“We came so close to World War Three”

posted at 5:45 pm on October 7, 2007 by Bryan

This article about Israel’s Sept 6 raid on Syria actually precedes the scoops that Allah posted about yesterday, by three days. But there’s been very little interest in it so far, maybe because it doesn’t offer much more in the way of specifics about the raid. What it does offer is a look at the British perspective. London was evidently quite alarmed.

One month after the event, the absence of hard information leads inexorably to the conclusion that the implications must have been enormous.

That was confirmed to The Spectator by a very senior British ministerial source: ‘If people had known how close we came to world war three that day there’d have been mass panic. Never mind the floods or foot-and-mouth — Gordon really would have been dealing with the bloody Book of Revelation and Armageddon.’

A few paragraphs later, it lays out the logical reasons for thinking that whatever Israel destroyed, it was mighty important and incredibly dangerous.

What was in the consignment that led the Israelis to mount an attack which could easily have spiralled into an all-out regional war? It could not have been a transfer of chemical or biological weapons; Syria is already known to possess the most abundant stockpiles in the region. Nor could it have been missile delivery systems; Syria had previously acquired substantial quantities from North Korea. The only possible explanation is that the consignment was nuclear.

The scale of the potential threat — and the intelligence methods that were used to follow the transfer — explain the dense mist of official secrecy that shrouds the event. There have been no official briefings, no winks or nudges, from any of the scores of people who must have been involved in the preparation, analysis, decision-making and execution of the operation. Even when Israelis now offer a firm ‘no comment’, it is strictly off the record. The secrecy is itself significant.

Both the secrecy and the lack of any response from the Syrians or anyone else make the strike significant. When the Israelis destroyed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981, it most of the world was quick to denounce it. The UN Security Council passed a condemnatory resolution (what else does the UN do?). Even President Reagan publicly condemned it and the US temporarily withheld shipping some aircraft that the Israelis had bought. The Iraqis themselves howled and Saddam promised to rebuild the destroyed reactor.

But after the Syria raid? Crickets. Even the UN hasn’t said boo about it. Why? And why does an unnamed highly placed British official think that we came so close to world war that day?

Some of the reasons aren’t difficult to game out. Syria is allied to Iran, both are allied at least tacitly to Russia and both are militarily supplied by both Russia and China. It was an advanced Russian air defense system that the Israelis penetrated without any trouble. China in turn is one of Iran’s largest energy customers. Given these entanglements and the US-Israeli alliance, it’s not too hard to see how a strong Syrian reaction to the raid could have triggered an actual world war, even if the Israelis had shown in the raid itself that any direct Syrian military response was hopelessly doomed.

The question is, then, why didn’t the Syrians respond at all? I’m not necessarily talking about a military response; Israel’s raid had proven beyond doubt that whatever weapons Syria has, they’re inferior to those that Israel has. Syria could have responded with increased Hezbollah attacks, or it could have protested as Iraq did after Osirak, with noisy condemnations and fist-pounding at the UN. But it’s been quiet about the September raid so far. Why?

You could answer that Syria is quiet about the raid because it’s guilty of whatever the Israelis suspected, but an Arab state’s guilt has not often slowed it down from accusing a non-Arab state and particularly Israel of crimes. Saddam was guilty in 1981, but he protested as loud as possible anyway and most of the world took his side. Are the soil samples that the Israeli commandos picked up damning enough to keep Assad from protesting, fearing that the Israelis will release their findings? That doesn’t seem likely to me. He could call it “Zionist lies” and have half the world on his side. US liberals would compare the Israeli report to the Powell testimony prior to the 2003 Iraq war and that would be that.

The best explanation for Assad’s lack of protest is that the Israelis have threatened Assad himself. After last summer’s flyby and the September raid itself, Assad has to know that he’s never been more vulnerable to an Israeli airstrike or commando raid. His government has been killing Lebanese officials with relative impunity, so he of all people is aware that what he has been doing to others can be done unto him.

So his lack of response probably comes down to his awareness that Israel possesses a credible threat of force against him. The September raid presented him with a moment of total clarity, so he stays mum. And if he’s not protesting an attack on his own soil, then who else is there to raise a peep in protest for him?

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Damn Israelis screwing up world peace again (sarcasm) but that’s what it sounds like

Defector01 on October 7, 2007 at 5:52 PM

I hear the Russian air defense systems use bluetooth without encryption.

TBinSTL on October 7, 2007 at 5:55 PM

Well done Bryan, much food for thought.

Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

We’re already in WW-III

VinceP1974 on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Bryan, I think you’re slightly off track. Whatever evidence the Israelis came back with not only proves Syria had nuclear weaponry, but also convincingly identifies the source(s). I don’t the NorK can account for all of it. Perhaps China was involved?

At any rate, the evidence was too damning, to too many countries, which is why the silence.

stonemeister on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

That does hold solid logic Bryan. But I am going to withold judgment for a while,hoping more information and evidence will present itself.

One thing for certain, Israel was not playing a game, whatever their goal they were serious.

allrsn on October 7, 2007 at 6:05 PM

Bashar isn’t a person name, it’s a military rank.

Nonfactor on October 7, 2007 at 6:06 PM

Is it just me, or is everyone else here convinced something BIG is about to go down in the next few years?

Jimmy the Dhimmi on October 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Nonfactor on October 7, 2007 at 6:06 PM

Bashar (Dune), a fictional military rank in the Dune universe

Only in the Dune universe Nonfactor.

The man’s name is: Bashar al-Assad, the President of Syria

Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 6:11 PM

I’m just watching and waiting on this one. Did Israel have the gall to defend herself?

Brian the sailor on October 7, 2007 at 6:15 PM

The best explanation for Assad’s lack of protest is that the Israelis have threatened Assad himself.

Why would you think it was only a personal threat? Why not a threat to devastate the infrastructure or military or government or ??

Not that I know anything about it myself, just curious why your opinion is limited to it being a personal threat.

MamaAJ on October 7, 2007 at 6:24 PM

Unfortunately all this is just fence testing, The big destruction is still on its way. IMHO
as I posted on another thread this morning.
Isa 17:1
The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
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Here is a good source of news
to do with the Middle East

abinitioadinfinitum on October 7, 2007 at 6:26 PM

If the Israelis destroyed a nuclear device, there would be a release of highly radioactive material in the area; plutonium, or highly enriched uranium. Since no one is mentioning a release of radioactive material, you have to ask why?

Could it be that the Israelies captured a nuclear device? And can prove from whence it came?

Could it be that both Iran, and Syria are silent because they are standing there in stunned amazement asking themselves, ‘how did they know’? Could it be that there is a witness? and insider? someone who the Iranians and Syrians can not deny was involved? Are the Iranians or Syrians missing anybody? Someone didn’t show up for work? A defector?

And in reply to :

Jimmy the Dhimmi on October 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM

What do you mean ‘years’?

rockhauler on October 7, 2007 at 6:28 PM

What an imagination. Reads like debka….

tommylotto on October 7, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Note to very senior British ministerial source: WW IV started on 9/11/1.

Kim Hartveld on October 7, 2007 at 6:30 PM

How comparable are the Syrian air defense systems to that of Iran? If Israel can pull this off with non-stealth F-15′s then we should presumably be able to pull of a successful strike in Iran with stealth F-22′s and B-2′s if/when it comes to that, right? Alot of the concern over a possible Iran air strike is supposedly over the effectiveness of their Russian supplied air defense capabilities. We’re already developing if not already deploying the bunker buster bombs to penetrate their nuclear facilities so it’s all a matter of delivering the bombs on target and it seems like it’s possible more than ever with the success of the Israeli raid.

Yakko77 on October 7, 2007 at 6:30 PM

“We came so close to World War Three”

What was in the consignment that led the Israelis to mount an attack which could easily have spiralled into an all-out regional war? It could not have been a transfer of chemical or biological weapons; Syria is already known to possess the most abundant stockpiles in the region. Nor could it have been missile delivery systems; Syria had previously acquired substantial quantities from North Korea. The only possible explanation is that the consignment was nuclear.

Given these entanglements and the US-Israeli alliance, it’s not too hard to see how a strong Syrian reaction to the raid could have triggered an actual world war,

I realize how this situation appears from the outside however I believe the opposite is true.

The world (count on Israel not being alone on this) almost didn’t avoid world war III.

What Syria had was of such great threat, it had to be destroyed or risk a Hapsburg WWI folly happening again.

Or does the risk balance point the other way?
In my personal opinion it does not.

Speakup on October 7, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Yakko77 on October 7, 2007 at 6:30 PM

Another article I read at the site linked above was about that very thing, and about how many fewer air defense units Iran has compared to Syria and they were all made by Russia. Think Russia isn’t pissed?

abinitioadinfinitum on October 7, 2007 at 6:37 PM

What an imagination. Reads like debka….

tommylotto on October 7, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Well then please tommylotto, reveal your great wisdom and insight on this matter. We are breathlessly waiting…

Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 6:40 PM

IMO its actualy pretty simple…

Israel caught Syria with its pants down… but Syria is not yet ready to pull the trigger on that war.

Its going to happen, but it will happen when Syria and Iran are ready.

Basicly boils down to logistics, and force readiness. Remember, these nations do NOT have militarys like ours, it takes time to mobilize.

You can be sure the the Israeli high command was ready… while Syria’s was not.

Romeo13 on October 7, 2007 at 6:43 PM

If the Israelis destroyed a nuclear device, there would be a release of highly radioactive material in the area; plutonium, or highly enriched uranium. Since no one is mentioning a release of radioactive material, you have to ask why?

I’m no munitions expert so I will defer to anyone with expertise on the subject. I am however an expert speculator so I will do just that: Is it possible that any nuclear material was entombed deep in a bunker and that limited any release of the material? Is it possible that not only China but perhaps the AQ Khan ring is active again which is keeping us quiet because our relationship with Pakistan is complicated enough?

And, the wildest, most self satisfying and least likely true scenario: Was what was destroyed something that could be inexorably linked to Saddam Hussein’s regime and nobody wants to see the US vindicated and the US keeps quiet assuming that everyone thinks we cried wolf and won’t believe us anyway?

trubble on October 7, 2007 at 6:45 PM

Second point… hit post too soon…

Iran is betting on our MSM being correct, and a Dem winning both the Presidency, and them keeping control of the House and Senate… thus an Iraq pull out.

IF we pull out of Iraq on those terms… with Syria sucking up to the Sunni, and Iran’s control of Shiite groups, they can then not only control Iraq, but it will get our troops out of Theatre.

Face it… right now we could gather our forces and really help the Israelis… but with the Dem pullout… we couldn’t.

Their playing a waiting game… and basing part of their strategy on OUR internal politics.

Romeo13 on October 7, 2007 at 6:47 PM

VEEEERY interestingk. I think stonemeister is onto something about why Syria’s been mum; I highly doubt that the Syrian nuclear program is entirely Syrian/North Korean in origin. Allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for just a second.

Both Red China and the Soviet Uni…er, Russia are not exactly embarrassed about helping the Iranians get nuclear weapons. The Iranians are not exactly in a position to help Syria, though if they were, they wouldn’t exactly be bashful about it either. So, where did the Syrian “jump-start” come from, if there are no protests from Syria or their partners?

I do seem to recall a LOT of trucks with Russian markings headed from Iraq to Syria prior to the invasion. Nobody’s come up with a credible explanation for their presence or their cargoes.

Let’s just say that, if that “jump-start” did come from thise cargoes, it would be extremely embarrassing for both Syria and their enablers here.

If only we had this scoop early Friday, it would’ve been the topic du jour on DAD Bloggers’ Row.

steveegg on October 7, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Interesting, and I like your analysis. There are still a lot of gaps and some inconsistencies as this is pieced together. One, in particular, from the Spectator is:

“Three days after the North Korean consignment arrived, the final phase of Operation Orchard was launched. With prior approval from Washington, Israeli F151 jets were scrambled and, minutes later, the installation and its newly arrived contents were destroyed.”

This ought to reconcile somehow with an original attack date of July 14 and an actual attack date of Sept 6, unless one of the memes, of course, is wrong. As a side note, it appears that ABC left out the “With prior approval from Washington” in their “Exclusive” from days ago, unless the Spectator was just trying to complete a sentence and this is an oversight.

Dusty on October 7, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Somehow the Israelis taking action leads to WW, yet the Arabs can do whatever they want to Israel and that’s not a WW trigger. Priceless. Want to bet the ninny who said it is an Arabist?

Laddy on October 7, 2007 at 6:56 PM

What was in the consignment that led the Israelis to mount an attack which could easily have spiralled into an all-out regional war? It could not have been a transfer of chemical or biological weapons; Syria is already known to possess the most abundant stockpiles in the region. Nor could it have been missile delivery systems; Syria had previously acquired substantial quantities from North Korea. The only possible explanation is that the consignment was nuclear.

Assuming this thesis is correct, it’s hard to imagine Israel pulling this off without a “Do it. We got your back.” from Bush. As much as I hate his open borders shenanigans, he is the right man in the Oval Office when serious shit like this goes down. Now imagine something like this happening a few years down the road with Hillary in office…

infidel4life on October 7, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Bill Roggio on w/ John Batchelor wabcradio.com

Stephen M on October 7, 2007 at 7:34 PM

That was confirmed to The Spectator by a very senior British ministerial source: ‘If people had known how close we came to world war three that day there’d have been mass panic. Never mind the floods or foot-and-mouth — Gordon really would have been dealing with the bloody Book of Revelation and Armageddon.’

Somehow the Israelis taking action leads to WW, yet the Arabs can do whatever they want to Israel and that’s not a WW trigger. Priceless. Want to bet the ninny who said it is an Arabist?

Laddy on October 7, 2007 at 6:56 PM

Without knowing who this very senior British ministerial source is, there is a good chance of this being mere exaggeration, which is what it sounds like. This certainly isn’t the first time Israel has bombed Syria. And the Brits have no shortage of anti-Israeli ministers.

Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 7:36 PM

Now imagine something like this happening a few years down the road with Hillary in office…

infidel4life on October 7, 2007 at 7:05 PM

No imagination necessary….15 months….the Capitol steps, the oath, and then the surrender begins.

Limerick on October 7, 2007 at 7:38 PM

infidel4life on October 7, 2007 at 7:05 PM

Actualy may be different than you think…

During the Civil War, the Republicans were the Liberals…

FDR? Democrat… WWII

Wilson? WWI Democrat…

Korea? Truman… Democrat…

Viet Nam? Kennedy… Democrat…

One of the things I notice about a Liberal viewpoint, is that they let things go until they are out of hand, and then overreact…

If the US gets hit by another 9/11, I would expect Hillary to do just that… overreact.

Romeo13 on October 7, 2007 at 7:38 PM

One always has to take internal threats into consideration when analyzing the behavior of a dictatorial regime. It seems plausible that publicly acknowledging the Israeli strike would be tantamount to acknowledging vulnerability and weakness, something that Assad must find unacceptable.

SWLiP on October 7, 2007 at 7:46 PM

abinitioadinfinitum on October 7, 2007 at 6:37 PM

Maybe Iran and Syria are po’d at Russia? Israeli stealth worked, which says that if Israel and the US go after either, they don’t have a chance.

Connie on October 7, 2007 at 7:52 PM

VEEEERY interestingk. I think stonemeister is onto something about why Syria’s been mum; I highly doubt that the Syrian nuclear program is entirely Syrian/North Korean in origin. Allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for just a second.

Both Red China and the Soviet Uni…er, Russia are not exactly embarrassed about helping the Iranians get nuclear weapons. The Iranians are not exactly in a position to help Syria, though if they were, they wouldn’t exactly be bashful about it either. So, where did the Syrian “jump-start” come from, if there are no protests from Syria or their partners?

I do seem to recall a LOT of trucks with Russian markings headed from Iraq to Syria prior to the invasion. Nobody’s come up with a credible explanation for their presence or their cargoes.

Let’s just say that, if that “jump-start” did come from thise cargoes, it would be extremely embarrassing for both Syria and their enablers here.

If only we had this scoop early Friday, it would’ve been the topic du jour on DAD Bloggers’ Row.

steveegg on October 7, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Sorry steveegg, Russia has no desire or inclination to help Iran obtain nuclear weapons, nor does China. Not even under the shield of plausible deniability. Both China and Russia are far to aware of the degree of traceability of nuclear weapons. Plus both China and Russia have had their proxy confrontations with the United States and neither are eager or particularly willing to engage again unnecessarily.

Furthermore the ambitions and national interests of both China and Russia are actually at odds in fact I dare say diametrically opposed in the current situation.

Russia currently holds the worlds largest reserves of exploitable hydrocarbon fuels. It is in Russia’s best interests to maintain a constant level of heightened tension in the Middle easter OPEC region. The reason for this is that as long as that tension exists without exploding in a regional conflict the price of hydrocarbon fuels remains high.

China on the other hand imports an even greater percentage of its hydrocarbon fuels than the United States and the United States is the single largest customer of their industrial output. China’s best interests are in a sound but not necessarily strong US economy and as little tension in the Middle East as possible. China’s economy relies on a vibrant export economy and low fuel costs.

Both China and Russia have a long history of exporting military technology pretty much to anyone capable of paying for it. While this is no longer the bread and butter of either economy it still accounts for enough of it that they do not mind exporting conventional military technology to areas where it might be used against American interest. This however should not be misconstrued as anything resembling tacit approval of any use against American interests.

Also to be remembered in the current situation is that having had their massively unsuccessful proxy confrontations with the United States both countries still bear just enough animosity towards the United States that anyone giving the United States grief is going to receive while not even so much as tacit approval but disinterest from both countries.

Neither country is going to risk being implicated even by proxy in any avoidable confrontation with the United States, but they most certainly will turn a blind eye to anything short of a bio-chem or nuclear confrontation by third parties with the United States.

Furthermore neither country is particularly enamored of Islamic fundamentalists. What ever happens in the Middle East unless it involves an American first strike with nuclear weapons China and Russia are going to sit out.

One thing both China and Russia know and agree on, any use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East regardless of who originates means the instant destruction of the worlds economy and a end to the worlds hydrocarbon fuel supply. As Allahpundit would put it…Game over man…game over…

doriangrey on October 7, 2007 at 7:55 PM

During the Civil War, the Republicans were the Liberals…

Romeo13 on October 7, 2007 at 7:38 PM

The Republicans are still the liberals… that is… the party seeking and attempting to secure liberty. The LEFT even stole their name. The LEFT calls themselves “liberals” but they are not for liberty, they are for enslavement. It was the Republicans that brought slavery to an end you might recall. And the Democrats are constantly trying to enslave us. Always higher taxes, taking away property rights in the name of environmentalism, no prayer in school, trying to shut down free speech via hate crime laws and bringing back the “Fairness Doctrine,” … just to mention a few things.

The Republicans are the ones for liberty, thus the true liberals … not the leftist Democrats !

Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 8:10 PM

…the evidence was too damning, to too many countries, which is why the silence.

stonemeister on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Dollar to a donut says stonemeister nailed it.

petefrt on October 7, 2007 at 8:17 PM

I agree with stonemeister.

Plus, Syria has to consider that we have what amounts to an invasion force sitting in Iraq, and Bush with his finger on the trigger. People need to remember the strategic implications of Iraq to the greater region. Hard to launch a war with the Great Satan’s tanks and bombers flitting about right next door.

Stormy70 on October 7, 2007 at 8:27 PM

Agree with DG. Hard to imagine China and/or Russia coming strongly to Syria or Iran’s defense for a multitude of reasons. So don’t think “WWIII” was so imminent.

Assad isn’t on firm political footing in Syria. If the stuff destroyed was crucial to Syria, Assad will be the victim of a coup. Has he been seen publicly since?

JiangxiDad on October 7, 2007 at 8:39 PM

jumped the gun. Assad’s still visible it seems.

JiangxiDad on October 7, 2007 at 8:43 PM

I think Romeo 13 may be right in one respect, something big went down. The Syrians, Russians, Iranians and Chinese don’t want to upset the apple cart right now until after an expected Democrat win next year.

conservnut on October 7, 2007 at 9:04 PM

Ridiculously wild speculation: Saddam’s WMD’s did exist, were in Syria, were found, and destroyed by Israel instead of the US because, for some reason it’s in the best interest of US national security not to reveal that the weapons were found…perhaps doing so would reveal some technology that we have that we don’t want the NYTimes to find out about and share with the terrorists, or have the ACLU bring a FOI suit. Instead of vindicating himself, Bush will remain silent and let the entire world call him a criminal, a liar and a murderer because to do so better protects our country.

JustTruth101 on October 7, 2007 at 9:07 PM

This article is yet another example of why HotAir.com is
such an excellent website.

Bryan’s (all Allahpundit as well) patient, careful, informative analysis on complex subjects should be required reading for everyone who wants to stay “up to date” on the pressing issues of our day.

ColtsFan on October 7, 2007 at 9:07 PM

(all Allahpundit as well)

all insert “and”

ColtsFan on October 7, 2007 at 9:09 PM

Oh becuase some armaments got blown up that they officially didnt have (or were holding for someone else)? eh, I think theres a lot of that going on. Its a war behind a war behind a war. (thrice) We must be doing something right. The entire region is still there. :)

johnnyU on October 7, 2007 at 9:33 PM

Romeo13 on October 7, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Agreed with the Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 8:10 PM response to that.

And Hillary (or any other current Dem leader for that matter) is no FDR/Truman/Kennedy.

Nevertheless, things are going to get dicey come Jan ’09. Bush’s very presence in the White House necessitates a wait response from our enemies until then.

infidel4life on October 7, 2007 at 9:42 PM

You haven’t heard a peep out of Assad, becuase he knows next time it won’t be an air raid or commando raid, it will be a jericho missile, and Damascus will cease to exist.

paulsur on October 7, 2007 at 9:47 PM

Bush will remain silent and let the entire world call him a criminal, a liar and a murderer because to do so better protects our country.

I’m not saying I buy the speculation presented, but I will remind you that Bush sat quietly while the NYTs ate him up over not tracking terrorist financing, while all along he was doing just that. To defend himself would have revealed the program and he has not been known to do much defending, just doing.

Sue on October 7, 2007 at 11:15 PM

We’re already in WW-III -IV

VinceP1974 on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

Is it just me, or is everyone else here convinced something BIG is about to go down in the next few years year?

Jimmy the Dhimmi on October 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Entelechy on October 7, 2007 at 11:55 PM

Actually Bush’s habit of not defending himself has been a serious political problem for him. Remember the “Summer of Sheehan.” No secrets at risk there, yet he didn’t utter a peep in response to her and her media-amplified attacks against him for months. Don’t think for a second that didn’t cost him politically.
As far as the question of nuclear radiation getting released by the attack, has anyone actually said that there isn’t any? If none of the relevant agencies are positively giving the “all clear,” that silence could be as telling as the rest of the silence surrounding this operation.
If there was no radiation, then that does raise new questions. Was the target an underground bunker that nothing got out of, or did the target have nuclear technology (such as centrifuges) but no actual nuclear materials?

Lancer on October 8, 2007 at 12:31 AM

the lack of cries from Syria is very telling . Israel hit something and it was something big i think.

Could the fear of small tact nukes and neutron bombs make Bashar shake in his robes?

Mojack420 on October 8, 2007 at 12:50 AM

I think there’s a chance the Syrian silence might have as much to do with Russian concerns about bad press for their AD systems as Syrian concerns. The Russians been marketing their “Pantsir” combination short-range SAM and AA gun system rather aggressively on the world market (replete with “advertorials” in western military aviation magazines that are utterly fascinating studies in bizarre English–they read almost like somebody piped them through an on-line Russian-to-English translator rather than a human one). If Syria had these systems deployed and they proved ineffectual, it wouldn’t serve well to advance Rosoboronexport’s claims that the systems are an effective and affordable solution to the point-defense of ground targets.

Certainly the target could have been nuclear, and that might explain all the silence for the popular reasons. But I can also see where it could have been missiles, the tight-lippedness of both sides have more mundane explations: for instance, Israel’s interest in not disclosing the fact that it was either permitted to use Turkish airspace, or simply did it anyway (advertising it violated the airspace of a NATO member might not be the best political move), and Syria’s interest in not embarassing its primary conventional arms supplier.

Blacklake on October 8, 2007 at 12:52 AM

Great thread people. Lot’s of trenchant comments.

We’re already in WW-III VinceP1974 on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

You get it. This war though started in the 7th century with the pedophile prophet himself.

I think we’ll learn what happened soon enough. As soon as it’s in Irael’s interest to tell us. I wouldn’t trust anything from the Arab street.

Mojave Mark on October 8, 2007 at 12:58 AM

Is it just me, or is everyone else here convinced something BIG is about to go down in the next few years?

Jimmy the Dhimmi on October 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Bring.It.On…

doriangrey on October 7, 2007 at 7:55 PM

Good analysis, doriangrey; I enjoy your posts btw because your thoughts are well-stated and generally a quite interesting read.

-Wanderlust

Wanderlust on October 8, 2007 at 3:47 AM

Last month I posted about backup enrichment facilities & my belief that the facility struck was something along those lines because I feel that the Iranian program is tied to this. AP was a good man and he linked over despite the speculation.

The theory that made and still does make the most sense imho is that centrifuges or ancillary facilities were hit, not a reactor or nuclear weapons. The materials in question arriving by boat may have been initial quantities of nuclear materials destined for the enrichment facility packed with illicit centrifuges, we all know Iran has a shadow program aided by North Korea, there’s no reason not to assume facilities tying into Syria..

Syria & Iran are in full cooperation across the board, they were enriching uranium or were about to at a new centrifuge cascade facilitiy in Syria.

Great post Brian, why no response? How do you respond if you are Syria and an enrichment facility on your territory was bombed, and it had Iranian centrifuges in it with a shipment of North Korean nuclear base material destined for plutonium enrichment on the way so you could share in the warheads coming out down the line?

And if you are Iran? Do you also respond & reveal the fact that you are as everyone knows setting up back-up / shadow nuclear facilities everywhere so you can speed up the arrival of the Jihad bomb?

They will respond against us, using terrorism as they always do – which is the exact same way they will Gd forbid employ their 1st nuke.

saus on October 8, 2007 at 4:34 AM

Maxx on October 7, 2007 at 8:10 PM

Abrham Lincoln was the one who first instituted a federal income tax on the populace. It was later ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. Although he is (far too) reverently called, “The Great Emancipator,” he actually began the process of (economic) enslavement of all working U.S. citizens.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/documents/docpages/document_page57.htm

Texas Nick 77 on October 8, 2007 at 6:09 AM

No ones going to war over Syria, its been known for years that the only way Soviet air defenses are effective is when they are massed in a poorly tactical arraigement that is easily dealt with once uncovered

And in Vietnam concealed in the jungle most aircraft were brought down by massed rifle and cannon fire not sophisticated first generation Soviet air defenses

The Israels have shot down over 250 Syria aircraft in the 80′s and the 90′s and lo and behold no world war

EricPWJohnson on October 8, 2007 at 8:49 AM

We’re already in WW-III

VinceP1974 on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

WW II was the Cold War.

We are in WW IV, The Bug War.

[Thank you Robert A. Heinlein]

N. O'Brain on October 8, 2007 at 9:46 AM

I’m particularly impressed with how Israel handled this operation. All that we really know is that Israel did blow up something in Syria. You’d think that about ten Islamic nations would be screaming about this situation night and day, rattling sabers, sending suicide bombers, etc., but Israel did this job so well that they managed to keep even Ahmadinejad’s mouth shut.

I can only imagine the message delivered personally to Assad two minutes after stuff went kaboom. Hopefully it went something like, “You stupid cat, you just wasted life number 8. If you like your 9th and final life, keep this $#!% quiet.”

flutejpl on October 8, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Abrham Lincoln was the one who first instituted a federal income tax on the populace. It was later ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. Although he is (far too) reverently called, “The Great Emancipator,” he actually began the process of (economic) enslavement of all working U.S. citizens.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/documents/docpages/document_page57.htm

Texas Nick 77 on October 8, 2007 at 6:09 AM

The financial requirements of the Civil War prompted the first American income tax in 1861. At first, Congress placed a flat 3-percent tax on all incomes over $800 and later modified this principle to include a graduated tax. Congress repealed the income tax in 1872, but the concept did not disappear. — from your link

Yeah… well goes to prove nobody’s perfect, but he had to fund the war somehow and the court did not strike it down as un-Constitutional. And, at least that tax was repealed after the Civil War in 1872.

The next income tax, which Lincoln had nothing to do with being that he was assassinated in 1865 was passed in 1894. And according to your link, it was a 2% tax on incomes over $4,000 and this was in 1894… back when a dollar had the buying power of about twenty of our dollars today.

If that’s about right, then in today’s dollars, it would have been a 2% tax on incomes over $80,000, I wish we still had that income tax instead of what we have today. But I agree the income tax as it stands today is a sham and it should have never got started and I am displeased that Lincoln had anything to do with it, even though he need the money for a legitimate purpose. It’s important to keep in mind the tax he signed into law was for a specific purpose, to prosecute the war, a war that ended slavery in the USA. So let’s not be chiseling his face off of Mt. Rushmore just yet.

Maxx on October 8, 2007 at 10:10 AM

Abrham Lincoln was the one who first instituted a federal income tax on the populace. It was later ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court.

Texas Nick 77 on October 8, 2007 at 6:09 AM

I just noticed this. Your wrong about that. Re-read your own link. It was NOT the income tax signed into law by Lincoln that was ruled un-Constitutional, it was that tax that followed in 1894, long after Lincoln was dead, that was ruled un-Constitutional.

Maxx on October 8, 2007 at 10:33 AM

Rest assured about one thing: CNN, Mike Wallace, The Washington Post, The New York Times and the bulk of the MSM will condemn Israel no matter what it found in the raid. This is exactly what they all did in 1981 when Israel bombed Sadaam’s nuclear weapons facility. Rest assured also that the striped pants set at the State Department will also worry about “The Saudi reaction” and the State Department’s prep school trained careerists will work to undermine whatever President Bush does. Also expect Christine Amanpour to whine about Israel “violating international law”. The State Department has not changed since Carter’s Secretary of State, the late Cyrus Vance, went to Syria in 1977 to genuflect to Haffez El Assad. Assad made Secretary Vance wait in the hall for 3 hours before he (Assad) deigned to allow Vance to enter the Syrian president’s office. At the meeting, Assad denounced US and Israeli policy and barely paused to let Vance apologize. Nevertheless, Vance emerged from the meeting and stated: “Our relations with the Syrians are fine”. Right then and there, Assad knew he was dealing with a latter day Neville Chamberlain. And Syrian policy remains the same. The Syrians know that they can send terrorists and weapons into Iraq with impunity, they can murder Lebanese leaders and they can guide Hezbollah, knowing full well that the Main stream media and the careerists at the State Department will apologize and genuflect. In her recent interview with Assad, Jr. Diane Sawyer asked no tough questions to Assad, Jr. Instead she flirted with him, threw back her mane of blond hair and coyly asked him: “What’s on your Ipod, Mr. President?”.

Larraby on October 8, 2007 at 11:53 AM

Interesting article and comments.

Hopefully, this one gets updated regularly.

BallisticBob on October 8, 2007 at 12:18 PM

WW II was the Cold War.

We are in WW IV, The Bug War.

[Thank you Robert A. Heinlein]

N. O’Brain on October 8, 2007 at 9:46 AM

WW II ended in 1945.

Thank you, history class.

VinceP1974 on October 8, 2007 at 1:11 PM

We’re already in WW-III

VinceP1974 on October 7, 2007 at 6:00 PM

And the Battle of Armageddon is the final battle.

americaslaststand on October 8, 2007 at 4:53 PM

So [Assad's] lack of response probably comes down to his awareness that Israel possesses a credible threat of force against him. The September raid presented him with a moment of total clarity, so he stays mum.

I’m reminded of the Americans’ raid on Libya in the 1980s, which seemed to tame Gaddafi. It was reported at the time that one of Gaddafi’s children had probably been killed in the attack. Bringing danger home to such rulers seems to restore greater liberty and safety to the rest of us.

Kralizec on October 24, 2007 at 1:09 PM