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Video: Hannity begs Dobson not to make Hillary president

posted at 10:44 pm on October 8, 2007 by Allahpundit
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To no avail. The money part comes at the end, when he explains why it would actually be better for Hillary to be president than Rudy. For him, that is. Not for you.

I snipped out the obligatory reminder that he’s speaking solely in his capacity as a private citizen, no different from you or I, which I guess explains why he got 25 minutes on the second-most widely watched news show on cable to expound on his opposition to Giuliani.

Exit question: Is he seriously citing Rudy’s appointments of municipal court judges as evidence of how he’d make Supreme Court picks?

More (Bryan): I respect Dr. Dobson and admire his principles and even some of his thinking in this interview. I don’t agree with his conclusions, but I respect how he gets there. He’s a man of principle and his principles are sound. I do think that he’s mistaking the world of politics as a place where perfection and purity are possible, when it’s neither. It’s not even close.

The most fundamental problem that I see in his conclusion is that he knows full well that if he siphons off even a percent or two from the GOP candidate to some doomed third party candidate, he will be handing the election to a radical pro-choice candidate who among other things is likely to be very bad on the war and awful across a whole range of issues that Dobson rightly holds dear. And the rest of the GOP will end up blaming him and social conservatives for her ascension to power.

But on the other hand, supporting a GOP candidate who stands at odds with most of the things Dobson and other social conservatives have fought for, for decades, may well have the unintended consequence of further marginalizing social conservatives. Most Republicans who aren’t all that socially conservative will probably celebrate that, but the long term effect of that will probably be to weaken the GOP as a broadly conservative coalition. The social cons are in many ways the anchor that keeps the party conservative, and without them we’ll have a much weakened GOP that may remain fiscally conservative but otherwise probably won’t stand for very much. Some may argue that independents will be more attracted to the GOP if the social cons aren’t there, and that may be true, but it seems unlikely to me that enough independents will become solid Republicans to replace the social cons as a movement. Independents aren’t exactly known for their loyalty to anything in particular when it comes to politics and don’t fuel lasting or effective movements. They tend to shift with the wind. That’s what makes many of them independents.

Social cons are really looking at a landscape with few good options in front of us. The strongest socially conservative candidate still standing is probably McCain, but he has had the habit of betraying conservative principles when it suits him, and he’s not going to last much longer anyway. Given Romney’s zigzagging on so many issues, it’s fair to wonder who he really is. And I say that as someone who generally likes him. Fred hasn’t shown much fire yet and hasn’t moved up on Giuliani in the polls very much. Hunter and Huckabee and Tancredo and the rest just don’t seem to have a shot, which is unfortunate and may be a sign of things to come: The most solidly and uncompromisingly conservative candidates probably have the least chance of winning. That’s probably due to their particular backgrounds and biographies, but it also may tell us something about where the party may be heading.

So with few good options and the likelihood of a Giuliani vs Clinton race, what do we do? I’m struggling with the question myself, but I don’t think it’s a good idea except as a way of warning to do what Dr. Dobson is doing now. It’s fine to warn the party that you aren’t happy with the candidates and that you’ll do what you can to hold the party to its conservative principles no matter who wins the primary. I don’t think it’s wise to toy with third party talk. He didn’t do much of that in the interview tonight, but he has been doing it here and there in recent weeks. That’s the nuclear option in my opinion, but it’s being deployed against one’s own party. It’s really a Samson strategy, and deploying it will bring the house down upon us. Would that get us closer to or farther away from becoming a more conservative country? It’s hard to argue that handing the presidency to the likes of Hillary Clinton can do much but damage the country as a whole and the conservative movement in particular.

Now, all of that said, I’d still like to point out that it’s not demagoguery for Dr. Dobson to offer his opinion on Giuliani. The fact is, Giuliani’s record is what it is. Much of it is very good, and I agree with George Will that Giuliani’s mayoral record is strikingly conservative in many ways. It’s also strikingly liberal in many ways and strikingly wrongheaded in a couple of ways. Giuliani’s marital record is fair game because of how Giuliani himself has handled his private life, and I do fear that we may be setting ourselves up for bimbo eruptions if he’s in the White House. That kind of thing just seems to have been wired into him. It’s not demagoguery to wonder about any of that, to dread it happening, and to point out that you have problems with some or all of it. It’s politics and it’s life. We could do with less name-calling on our side among fellow Republicans, just as we could do with fewer third-party warnings of the kind that Dr. Dobson has been floating.


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Yes, in most of the country that is indeed scandalous…and just plain weird. Some people better wake the hell up around here.

DwnSouthJukin on October 9, 2007 at 12:03 AM

The strength of a nation derives from the integrity of the home.
- Confucius

MB4 on October 9, 2007 at 12:06 AM

Yes, in most of the country that is indeed scandalous…and just plain weird. Some people better wake the hell up around here.

DwnSouthJukin on October 9, 2007 at 12:03 AM

Maybe its because I’m in my 20’s, I’m sorry, I just find it funny that anyone can be shocked by Rudy crashing with two gay guys for a while during his marriage fallout.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:06 AM

And yet, one more year of awesome threads such as this.

SouthernDem on October 9, 2007 at 12:07 AM

Choosing evil is never right.

Benaiah on October 9, 2007 at 12:05 AM

Is choosing a candidate that is not evil but has a different set off religious beliefs evil?

Meaning if you are an evangelical, is it evil to choose a Catholic or Morman?

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:09 AM

Conservatives would be better off keeping religion in your church, synagogue, basement, back pocket or under your hat.

Stick to the issues.

Kini on October 8, 2007 at 11:55 PM

I don’t think you meant this as a harsh comment about religion, I got the general point.

So I will just say…OY!!

and I’ll move on

sunny on October 9, 2007 at 12:10 AM

ViperPilot on October 8, 2007 at 11:04 PM

Just look at all the people here bashing Dobson and those who agree with his opinions. This place seems to be slowly adopting the vitriol that the Kos Kids use.

Sure, I’ve made that point a few times myself. But still, nobody said you can’t vote for who you want. They just said that if you vote for a third party you are essentially voting for Hillary. And that’s true.

DaveS on October 9, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Maybe its because I’m in my 20’s, I’m sorry, I just find it funny that anyone can be shocked by Rudy crashing with two gay guys for a while during his marriage fallout.

No, its because you’ve been indoctrinated.

:)

DwnSouthJukin on October 9, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Dobson is a damned fool

Defector01 on October 9, 2007 at 12:12 AM

You’re both confused. First of all, eanax, without life there is no such thing as liberty, genius…

RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:50 PM

The point, RW, is I’m already alive and you’re already alive, so what’s most important? The answer is liberty.

Nonetheless, go ahead resort to ad hominem. It’s a typical and rather tired tactic.

There is a very famous passage within Declaration of Independence where the term ‘Life’ appears, (”…Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”), but you ought to know that this phrase is NOT referring to those who are unborn.

You are educated and learned enough to know this, correct?

eanax on October 9, 2007 at 12:17 AM

Who does Dobson support?

JustTruth101 on October 9, 2007 at 12:18 AM

They just said that if you vote for a third party you are essentially voting for Hillary. And that’s true.

DaveS on October 9, 2007 at 12:11 AM

Republicans who vote for Rudolph for the Republican nomination are essentially voting for there to be a third part. And that’s true.

MB4 on October 9, 2007 at 12:20 AM

The “Conservatives” on this blog differ from the liberals on the Daily Kos or HuffPo only slightly. Both believe in using the big hammer of the government to accomplish their own goals and both are willing to compromise any principle for power. Both are disgusting. BOTH ARE DISGUSTING. The funny thing is that the CLOWNS on this blog think that the world will be so different if Hillary wins. Regardless of whether Hillary or Rudy win the election, we will have a BIG GOVERNMENT, Power Hungry megalomaniac as President. I know that the liberals are disgusting, power whores, but it is quite disconcerting to see the exact same sort of ilk on this supposed “Conservative Blog.”

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:23 AM

DwnSouthJukin on October 9, 2007 at 12:01 AM

As a former New Yorker, I’d like to just know what part of my former neighborhood pre-Giuliani you’d actually miss. Was it the hookers that would come up to your car at the red light? The assault weapons you could often buy in broad daylight on the street? The corrupt police who refused to arrest the guy who broke into my car and stole my stuff because he was their bud? The spray paint everywhere? The gangs walking around the street and hanging out by the school?

Or maybe it wasn’t even my neighborhood but maybe the peep shows in Times Square.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 12:24 AM

I’ll ask this question I asked in another thread: How many kids has Dobson adopted? Since he’s so pro-life, I’d assume he’d be taking in unwanted kids. ???

Sorry, but I will take Rudy’s word (or any other candidate) who says he will nominate conservative judges. I am not a religious person. Personally I abhor abortions. However, I will not let that one issue stop me from voting against Hillary (if I have to) or for the GOP nominee. Dobson is a fool if he thinks defeating Hillary once she becomes president will magically make the Right coalesce into a “movement”. It very well may, but it’s a huge gamble, and one I will not partake in. Spare me the talk of having “convictions”, especially because by not standing behind your party’s nominee is tacit to turning your back on your convictions by allowing Mrs. Clinton to win.

SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 12:25 AM

Peter La Fleur: I know. I just said that.
White Goodman: I know you just said that.
Peter La Fleur: Okay, I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
White Goodman: Well, I’m not sure where *you’re* going with this.
Peter La Fleur: That’s what I said.
White Goodman: That’s what I’m saying to *you*.
Peter La Fleur: All right.
White Goodman: …TouchÈ.

geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:59 PM

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RightWinged on October 9, 2007 at 12:27 AM

Who does Dobson support?

JustTruth101 on October 9, 2007 at 12:18 AM

He hasn’t said. He’s only complained that he doesn’t like Rudy or Fred, and had this to say about Mitt:

“I don’t believe that conservative Christians in large numbers will vote for a Mormon but that remains to be seen, I guess,” Mr. Dobson said on a syndicated radio program hosted by a conservative commentator, Laura Ingraham.

Interpret that as you will…He’s previously praised Newt Gingrich, but Gingrich isn’t running.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 12:29 AM

While I agree that a third party would be a bad idea I also feel that unless we demand it and put heavy pressure on the RNC we won’t be offered a true Conservative candidate.

Giuliani is the RNC favorite because he’s the follow on guy to George Bush and Dobson along with the rest of us placing pressure on the RNC is no doubt the only way to get a course change.

There are some issues on which I like Rudy and others I think he’s giving us double speak.

Speakup on October 9, 2007 at 12:30 AM

Who does Dobson support?
JustTruth101 on October 9, 2007 at 12:18 AM

Like Hannity said after the interview to Ann Coulter and Colmes, ” He’s hedging around Romney”.

This also ties in with Hannity’s interview with Dobson on the radio, after Dobson laid the hatchet on Rudy and Fred, Hannity said, “Well there’s still Mitt Romney”, to which Dobson’s reply was, “And there are others as well”.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:31 AM

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:23 AM

So what do you advise we do, oh wise TRUE conservative? The GOP elite have abandoned small gov’t ideals entirely, and no matter what we do they don’t respond, and they’re entrenched in that position, and it doesn’t matter who gets in, they’ll cave and gov’t will grow. We don’t have time for a party purge, and we sure as hell can’t let Hillary have the keys to the White House.

I’d like to see us move in a small gov’t position, but I don’t think anyone will actually do anything more than mouth platitudes, at least for this election cycle.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:35 AM

I heard a qoman on the show say that it is Ok if Hillary gets in, maybe we need another Carter to get a Reagan. Wrong Honey, Hillary would screw this country up so bad we would not see a recovery in our lifetime.

bbz123 on October 9, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Thanks for the link, amerpundit

Mr. Dobson, the founder of the Colorado-based Focus on the Family, did not say why Christians would fail to support Mr. Romney.

Mr. Dobson also acknowledged that the governor’s stands on social issues are similar to those of many religious conservatives.

He’s a nice guy. He’s a very attractive man. He’s got a beautiful wife and a lot of his principles and values are consistent with ours,” Mr. Dobson said.

A spokesman for Mr. Romney, Eric Fehrnstrom, had no immediate comment.

While some Christians have denounced Mormonism as a heretical sect, not all conservative Christians agree that Mr. Romney’s faith will hurt him with the religious right.

“I don’t believe that conservative Christians in large numbers will vote for a Mormon but that remains to be seen, I guess,” Mr. Dobson said

.
Take it from a dead buddy of yours Dobson:

“If he’s pro-life, pro-family, I don’t think he’ll have any problem getting the support of evangelical Christians,” a founder of the Moral Majority, Rev. Jerry Falwell, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Mo. earlier this year.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:36 AM

Dobson will reside in hell long before he ever sees the pearly gates. Just like Hillary he’s a criminal. Steal from the ignorant and give to their own pockets.

Griz on October 9, 2007 at 12:38 AM

Choosing evil is never right.

Benaiah on October 9, 2007 at 12:05 AM

Sins of omission and sins of commission. You are advocating the abdication of our responsibility to make the best choice. By refusing to make any choice, you tacitly choose the greater evil.

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 12:39 AM

How many kids has Dobson adopted? Since he’s so pro-life, I’d assume he’d be taking in unwanted kids. ???
SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 12:25 AM

He didn’t adopt any…. He and his wife only have one child, a son.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:39 AM

I suppose Dobson also would not find Saul (who became Paul) electable because of his past. Not to mention King David (whose documented atrocities can be found in the Old Testament). You know, the bible is full of imperfect people who became great leaders, yet, based on Dobson’s argument, it seems no one is ever really electable because of their past. I think all this is more about Dobson than principal. It’s his 15 minutes of fame (that comes around every 4 years).
thedecider on October 8, 2007 at 11:20 PM

It is not fair to suppose thus for Dr Dobson.
1. David did not declare a public policy supporting murdering the husbands of women one lusted after, and Saul as Paul did not promote a policy of murdering Christians. Saul converted to follow Christ, and David was a sinner who paid mightly for defying the law of God. David is considered by people like me to be a fallen leader who threw away so much to commit major sins. He went easy on Absalom his son so that many men died who did not have to die. When I think of David I think the line: how have the mighty fallen

2. Dr Dobson is concerned about the future behaviour of politicians. Why? Because he has a mission to protect the family. That is the organization he founded. That is why he goes on television all the time to argue for his side. It is not a lust for 15 minutes of fame. He is a minister, a believer and a fighter. He is articulate and has a coherent understanding of the Bible which he believes to be true. I think he is an excellent debater for the side I support.

There is an argument floating the blogs that we must all vote for the GOP candidate with the most momentum or lose America. This candidate will be chosen for us by various columnists, bloggers, and pollsters whom we must trust. We are to ignore our conscience and get with the program.

This works if we trust the informed elite who are giving us marching orders. On the other hand I have been royally betrayed by the elites.

I can at least look at past voting records, speeches and other evidence. Men can change. Ronald Reagan became a true conservative. However he proved himself to be truly converted and articulated his ideas well in writing and radio programs long before he ran for office as a conservative. That vision is missing in the current front runners some of whom are clearly thrashing against their own beliefs. Once they are elected they will follow their nose just like Bush did. I am glad Dobson is digging now, not later.

entagor on October 9, 2007 at 12:39 AM

On a similar note:

For several years now, the California Republican Party has had a “values test” and their nominees have been consistantly single-issue pro-life candidates. Blithering idiot Barbara Boxer and blatantly corrupt Diane Feinstein are in no danger of ever being voted out of office.

Thank you very very very much.

Spiny Norman on October 9, 2007 at 12:39 AM

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:23 AM
So what do you advise we do, oh wise TRUE conservative? The GOP elite have abandoned small gov’t ideals entirely, and no matter what we do they don’t respond, and they’re entrenched in that position, and it doesn’t matter who gets in, they’ll cave and gov’t will grow. We don’t have time for a party purge, and we sure as hell can’t let Hillary have the keys to the White House.

I’d like to see us move in a small gov’t position, but I don’t think anyone will actually do anything more than mouth platitudes, at least for this election cycle.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:35 AM

Unlike most of the folks on this blog, I won’t vote for the arrogant, elitist Republicans who bank on me voting for the lesser of two evils. The only Republican who has consistently stood for small Constitutional government is Ron Paul and he is demonized on this blog by those same arrogant, elitist Conservative Jack@sses. Don’t blame people like me for Hillary being elected, put that blame squarely where it belongs – on the Big Government, Lost in the Woods Republicans.

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM

The “Conservatives” on this blog differ from the liberals on the Daily Kos or HuffPo only slightly. Both believe in using the big hammer of the government to accomplish their own goals and both are willing to compromise any principle for power. Both are disgusting. BOTH ARE DISGUSTING. The funny thing is that the CLOWNS on this blog think that the world will be so different if Hillary wins. Regardless of whether Hillary or Rudy win the election, we will have a BIG GOVERNMENT, Power Hungry megalomaniac as President. I know that the liberals are disgusting, power whores, but it is quite disconcerting to see the exact same sort of ilk on this supposed “Conservative Blog.”

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:23 AM

I am an Independent libertarian, and I don’t agree with ever-increasing government encroachment.

My willingness to support and get a Republican president in office again is to offset what I think in ‘08 will be a Democratic majority again in the House and the Senate. I want one of the Republican candidates in there so they can exercise the veto. And, right now, Rudy has great appeal across the board — especially to those all important moderate and Independant voters.

That’s the reality…

eanax on October 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM

You’re both confused. First of all, eanax, without life there is no such thing as liberty, genius… as for geckoman, that position is fine, but is ushering in Hillary going to do more for “life” than Rudy? Come on.

RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:50 PM

I was commenting more on the single issue voting philosophy of those who are pro-life. All in all we are still in primary mode, so to speak of the candidates as if it was general election time is a bit premature.

And thanks for the audio!

geckomon on October 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM

Rightwinged: “This interviewed caused me to lose any respect for Dobson I may have had.”

I agree.

I won’t vote for Rudy in the primary. Gun control is my issue. However, if Rudy is the Republican candidate, I will not choose to throw my vote away and allow the Democratic candidate (whomever it is) to win. I will not vote for a 3rd party or sit home and not vote.

Republicans voting for Ross Perot out of protest over Bush 41’s taxes (or whatever the reason), gave us Bill and Hillary for *8* corrupt years in the first place.

Dobson chooses to be an asshole.

georgej on October 9, 2007 at 12:44 AM

The only Republican who has consistently stood for small Constitutional government is Ron Paul…

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM

Ron Paul doesn’t stand a chance in Hades of getting the nomination. He’s delusional and he doesn’t think clearly. He lives in a world of ‘theory’ rather than in reality.

Since “troofers” love him, that’s an instant red flag signaling that he should be avoided like the plague.

eanax on October 9, 2007 at 12:45 AM

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:36 AM

So that leaves one to wonder why he’s not actually formally supported him, seeing as we’ve basically seen the field we’ll have.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 12:46 AM

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM

Score, pulled another RonPaul supporter out of the woodwork!

Look, I respect his small gov’t beliefs, but his foreign policy positions are too much, while I’m not super hawkish, I’m not an isolationist, not to mention his paranoia thinking the Bush admin is gonna try and fabricate an incident to take a swipe at Iran. That and the craziness with fiat money and the gold standard.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:47 AM

The only Republican who has consistently stood for small Constitutional government is Ron Paul…

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM

For me, being a loon with friends who think the government brought down the World Trade Center is kind of a detractor…

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 12:48 AM

Comment by Melissa Rollins, Apr 12, 2007 17:33

Let us think logically about Mitt Romney and his potential political influence in Washington.

1. It is important to understand the LDS Doctrine. One of the “Articles of Faith”, which outlines the most fundamental points of their belief system, defines clearly the churches position,

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

2. Why would a minority religion ever hope for a union of church and state? Minority religions are dependent on the inspired design of the Constitution.

3. What evidence is there to substantiate the notion that a Mormon elected official would push theology? None.

4. Many conservatives question Mitt Romney’s value system because of all the media hype of “Mitt Flopping.”

The fact is Romney has always personally been pro-life, his view has changed on the role government should have on the issue.

When Romney was running for office in the early 90’s he stated his support for gay rights, but back then “gay rights” did not mean “gay marriage.” I think most of us are old enough to remember that.

5. At the end of the day, I want a candidate with a value system. I’m tired of all the “Mormon Bashing.”

Christians are beating up some of our best allies while the moral fabric of our society is being slashed by liberals. Let’s end the bickering, and work together to get this country back on track.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:48 AM

And here I thought we were above the name calling, mud-slinging, and other hate related crap that the nutroot lefty blogs are notorious for. Oh how wrong could I possibly be?

ViperPilot on October 9, 2007 at 12:50 AM

Ron Paul doesn’t stand a chance in Hades of getting the nomination. He’s delusional and he doesn’t think clearly. He lives in a world of ‘theory’ rather than in reality.

Since “troofers” love him, that’s an instant red flag signaling that he should be avoided like the plague.

eanax on October 9, 2007 at 12:45 AM

How dare you! Haven’t you seen the thousands of YouTube comments stating simply “Ron Paul 2008!” Haven’t you seen how those losers wake up in their dorms to repeatedly text bomb Fox News, etc. after GOP debates to make it look like he has support? Clearly he’s got this thing locked up.

Actually, he’s the one I see going third party (though hopefully Dobson wouldn’t be stupid enough to support him). I see Paul/Kucinich around the corner!

RightWinged on October 9, 2007 at 12:54 AM

So that leaves one to wonder why he’s (Dobson) not actually formally supported him (Mitt Romney), seeing as we’ve basically seen the field we’ll have.
amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 12:46 AM (revised)

Anybody’s best guess, but refer to the article:

James Dobson, said yesterday that the Mormon faith practiced by Governor Romney of Massachusetts could pose a serious obstacle if Mr. Romney makes a bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008

He’s now daisy-pushing-buddy Jerry Falwell didn’t think it would be a problem (refer to my earlier post).

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Why did I know that king of the britons was a paulite?

Ron Paul is ignorant, stupid, and insane.

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 12:55 AM

How dare you! Haven’t you seen the thousands of YouTube comments stating simply “Ron Paul 2008!” Haven’t you seen how those losers wake up in their dorms to repeatedly text bomb Fox News, etc. after GOP debates to make it look like he has support? Clearly he’s got this thing locked up.

Actually, he’s the one I see going third party (though hopefully Dobson wouldn’t be stupid enough to support him). I see Paul/Kucinich around the corner!

RightWinged on October 9, 2007 at 12:54 AM

:rolls eyes:

eanax on October 9, 2007 at 12:57 AM

How many kids has Dobson adopted? Since he’s so pro-life, I’d assume he’d be taking in unwanted kids. ???
SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 12:25 AM
He didn’t adopt any…. He and his wife only have one child, a son.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 12:39 AM

I did find this on Wikipedia: “Dobson and his wife Shirley have two children, Danae and Ryan. Ryan Dobson is a public speaker in his own right, often speaking on issues relating to youth, the philosophical belief in ontological truth, and the pro-life movement. Ryan Dobson was adopted by the Dobsons and is an ardent supporter of adoption, especially adoption of troubled children.”

SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 12:57 AM

Great update Bryan. With that, I wish all of you a good night.

amerpundit on October 9, 2007 at 1:01 AM

3rd party equals lost election for the GOP, Have you all forgotten that because of Ross Perot, Bill Clinton was elected?

robo on October 9, 2007 at 1:01 AM

Ryan Dobson was adopted by the Dobsons and is an ardent supporter of adoption, especially adoption of troubled children.”
SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 12:57 AMSouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 12:57 AM

I stand corrected.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 1:02 AM

There are two basic reasons why the Republicans are going to lose the next election in a gigantic defeat:

1. The money. Hillary has more money than any of the Republicans. The Republicans have, in total, about $36.3 million dollars. The Democrats have, in total, about $59.2 million. The Democrats have more money at this point in time now than Bush did in the last presidential race. The Republicans don’t. The basic problem is, Republicans aren’t getting money from their supporters. Why? Because of Problem #2.

2. The Republican base is completely demoralized and large numbers of them are not donating or becoming involved because of it. Large numbers may also sit out the 2008 race or vote for a protest candidate. Every single Republican out there is demoralized for some reason: the war, the spending, immigration, inaction on the Judges, anger that nothing will be done about Iran, anger over the war management, a perception that the GOP could be fighting more against the MSM’s spin (instead of relying on bloggers), and continued anger that the Republicans still are lying to the base (if they’re not actively insulting them by calling them racists for opposing Bush’s immigration policy).

Informally, many people that I know who would vote for the GOP next time around are ANGRY at the party for betraying its roots. And these are people who, like me, support the war in Iraq. But what have the Republicans done in the past 4 years? Nothing, except selling out the party on Judges, immigration, spending, earmarks, and national security (dubai ports & the “virtual wall”).

And now the base is being pressured to vote for a gun-controling, pro-choice, sanctuary-city, gay-rights Republican. Sorry. In this environment, with people so angry at the GOP, it’s just not going to happen. Maybe if people weren’t mad at the party, and if it fulfilled some of its promises. But now is not the time.

The Republicans deserve to lose. Hillary doesn’t deserve to win, though. But frankly, these days, my attitude is: the worse the better. Time to hit the re-set button methinks.

Sydney Carton on October 9, 2007 at 1:02 AM

We don’t have time for a party purge, and we sure as hell can’t let Hillary have the keys to the White House.

I’d like to see us move in a small gov’t position, but I don’t think anyone will actually do anything more than mouth platitudes, at least for this election cycle.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:35 AM

We are in the second Bush Presidency. How much time does a purge take? Another 4 years? The only purge I see going on is the purge of conservatives from the party core. Tancredo et al being pushed out and isolated for dissent. A bunch at the top went over the hill and now openly carry water for the big boys – Lott, McCain etc.

It is obvious to me that the big shots are trying to get a team of possibles that won’t buck the system but can put on a good face for the skeptical conservative base. In this, Romney is something of a wild card because he really seems to be a moralist. Seems.

In view of the corruption at the top of both parties, the 2nd amendment becomes ever more important. Thus I need to see an absolute public demonstration of love of gun rights that existed long before this year, for a candidate to pass muster with me.

entagor on October 9, 2007 at 1:06 AM

I’ve just never felt that Dobson was terribly relevant, so this doesn’t concern me as much as it does others here — perhaps I’m mistaken. I also think Sean Hannity’s heart is in the right place, but he’s not the best interviewer in the business by a long shot. I thought his interview of Clarence Thomas was a little embarrassing — he just doesn’t have the heft. And why he’s clamoring to convert Dobson to support SOME leading Republican candidate, I can’t figure out.

As for Dobson, whenever I see this guy on television I imagine he’s thinking privately about how foolishly lucky he is to get any air time whatsoever. He’s a bit of a one trick pony.

D2Boston on October 9, 2007 at 1:10 AM

The religious folk are beginning to win me over with their argument. Maybe we shouldn’t worry about Hillary winning. I think it’s time scrape off the religious right and let them form their own party. While we might lose the coming election, we’ll probably take enough moderate votes away from the Dems, come 2012 or 2016. Then it’s a whole new ballgame.

MikeZero on October 9, 2007 at 1:11 AM

I just lost any respect I had left for Dobson. This kind of political stupidity is as wacky and dangerous as anything from the hard Left. He’s almost itching for the chance to help realize al-Qaeda’s dream of a Democrat White House. He can prattle on all he wants about his principles, but if those principles end up forcing a wartime defeat – and Dobson knows full well how likely that would be – on the rest of us, to hell with them.

Halley on October 9, 2007 at 1:16 AM

There are two basic reasons why the Republicans are going to lose the next election in a gigantic defeat:
There are two basic reasons why the Republicans are going to lose the next election in a gigantic defeat:
Sydney Carton on October 9, 2007 at 1:02 AM

You can express your opinion and so can I.

STOP BEING SUCH A DEFEATIST!

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 1:18 AM

We need a Perot without Perot’s nuttiness. I am so tired of ALL politicians. Since the 1st Bush they have collectivly sold our country down the river for the Almighty dollar. they have opened our borders to unrestricted trade and immigration. They have allowed big business to flourish on the backs of the avgerage American.

In their pursuit of world power they have looked upon the world as their plaything and have forgotten that without a strong producing America there will be no freedom in the world.

Abortion? let the damn states/local towns decide. Who the hell am I to tell someone in New York what to do? I hate abortion but I am NOT my brothers keeper. That is God’s job. Same with most crappy laws coming from Washington D.C. Let the damn states decide.

Soon the folks in Washington are going to wake up and find that they are no longer powerful on the world stage because they allowed big business to piss away all of our jobs and technology. That no one in the world no longer wants to support American’s sense of entitlement and that we will become a backwater to the world. Much like Italy or Greece or Britian. Take all 535 of our “leaders” and put them on a deserted island in exile and this country would begin to be great again. Take most of the media with them too.

unseen on October 9, 2007 at 1:20 AM

Actually, I should be more specific… “religious right” is too prone to misinterpretation. Let’s say “Dobsonites”. There are plenty of what I consider to be rational religious folk out there.

MikeZero on October 9, 2007 at 1:22 AM

I stand corrected.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 1:02 AM

As do I!! ;)

I still think it’s a risky strategy at best and foolish at worst to mobilize against Hillary AFTER she’s been elected.

SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 1:25 AM

You can express your opinion and so can I.

STOP BEING SUCH A DEFEATIST!

Most of what I said is completely factual. Much of the base is mad with the Republican party. They’re not donating. The Democrats have more money. That’s a bunch of facts.

Let’s see, what else can we add? Bush’s poll numbers are in the toilet (and so is Congress’s… but Hillary’s poll #s aren’t as bad as Bush’s). There is no clear consensus for a GOP candidate whereas Hillary has all but locked up the Dem nomination (a clear sign of Hillary’s strength).

I think that Hillary will run to the right of Guliani if it’s between them. No liberal Republican has ever, in the history of any election in America, beaten a Democrat that runs to the right of that Republican. Go ahead, try and find me an example, you Poly Sci majors out there. You won’t.

Sydney Carton on October 9, 2007 at 1:27 AM

There’s a much bigger picture here. What people have overlooked is that the Republicans have alienated many mainstream conservative and moderate voters by betraying their reformist instincts; the post-Newt years of Republican control (1998-2006) descended into a gaudy carnival of wasteful spending and corruption. Of course the Pelosi Democrats are worse, but they’re SUPPOSED to be the party of waste, corruption and fiscal irresponsibility. By alienating a sizable chunk of their natural constituency, the Republicans have left themselves overly dependent on single-issue hayseeds like Dobson, who is poised to stab them in the back, a la Nader re the Democrats in 2000. So if Hillary wins next year, don’t blame Dobson (who’s simply enjoying the spotlight, as moralizing egotists are wont to do), blame the ‘98-06 Congressional Republicans, who did their level best to completely trash the GOP “brand” and ultimately succeeded, at least for now.

Travis Bickle on October 9, 2007 at 1:29 AM

Rudy may be flawed, but Hillary is a flaw.

(You either choose a vehicle that drives forward at paltry 25 mph, or you can get one that goes a zippy 100 mph… but only runs backward.)

Purity is good for the FDA not the POTUS.

Because you sometimes need a son of a bitch to fight worse s.o.b.’s

SEE: The Jihad.

profitsbeard on October 9, 2007 at 1:37 AM

By alienating a sizable chunk of their natural constituency, the Republicans have left themselves overly dependent on single-issue hayseeds like Dobson, who is poised to stab them in the back, a la Nader re the Democrats in 2000. So if Hillary wins next year, don’t blame Dobson (who’s simply enjoying the spotlight, as moralizing egotists are wont to do), blame the ‘98-06 Congressional Republicans, who did their level best to completely trash the GOP “brand” and ultimately succeeded, at least for now.

Bingo. Great summary. That’s it, in a nutshell. The GOP’s credibility has been shot from years of broken promises and mismanagement. “Please elect the GOP because we really mean it this time” isn’t going to cut it anymore.

Sydney Carton on October 9, 2007 at 1:40 AM

We are suppose to be living in a representative democracy where the values expressed in our laws are reflective of the values of our population. Only a radical fringe of our population believes that abortion is the equivalent of killing babies. Why oh why does the GOP let this radical fringe have veto rights over its nominee? Rudy has a position that is consistent with 80% of the population and this fanatic Dobson is telling us he is unacceptable… that’s just nutz, any anyone who doesn’t see that is nutz too.

P.S. Bryan should be banned from commenting on Rudy. He is biased, and I get embarrased for Hot Air every time he predicts “bimbo eruptions” — that’s just stupid.

tommylotto on October 9, 2007 at 1:57 AM

Only a radical fringe of our population believes that abortion is the equivalent of killing babies. Why oh why does the GOP let this radical fringe have veto rights over its nominee? Rudy has a position that is consistent with 80% of the population and this fanatic Dobson is telling us he is unacceptable… that’s just nutz, any anyone who doesn’t see that is nutz too.

Did you even read the link you posted? According to that poll, as of 25% of the country wants abortion banned, and 39% want stricter limits on it. That adds up to about 64% of the country moving in a pro-life direction. Seems to me that Rudy has a position that is inconsistent with that majority.

Sydney Carton on October 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

As an evangelical conservative Republican, I have only once in my life voted for someone that I knew had a pro-choice platform, and have been known to abstain from voting if the Rep candidate was pro-choice. In spite of that, because of the war on terror, I had decided to vote for Guiliani in the election if he is the Rep candidate.
After reading some of these responses, I am greatly tempted to change my mind. I have always voted for who I chose, not even considering what the so-called “leaders” of the evangelicals say. I do, however, greatly respect Mr. Dobson, and have for years, even though I don’t always agree with what he says.
I expect to be maligned as a evangelical conservative by liberal Democrats, but when fellow Republicans speak of evangelical conservatives with such venom, it makes me think that there is no place in the Republican party for me either. If that is the case, why should I even bother voting for Guiliani?
I’m not some mind-numbed robot just mindlessly following Christian leaders, and I’m also not a mind-numbed robot who will automatically vote Republican. I’d rather vote for a third party than be labeled an “extremist” by my own party. (Maybe I will take Mike Zero’s suggestion, after being a Republican for almost 25 years.)
By the way, about 90% of my close friends are evangelical conservative Reps too, and I can’t remember one of them who even bothered to listen to Falwell, Dobson, or any other “leader” when it came to their vote. They voted the for the person that they felt would be the best for the country, just as most people do, and have always voted Republican.
Sorry this was so long, but these Dobson threads have really made me angry lately.

Jodella on October 9, 2007 at 2:07 AM

The first Repub. candidate who says “I reject all forms of religious fanaticism” gets my vote.

Ditto for me, politics and religion do not mix and were never supposed to.

AprilOrit on October 9, 2007 at 2:16 AM

AHEM . . . ’scuze me . . .
James Dobson’s comments are consistent with his world-view. A world-view that he has held for a long-long time. He is far from an “egotistical moralist” – far from the Right Wing Religious whacko that he is pictured as being. That picture comes from those folks whose only exposure to Dobson comes from the occasional NYT/WaPo article or TV appearances.
He is steadfastly, consistently, uncompromisingly principled.
That makes him totally unusable by the standards of both parties.

least1 on October 9, 2007 at 2:28 AM

By the way, about 90% of my close friends are evangelical conservative Reps too, and I can’t remember one of them who even bothered to listen to Falwell, Dobson, or any other “leader” when it came to their vote. They voted the for the person that they felt would be the best for the country, just as most people do, and have always voted Republican.
Sorry this was so long, but these Dobson threads have really made me angry lately.

Jodella on October 9, 2007 at 2:07 AM

Totally agree with you. In so many ways, I can say that I’m not leaving the Republican Party, the Party’s leaving me.
I want no part of what they seem to be striving for.

OT: Looking at the time stamp on your comment, you’re either on the left coast or an insomniac.

least1 on October 9, 2007 at 2:41 AM

Dobson’s “principles” will put HillBilly back into the White House; how does that help the “unborn”? He is, in effect if not intent, working to preserve and even increase abortion if he acts to spoil a Republican nominee; we can forget about ever achieving a conservative working majority on the Supreme Court and finally undoing Roe v. Wade and other travesties. Either Dobson is a ruthless cynic who’s fondly looking forward to railing hysterically against President Rodham Clinton and the potential for extra fundraising, or he is, shall we say, a man of rigid and limited intellectual horizons. Either way, he and his views became fair game for criticism and even attack once he inserted himself into a partisan political discussion.

Travis Bickle on October 9, 2007 at 3:05 AM

I am an evangelical, actively pro-life, and a Dobson fan in most cases; I can sorta see where he’s coming from, and he is a much better man than a lot of people here are giving him credit for.

That being said, I just have to wonder if he’s forgotten what the Clinton years were like. Nothing can justify assisting a return to that by supporting a third-party. Rudy may be pro-choice, but he’s not actively an abortion-promoter like Hillary. In any case, we’ve had a pro-life President with a Republican congress for several years now, and even they didn’t do as much as I would expect to promote a culture of life.

Ultimately, I don’t think legislation is as important as working with women considering abortion. The majority of women who get abortions have personal moral objections to it, but feel like they have no alternative. Being there to inform, support, counsel, love, and offer hope to these women in their moment of need will do more good than legislation that will get tied up in courts for years and provide a rallying cry for the left. A Giuliani presidency (though not my first choice) doesn’t really worry me from a pro-life perspective, but Clinton would definitely work against every single value that Dobson and I hold dear.

tikvah on October 9, 2007 at 4:07 AM

Did you even read the link you posted? According to that poll, as of 25% of the country wants abortion banned, and 39% want stricter limits on it. That adds up to about 64% of the country moving in a pro-life direction. Seems to me that Rudy has a position that is inconsistent with that majority.

Sydney Carton on October 9, 2007 at 2:02 AM

You do not know how to read polls or you are spinning. Only one poll had the number as high as 25%. Most of the polls cited had the number under 20%. Some were as low as 13%. That is the only portion of the population that this nut Dobson thinks will go to heaven. All the others support murder and are on the fast track straight to hell.

The portion of the population wanting stricter limits still are for legal abortion and do not adhere to Dobson’s radical view that abortion is the equivalent of murder. Rudy too is for reasonable restrictions on abortion. So, that portion of the population is much closer to Rudy that the hard-liner Dobson.

tommylotto on October 9, 2007 at 4:12 AM

tikvah – Nice handle, positive post with an interesting approach, thanks.

saus on October 9, 2007 at 5:17 AM

Dobson asserts that he has lived by principles and has “always lived up to them.” Gosh, I wish I were perfect.

windbag on October 9, 2007 at 5:50 AM

RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 10:48 PM

I seem to remember you claiming that voting for someone who supports abortion is akin to murder. Exceptions are now being made?

Nonfactor on October 9, 2007 at 6:42 AM

Score, pulled another RonPaul supporter out of the woodwork!

Look, I respect his small gov’t beliefs, but his foreign policy positions are too much, while I’m not super hawkish, I’m not an isolationist, not to mention his paranoia thinking the Bush admin is gonna try and fabricate an incident to take a swipe at Iran. That and the craziness with fiat money and the gold standard.

Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:47 AM

Why did I know that king of the britons was a paulite?

Ron Paul is ignorant, stupid, and insane.

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 12:55 AM

Bad Candy – Paul doesn’t trust the government – you may call that insane or wacky, but I call it the right way to look at government. He is for free and open trade – how is that isolationist? How can you argue that we had to go and fight Osama bin Laden after WE trained and equipped him and his fighters during the Soviet Afghans War and we had to go and fight Saddam Hussein who WE supported during the Iran Iraq war? His views on how we should interact with other countries and their conflicts are in keeping with how our Founding Fathers believed we should deal with other countries and their conflicts – stay out of them. His positions on the gold standard and fiat money are craziness? How is it okay for the government to CONSISTENTLY spend more money than it makes? You cannot do that or you would be thrown in jail. The difference is that if you spend more money than you make, you cannot go down into your basement and fire up your money printing machine – but the government can and does ALL OF THE TIME. This just devalues the money you have in your pockets and continues to foster and propagate an already leviathan and out of control federal government. That Ron Paul recognizes this and calls our government for this is not craziness.

csdeven – you epitomize the arrogant, condescending, elitist attitude on this blog with your comments. You are no different than the liberals at the Daily Kos or the HuffPo. You want power and will not let something as trivial as principle stop you. You call names to anyone who does not share your lust for power. Call me anything that you like, but at the end of the day, Hillary will be President and you will still be an unprincipled power whore wondering why people didn’t vote for the latest Republican big-government, establishment, screw-the-base candidate.

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 7:14 AM

Here is the bottom line.

1. Rudy does not hold conservative positions on most of his positions.
2. Rudy cant win
3. Someone else can.
4. Find the one who can win and get behind him

moughon on October 9, 2007 at 8:02 AM

This is what the Republican party gets for the Bush/Rove method of paying lip service to socons and then doing absolutely nothing to advance their platform.

People are deluded if they think that part of the base is going to allow themselves to be used over and over and over again.

VinceP1974 on October 9, 2007 at 8:10 AM

Once again,, I have admired Mr. Dobson in the past. He has stood for great things and taken a lot of arrows from a lot of libs. You know,,, it is entirely possible that he is merely trying to influence the primaries. The statement that it may actually be better if Hillary were elected,,, that is just so wrong. I do not in any way want Rudy to be my only choice. But if the choice is only Rudy and any Democrat left standing,, especially Hitlery,, I will vote Rudy. He sounds like the loons that pushed Hindenburg to appoint Hitler Chancellor, thinking they would be able to control Hitler behind the scenes. The statement that it would be a lot easier to mobilize against Hitlery and not Rudy is just not playing with a full deck here. Yeah,,, that’s like saying it’ll be a lot easier to mobilize once we’re all together in prison than trying to call everyone at home! Dobson is starting to sound like one of those principled religious leaders of long ago. “I am just too principled to stop and help an unclean Samaritan.” “I am just too principled to eat meat offered to idols” No,, in this case,, it sounds like,, “I am just too principled to give meat that was offered to idols to starving children. Better they starve to death in their dying fathers arms than to fill their stomachs with meat laying at the foot of an idol.” Or shall I go even one further??,,,, “I am just too principled to walk with a man who heals the sick and casts out demons on the Sabbath, I am just too principled to walk with a man who hangs around prostitutes and tax collectors.” I write this about Mr Dobson with a little fear and sadness. I do respect this man,, and would never mock him or what he believes or the work he has done. But,, with all my heart,, I believe he is seriously wrong here. And he is beginning to sound a little “too religious.” When he goes to the store to buy his food,,, will he only purchase from Christians?? Will he accept his mail if it is only delivered by pro life Christians?? If a son or daughter, God forbid,, in an emergency needed a life flight to the hospital,, will he ask first if the pilot of the copter is a pro-lifer and for the gay marriage amendment?? Will he forbid the doctor at the ER from delivering life saving surgery or treatment if he/she is not of the right mindset on all the right issues,, testifying to the doctor that he has “worked so hard for so many years raising his child, instilling the right principles and is not going to throw it all away now!”

So,, I ask all principled Christians around here,,, again,, if you had the deciding vote in an election, this being prewar Germany, and the laws were such that,, should there be a tie vote, the party in the majority would elect the chancellor(Nazi party is in clear majority),, Hitler was at 50, Rudy was at 50 and a Christian pro lifer was at 5 votes,, who would you vote for?? Don’t criticize me or my scenario,, just state who you would vote for. You are a Christian of principle and your principles never change and you are never going to sell them out,, state your vote for all to see!!

JellyToast on October 9, 2007 at 8:10 AM

King of the Britons on October 9, 2007 at 7:14 AM

I never called you anything but a Paulite. Aren’t you proud of your support of Ron Paul?

1) The founding fathers NEVER envisioned the world we live in today.
2) This is a global economy whether we like it or not.
3) Paul thinks if we just play nice, so will everyone else. This is stupidity and ignorant and borders on willful delusional thinking.
4) We aligned ourselves with the soviets to defeat the bigger threat, and promptly became an enemy of the soviets the second the war was over. Our support of Saddam was the same exact thing.

Paul’s ideas sound great on paper, but in the real world, his ideas in practice, would destroy this country from the inside.

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 8:11 AM

If it is so difficult for him to explain, then maybe he should stop talking.

He said that if Hillary gets in, we,the conservative movement, could fight her on any abortion legislation, but if Rudy gets in, there will be no fight, it will be silence.

I would say that that is a man that doesn’t even pay attention to theconservative base..maybe he has lost touch.

To steal from SNL, Really? Really Dr. Dobson?

Pam on October 9, 2007 at 8:29 AM

Wow, you people are still treating Rudy like the messiah. Rudy won’t beat Hillary because Hillary is to the right of Rudy on many issues (war, guns . . . ).

The polls show that McCain has a better chance of beating Hillary. McCain is the best candidate for beating Hillary, but most people on this board would ‘never vote for him because of amnesty’.

I’d take an amnesty (try to build a fence) guy who was elected in a state where illegal immigration is a major problem over someone whose main positive is he was mayor when he got attacked and 3000 of his constituents got killed.

Why didn’t the mayor of Honolulu win the presidency after Pearl Harbor?

Plus, McCain is to the right of Hillary on most important positions (war, guns . . . )

But I forgot, Rudy is the messiah. You can always blame his loss to Hillary on the ’single issue Christian voters’.

The more I think about it, I think it has something to do with Catholics appalled that a non-Catholic Christian can call out a Catholic on Christian principles. Never mind that many Catholic priests agree and wouldn’t give Rudy communion. I just think that Catholics (like Hannity) are offended.

ThackerAgency on October 9, 2007 at 8:31 AM

Hey Thacker, let me bring you up to speed here…the discussion involved a run-off between Rudy and Hillary..that was the scenario presented…

Watch the video and read the post provided, and then make comments…it’s not that difficult.

Pam on October 9, 2007 at 8:39 AM

His final point is sound. Supporting a Republican who acts like a Democrat means you no longer have a party.

Rush, Hannity, et al. have strongly supported Bush in the last 7 years. Because Bush is a liberal, the support has been defensive in nature. Anyone want to go on offense supporting huge spending, open borders, and the religion of peace?

We will lose the war if we continue this strategy of supporting RINOs.

Dobson is right- better to play defense with Hillary than offense with a quarterback from the other team.

Valiant on October 9, 2007 at 8:41 AM

Exit question: Is he seriously citing Rudy’s appointments of municipal court judges as evidence of how he’d make Supreme Court picks?

AllahPundit

Uh…yes? How else would anyone guess what kind of judges he would appoint, other than to look at what kind of judges he has appointed? Or is this a New York Lawyer Trick Question?

Jaibones on October 9, 2007 at 9:10 AM

That said…Dobson is a douche.

Jaibones on October 9, 2007 at 9:11 AM

He’s a man of principle and his principles are sound

Everybody thinks they are standing on principle. The fact is he would elect someone infinitively worse than his other choices…because the choices don’t have “perfect principles”.

Why is it these guys get a religious following, then try to convert them to a political group.

He should do exactly what he was called to do, what his gifts are…lead people to Christ, not to his political agenda. Dobson’s ego, thinks it is HIS ego.

Here is a hint: Focus on the Family, not the circus.

right2bright on October 9, 2007 at 9:17 AM

What sort of weak-minded idiots do what some dude like this tells them to in the first place? And why is somebody like Hannity sitting here stroking this losers ego?

DaveS on October 8, 2007 at 10:56 PM

My memory is weak, but quite recently someone posted exerpts from a survey of conservative bloggers, listing the “20 people commonly associated with the political right that you like the least”, and douchebag Hannity was number 18, I think.

He is weak.

Jaibones on October 9, 2007 at 9:17 AM

Uh…yes? How else would anyone guess what kind of judges he would appoint, other than to look at what kind of judges he has appointed? Or is this a New York Lawyer Trick Question?

The mayor of New York doesn’t have the power to pick his own judges. As mayor, Giuliani had to choose from a slate of candidates chosen by someone else. So none of the candidates were “his” in any meaningful sense.

Slublog on October 9, 2007 at 9:25 AM

Dobson makes good points, he is certainly correct about Rudy not being a tolerable choice. But I don’t agree with his idea to run a third party candidate, that I’m sure will only give the election to Hillary. The Right would be better off to get behind Huckabee who is a much, much better choice than Rudy the RINO or Mitt the slick RINO.

I like Dobson, I think his heart is in the right place. But it’s times like these I miss Jerry Falwell who I think could persuade Dobson that a third party candidate won’t work for us.

Maxx on October 9, 2007 at 9:29 AM

The man thinks abortion is murder, and I agree. I’ve been struggling, a little, with what I’ll do if Rudy gets the nomination, so I can definitely see where he’s coming from.
What I don’t get, is why so many seem to think it makes him bad, or that he’s doing the party wrong.
I don’t subscribe to Dobson’s newsletter, but if he slows this party’s drift leftward with this, I won’t hate him.

thebriand on October 9, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Dobson finally came clean in the last bit of video: He would, in fact, prefer a Hillary presidency to a Giuliani one. His strategic reasoning isn’t absurd, if one is boresighted on abortion and the political cohesion of evangelical politics–an outright enemy in the White House is more likely to incense the “tribe,” motivating it to band together. A more ambivalent figure won’t trigger such intense emotions.

Unfortunately, I fear he either underestimates or simply doesn’t care about the profound and essentially irreversible damage that Hillary will wreak in virtually all other arenas of public policy. Worse, I fear he might not fully appreciate the power and utter ruthlessness of the Clintons (and there should be no question that he’ll be having to contend with both of them again). If they manage to re-take the presidency, it will be with a vengeance, and if Dobson or any other Clinton enemy thinks his movement is going to coast through their regime unscathed, he will likely be in for some rude surprises. The highest Clinton priority will not be to govern, but to do whatever they can think of and get away with to ensure that Republicans are at a disadvantage in all future American elections. That bodes more ill for Dobson’s evangelicals than he seems to grasp.

Blacklake on October 9, 2007 at 10:16 AM

I still think it’s a risky strategy at best and foolish at worst to mobilize against Hillary AFTER she’s been elected.
SouthernGent on October 9, 2007 at 1:25 AM

Precisely.

Now is the time to choose the candidate in the primary that has strongest conservative credentials,

–has been the most successful outside of being president,

- and one whom Hillary cannot say

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 10:31 AM

It is a pleasure to be here among such wonderful conservatives and I am grateful. Thank you Michelle and Bryan.

Dr. Dobson has been well admired by many in the Conservative community for decades. There is no doubt that he believes his principles to be paramount. He is taking a very unpopular and difficult position relative to third party politics and seems to be painfully aware of that fact. .

For some time on Free Republic, I used the tagline “drive the fight to the right”. Here’s the point; going into a negotiation it is a pathetically poor tactic to go in and announce what you will be willing to settle for. It would do those who are pro life little good to walk into this fight saying , “We believe in life but because it isn’t practical, we are willing to wave that stance”.

Earlier in this ridiculously long campaign, folks would give those who did not support Rudy out of the box were often given a hard time because “he’s the only one that can beat Hillary, you’ll put her directly into the Whitehouse if we nominate so and so”. Even if you buy that argument, how do conservatives fight for the preservation of the constitution, if we acquiesce early in the game to the principles of others and thus fail to “drive the fight to the right”?

It is possible that simply the fear of the creation of a third party may jostle the powers that be to do all they can to nominate someone who is committed to conservative principles in order to win. It would be the political equivalent to providing a “date certain” (and boy do I hate that expression) for a pull out of our victorious troops in the Middle East.

Why not just announce to the opposition just when and where they can show up for the surrender ceremony? Just the possibility of the creation of a third party will cause the other side to move THEIR fight to the right, if only in public.

Look how the candidates have already shifted their positions on the fence. Did that happened because we stood together and said, “Well o.k., if you say so, then I guess we can go along”?

There is a sublime difference between working through our issues and disagreements, and trying to destroy those on your own side who disagree with the method by which we achieve our goals.

As RR said (paraphrasing), “What Republicans are best at is to form a circle and begin shooting”.

Let’s not; at least this time.

HonestConservative on October 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM

and one whom Hillary cannot say……

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 10:31 AM

…..SMACK ABOUT WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE A FOOL.

Mcguyver on October 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM

I don’t see why they can’t just agree to vote for him and be very specific about what they agree with Rudy on vs. what they dont. And if elected let it be known they will put his feet to the fire if he does certain social Lib things, etc.

the thing is, if they did that it could force Rudy to govern more socially conservative than he is, because he would need to keep the Social Con base in tact to save political capital to get other things accomplished…

jp on October 9, 2007 at 10:34 AM

In spite of that, because of the war on terror, I had decided to vote for Guiliani in the election if he is the Rep candidate.
After reading some of these responses, I am greatly tempted to change my mind.
Jodella on October 9, 2007 at 2:07 AM

I started the thread with the determination to support Guiliani if it came to that. After reading the thread, I am wondering if I’m in the right party. Why the venom? “STFU” and “Go f*** yourself” are not parts of an intellectual debate.

craig on October 9, 2007 at 10:37 AM

Jaibones on October 9, 2007 at 9:10 AM

the judges he appointed as mayor was a totally different process than Judges for Scotus and federal bench. as mayor, he was given a list of judges and most of the time the list was of nothing but Dem judges. Further, that type of judge can’t really legislate from the bench.

jp on October 9, 2007 at 10:37 AM

The GOP elite have abandoned small gov’t ideals entirely, and no matter what we do they don’t respond, and they’re entrenched in that position, and it doesn’t matter who gets in, they’ll cave and gov’t will grow.

Ronald Reagan was not able to get rid of any of the ‘butter’ programs started by LBJ or FDR….not a one, its not politically possible, the “GOP elite” are responding to that fact and trying to limit new advances and place capitalist principles in others. Its a natural thing on their part, to recognize a failure and try a new strategy. The only way we can have small govt. again is a reveloution and mass transformation of our culture.

jp on October 9, 2007 at 10:44 AM

1. he likes throwing his influence around.
2. He is on Cankles payroll.
3. He’ll kill more babies by getting Shrillery elected.
4. He is a fool.
5. I don’t think he is a Christian.

But I agree that Rudy is not ready for primetime and I don’t see where Dems killing their babies as a bad thing.

Fred will get the nomination anyway.

TheSitRep on October 9, 2007 at 10:51 AM

Like I said here yesterday, his “principles” and $150 will get me a late-term abortion in any city in the nation once Hillary’s elected. The first Repub. candidate who says “I reject all forms of religious fanaticism” gets my vote.

Rational Thought on October 8, 2007 at 10:49 PM

Well said!

TheSitRep on October 9, 2007 at 10:52 AM

5. I don’t think he is a Christian.

You mean because he isn’t Catholic? Or do you mean because of that verse in your Christian Bible that says ‘Judge not lest ye be Judged’ doesn’t pertain to whether or not you JUDGE him to be Christian (much like someone who is not Christian)?

ThackerAgency on October 9, 2007 at 11:11 AM

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