Video: Hannity begs Dobson not to make Hillary president
posted at 10:44 pm on October 8, 2007 by Allahpundit
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To no avail. The money part comes at the end, when he explains why it would actually be better for Hillary to be president than Rudy. For him, that is. Not for you.
I snipped out the obligatory reminder that he’s speaking solely in his capacity as a private citizen, no different from you or I, which I guess explains why he got 25 minutes on the second-most widely watched news show on cable to expound on his opposition to Giuliani.
Exit question: Is he seriously citing Rudy’s appointments of municipal court judges as evidence of how he’d make Supreme Court picks?
More (Bryan): I respect Dr. Dobson and admire his principles and even some of his thinking in this interview. I don’t agree with his conclusions, but I respect how he gets there. He’s a man of principle and his principles are sound. I do think that he’s mistaking the world of politics as a place where perfection and purity are possible, when it’s neither. It’s not even close.
The most fundamental problem that I see in his conclusion is that he knows full well that if he siphons off even a percent or two from the GOP candidate to some doomed third party candidate, he will be handing the election to a radical pro-choice candidate who among other things is likely to be very bad on the war and awful across a whole range of issues that Dobson rightly holds dear. And the rest of the GOP will end up blaming him and social conservatives for her ascension to power.
But on the other hand, supporting a GOP candidate who stands at odds with most of the things Dobson and other social conservatives have fought for, for decades, may well have the unintended consequence of further marginalizing social conservatives. Most Republicans who aren’t all that socially conservative will probably celebrate that, but the long term effect of that will probably be to weaken the GOP as a broadly conservative coalition. The social cons are in many ways the anchor that keeps the party conservative, and without them we’ll have a much weakened GOP that may remain fiscally conservative but otherwise probably won’t stand for very much. Some may argue that independents will be more attracted to the GOP if the social cons aren’t there, and that may be true, but it seems unlikely to me that enough independents will become solid Republicans to replace the social cons as a movement. Independents aren’t exactly known for their loyalty to anything in particular when it comes to politics and don’t fuel lasting or effective movements. They tend to shift with the wind. That’s what makes many of them independents.
Social cons are really looking at a landscape with few good options in front of us. The strongest socially conservative candidate still standing is probably McCain, but he has had the habit of betraying conservative principles when it suits him, and he’s not going to last much longer anyway. Given Romney’s zigzagging on so many issues, it’s fair to wonder who he really is. And I say that as someone who generally likes him. Fred hasn’t shown much fire yet and hasn’t moved up on Giuliani in the polls very much. Hunter and Huckabee and Tancredo and the rest just don’t seem to have a shot, which is unfortunate and may be a sign of things to come: The most solidly and uncompromisingly conservative candidates probably have the least chance of winning. That’s probably due to their particular backgrounds and biographies, but it also may tell us something about where the party may be heading.
So with few good options and the likelihood of a Giuliani vs Clinton race, what do we do? I’m struggling with the question myself, but I don’t think it’s a good idea except as a way of warning to do what Dr. Dobson is doing now. It’s fine to warn the party that you aren’t happy with the candidates and that you’ll do what you can to hold the party to its conservative principles no matter who wins the primary. I don’t think it’s wise to toy with third party talk. He didn’t do much of that in the interview tonight, but he has been doing it here and there in recent weeks. That’s the nuclear option in my opinion, but it’s being deployed against one’s own party. It’s really a Samson strategy, and deploying it will bring the house down upon us. Would that get us closer to or farther away from becoming a more conservative country? It’s hard to argue that handing the presidency to the likes of Hillary Clinton can do much but damage the country as a whole and the conservative movement in particular.
Now, all of that said, I’d still like to point out that it’s not demagoguery for Dr. Dobson to offer his opinion on Giuliani. The fact is, Giuliani’s record is what it is. Much of it is very good, and I agree with George Will that Giuliani’s mayoral record is strikingly conservative in many ways. It’s also strikingly liberal in many ways and strikingly wrongheaded in a couple of ways. Giuliani’s marital record is fair game because of how Giuliani himself has handled his private life, and I do fear that we may be setting ourselves up for bimbo eruptions if he’s in the White House. That kind of thing just seems to have been wired into him. It’s not demagoguery to wonder about any of that, to dread it happening, and to point out that you have problems with some or all of it. It’s politics and it’s life. We could do with less name-calling on our side among fellow Republicans, just as we could do with fewer third-party warnings of the kind that Dr. Dobson has been floating.
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This interviewed caused me to lose any respect for Dobson I may have had. His point is essentially “I won’t compromise my principles by voting for any of the top GOP candidates, because they don’t agree with me 100%, so I’ll vote for a third party, despite the fact that I KNOW this will guarantee a victory for Hillary.”
He claims it’s all about abortion and gay marriage, etc. Okay, but how is guaranteeing Hillary a victory going to help those? It could only be worse than Rudy or Fred, so STFU Dobson. What an idiot.
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Like I said here yesterday, his “principles” and $150 will get me a late-term abortion in any city in the nation once Hillary’s elected. The first Repub. candidate who says “I reject all forms of religious fanaticism” gets my vote.
Rational Thought on October 8, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Uff. Once again, it seems some religious folks believe it’s a sin to vote for a “sinner,” but not to allow a even bigger “sinner” to be elected. I dunno about your Jebus, but my Jebus would be wise to that kinda dumb, and at least give you a Heavenly beatdown at the end of it all.
Hannibal Smith on October 8, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Go f*** yourself and stick that “religious folks” garbage up your a$$, Hannibal. And I’m far from defending Dobson (I’m commenter #1 bashing him here), but you’re a real scumbag for making that comment.
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 10:53 PM
*yawns* So it’s wrong for people to vote however they feel now? I for one won’t vote for Rudy, so according to you guys I should vote for Hillary instead, right? I guess I was foolish enough to believe that we could vote any way we want.
ViperPilot on October 8, 2007 at 10:54 PM
What sort of weak-minded idiots do what some dude like this tells them to in the first place? And why is somebody like Hannity sitting here stroking this losers ego?
DaveS on October 8, 2007 at 10:56 PM
ViperPilot on October 8, 2007 at 10:54 PM
What are you talking about?
DaveS on October 8, 2007 at 10:57 PM
Hannity softballs any interview with anyone that he feels is on our side, so when he interviewed Voinivich, he went aggro, but most other GOPers he’ll throw softballs.
Bad Candy on October 8, 2007 at 10:58 PM
So sticking to your convictions on human life is religious fanaticism?
I think Dobson made a great point about the momentum of the pro-life movement if a conservative who is abortion-tolerant gets elected.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 10:59 PM
We’re in the primaries for goodness sakes, stop supporting a gun grabbing, baby killing, illegal loving, cross dresser!
These are the people we want to weed OUT during the primaries!
Have you people lost your minds?
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Hannity is a turd. I cannot stand him. He uses weak arguments when there are far better ones to use – consistently he does his. It’s very irritating. He walks into traps set by the guests every time. I wanna strangle him.
I’m sure its harder on TV doing it live, but still. He gets paid the big bucks not to look like a dumb-ass each time. That’s Colmes’ job.
lorien1973 on October 8, 2007 at 11:02 PM
When I hear Dobson speaking on the issues,his principles,
were been set-up to lose,I understand morally taking the high ground,but lets not forget,Liberals have no morals,or principles.Liberals will get elected,by lying,
and telling the people what they want to hear.
canopfor on October 8, 2007 at 11:02 PM
I love Dr. Dobson, but I think he is way wrong here. Hillary as president is just not allowable. PERIOD.
Dobson may be against much of what Rudy stands for, and vice versa. But here is the difference: Rudy can be convinced to change his position; Hillary cannot, nor is there EVER a chance of her taking the advice of someone like Dr. Dobson, no matter what he fantasizes he can do to work against her agenda.
ToddonCapeCod on October 8, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Get ready for at least four years of the Clintons — again.
eanax on October 8, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Just look at all the people here bashing Dobson and those who agree with his opinions. This place seems to be slowly adopting the vitriol that the Kos Kids use.
ViperPilot on October 8, 2007 at 11:04 PM
Must…resist…Dobson…thread.
If we believe Dobson is wrong, why shouldn’t we disagree with what he’s saying? Did I miss a memo?
I guess I was foolish enough to believe that we could express our opinions any way we want.
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Illogical.
If Hillary becomes President it will be because the Republican party has failed the American people, not because Dobbs has “Made Hillary President”.
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:07 PM
Blush.
Or Dobson!
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:07 PM
Hannity is a turd….
Lorien1973 on October 8,2007 at 11:02PM
I understand your frustration,but as a Republican
on the radio he is affective.If Shaun Hannity ever
does something really stupid,to embarress the party,
then I will agree with you.
canopfor on October 8, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Why? Please explain why the country will only accept a Republican who wants to either kill babies or give away our country to the 3rd world while taking away our means to defend ourselves & at the same time, pushing the gay agenda down our throats (no pun).
Explain to me where this revelation came from. How did we get to the point where we have to accept any of this?
I think alot of you people are just plain scared of Hil & are willing to abandon who you are at the drop of a hat because of it.
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:10 PM
You stay classy, social cons.
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:10 PM
No, it will happen because the party is ideologically divided. This particular political faction is dividing into at least two other factions.
eanax on October 8, 2007 at 11:11 PM
What a terrible thing to have lost one’s mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is.
- Dan Quayle
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Well alright then. Sorry to ruffle your feathers, RW. I find myself defending the rights of the faithful to my atheist (and , sadly, also leftist) friends quite often lately. But Scumbag or not, in my mind there is no excuse, no conceivable (at this point) reason, no chance that should be taken that would allow another Clinton presidency.
Ideological purists always come up with the argument that the nation “needs” four or eight years to see “just how bad it can get” before it turns around back to its values. In almost every instance I call BS, but no more so than now. The GOP has fumbled so often, and given so much ground up to this point; we can afford no more. Not one smarmy, Progressive inch.
Hannibal Smith on October 8, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Disagree: Yes! Bash: It’s getting tired!
There is a difference. The Kos folks are good at bashing. It masks their deficiency in intellectual discourse. I’d like to believe we are more articulate.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
I assure you that it was Hannity that wanted Dobson and not the other way around. It is guys like Hannity and YOU AP who give this guy more credit than he deserves. Most evangelicals are more individualistic than you want to give them credit for.
I personally believe that Hillary is to the right of Rudy on most of the issues I care about. I wouldn’t vote for Hillary, but I don’t see voting for Rudy as being better (my personal opinion that I would re-state if I was on Hannity’s show).
Disagree if you like, but if it is a Guiliani/Clinton general election, I guarantee you that Hillary will run to the right of Rudy. It’s the only thing that could keep the ‘anti-Hillary’ vote from coming out (the fact that many conservatives disagree with Rudy as much as they disagree with Hillary).
And it is also disingenuous to say that Dobson’s stance or anyone who might be against Rudy is a single issue voter over abortion. That is a vast over-simplification of what Conservative voters feel towards Rudy.
ThackerAgency on October 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
That too.
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM
I listened to Sean’s radio show the other day and Dobson was making the same arguments. I didn’t get to watch the interview, so I am not sure if he repeated the following point here. Dobson said that he cannot separate someone’s private morals from their public ones. I would have to agree. While I don’t expect perfection, we have elected far too many in this country that follow the “do as I say, not as I do” mentality.
We need men and women (not Hillary!) who do have strong moral character, publicly and privately. I am tired of settling for the lesser of two evils. I’m not saying 3rd party is the way to go, but I am examining the candidates much more closely.
I heard this the other day and could not agree more.
“To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
simon on October 8, 2007 at 11:14 PM
You all look like happy campers to me. Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you will always be.
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:14 PM
I can’t stand him either, I’ve said it before. I swear I wanna chuck the remote through the TV every time I hear his “crummy indefensible things prominent leftists have said lately” litany yet again.
Bad Candy on October 8, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Mr. Dobson, I’d like to invite you to go have sex with yourself … in um, less polite terms.
I can understand not thinking Rudy’s the best candidate within the Republican field, but worth shunning at the risk of getting Hillary???
Go ahead, James – help Hillary get elected, and see if that really does benefit you, or if it, on the contrary, absolutely destroys your standing with the conservative movement. You’ll be lucky to get a needy dog to follow you after that.
thirteen28 on October 8, 2007 at 11:16 PM
As would I. Unfortunately, though, some on this site are comparing support for Giuliani with oral sex. That may be colorful, but it’s hardly articulate.
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:16 PM
Rudy has better legs than Hillary? That’s about the only thing I can think of.
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:16 PM
Clean up the comments, lads, or the hammer is coming out.
Allahpundit on October 8, 2007 at 11:17 PM
That’s all fine and good, and sounds like you agree with what I’m saying (in general). But all that “Jebus” nonsense is obnoxious, elitist liberal bull****, and it wasn’t necessary. There are hundreds of millions of other Christians in this country, don’t attack them all simply because Dobson is a fricken’ moron.
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:18 PM
We are more articulate!
Dere done be a difference. What it is, Mama! De Kos folks are baaaaaad at bashin’. It max’s deir deficiency in intellectualated discoursin. What it is, Mama! I’d likes t’believe we are mo’e articulated. What it is, Mama!
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:19 PM
I suppose Dobson also would not find Saul (who became Paul) electable because of his past. Not to mention King David (whose documented atrocities can be found in the Old Testament). You know, the bible is full of imperfect people who became great leaders, yet, based on Dobson’s argument, it seems no one is ever really electable because of their past. I think all this is more about Dobson than principal. It’s his 15 minutes of fame (that comes around every 4 years).
thedecider on October 8, 2007 at 11:20 PM
Apologies, AP, as I assume I’m one of those “lads”… but you can certainly understand my frustration with the “Jebus” comments, no? Again, I seem to be on the same page with the person who said it, in terms of our feelings about Dobson here, but that “Jebus” stuff is the tool of far left clowns.
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:20 PM
Don’t point fingers, thats a Colmes move. (right?) I was speaking to both camps.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:20 PM
It’s easy to turn this world over to tyrants when one thinks one is going to be rewarded in the next world for being “pure.” As for purity, it’s easy to imagine that a soul can be spotless, just because a body can be spotless, and easy to imagine this “spotlessness” is good, just because we think a spotless body is good.
The Christians must consider whether we can defend Christianity from a charge that Christianity is a revenge doctrine: The world is “dirty,” so we will be “pure” even if it destroys the Earth. Even Heaven is somehow tainted: We await not just “a new Heaven” and “a new Jerusalem,” but even “a new Heaven”! Have we gone too far when we uphold a doctrine of a disposable Earth and a disposable Heaven? “There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death.” I fear that we are the most decent nihilists the world has ever seen, and the least self-knowledgeable. If I am right that James Dobson reinforces such nihilism, he comes to light as an all-unwitting prince of darkness, promoting sin unto death.
Kralizec on October 8, 2007 at 11:20 PM
For the record, how many babies has Rudy killed? I understand he lowered abortion and increased adoption in New York, but I didn’t know he was an abortion-giving doctor. Wow!
As Slublog says, stay classy…
amerpundit on October 8, 2007 at 11:21 PM
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:21 PM
Oh, and just for fun… your very own Gutfeld style intro…
…And joining us on the web we have Allahpundit, if blogging was roofing, it would take him all day to finish nailing us on top of a house.
Or perhaps your threat of the Hammer, meant you’d send in MKH?
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Easy.
This is Political Science 101. Elections are won by getting the largest percentage of voters in the Middle to vote for their side. Those who consider themselves Moderates or Independents – the great Middle – are turned off by the extremes in all political parties. A litmus test and all the rest of the shenanigans make moderate voters tune out and dismiss the candidates almost instantly.
This is a matter of pragmatism.
eanax on October 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM
damn, that shouldn’t have been bold, it should have been blockquotes
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM
That wasn’t wrong, just stupid. And by stupid I mean it didn’t take much thought to define inarticulate with a stereotype.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:24 PM
Or if they think they’ll win an election too it seems….
What part of killing babies, helping illegals, gun grabbing & cross dressing are you folks missing here anyway?
Its not like there aren’t some sane candidates to choose from, We have plenty.
SNAP OUT OF THE DEFEAT SYNDROME!
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow
astronautshappy campers.- Dan Quayle
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:25 PM
Nah, Slu. It’s just me being my usual lovable self.
Seriously, though. I just don’t get it. What is it with this Rudy-Mania? Who descended from Mount Olympus and decreed that Rudy Must Be The Candidate For He Has Much Greatness?
Not talking about you, Slu, but it seems to me that a lot of people have forgotten how this whole election thing works. Actually, Dobson is one of them.
We’re in the primaries. Right now, we’re selecting the best out of 9 (or 10, I forget how many clowns there are at any given point in time). Once we’ve picked one, we go to Phase II, which is an entirely different ballgame.
Then we get to pick the best out of 2. Or the least horrible, as the case may turn out to be.
Two. Different. Things.
And no, Rudy isn’t “inevitable”, nor is he The One That Walks On Water And Is The Only One Who Can Slay The Dragon, so the Rudy-worshippers would do well to quit bowing before the Great One until he actually gets the nom, because it’s beginning to p*ss some of us off.
On the other hand, Dobson needs to quit being an idiot and play general election games during the primaries. If Rudy the pro-abortion, gun-hating, illegal alien-pandering clownshoe gets the nom, then I’ll just have to hold my nose, because in the other corner is the Anti-Christ. No, I don’t want to, it’ll feel like playing with my own waste products, but I’m not going to whine and bang my sippy cup just because I didn’t get the candidate I wanted, PARTICULARLY not when the alternative is something I want even less.
But let’s get over the primaries first, shall we, or should we just drop that whole dreary process and crown Prince Rudy instead?
Misha I on October 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Some thought the same thing about Senator Huey Long. Somehow, the Republic survived.
Kralizec on October 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/us/21evangelical.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Interesting article that indicates Dobson isn’t as powerful as he fancies himself.
Bradky on October 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
What MB4 said in the first place bears repeating. Listen up fools…
IF HILLARY BECOMES PRESIDENT IT WILL BE BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS FAILED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NOT BECAUSE DOBSON HAS MADE HILLARY PRESIDENT.
NRA4Freedom on October 8, 2007 at 11:27 PM
So he’s helping illegals now, too! Goodness. I didn’t even know he has killed babies. And I thought that whole cross dressing was him goofing around…
amerpundit on October 8, 2007 at 11:28 PM
Oh, good heavens. When are you folks going to give this one up? There’s a difference between dressing in drag for a goof and cross dressing. This is the cheapest of smears.
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:28 PM
You think Fred & Mitt are extremists? What are you smoking man?
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:29 PM
Well OK, but give me a partial break for it being a Simpsons reference, at least. As to your final point, yes that’s my hope, indeed. Judging from this sites’ comments, we’re in the clear. Let’s hope that extends to the general populace.
For the record, a vote for Rudy will be “settling” for me, too. He will probably scare the crap out of the Jihad, but that might be all we get out of him. I’ll take it, though, if I have to.
Hannibal Smith on October 8, 2007 at 11:29 PM
Can someone please explain to me Dobson’s reasoning that Hillary can be opposed but Rudy cannot be?
Mcguyver on October 8, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Stereotype?
Huh?
That was from the shortbus jive dialect translator.
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:32 PM
He favors abortion & you know it. He also helped illegals as mayor, you also know that.
When you intentionally try to mislead people, it makes people not want to listen to anything you say…just sayin’
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:32 PM
MB4 brings out the Jive translator FTW! That’s really reaching back into the old toolbox.
Hannibal Smith on October 8, 2007 at 11:33 PM
No one descended from anywhere. It’s a matter of how much support they have. Rudy’s beat the other Republicans in fundraising twice in a row and his national poll numbers among Republicans are stabilized while Fred’s are going down and the others linger at pathetic.
And our apparent “worshiping” is no different than the worshiping the Fredheads do.
amerpundit on October 8, 2007 at 11:33 PM
You see, Christians don’t ‘fear Hillary’ like most atheists or non-believers. True Christians understand that we can be believers in downtown Mecca.
We would prefer not having Hillary as president, but it would still be America. We would prefer a choice of a single CONSERVATIVE candidate out of 300 million in this country. I have a hard time believing that no conservative is able to win the primary (though there isn’t one running in the top 4). . . this is why Newt should have run. He may have baggage, but at least he’s a conservative.
Rudy won’t beat Hillary in the general election, and it won’t be because of Dobson or the ‘religious right’. It will be because Hillary will run to the right of Rudy.
Christians will be Christians anyway. I was distraught when Bill Clinton won in 1992, but it taught me that it really DOES NOT MATTER who the President is. The forefathers set it up so that no one person could screw AMERICA up.
It will be America no matter who is President. I wouldn’t vote for Rudy because I don’t agree with him. I wouldn’t vote for Hillary because I don’t agree with her. I’m still American, I’m still Christian.
ThackerAgency on October 8, 2007 at 11:34 PM
He’s been seen wearing dresses at least three times & lived with two gay guys. In any state other than New York or California, thats a cross dresser. You may as well come to terms with that.
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Aren’t the efforts by the pro-life movement designed to change the hearts of those who are pro-choice? Mitt is the perfect example for the success of those efforts. Since Mitt has had a change of heart because of the efforts of people like Dobson, does Dobson support Mitt as the only candidate that is pro-life?
csdeven on October 8, 2007 at 11:35 PM
I just take this as a nessecary exercise for the “Evangelical” wing to avoid being taken for granted. I’ve heard plenty of people worry out loud about becoming the Republican equivalent of the Dem’s Black Vote.
TBinSTL on October 8, 2007 at 11:35 PM
If the only way to beat Hillary is with a RINO like Giuliani, then this country is already in a downward spiral that it is unlikely to ever recover from.
The time for conservatives to vote our principles is in the primaries, when we have an opportunity to shut down Giuliani and at least nominate someone to the right of Hillary.
If Giuliani is nominated, though, I will hold my nose and vote for him in the general election, because it would be better to have him in the Oval Office than the alternative.
And for those who say a true conservative can’t get elected, if we are so scared we don’t even try, then what’s the point? Just get out your Che t-shirts and turn in your guns and your paychecks and try to act like happy socialist slaves.
Lancer on October 8, 2007 at 11:36 PM
Say that that out loud 100 times Esthier on October 4, 2007 at 5:40 PM
I’d like to believe we’ll win in 08, but I just don’t.
Mcguyver on October 8, 2007 at 11:36 PM
And when you mislead people, they don’t want to listen to you. There’s a difference between favoring abortion and believing the government shouldn’t get involved legally. In the former, you actually favor that as an option. In the latter you don’t believe the government should intervene even more in people’s lives, but that’s not the option you’d choose.
The “helping illegals as mayor” is a talking point the anti-Rudy crowd likes to repeat. How about the fact that the federal government was barely deporting anyone and he couldn’t deport them himself. How about the fact that seeing no one was going to deport them, he’d use them to his advantage to solve the massive crime rate?
And I certainly hope you don’t support Fred Thompson who supports the right to abortion as long as it’s in the first trimester, supports a path to citizenship for illegals and says if states make gay marriage legal, then “so be it”.
amerpundit on October 8, 2007 at 11:38 PM
What drives them is sheer blood curling terror at the very thought that HildaBeast™ whom they regard as the Antichrist will be elected if Rudolph does not save the
Cheerleaderthem.MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:38 PM
I can’t think of an election in which I’ve done anything other than vote for the least-bad candidate. A candidate one could actually feel good about would be “extraordinary and without example.” Moreover, such talent would be wasted on public office.
Kralizec on October 8, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Ah, I see. It’s just about smearing him, then.
Gotcha.
I’ve worn a dress at least twice, for goofy skits in church-related events. And I have gay relatives.
Does that make me a cross-dresser? Because I gotta tell you…that would be news to my wife.
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Never wrote that, Straw man.
Dobson is viewed as extreme. And when he trots out the idea that the Republican party should dismiss some of its candidates in favor of others over a single issue is a problem.
Single issue voters are the problem every time — whether they are on the Right or Left.
eanax on October 8, 2007 at 11:41 PM
This single issue is the basis for all other issues. Without Life there is nothing else. Understand this and you may understand Dobson and others with the same stance.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:45 PM
I’ve dressed in drag twice(once for halloween, and I was the creepiest girl evah *it was awesomely creepy*, and once for some theater thing), does that mean I’m a *gasp* cross-dresser? Its stupid, and I live in North Central PA, not exactly lib central.
Bad Candy on October 8, 2007 at 11:47 PM
Rudy supports the idea of using the government to force acceptance of the gay lifestyle on people but not preventing them from killing a healthy baby….thats f’d up.
Thats a Rudy talking point. While its true that the government turned its back on its own people, he joined in on his own. Allowing Americans to be pushed out of their own communities, wages suppressed, American culture pushed aside, etc… He allowed it to flourish as long as they voted for him.
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:47 PM
Without LIBERTY there is nothing else.
eanax on October 8, 2007 at 11:47 PM
Agreed. Coulter made a great point on H&C, after initially saying she agreed with Dobson… She clarified that these are the primaries, and she’s not talking “third party” like Dobson, just that Rudy’s not her guy right now. That’s fine, and I have no problem with that. But if it’s Rudy (or pretty much anyone vs. Hillary (or any of the other Dem candidates) I’m RUNNING to the voting booth to vote for whoever the GOP candidate is.
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:48 PM
Perfect nome de plume, Rational Thought.
OT, by the time it’s over Rudy will have kissed Mr. Dobson’s ring.
Entelechy on October 8, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Ummm . . . can’t have liberty without existence.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:50 PM
My apologies. I thought you were talking about our candidates.
Yeah, Im no fan of Dobson myself. I really dont think he carries the weight that Hannity seems to think he has.
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:50 PM
You’re both confused. First of all, eanax, without life there is no such thing as liberty, genius… as for geckoman, that position is fine, but is ushering in Hillary going to do more for “life” than Rudy? Come on.
RightWinged on October 8, 2007 at 11:50 PM
Yup and other things too.
Hillary is now going to weekly prayer breakfasts with conservative congressmen now.
Is Rudy?
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:52 PM
And if I don’t exist, it doesn’t matter.
eanax on October 8, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Are you a single man living with 2 gay men? Are you running for president?
You guys better get some better talking points if Rudy gets the nomination…
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:53 PM
It would best to remove all religious extremist out of the election equation.
Dobson, Falwell and Robertson and the like need not apply for opinion.
They are no better than Sharpton, Jackson, or Farrakhan and equally as polarizing.
Conservatives would be better off keeping religion in your church, synagogue, basement, back pocket or under your hat.
Stick to the issues.
Kini on October 8, 2007 at 11:55 PM
The wife is always the last to know!!!
lol.
MB4 on October 8, 2007 at 11:55 PM
How is Rudy now going to force a gay lifestyle on you? Is he going to force you to be gay or make you take in a gay couple?
And he couldn’t deport them and the federal government wasn’t deporting them, so was he not supposed to use them to the city’s advantage? Did you live in New York prior to and during the Rudy years? Because I have to tell that life for myself, my family and people I knew was very different than the picture you’re painting of his time in office.
amerpundit on October 8, 2007 at 11:56 PM
lol
DwnSouthJukin on October 8, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Hehhe…uh, I mean…Shhhhh… :-)
Slublog on October 8, 2007 at 11:57 PM
Peter La Fleur: I know. I just said that.
White Goodman: I know you just said that.
Peter La Fleur: Okay, I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
White Goodman: Well, I’m not sure where *you’re* going with this.
Peter La Fleur: That’s what I said.
White Goodman: That’s what I’m saying to *you*.
Peter La Fleur: All right.
White Goodman: …TouchÈ.
geckomon on October 8, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Interesting. I hadn’t really considered this angle, but I can see now how it would work. She’ll risk angering the kook Left (arguably a helluva lot more doctrinaire and single-minded than religious conservatives, and thankfully fewer in number) in order to scoop up the “moderate” vote, appearing to be as many people to as many different people as possible, then bait-and-switch us and roll out the Politburo.
Man, that is one scheming, cynical woman.
Hannibal Smith on October 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM
I’m not a big Rudy fan, I’m marginally in the Fred camp. I’m single, but not living with gay guys, even still, he lived with two gheys? Scandalous!!! Seriously, if this is supposed to sway me from Rudy, it fails, his positions on issues are what repels me.
Bad Candy on October 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM
“Gay rights”, which he supports = forced acceptance under the law (see: “Great Britain”)
No, I was living in a place that still, at the time, resembled America & not the 3rd world. I’d like to have it back someday. I ain’t getting that with Rudy. He has a consistent record of not caring what American communities are engulfed by the 3rd world.
DwnSouthJukin on October 9, 2007 at 12:01 AM
so what time does bryan put up the cowboy post after that comeback? :/
lorien1973 on October 9, 2007 at 12:01 AM
One atom of the plane where He functions would shatter the world.
- Confucius
MB4 on October 9, 2007 at 12:02 AM
Yes, in most of the country that is indeed scandalous…and just plain weird. Some people better wake the hell up around here.
DwnSouthJukin on October 9, 2007 at 12:03 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
How bout dem Cowboys!
Limerick on October 9, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Whether or not Dobson is doing this to benefit himself or because he doesn’t want to choose between the lesser of two evils is something that only he and God know.
However I can tell you that there’s no way I’d vote for a candidate that wasn’t clearly anti-abortion. Rudy isn’t such a candidate.
The point that not voting for Rudy will make things worse because then Hillary will be elected doesn’t hold water from a christian perspective. Choosing evil is never right.
Benaiah on October 9, 2007 at 12:05 AM
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