violence as, merely “leftwing.”

Maxx on October 10, 2007 at 1:26 PM

Luckily in most cases the americans i know can spot a nazi from a mile off.

zane on October 10, 2007 at 1:25 PM

Some can also be a mile off in spotting them.

MB4 on October 10, 2007 at 1:30 PM

dont worry, i know what you mean, im a brit.

Do you mean that you’re ethnically English, Irish, Scottish, or Welsh or that you have U.K. citizenship? If you’re the former, how does it feel to know that you’re going to be extinct pretty soon?

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 1:31 PM

I invite you to stay here at my home and expand your view of actual Europe.

My bet is Niko is a expat trust funder.

I have a freind who lives in Belgium. She and most of her freinds are single mothers because the men are all lazy. They think it is their right to go out every night, play soccer on the weekends and pick up their checks from the government. They have no interest in their children. She had a muslim husband who used to slap her around right out in the street and no one would step in to protect her not even the police. She says people don’t get involved in other peoples business. Her and her freinds have given up on finding honorable good men to marry and have no problem sleeping with married men or the boyfreinds of other women because “everybody does it”.

A corrupt and dying continent.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 1:44 PM

WOW, what a great life…who am I to judge?

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 1:47 PM

our racist nationaist parties that seek to ingratiate themselves with right wing americans, by lying about their extremeism. Luckily in most cases the americans i know can spot a nazi from a mile off.

You probably are referring to groups with common sense who are trying to save their countries. The “Americans” who you say can spot a nazi a mile off are probably refferring to George Bush while voting with a knee jerk for the fascists in the democrat party who want to nationalize the oil companies, pharmacuetical companies and all health care. I bet those “Americans” live in Manhattan and wear Che t-shirts.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 1:48 PM

Luckily in most cases the americans i know can spot a nazi from a mile off.

zane on October 10, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Some can also be a mile off in spotting them.

MB4 on October 10, 2007 at 1:30 PM

Are these the same Americans who are so adept at spotting the same in Socialists?

Miss_Anthrope on October 10, 2007 at 1:48 PM

Guess weknow which side of this “debate” the author of this piece is on.

One of the world’s oldest democracies is at the center of Western Europe’s most divisive political debate: to embrace an increasingly globalized, multicultural society or to retreat into social isolation in an effort to preserve eroding traditional identities.

LakeRuins on October 10, 2007 at 2:11 PM

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Just a hunch. I bet your Belgian friend is not living in Flemand, the Dutch speaking northern part of the country which wants independence from Belgium.

In Belgium, the Flemish work and pay taxes, the Walloons receive the subsidies and the Brussels bureaucrats dither while Brussels’ 25% Muslim population seethes.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 2:15 PM

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 2:15 PM

She lives in Oostende

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 2:21 PM

A corrupt and dying continent.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Let’s not gloat. We’re about 10 years behind them. I often wonder who’s worse, the Mexicans or the jihadists. They sound so similar it’s hard to tell.

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 2:31 PM

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Then my hunch was wrong. I stand corrected. She was referring to the Flemish. I am surprised.

JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 2:31 PM

racist: noun, Newspeak for an individual who feels that his country should be populated by its historic ethinicity, i.e. Germany by the Germans, Switzerland by the Swiss.

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 2:33 PM

Let’s not gloat. We’re about 10 years behind them.

I think we have a little longer but agree with your sentiment. People think I’m nuts when I say that we are traveling down the road to totalitarianism or authoritarianism at best. What is mind boggling is not so much how the leftists, post modern moral relativists are out of touch but how many conservatives act like the things that are going on can be reversed in a successful election cycle.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 2:35 PM

http://www.patcondell.net/
You might be surprised what you find. – JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 11:15 AM

Condells entertaining . . . to a point. As an equal opportunity offender, a perfect example would be his views on this video -

What about the jews – as an atheist, he likes the Jews best – oy vey!

heroyalwhyness on October 10, 2007 at 3:03 PM

“Unlike in the US, in Europe discrimination is real.”

Ya got that right. As I’ve said in other threads, German or Swiss is a nationality, you can move to Germany but you can’t *become* German. But you CAN move to America and become American.

Euros call us racists, I know, I lived in Europe for three years and all I ever heard about was how raaaacist Americans are. But in reality, the Euros are racist. On the other hand they have the right to defend their countries from islamists who want to take over … however, they DID invite them.

Read “While Europe Slept” by Bruce Bower, an American lefty who thought it’d be swell to live in socialist Europe and found out that he how wrong he was about the ‘openminded’ Euros and the ‘peaceful’ muslims.

Tony737 on October 10, 2007 at 3:05 PM

Actually, Switzerland has had 20 p.c. of foreigners for as long as I can remember. We have a tradition of immigration. Four national languages. And the SVP has nothing against it. They are campaigning against criminal foreigners. It is a sad fact that foreigners have become several times more criminal then Swiss people these last years (and we don’t have any slums over here).

And I don’t think that most Americans would have found their poster racist if they would have known the facts behind it. To throw out the black sheep (the subject of the poster) is not a racist idea. But it is a pretty efficient idea for leftists to pretend it is. As a matter of facts, our criminal foreigners are hardly black people. If most of them would have been black, no-one would have dared to make that poster, of course. The SVP did it because it was obviously not racist. But of course, the Left tried it nevertheless, with the help of the UN (Doudou Diene) and here we are, with hard core leftists preventing freedom of demonstration in the Swiss capital.

But Swiss people are not fooled. The last poll (out today) shows that the SVP has gained more support since then, gathering now 27.3 p.c. of the people, countrywide, their best score ever.

So please don’t you get fooled.

ajm on October 10, 2007 at 3:23 PM

Euros call us racists, I know, I lived in Europe for three years and all I ever heard about was how raaaacist Americans are

That’s what my belgian friend thought. She also thought there was constant violence in the streets and the police ran around in squads beating people. Her description sounded like nazi Germany. I’ve come to the conclusion that one of the leftists strategies is to create that impression.

It’s funny how they can even do it here in the US, how liberals think most of the country is mired in poverty and oppression. Liberals are so far into themselves that they cannot even see outside themselves to compare what is ral with what they are told.

peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 3:45 PM

niko:

Thanks for the laughs!

(This is not a compliment)

VinceP1974 on October 10, 2007 at 4:04 PM

But Swiss people are not fooled. The last poll (out today) shows that the SVP has gained more support since then, gathering now 27.3 p.c. of the people, countrywide, their best score ever.

So please don’t you get fooled.

ajm on October 10, 2007 at 3:23 PM

There you have it: the real explanation.

PRCalDude on October 10, 2007 at 4:42 PM

I don’t know if anybody saw the well buried NYT article regarding the potential collapse of Belgium (like they were literally not going to have a government and therein there would be no country).

That is, until all political sides decided to band together to put up stricter immigration policies.

The NYT article said that that one piece of legislation may have kept the country of Belgium… a country.

Funny to think though that in this era first world countries can act so pitifully as to be on the brink of disintegration.

PresidenToor on October 10, 2007 at 7:11 PM

HooRah !

oldelpasoan on October 10, 2007 at 8:19 PM

This is just the beginning in Europe. The Europeans have been taken over by the Left, are paying the price, and now the reaction comes. This is going to get violent.

In my opinion many Europeans are not going to go silently into the night of Islamic domination and “Multiculturlism”. This is a very good thing. They are saying they are not going to abandon their nation, their culture, their values to foreign influence, Islam in particular.

The text above sees this resistance to “mulitculturalism” and international infiltration as a bad thing – I see it as an excellent reaction to assault on social groups that want to maintain their cultural identity and protect the soverignty of the nation they belong to.

Watch as this conflict turns first into aggressive criminal behavior and then civil war. A political solution to this “invasion”, orchestrated by the Left, is not possible.

omegaram on October 10, 2007 at 10:25 PM

People, people, people…

I am so impressed. No one fed the troll. Everyone just put that fool in his place. Well done! TrophiesCookies for all the patriots!

urbancenturion on October 10, 2007 at 11:13 PM

An excellent overview: When Heidi Met Mehmet in the Meadow

An essay by Takuan Seiyo, Brussel Journal

ajm on October 14, 2007 at 11:27 AM