Open thread: The highest, lowest debate expectations evah; Video added: Rudy vs. Romney

posted at 3:35 pm on October 9, 2007 by Allahpundit

4 p.m. ET on CNBC, the elephant in the room finally speaks up. Why they decided to hold an event as momentous as this in the middle of the day, I have no idea. It’ll re-air tonight at 9 on MSNBC but highlights will be all over the web by then, I’m sure. If you’re not in front of a TV but want to watch, the livestream is being carried at CNBC.com.

The question of the hour: Are expectations for Fred sky high or knee high? I figured he’d need a star turn to rehabilitate himself with disappointed Republicans but the CW I’m seeing today is that if he doesn’t bore the audience into a stupor it’ll be considered a moral victory. Which is another way of saying that an unusually strong performance could turn the race on its head and an unusually weak one could sink his candidacy, which is why he’ll probably proceed cautiously to protect his second-place position and go for broke at a later debate if he has to.

While we wait, here’s Howard Kurtz theorizing that Rudy’s rudeness (i.e. pugnaciousness) is a major draw for Republicans, which is silly given that he’s gone out of his way not to show that side of himself during the campaign thus far. If he’s nominated and faces Hillary, you’ll see it in spades. Although I’m not sure it’ll matter — check out the trend in this Angus Reid poll. What was it Bill Kristol was saying yesterday about electability?

He’s still got a fairly healthy lead over Fred, though, whose own trends aren’t encouraging. We’ll see how that looks tomorrow. At least one important number is about to change dramatically — or is it? Mitt’s been in every debate thus far but judging from those figures the public must think he’s part of the set.

As always, sound off below if you’re watching and e-mail us if you see something that deserves to be clipped. An unlikely but possible subplot to watch out for: the candidates smacking Chris Matthews for his comments about Republican “criminals” last week and Matthews, eager to prove his alleged independence, smacking back. Even money says that if anyone does it, it’s Huckabee.

Update: The Rudy/Mitt feud bubbles up over the line-item veto, culminating in a clever applause line for Giuliani. I think he’s right about the LIV.

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bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 4:52 PM

I think they’re fine with federalism, they just don’t want us imposing it on them.

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 4:52 PM

Liking the defense of the Iraq policy, on the whole.

NeoConNews on October 9, 2007 at 4:53 PM

I just took this poll and the results scared and surprised me. The guy I actually support scored as the lowest Republican. One thing was accurate, though. Hillary was at the bottom.

rivlax on October 9, 2007 at 4:47 PM

That poll had my choices exactly right, choice 1 Hunter, choice 2 Thompson……..

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 4:53 PM

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Just saying it is being reported wrong by the media. The reason is to push the base further from the party. a 20% stake is nothing to worry about as far as the exchanges go. It becomes a problem when it is the media or a national security issue. Like the saudi princes 20% in Fox

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 4:54 PM

Chrissie forgetting economics (though so far the war is related to economics) and re-riding the weapons of mass…

The bombing of Syria story, and Israel currently being on high allert, has not been told in full yet…Iraq c/b part of the story, along with Iran and N. Korrea.

All, get back to economics.

Entelechy on October 9, 2007 at 4:54 PM

you sit down with lawyers?????

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 4:54 PM

Not a Romney fan, but he just called Dinner Jacket a buffoon.

+10 points.

MadisonConservative on October 9, 2007 at 4:54 PM

By the way, did he just call us an empire?

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 4:49 PM

Yes………

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 4:54 PM

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 4:53 PM

I will give you this, Fred seems ready. He’s doing better than I thought (I didn’t think he’d do bad, just mediocre)

Spirit of 1776 on October 9, 2007 at 4:55 PM

Romney doesn’t know if the President needs to get Congressional authority to attack Iran? He’ll let the lawyers sort it out?

Look, I understand it’s a tricky issue and the Executive and Congressional authority collide here but it’s a weak answer. Hunter gave a much better one.

Bad job by Romney.

Drew on October 9, 2007 at 4:55 PM

Mitt? Consulting with lawyers first regarding national security? Not good!

synycalwon on October 9, 2007 at 4:55 PM

Good answer by Hunter. His answers seem far more substantive and authoritative

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 4:55 PM

Did that jackass just say that we haven’t been attacked in 220 years?!?

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Did Doctor Demento just say the US has never been attacked?

Drew on October 9, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Brownback can take Paul with him when he goes

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Ron Paul..just war propaganda……….F&^king retard……..

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 4:56 PM

We’ve never had an attack on us in 120 years? Really Ron? And by the way, the President can declare war for 90 days without Congressional authorization.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Ron Paul is definately running in the wrong party.

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

applause for paul

zane on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Wow…Ron Paul should tap out…

StoutRepublican on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

So much for living in infamy

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Good answer by Hunter. His answers seem far more substantive and authoritative

Helped by the nature of the debate too. No Confed flag or evolution questions today

Spirit of 1776 on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Hunter looking like a VP good ticket.

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

We have never had an immediate attack ? ever hear or Pearl harbor or 911 ?

William Amos on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Paul is off his meds again… Or smoking taking the wrong kind.

LegendHasIt on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Get that clown (Paul) off the stage! He doesn’t think Iran is a threat? Huh?

synycalwon on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

zane on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

He brings his Loons with him and they make sure to hoot and holler.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Ron. Paul. Is. A. Loooooooon.

What a shrieking maroon… Good grief.

Hoodlumman on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

The audience seems to be 50/50 rightie/leftie – how’d they do that?

Entelechy on October 9, 2007 at 4:58 PM

McCain is an adult and set ‘em straight on the war resolutions. Good answer.

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 4:58 PM

We have never had an immediate attack ? ever hear or Pearl harbor or 911 ?

William Amos on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Amen, brother.

omnipotent on October 9, 2007 at 4:58 PM

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 4:56 PM

He said that there has never been an imminent attack that we know of against the United States in 220 years.

Nonfactor on October 9, 2007 at 4:58 PM

good answer from mccain

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 4:58 PM

(Insert South Park “Ostrich Head in Sand” clip here)

StoutRepublican on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Hunter looking like a VP good ticket.

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Yup, a Thompson/Hunter ticket is looking better and better all the time.

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Good answer by Fred, too.

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

RonPaul’s gonna end up popping like a giant zit if he doesn’t calm the hell down. What a spaz.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Anyone else think that after hearing everyone else (Ron Paul excepted) answer this question he’d like a do over?

That was just piss poor Mitt. Piss poor.

Drew on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

McCain is rocking, he sounds like he is lecturing college students. All the “Of course”‘s

Spirit of 1776 on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Good answer by Fred, too.

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Yep. He’s doing better than I thought he might.

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

RonPaul’s gonna end up popping like a giant zit if he doesn’t calm the hell down. What a spaz.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Thought he WAS a giant zit. Wait, zits are less whiny.

MadisonConservative on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

It’s safer?

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Good answer by Fred, too.

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

He essentially said “I agree with McCain” /southerndrawl

Nonfactor on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

I dont know where Ron Paul was on 9/11…

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Op, Rudy’s first 9/11 of the night!

And now he’s on his third in one breath…

MadisonConservative on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

He said that there has never been an imminent attack that we know of against the United States in 220 years.

Nonfactor on October 9, 2007 at 4:58 PM

I’m still not picking up on the nuance. Does he mean we never knew before hand of an attack?

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Go Rudy, attack Paul! Always a winner

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

19 thugs. Jesus, Mary and Joseph…. Paul just keeps getting better and better.

Laura on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

People don’t interrupt Paul when he speaks, why does he start yelling over the other candidates when they speak?

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Rudy debating Hillary… I love it.

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 5:01 PM

McCain is doing well, he’s picked up, Fred was shaky at first, I think he was nervous, but he’s doing well. Mitt seems to be doing mediocre.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Yup, a Thompson/Hunter ticket is looking better and better all the time.
doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Thats what I have been praying for since Thompson started thinking about running. Hunter just doesn’t have the name recognition to win this time around; VP next term would set him up for being a real, solid ‘career’ conservative as President in 2012.

LegendHasIt on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

People don’t interrupt Paul when he speaks,

Because when your opponent is determined to hang himself, keep handing him rope.

Laura on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Why can’t we say that we like oil?

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

I dont know where Ron Paul was on 9/11…

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

I don’t know where Paul is ever.

abinitioadinfinitum on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Good position and points by Rudy on energy independence.

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Rudy’s got good answers for energy. Moon shot program for energy independence is a great idea.

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM

He essentially said “I agree with McCain” /southerndrawl

Nonfactor on October 9, 2007 at 5:00 PM

I’m not surprised, McCain and Fred are friends.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM

France doesn’t have oil

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Thats what I have been praying for since Thompson started thinking about running. Hunter just doesn’t have the name recognition to win this time around; VP next term would set him up for being a real, solid ‘career’ conservative as President in 2012.

LegendHasIt on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Exactly………

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM

I don’t know where Paul is ever.

abinitioadinfinitum on October 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM

He’s in orbit.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 5:04 PM

Will she ask Fred about drilling for oil in the Everglades?

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 5:04 PM

People don’t interrupt Paul when he speaks, why does he start yelling over the other candidates when they speak?

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 5:01 PM

You’d yell too if you were teh only man who can save Amerikka!!!1!!11!!

Or because he’s just crazy. Probably that crazy thing.

Hollowpoint on October 9, 2007 at 5:04 PM

Rudy: “Why the heck haven’t we licensed a nuclear plant in 20 years?”

Good question. Any comment, Democrats?

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 5:04 PM

I like when candidates are able to move away from soundbites and actually have to develop the answer to the question on the fly.

Weebork on October 9, 2007 at 5:04 PM

I didn’t know Brownback voted for ANWAR – good for him.

Laura on October 9, 2007 at 5:04 PM

Did Tancredo just call California a country?

Tennman on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

This is actually a pretty good debate!

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

glooobal waaaaaaaaarming? questions soon

abinitioadinfinitum on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

The Tanc! Drill everywhere you can! I love it!

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Hardball on MSNBC is really hammering Fred! hard over his performance today.

I think they’re afraid of him.

unamused on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Did Tancredo just call California a country?

Lol, accidentally he implied it!

This is actually a pretty good debate!

agreed!

Spirit of 1776 on October 9, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Did Tancredo just call California a country?

Tennman on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Yes, it is called Mexico. (rim-shot)

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:06 PM

McC says ‘climate change’ is real. Ugh.

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

oh, here we go on the climate change… every time I start to like McCain he ruins it for me.

Laura on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Rudy’s got good answers for energy. Moon shot program for energy independence is a great idea.

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:03 PM

Just keep in mind that means throwing boatloads of money at the problem, much of it ending up in the hands of campaign contributors to Jack Murtha.

Hollowpoint on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

This is actually a pretty good debate!

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Best yet. The moderators are even doing a good job.

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Hardball on MSNBC is really hammering Fred! hard over his performance today.

I think they’re afraid of him.

unamused on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Ha ha ha, ya think….

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

The top importers of oil to the U.S. (in order)

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia (~15%)

Tancredo is using scare tactics when he talks about getting oil from countries that want to kill us.

Hoodlumman on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6566.html

wtf?

Zetterson on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

When was the terms “global warming” get replaced by “climate change.” they are called seasons.

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Did Tancredo just call California a country?

Tennman on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

He just called it by the wrong name, it’s Aztlan not California

abinitioadinfinitum on October 9, 2007 at 5:08 PM

Oh my God,

At least Huckabee gets it. We are in a racewar.

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 5:08 PM

When was the terms “global warming” get replaced by “climate change.” they are called seasons.

Ha. Awesome

Spirit of 1776 on October 9, 2007 at 5:08 PM

Just keep in mind that means throwing boatloads of money at the problem, much of it ending up in the hands of campaign contributors to Jack Murtha.

Hollowpoint on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

I’ll ask you about that a little later. I’m hoping murtha will be in jail soon. ;)

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:08 PM

That was dry….

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 5:09 PM

Tancredo is using scare tactics when he talks about getting oil from countries that want to kill us.

Hoodlumman on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

No he isn’t! haven’t you ever seen “Strange Brew” Beware of Canada

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:09 PM

Doh…………letting Goober and Gomer service the family station wagon…….

doriangrey on October 9, 2007 at 5:09 PM

When was the terms “global warming” get replaced by “climate change.” they are called seasons.

Weight of Glory on October 9, 2007 at 5:07 PM

When the media catches on to the fact that the dire predictions are not coming true (again) and that they need to switch to the opposite extreme (again). This is the end of the fourth climate change cycle, starting with the NYT in 1896.

Laura on October 9, 2007 at 5:10 PM

cap on southerners

abinitioadinfinitum on October 9, 2007 at 5:10 PM

unamused on October 9, 2007 at 5:05 PM

I think they’ll try and say he stunk, no matter how well he does, certain members of the left fear him, big time, it helps that it is on in daytime, they can “interpret” the debate as they see fit.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 5:10 PM

Oil going to hit $100

bnelson44 on October 9, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Thanks for legitimizing the fear of global warming, Mitt….

unamused on October 9, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Fred should stick to talking – not humor.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Bartiromo: “Governor Romney, would you like to pander to the voters in Iowa right now?”

Romney: “Why yes, I would. Consider it done.”

Big S on October 9, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Ethanol is a bad idea. Drives corn prices sky high, increases feed prices, misdirects the food supply, and consumes more energy to produce that it delivers.

Bad idea.

techno_barbarian on October 9, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Fred….YAWN.

Mitt….awesome grasp of the free market.

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Mitt – “we face global warming” (sigh) and the CO2… somebody’s been listening to the Goreacle.

Laura on October 9, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Mitt and Fred gets it too…free market will solve the problems if the government invests in the start up of the industry.

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Mitt and Fred gets it too…free market will solve the problems if the government invests in the start up of the industry.

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 5:12 PM

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