Video: O’Reilly leaves Vicente Fox speechless
posted at 9:07 pm on October 9, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Not much here by way of substance, although O’R does momentarily raise the galactic hypocrisy of Mexico’s tough enforcement of its southern border before letting Fox wriggle free. Simply enjoy the spectacle of a consummate politician who’s had his open-borders talking points down cold since the day he first ran for public office having to run through the whole list as O’Reilly keeps after him — and momentarily having to resort to a laugh, or a feeble “that’s my claim,” when he runs out.
My favorite part is when he says border security isn’t true to America’s democratic tradition. Democracy means self-determination, of course. Has this guy seen the polls on that issue?
Say this for Fox as president of Mexico, though: it could have been worse.
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I don’t usually watch O’Reilly, but he did great here. Hats off.
Spirit of 1776 on October 9, 2007 at 9:12 PM
The Rio Grande is now the De-Nile.
Kini on October 9, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Zap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bill.
rplat on October 9, 2007 at 9:16 PM
I thought O’Reilly did a superb job. Fox, who seemed unable to get the Green Room peanuts out of his teeth, came off sounding like an emasculated whiny leftist.
Connie on October 9, 2007 at 9:16 PM
Allah, you missed 2 of the best parts! Fox played Ahmadinejad to kick off the interview, by whining about his introduction. And later O’Reilly raised a point about some Archdiocese being killed in the midst of the massive drug war going on in Mexico. Fox was stunned, had nothing to say, so after a chuckle said “that has not been proven yet”, which you could tell just about made O’Reilly hit the floor with laughter.
RightWinged on October 9, 2007 at 9:17 PM
Yeah, the intro part wasn’t that good but the archbishop thing was kind of funny. Maybe I’ll cut that.
Allahpundit on October 9, 2007 at 9:18 PM
I understand why anyone born in that SH*#hole would want to leave.
Explain to me how Mexico continues to be a third world country.
Extra credit for the “America sucks” crowd. Tell me how America’s imperialism has kept Mexico in the 17th century.
When it’s all said and done,,,,,,fences make good neighbors.
Talon on October 9, 2007 at 9:22 PM
The truth is, the more people that leave Mexico to come here and earn US dollars, the less stress on the Socialist-based systems in Mexico and by extension the longer such failed systems can be left in place (securing power for the ruling class).
Mexico is an oil producing country yet it is deeply mired in poverty thanks to a hardy suppression of the development of a middle class by the ruling elites.
I personally believe that we should annex Mexico (oil, large population starving for prosperity) and Canada (90% of the population lives along the border already, plus they have lots of natural gas and forests). Who would be able to stop us? We would expand our natural resources manifold and we would acquire a fully legal very hungry low-end work force.
Neo on October 9, 2007 at 9:22 PM
What a miserable lying POS.Close the damned borders.Now.
bbz123 on October 9, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Did any one but me hear his insipid North American Union talk?
CrimsonFisted on October 9, 2007 at 9:23 PM
Why am I having visions of Geraldo Rivera when I see and hear Fox talking?
They sound so similar…… are they related?
Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 9:26 PM
The preview picture was worth the post.
amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 9:27 PM
The headline here is that he got specific. He called The Minutemen violent and racist. O’Reilly said it…I don’t know they’ve ever done anything violent. All they’ve done is exercise their First Amendment rights (which will be gone soon).
Jim-Rose on October 9, 2007 at 9:28 PM
Fox has the talking points down, all right…he must because nobody could actually believe that crap.
And I cannot for the life of me see how his hypocrisy in the the matter of thousands of Central Americans being shown Mexico’s southern border being different than his countrymen/women swarming our southern border is not apparent to him.
I just don’t get it.
Bob's Kid on October 9, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Fox doesn’t see a border between us. He said on the program that he doesn’t see a problem with Mexicans coming to the US legally or illegally. We are the only ones that are going to fix this problem, de nada Vicente.
d1carter on October 9, 2007 at 9:30 PM
This was good! O’Reilly did some hard hitting statements and questions. Sean Hannity had him on today and interviewed him as well. I just had to turn it off. Sean was being way to friendly with this guy. Sean can be good at times but other times he gets led around to much. I think he may have been trying to be overly respectful or just wanted to be liked by him. It was a little sickening. I would never care to be dazzled, laugh with or be liked by any man that wants to change America as we know it! O’Reilly did great here, though, this Fox guy needs to be hit harder on the immigration laws of Mexico! That should be brought up time and time again! It shows the utter hypocrisy of Mexico’s position! I would ask why they do not allow illegal immigration into their country!! Again and again I would repeat questions about many of their own laws on immigration until the sweat dripped from his mustache!
JellyToast on October 9, 2007 at 9:30 PM
Mexico has just cancelled its participation in the upcoming Olympic Games at Beijing.
Everybody who is able to run, swim, or jump has already left the country.
Ropera on October 9, 2007 at 9:33 PM
The Minuteman…
Did he just call me a racist, violent and a xenophobe?
Please I have been a card carrying member of the Minuteman since April 2005.
You had the ACLU on the border watching us, taking pictures, smoking dope…just waiting for us to put a cap in a illegal’s behind.
Guess what…The Border Patrol members thanked us, made fun of the ACLU, The citizens thanked us and brought us food coffee etc when we were there.
F15Mech on October 9, 2007 at 9:33 PM
Excellent mien fuhrer!
Where shall we build ze gas chambers???
Talon on October 9, 2007 at 9:33 PM
Fox only sees open borders as the best way to export poverty out of Mexico and he will say anything to justify it.
SouthernDem on October 9, 2007 at 9:34 PM
I could express my opinion of the fellatious nature of the Bush-Fox relationship without profanity, but it would still get me banned.
infidel4life on October 9, 2007 at 9:35 PM
Yeah, I like Fox’s Ahmedinejad-style “There are no gays in Iran” lie with his “There are no illegal immigrants from South America in Mexico.” lie.
I’m surprised Mr Bush hasn’t asked Fox to fill a department head spot or head FEMA or something else. After all, that Fox, “he’s a good man, good man!”
Weebork on October 9, 2007 at 9:36 PM
If you change a few words you get:
FoxBush only sees open borders as the best way toexport povertyimport cheap labor out of Mexico and will say anything to justify it.Indeed.
Weebork on October 9, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Jellytoast,
I wouldn’t be surprised if the likes of O’Reilly and Hannity butter up to guys like this (like O’R did to Jesse Jackson last week) so these buttered up guests will return to future shows.
If such is the case, these hosts are paper tigers!
Weebork on October 9, 2007 at 9:45 PM
With a douche like that in charge, no wonder that country is in the crapper.
I expect he’ll be the next Democratic VP.
Hening on October 9, 2007 at 9:45 PM
What is the percentage of Mexico’s population that is foreign-born (as in born outside of Mexico)? Until that number equals that of the U.S., which is about 10%, Fox and Calderon take take their hypocrisy and put it in a certain sunlight-free place.
One interesting note on Presidente Fox. He became eligible to become Mexico’s president only because their law was changed. At one time, in order to qualify, one not only had to be born in Mexico, but both parents also had to be Mexican-born. The law currently requires only one parent to be Mexican-born. One of Fox’s parents (I forget which) was born in Spain. (So it looks like they do take in some immigrants, although not in the numbers the U.S. does.)
This Mexican birth requirement, sometimes with an additional parental Mexican birth requirement, is also true of many government jobs in Mexico, at all levels, and even includes some of the clergy (since they don’t have our “separation of church and state”).
Bigfoot on October 9, 2007 at 9:46 PM
Agreed. I didn’t think Fox had any chops at all; he looked overmatched intellectually (heh), and at a complete loss to counter Bill’s well presented points.
He’s a putz; why is it again that anyone cares what the former President of Mexico thinks about illegal immigration to the U.S.?
Jaibones on October 9, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Thr truth is…..
Neo on October 9,2007 at 9:22PM
Neo:Annexing Canada,sounds like a brilliant idea,
but don’t you think the minute we get annexed,
you can kiss the beer and bacon goodbye.haha
canopfor on October 9, 2007 at 9:56 PM
Didn’t he say his father went south to Mexico to live the American dream?
Connie on October 9, 2007 at 9:57 PM
his name is Fox the network is called Fox, my head is spinning!
zane on October 9, 2007 at 9:58 PM
Eventually SOMEBODY will talk about the GUT objection people have about illegal MEXICAN immigration. It is not the loss of jobs, or stress on our social system, etc. America can do anything. We could annex Mexico if we wanted to.
It is that there are WAY TOO MANY. Twice as many as ALL other countries COMBINED. So many that the US gut wonders why 20 million people could not create change in Mexico? Why they do not even try? Where are the “revolutionaries”?
It is an insult to US honor to have a third world country on our border. A nation of “Christians” – assuming that Roman Catholics are considered Christians.
NAFTA was mean to address the problem, but Clintonistas and Leftists destroyed that potential. My pencils and TVs used to be made in Mexico before Clinton. Now EVERYTHING is made in China, a closed society that ignored Lefty interference.
A wall is necessary. Whether it is a physical barrier or a deployment of the national guard depends on whether we decide to deal with the problem and raise Mexico to the level of Canada or let it continue to fail.
We should make a 10 mile incursion into Mexico with regular army (with an agreement with Mexico’s government of course). Next we need a deliberate transfer of manufacturing of low tech from China to Mexico.
Why not transfer such jobs to the US? Because we are not ready to do what it takes. We’d need no-tax industrial zones, controlled or company owned real estate, etc.
Until we create a model in Mexico, and realize what it takes, the manufacturing sent to China is NEVER coming back.
Agrippa2k on October 9, 2007 at 9:59 PM
Ya gotta feel for the poor schmuck that had to drive el Presidente back to his hotel after that reaming. That could not have been too pleasant.
wccawa on October 9, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Yup. He seemed quite proud of the fact that his grandfather bolted the US when Lincoln was murdered. The same day. Connection? hmmmmm
And he said that America should follow the European Union model. I figured Allah would be all over that.
CrimsonFisted on October 9, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Jaibones on October 9, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Nail On Head.
Griz on October 9, 2007 at 10:03 PM
And Chris Matthews thought his interview with John Stewart was the worst book plug ever. Not even close.
Drew on October 9, 2007 at 10:07 PM
I also found an uncanny resemblance in Fox’s ” I tried” [to stop corruption and drug traffic] to Bill Clinton’s “I tried to kill him” remark to Chris Wallace.
Yeah. Sure you did.
Connie on October 9, 2007 at 10:07 PM
So,crazy like a fox,but more crazier than a fox,
paints the MinuteMen as violent,or should I say
the “Superior Race ” as in tall,blonde and blue
eyed, as in the axis side of WW2.
And the United States is the “Champion of Democracy”–DUH.
With all those beautiful talking points,is it possible
that he is possessed by Chris Matthews.hehe
canopfor on October 9, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Fox seemed totally lost when confronted by O’Reilly. He seemed to think everything he said would be taken for fact and no one would question him. He seemed quite surprised by O’Reilly even asking questions or questioning anything he said!. He even lied about his own southern border! Everyone knows what happens on Mexico’s southern border! I’ll bet that is the last time the old Fox is on Fox!
Neocon Peg on October 9, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Umm did we not already try that once? While not all of Canada during the Revolutionary War it was tried with the province of Quebec if I remember correctly.
It did not go that well.
F15Mech on October 9, 2007 at 10:18 PM
I had no idea that Robert Goulet used to be the President of Mexico!
radjah shelduck on October 9, 2007 at 10:22 PM
And would go even less well now.
Bob's Kid on October 9, 2007 at 10:23 PM
I personal believe…..
F15Mech on October 9,2007 at 10:18PM.
F15Mech:Great point,but your Military is a wee bit more advanced now,F15 is it true what I heard,that the Missile Shield is fully operational,just have to throw the switch?
canopfor on October 9, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Maybe Mr POS would be happy if the USA mirrored Mexico immigration laws.
Wade on October 9, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Hey, I could live with that…with a few minor tweaks maybe, but on a whole, it can stand.
Bob's Kid on October 9, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Sure our Military is more advanced the the days of muskets and blunderbusses.
However so is Canada’s.
I have no idea on the current state of the Shield, I am no longer in the military, even if I was it is not something an F15 Mech would know about.
F15Mech on October 9, 2007 at 10:50 PM
…nor for Op-Sec reasons, that would be something I would not talk about if I knew anything about it.
F15Mech on October 9, 2007 at 11:07 PM
they read from the same play book, when in doubt throw the race card .
Mojack420 on October 10, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Fox wants to ethnically cleans Mexico of it’s “underclass”. Well not all of them as I’m sure that he wants enough left to be servants for he and the rest of Mexico’s corrupt ruling elite.
MB4 on October 10, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Bill O’Reilly – doing the job W won’t do.
Halley on October 10, 2007 at 1:15 AM
Sorry Neo…
as soon as we annexed Canada and Mexico, we would no longer be able to drill for oil in any of our new territory…
Just like we can’t in Anwar, or off the coasts of California or Florida….
Romeo13 on October 10, 2007 at 1:43 AM
Annex Mexico to Canada. Sit back and listen to the sucking sounds as the great socialist feeding trough to the north, surviving by selling off its natural resources, hooks an unbilical to the great socialist bottom feeders from the south.
The Canadians have already bought into bi lingualism. The new flag could feature a Mexican and a French Canadian throttling the last surviving Anglo.
To facilitate this merger I would be willing to build a railway, surrounded by a tall fence from Tiajuana all the way to Toronto. They could have all the lettuce in the USA and I would throw in John McCain as a bonus.
entagor on October 10, 2007 at 2:28 AM
Hmm. Its rare, but sometimes O’Reilly says something worthwhile.
This is one of them.
(trying to protect kids from predators is another thing he does well).
Great job, Bill-O
LegendHasIt on October 10, 2007 at 3:39 AM
Madrazo (the link above) would make a very successful Democrat.
Sometimes it takes a guy like O’Reilly to get in the face of the bad guys.
Rugged Individual on October 10, 2007 at 5:24 AM
If the Southern border of the U.S were closed off to 99% of illegal immigration, there would be mass revolution in Mexico and the “leaders” know it.
jed58 on October 10, 2007 at 5:55 AM
Fox is not accustomed to having his BS challenged. Good job, Mr. O.
And for the record, we -do- have the ability to send all the illegals back to wherever they came from. I did the math (it isn’t that tough) and it will cost approximately 1/10 of what we spend each year on the war on drugs. Have you seen what -that- costs?
dogsoldier on October 10, 2007 at 7:09 AM
Exactly.
When I travel in Mexico, I look in awe at the resources. The unbelievable beautiful shoreline, the oil, the farm land, the mountains in central Mexico, it is a beautiful country…and they just waste it. Truly one of the most corrupt governments on this planet.
If we could make their people stay, and fight for their country, we would all be better off.
right2bright on October 10, 2007 at 7:14 AM
I love it… miniutmen violent? I guess now all you have to say is “that is my belief” nowadays. That is what goes for “truth” on the left?
BadBrad on October 10, 2007 at 7:15 AM
I’m not always a Bill O’Reilly fan but right on, Bill! I’m so tired of seeing these former politicians, elected officials, often corrupt (Hey, Bill Clinton) often petty and pathetic (Yo, Jimmy Carter), treated as if they are royalty. I’m not sure if it helped create the elitist political class or is a result of it but it certainly helps perpetuate it. It’s so bad that traitors like Sandy Berger are invited on TV to pass judgement on our country. Now we are even expected to treat the corrupt politicians of latin american countries like they are something special.
They need to be sent back to where they come from when there terms are over instead of continuing to enrich themselves at the expence of the American people.
peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 7:24 AM
Fox admitted that they shelter illegal immigrants on their southern border and then THEY SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES! Sounds like a great idea!
ctmom on October 10, 2007 at 7:25 AM
Oh, O’Reilly it is easy to leave Mr. Fox speechless Steward did it on his show also. Rush also hit a point that is lost ont the left.
Mr. Fox writes a book that slams U.S. and prints it in English so those on the left who did not do well in Spanish Class because they were lost in a purple haze could read it.
How many of our dollars are being sent to Mexico by the sale of his book, just like the illegal aliens are sending their cash wages home so they can claim their homeless here and get the right to hang out at Home Depot and the welfare and foodstamp program. Reality is not a pretty picture.
MSGTAS on October 10, 2007 at 8:35 AM
What has happened to all of the revenue the government has taken in.
Oil, telephone, power – all nationalized. So where is the money.
Show me the money.
Oh, and the illegal aliens going to Canadia – Canadians starting not to like the idea of being a santuary nation.
madmonkphotog on October 10, 2007 at 8:46 AM
Exactly. Except I no longer travel there, to my regret, due to criminality, drug wars, anti-Americanism, and as a protest. Such a terrible waste. Once Iran is off our plate, I hope we turn our attention south in a big way. We reform Mexico, or Mexico reforms us.
JiangxiDad on October 10, 2007 at 8:55 AM
VC was sooo lefty. He lobbed the bombs, the left wing’s universal talking points (racism, violence, etc.) and then, unable to document his claims, he ran.
But I appreciate the relative lack of vitriol from the both of them. No news in it, but a decent interview nonetheless, I thought.
petefrt on October 10, 2007 at 9:06 AM
I wasn’t suprised by the empty rhetoric that Fox displayed. He showed his true colors that Mexico will do nothing about this and want the US to foot the bill and burden. He knows as did Castro they are sending their slime here to take care of on our dime. I was disappointed in Bill when he let him off the hook on the absurd Minute Men diatribe he was spewing.
xler8bmw on October 10, 2007 at 9:28 AM
The truth is,,, how often do any of these people have to confront anyone that really lays out a solid challenge! It is rare! Take Hillary, for example,,, she is the Dems last “Great Marxist Hope”,,, but she is so great, she is constantly protected from, hides from anyone that provides a real solid challenge to her stupid ideas! Grabbing 20 average people out of any Mall in America,, at random,, those average people would probably have enough smarts to make any of these Marxist Dems squirm,, if they were allowed to ask and press whatever questions they pleased! That is why I could not take Sean Hannity’s so called interview! It was sickening! It was an opportunity missed! If Dems and Marxists, one in the same, I know,, and guys like this Fox guy,, were hounded with the truth the way Republicans and conservatives are hounded with smears, distortions and lies, they would have complete breakdowns! They would not be able to bear it!! They largely walk in La La land now,, safe and protected by the mainstream media. But should the truth ever come and surround them,, hound them as lies hound conservatives,, they would crack, scream, run and hide,, like a spoiled little child suddenly caught when the light switch is thrown on,,, their they are,, in the act of choking the cat and wearing mommy’s girdle, left with no where to run!
JellyToast on October 10, 2007 at 9:40 AM
We don’t need anymore political ammunition on the issue but, keep talkin’ pal, your only helping us.
Harpoon on October 10, 2007 at 9:51 AM
No amount of Mexican racial epithets could suffice.
However, he is just a pure chump. You know the image all the BDS sufferers have of Bush? Not the satanic monster one, but the moronic idiot liar one? that’s Vicente, hasta el final, chulo!
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2007 at 10:01 AM
Only in that neither is full blooded spanish (Fox is Irish, Geraldo is Jewish) and both are from upper class, elitist liberal families but pretend to speak for the “people”.
peacenprosperity on October 10, 2007 at 12:06 PM
I’m beginning to think there should be a North American Union. We’ll call it the United States of America. Probably the only way Mexico will ever get cleaned up and it wouldn’t hurt Canada, either. We just have to figure out how to make it illegal for leftists to hold office or vote. That would just be sooo cool.
trigon on October 10, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Oh yeah. We’d also have to exclude Quebec. Nobody wants to deal with those people. I’ll bet even France wouldn’t take them as an overseas possesion.
trigon on October 10, 2007 at 12:43 PM
God how I wish that Michelle Malkin hosted “The O’Reilly Factor” last evening and conducted the interview with Fox. O’Reilly kissed his arse and gave him a pass and even allowed this arrogant man to trash our patriotic Minutemen and to tell the United States how to conduct its own Immigration Policy.
O’Reilly has lost all credibility. He constantly gives anti-Americans the benefit of the doubt. I was extremely offended when O’Reilly spewed his own immigration plan for our country, in spite of the fact that the American people were clear on the subject. We want illegals deported because they are invaders of our country and we’re paying for their lawbreaking with taxpayer dollars.
O’Reilly is a self-important bully with no backbone and based on his performance last evening is a major part of the problem.
sinsing on October 10, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Fox is a no better cheat and liar than Madroza, he’s just a validated cheat and liar.
I really don’t understand why we would give a crap about what any opportunistic Mexican leader wants or says we should do, oh yeah, we care because our Pres. is in his pocket, that’s why.
Corruption seems to be working both sides of the border.
Fox’s self serving internationalist BS reminds me of Jimmy Carter save for the fact Fox has more credibility.
I wanted Bill to ask Fox why there’s 600K Mexican felons in the US, what we should do with them and what would the difference be between a fence built on the American side of the border and one built on the Mexican side.
Speakup on October 10, 2007 at 2:32 PM
I completely agree.
OReilly let him off easy, he never asked Fox HOW he was doing something positive, or HOW he HAD done something to improve Mexico’s poverty and drug issues. Each time Fox said ‘we’re trying very hard’ & ‘we are doing something’ O’Reilly never challenged that crap by simply asking “LIKE WHAT?”
.
Did anyone else catch Fox stating -I’m paraphrasing
“the worst thing is that now our(mexican) kids are doing drugs because we (mexico) have stopped some of the drug trafficking to the US.” Implying they have a surplus of illegal drugs and it’s our fault we didn’t buy it all.
HE WOULD RATHER OUR US KIDS DO ALL THE DRUGS, and JUST SEND HIM THE MONEY.
AND…He said what a waste it is to spend money on a wall because mexico could use that money to build jobs for their poor people. Fox truly wants… no, he expects America to fund everything for all Mexicans.
(Its at around the 18 minute mark if you recorded it)
Lastly, he almost seemed proud that the REAL poverty level set by the United -idiots- Nations was TWO ($2) DOLLARS a day, and only a small percentage of mexico was below that. His hard working people made $4, yes FOUR, dollars a day. Nice double up there senor Fox, you should be proud. frickin idiot.
shooter on October 10, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Fox is as feeble and disappointing as Jimmy Carter. How in the name of the Almighty do we end up with such leadership?
T J Green on October 10, 2007 at 3:26 PM
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