Not sure what your point was, but… you are out of step.

…No, Rudy would look at Hillary, say she’s nutz, and go one to explain in detail exactly why.

If you prefer the “aww shucks” no substance response, what does that say about you?

tommylotto on October 9, 2007 at 3:01 PM

Maybe I am missing something after all. For example, I sure as heck don’t remember you being elected Arbiter of America’s Pulse.

As for your most recent Proclamation: Rudy’s “in your face” attitude is very popular – inside a ten square mile area of the United States.

Outside of there, all Guiliani has going for him is a year’s worth of unremittant liberal media coverage saying he is The Only Man Who Can Beat Hillary. And you don’t appear to be “in step” with anything other than that.

logis on October 9, 2007 at 2:45 PM

Not sure what your point was, but if you think the country id two thirds conservative (by your definition) you are mistaken, particularly if you think Rudy is a liberal. He is very conservation on most issues and on those exceptions, he is usually right of center. If that is your definition of liberal you are out of step.

Fred can get away with a Reagan “There you go again” where Rudy can’t.
phelps on October 9, 2007 at 1:31 PM

No, Rudy would look at Hillary, say she’s nutz, and go one to explain in detail exactly why.

If you prefer the “aww shucks” no substance response, what does that say about you?

The problem is that nobody is running for President of New York – or Massachusetts for that matter. And most of the people in the rest of this country are not going to get enthused about a race between someone who wants to make America more liberal, and someone who wants to make America more liberal – but at a slightly slower pace.
logis on October 9, 2007 at 11:52 AM

It is sad. You are so out of pace with the vibe of our country. YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. MOST PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU. You need to update your political and social philosophy or relagate yourself to the same political clout of the amish.
tommylotto on October 9, 2007 at 12:02 PM

I don’t really see a gigantic difference between saying that conservatism is dead, and saying that conservatism is terminally ill.

The Nazis burned out quickly; the Soviets lasted decades longer. Liberalism is nothing but an even more incremental approach to the exact same goal. What the liberals call being a “moderate” Republican is like trying to win a football game by making a touchback on every play to ensure the other team can’t steal the ball and get a touchdown – sure, you’re not losing quite as fast as physically possible. But you’re still guaranteeing defeat.

Bush gave us trillons of dollars more Socialism in an attempt to apologize for “uncompassionate conservatism.” Right now, only one of the top Republican candidates is talking about what Reagan talked about – REDUCING the scope of the federal government.

And, believe it or not, you’re actually right about one thing: America has changed drastically since Reagan won two landslides. Back then, more voters in America described themselves as liberal than as conservative; today we outnumber them by almost two to one. Of course statistically, the people in the muddle will tend to lean conservative by the same proportion; they just don’t know it.

…And giving them a choice between a candidate who talks like a moderate and a candidate who acts like a moderate will not help them figure it out.

What we really need to look at is which candidate is likely to make Hillary’s base stay home. Turnout, not the independents, will make this election. Hillary has lot of problems with the Democrat base, and so does Rudy. I think Thompson can do a much better job of smoothing over those problems within than Rudy can.

We need to unite and not self-destruct.
Texas Nick 77 on October 9, 2007 at 8:56 AM

I believe we are united. We all (except for the single issue voters who are going to give the election to Hillary by voting 3rd party) are going to vote for the republican nominee, whoever it is. I believe now is the time to vet each candidate as much as possible before the Clinton’s do it in the general.

I am all about criticizing every candidate equally, and my vitriol toward Fred is, as I have explained before, really a jab at the Fred groupies who are so blindly supportive of Fred that they makes excuses for his lobbying history and his involvement with Libyan terrorists. They only look at these facts from their narrow perspective. The people that are going to get the republican nominee will be elected in the general by regular folks who, when the fact that Fred has even the slightest involvement with Libyan terrorists will provoke such a visceral response from the country that I doubt another fact will have to be mentioned because Fred will be dead in the water.

For goodness sake! Can any of these groupies comprehend the reaction to this?! We are in the middle of a war against terrorists and it comes to light that Fred Dalton Thompson actually gave advice to the attorney for these terrorists! Game over man, game over.

I know this to be a fact because every single person that I have told about Fred’s involvement with this attorney have shown a look on their face of absolute disgust.

So no. I am not going to stop exposing him for what he is. I know that the few of us that have been beating this drum for months have made a difference here on HA. Several people have backed off their support for Fred because they have seen in him exactly for what we have been saying about him since his speech at the Lincoln Club in Orange County.

Fred is not an honest conservative. He is in his heart and soul a fake, a liar, a cheater, and a scumbag lobbyist.

Doesn’t your personal safety and that of your family, and that of those serving on the front lines in the military count for anything?????

DOT.

Are you another one trying to bring on the end times?? I’m not ready to go or to stop fighting.

BINGO!

Would you allow Hitler to be elected because his opposition wasn’t sufficiently pro-Jewish?

Wake up! Your perfect world doesn’t exist, (yet, if you insist.) Each generation pushes back evil as best it can.

Are you defeastists such as…….
……..: “I’d like to believe we’ll win in 08, but I just don’t.” Esthier on October 4, 2007 at 5:40 PM
…..et al doing your part?

You do not vanquish it entirely. Do your part, and leave the undone for your children.

Esthier, how would you like your grandchildren to ask you, “Why didn’t you do more to push back socialism when you had the chance?

NONE OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ARE PERFECT, AND NONE HAVE A FATAL FLAW. THE DEMOCRATS ARE FATALLY FLAWED.

Keep up the heat JiangxiDad!

All quotes from JiangxiDad on October 9, 2007 at 11:53 AM

The problem is that nobody is running for President of New York – or Massachusetts for that matter. And most of the people in the rest of this country are not going to get enthused about a race between someone who wants to make America more liberal, and someone who wants to make America more liberal – but at a slightly slower pace.

logis on October 9, 2007 at 11:52 AM

It is sad. You are so out of pace with the vibe of our country. YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY. MOST PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU. You need to update your political and social philosophy or relagate yourself to the same political clout of the amish.

A message needs to be sent because they didn’t get it last time!

sabbott on October 9, 2007 at 11:19 AM

And that message will be…

The Rebubbakins are so f’n stupid they would rather have a socialist traitorous ice queen married to a porn star in the White House rather than a real Republican that believes in small government, tax cuts, less welfare, less spending, law and order, strict constructionist judges, strong defense — actually strong offense in the terrorists war on us, promotes adoption over abortion, believes in an individual right to bear arms, etc.

That is one hellava message you are sending there genius.

We are going to get slaughtered not only in the Presidential election but also in the House and Senate!

Doesn’t your personal safety and that of your family, and that of those serving on the front lines in the military count for anything?????

Are you another trying to bring on the end times?? I’m not ready to go or to stop fighting. Would you allow Hitler to be elected because his opposition wasn’t sufficiently pro-Jewish?

Wake up! Your perfect world doesn’t exist, (yet, if you insist.) Each generation pushes back evil as best it can. You do not vanquish it entirely. Do your part, and leave the undone for your children. NONE OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ARE PERFECT, AND NONE HAVE A FATAL FLAW. THE DEMOCRATS ARE FATALLY FLAWED.

The RNC and all the guys at FOX News can keep spinning and selling Rudy all they want. I will NEVER, EVER again vote for another liberal Republican for POTUS! If Rudy is the best that the Republican Party has to offer us then we deserve to get our asses handed to us in ‘08, and that is exactly what is going to happen. We are going to get slaughtered not only in the Presidential election but also in the House and Senate! A message needs to be sent because they didn’t get it last time!
sabbott on October 9, 2007 at 11:19 AM

I feel your pain. Eight years is long enough. I’m sick of it.

The media in general is a lot more liberal than the average New York residence, but Fox News reporters are right about on that line, and they see the election through that prism.

Sure, Rudy was conservative BY NEW YORK STANDARDS, but so what? So was Hillary Clinton.

The problem is that nobody is running for President of New York – or Massachusetts for that matter. And most of the people in the rest of this country are not going to get enthused about a race between someone who wants to make America more liberal, and someone who wants to make America more liberal – but at a slightly slower pace.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t take a half-hour out of my busy life come election day and vote. But, frankly, I’m TIRED after supporting a Rockefeller Republican for so long. And I don’t think I have it in my anymore.

Texas Nick 77 on October 9, 2007 at 8:56 AM

Didn’t read all the comments, and don’t know if you’re on of those that equates Hillary with Rudy. But Rudy is a capitalist. Hillary is a socialist. I hope that those who dislike Rudy will agree on that.

See? I don’t even have to show up and some would rather talk about little old csdeven instead of that lying fake … (I won’t even repeat you on this, csd)…

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 2:05 AM

But you make it sooooo easy to do just that.

Hey, man… Chill out, drink a cool one, smoke ‘em if you have to, but lower the venom level. We need to unite and not self-destruct. The democrats have the MSM shilling for their candidate (and one of ours, BTW), we don’t need to do their work for them, and HER.

And interestingly, Fred’s poll numbers have been going down as Rudy’s are stabilized even after the blitz of information on how Moderate he is.

amerpundit on October 8, 2007 at 8:43 PM

I see the MSM is doing their job… painting Rudy as a moderate and cutting down Fred. I am still amazed at the number of neuron-challenged people who vote.

Hillary recently stated there are good lobbyists too, right? I’m thinking the gun is empty if she wants to attack Fred on this.

Tman on October 8, 2007 at 7:59 PM

If the Hsu fits…

Hollowpoint on October 9, 2007 at 2:58 AM

Are you sure they were Libyan? And Fred certainly did give legal advice to their attorney. Since their attorney is their legal representative, Fred gave advice to terrorists.

rockdalian on October 8, 2007 at 7:42 PM

Good point. You can see by the reaction it brought from the public that illegal immigration is an issue that really matters to the vast majority of citizens.

All the Democrats are pro-amnesty (as far as I know). The Republicans would do well for themselves to nominate an anti-amnesty candidate, which Rudi is not. If Rudi is nominated, Independants and Center Democrats will have less reason to vote R.

He gave legal advice to Syrian terrorists that blew up a jet full of innocent people….
All facts that will destroy Fred in a general.

csdeven on October 9, 2007 at 2:05 AM

It was Libyan terrorists you blithering idiot. And he didn’t give advice to them, because he wasn’t on their defense team.

But nice “facts” there, troll.

Fred is not electable at all. And Hillary wont attack Fred’s lobbying past. Some other group will do it. They will compare the lobbying efforts of others toward causes that help Americans and the efforts Fred engaged in that were almost always against Americans.

Fred lobbied for a dictator. He lobbied for the deregulation of the S&L industry. He lobbied for an abortion group. He lobbied against the victims of asbestos poisoning. He lobbied for a failed nuke plant. He gave legal advice to Syrian terrorists that blew up a jet full of innocent people.

Fred also funneled campaign cash to his son.

All facts that will destroy Fred in a general.

How does Federalism not appeal to independents.
ing block that is more or less likely to embrace federal g

Theworldisnotenough on October 8, 2007 at 7:41 PM

Independents, for the most part, do not concern themselves with the intricacies of constitutional law. They are generally more interested in government that works efficiently and gets things done. They also don’t like the religious right or the commie left getting up in their faces too much. Aside from the fact that a lot of ideologues use “federalism” as a refuge for when they are losing the debate on one of their pet issues (e.g. gay marriage), it’s viability as a governing principle depends on the health and effectiveness of state and local governments. Unfortunately, many such governments in this country are incompetent, or worse. Therefore a presidential candidate who’s platform is “you guys deal with it yourselves” has a major loability among pragmatic, non-ideological voters.

Romeo13 on October 8, 2007 at 11:13 PM

Thanks for the reply. The 04 election had about a 100K difference for bush but then elected a democrat for senator. NM and IA margins were much closer.

Bradky on October 8, 2007 at 10:26 PM

Cant speak for the other states, but I can for Colorado, where I live.

Reps 998,878
Dem 860,407
Unaffilated 967,853

Registered voters as of last month.

Now, there are a LOT of unaffiliated voters who are conservative, who have left the Republican party of fiscal policy, war, not being conservative ENOUGH!

Bring in a conservative candidate, like Fred!, and you have a chance…

Otherwise, you get more of the Boudler vote (which you will still loose), but will loose a lot of the rest of the state.

Maybe he got banned?

countywolf on October 8, 2007 at 10:39 PM

Wishful thinking, my friend. Wishful thinking.