Kos on Blackwater: Still “screw them” after all these years
posted at 4:10 pm on October 6, 2007 by Allahpundit
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He doesn’t have the stones to clearly reiterate what he said three years ago, just like he didn’t have the stones earlier this year to say outright that he hoped Michelle would be killed during her trip to Iraq even while gleefully imagining the conditions under which that scenario would surely come to pass. The face of the new center of the Democratic Party can’t be seen wishing death on people, no matter how apparent it is that he wishes death on people. So he has to stick to oblique nonsense like this, which tacitly reaffirms the “screw them” comment by spinning it as a defense of the troops instead of the ghoulish callousness towards an atrocity perpetrated upon four of his countrymen that it actually is.
Given the choice, the wingnuts always choose Blackwater over our own troops. They’re not on the same side, and haven’t been ever.
“It was obviously excessive, it was obviously wrong,” said the U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the incident remains the subject of several investigations. “The civilians that were fired upon, they didn’t have any weapons to fire back at them. And none of the IP (Iraqi Police) or any of the local security forces fired back at them.”
The whole “screw them” thing four [sic] years ago was exactly that — the wingers were more outraged over four Blackwater mercenaries killed than they were about the five Marines that had died that very same day.
He doesn’t believe that — there’s no sane reason why anyone, left, right, or center, would feel worse about the death of a contractor than an American soldier — but the recent Blackwater shooting gives him an opportunity to do damage control on his most notorious political gaffe and he’s taking advantage. At the risk of stating the obvious, the reason the Fallujah incident got so much press was because of the gruesomeness of the attack and the relish that was taken by the enemy in perpetrating it; the same is true for the atrocity committed against Tucker and Menchaca last year. Only a nutroots reptile could be so cold-blooded as not to feel affronted by the scene of four Americans being burned and hung from a bridge while local insurgents celebrated for the cameras, but that’s what this cretin is so that’s how he responds. According to iCasualties, fully 1,001 contractors had been killed in Iraq as of June 30. I’ve been reading blogs since 2002 and while I’ve seen plenty of tributes to fallen soldiers, the only mentions I’ve ever seen of dead contractors have to do with the four killed in the atrocity at Fallujah. Which, needless to say, is an odd quirk for “wingers” allegedly obsessed with protecting their precious heroes from Blackwater.
Update: So much do the Kossacks love our troops that they take steaming dumps on Bronze Star winners.
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The whole ’screm them thing’ was about spitting on dead Americans because the Left wishes us to fail.
He can’t take it back, and it’s going to be with him until he’s dust. Congrats, you little toad.
Asher on October 6, 2007 at 4:16 PM
Two comments from over there:
and
That’s as far as I could get. Yeesh.
erik on October 6, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Asher,
Beautifully stated.
Stephen M on October 6, 2007 at 4:23 PM
Gee, his original tirade at feeling nothing about the death of Americans didn’t mention anything about his overwhelming concern about 5 dead Marines. Seems this whole line of defense is rather convenient and it only took him 3 and a half years to think it up.
Hey Markos…screw you.
Drew on October 6, 2007 at 4:25 PM
The lefties were cheering just as loud as the terrorists were on the day those four barve men were killed, mutilated, burned and displayed.
Why? Because their leftist ideals have priority over their country. *If the Prez is a ‘Pub, then the enemy is my friend.*
As for those five Marines, had they been displayed too, the lefties would’ve celebrated just as much. A Marine is just as much a warmongering volunteer as a Merc is. Nevermind the fact that these leftoads are free to spew their bile BECAUSE of the Marines.
Oh, but remember, they DO support the Troops. Uh huh, yep, sure do. Don’t question them!
Tony737 on October 6, 2007 at 4:40 PM
The contractors aren’t fighting against the U.S. Military. These aren’t opposing sides. He makes no sense.
ZRyan on October 6, 2007 at 4:41 PM
Nutroots punk.
petefrt on October 6, 2007 at 4:50 PM
Kos has been playing drop the soap with the “progressive” elements so long he hasn’t a clue what reality is. The cave full of moonbats he posts to are nothing but latter day Stalinists. Hey Markos, eat shit and die.
mcgilvra on October 6, 2007 at 4:51 PM
A case study in how much you can obsess on your own political ideas before you lose all humanity.
frankj on October 6, 2007 at 4:54 PM
The BW guys are our guys,too.Plain and simple. However since they are not pure troops, theses vermin feel free to spew things against them that they don;’t have the nads to spew against the actual troops.
“The whole ’screm them thing’ was about spitting on dead Americans because the Left wishes us to fail.
He can’t take it back, and it’s going to be with him until he’s dust. Congrats, you little toad.”
First time I read it I read “little load” , which I think is more fitting, although I doubt he has mush testosterone at all.
bbz123 on October 6, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Not disagreeing with your point at all – but a lot of them were troops at one point. Many of them special forces.
erik on October 6, 2007 at 5:08 PM
It was my understanding that Blackwater exists for the purpose of providing security to private interests.
Why does this status deem them less respectable than actual military soldiers? They are still Americans; they are still upholding principles of law and order.
To make a correlation: Would you disrespect the security officers and night-watchmen who work in your office building just because they are not “real cops”?
Your employer is not entitled to utilize police to provide security for the workplace (except in cases of an actual 911 emergency). Yet they do provide security to protect you and themselves (and because it’s the right thing to do).
Likewise, private companies operating in Iraq are not entitled to utilize military, but that doesn’t mean they are not entitled to protect themselves.
Blackwater exists because there is a market for their services. They are human beings too; with Moms and families and friends back here. Kos must imagine they are some kind of de-programmed killing machines a la Kurt Russell in “Soldier”. It’s the only way I can even consider his remarks lucid.
kooly on October 6, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Ugh…that SUIT.
Every time I see it, I die a little in side.
Good Lt on October 6, 2007 at 5:16 PM
kooly on October 6, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Yes, and in addition, Blackwater are not “mercenaries,” as nutroots love to claim.
Mercenaries fight for the highest bidder. Blackwater won’t be turning against the USA if Iran, for example, dangles a fat contract in front of them.
Completely detached from reality, vocabulary and a patriotic (small p) awareness, these moonbats.
Good Lt on October 6, 2007 at 5:18 PM
One of the four Blackwater employees killed in Fallujah was a neighbor of mine from up Hamakua side, Wesley Batalona. The Daily Kos left are traitors and scum:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10494_In_Memory_of_Wesley_Batalona&only
Kalapana on October 6, 2007 at 5:21 PM
No matter who they were working for, the people who died that day were Americans and it was absolutely disgusting seeing those insurgents celebrating. People like markos and soros are pieces of crap with their anti-American views. Dark days are coming if the democraps win the ‘08 elections and people like markos and soros are calling the shots in Washington. What makes it even worse is how we conservatives are shooting outselves in the foot as exemplified by the other post stating that 1/4 of Republicans would vote for a third-party pro-life candidate over Rudy.
dawgyear on October 6, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Spirit of 1776 on October 6, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Yep – kinda like Mohammed.
T J Green on October 6, 2007 at 5:34 PM
bbz123 on October 6, 2007 at 5:02 PM
However since they are not pure troops,
Not disagreeing with your point at all – but a lot of them were troops at one point. Many of them special forces.
erik on October 6, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Oh, I am fully aware of this, but it is that fine line that these little slimeballs have crossed because ,well,they’re vermin of the lowest order, I like sewer rats more than the Kos kids.
bbz123 on October 6, 2007 at 6:10 PM
I had no idea so many civilian contractors had lost their lives in Iraq! Here is Pulitzer Prize winner and Kossite Mike Lucovich’s recent take on Blackwater.
Do we have Markos’ take on the Haditha Marines? Did he jump to their defense or rush to judgment like Murtha?
Exactly. I am also sick of hearing how they won’t vote for Mitt because he’s a Mormon, or because he once held pro-choice views.
All this my way or the highway thinking is so self-defeating and discouraging.
Buy Danish on October 6, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Again, parodying themselves, the left calls for a hasty and painful death to any and all right-wing hate mongers. Although I will continue to pay attention to their mindless rants just because I like to keep up to date, I can’t force myself to care what they’re saying because there isn’t one of them whose words don’t come straight from the colon.
Wingo on October 6, 2007 at 6:25 PM
Here’s a reminder about who the civilian contractors were that Moulitsas doesn’t give a damn about. From Flopping Aces:
Buy Danish on October 6, 2007 at 6:43 PM
So, if Markos dies in a terrorist attack, he wants us to mock and revile him?
Why wait?
He’s a vicious, loathesome, brainless weasel’s purulent hemmorhoid.
profitsbeard on October 6, 2007 at 6:56 PM
Just a reminder of what happened to the Blackwater people in Fallujah in 2004. Allahpundit’s description of it is spot-on: Two Days in Fallujah
The pictures at that page should be plastered all over the internet followed by Kos’ comments about the deaths followed by the entire Democratic field of Presidential candidates supporting YearlyKos. That comment alone should have buried Kos. The fact that it has not and he has gotten away with it and with hiding it is despicable.
Michael in MI on October 6, 2007 at 7:57 PM
Excerpts from “Blackwater: Hired Guns, Above the Law” by Jeremy Scahill:
“Colonel Thomas Hammes, the US military official once overseeing the creation of a new Iraqi military, has described driving around Iraq with Iraqis and encountering Blackwater operatives. “They were running me off the road. We were threatened and intimidated,” Hammes said. But, he added, “they were doing their job, exactly what they were paid to do in the way they were paid to do it, and they were making enemies on every single pass out of town.” Hammes concluded the contractors were “hurting our counterinsurgency effort.”
Brigadier General Karl Horst, deputy commander of the 3rd Infantry Division said of private security contractors, “These guys run loose in this country and do stupid stuff. There’s no authority over them, so you can’t come down on them hard when they escalate force…. They shoot people, and someone else has to deal with the aftermath. It happens all over the place.” Horst tracked contractor conduct for a two month period in Baghdad and documented at least a dozen shootings of Iraqi civilians by contractors, resulting in six Iraqi deaths and the wounding of three others. That is just one General in one area of Iraq in just 60 days.
The conduct of these private forces sends a clear message to the Iraqi people: American lives are worth infinitely more than theirs, even if their only crime is driving their vehicle in the wrong place at the wrong time. One could say that Blackwater has been very successful at fulfilling its mission–to keep alive senior US officials. But at what price?“
I can not even imagine back during RVN having an outfit like Blackwater running around loose. The U.S. Army itself would have moved against them. Just shows how undermanned and stretched our small Army is too have to accept this. I wonder how many American soldiers have been killed by Iraqis pissed off at Blackwater.
MB4 on October 6, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Also, Michael Yon was friends with one of the murdered Blackwater guys: Scott Helvenston Memorial Scholarship
Just like our soldiers are more than just numbers, but are actual people – men and women – with names and families and histories… so too are the Blackwater employees people – men and women – with names and families and histories… they are not some political football.
And just like there were/are bad seeds in the U.S. military, so too were there bad seeds in Blackwater. And in both cases, the military and Blackwater does their best to get rid of the bad seeds.
Michael in MI on October 6, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Allah, Allah, Allah
I think this is worthy of an update and mention….BLACKWATERGATE LINKED TO HILL{ary)
SO SUCK IT KOS
Topsecretk9 on October 6, 2007 at 8:51 PM
and MB4 — it is painfully obvious you are a DougJ spoof/concern troll, so get bent. You are not fooling anyone.
Topsecretk9 on October 6, 2007 at 8:54 PM
I think he bought it in the boys department at Sears.
ReubenJCogburn on October 6, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Now, now don’t get yourself all upset and I’m not trying to fool anyone.
Was it Colonel Thomas Hammes or Brigadier General Karl Horst, deputy commander of the 3rd ID, who’s words upset you the most?
MB4 on October 6, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Markos. . . . Move-on
Your a sick little fella Markos, Move-on
Texyank on October 6, 2007 at 9:49 PM
Just look at him. I’d be a self-loathing moron too.
Metro on October 6, 2007 at 10:34 PM
MB4,
Who said that? Jeremy Scahill, I presume.
Just a little tidbit from his resume’ –
You may not wish to open those links so I’ll do it for you:
Are you just playing agent-provacateur as you claimed you were doing when I found a comment by you at Firedoglake.com, where you opined that the Dems needed to “expel” Joe Lieberman?
The only things I have ever seen you say that could possibly be construed as “conservative” is your abhorrence of radical Islam. However, I think that’s just because you’re a self-described Atheist and you probably don’t have much nice to say about Christianity either.
Buy Danish on October 6, 2007 at 10:41 PM
LGF “We already know they’re a sick bunch of creeps, but this one sets a new standard for loathsomeness.”
In other words, the latrine is full of happy rats wallowing in the perfect medium, led by the head-rat, Mr. Moulitsas himself.
Entelechy on October 7, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Your analytical abilities are showing further deterioration.
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Uh huh. That limp response is what happens when you don’t have a quote handy.
Any more Leftists you’d like us to read so we can have an open mind and trash Blackwater or Rudy Guiliani like you? So far today you’ve given us Fred Kaplan and Jeremy Scahill. Maybe a little Noam Chomsky would be fun!
By the way since you think that growing up on the Upper East Side holds some symbolic significance, what shall I make of Oregon?
Crunch crunch.
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 12:57 AM
Your memory is still faulty. Better have your B12 blood level checked to start with.
I don’t abhor “radical” Islam, I abhor Islam!!!
BTW, I also abhor the invasion of our once sovereign country by illegals and I abhor even more their money grubbing serf master plantation employers and their facilitators in our government such as Jorge Arbusto!!!
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 12:59 AM
What part of what Colonel Thomas Hammes, the US military official once overseeing the creation of a new Iraqi military and Brigadier General Karl Horst, deputy commander of the 3rd Infantry Division said don’t you understand? Do you think that they are a couple of leftists too? It is so obvious that you have never been in the U.S. Army. Why don’t you join up and get back to me later.
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 1:06 AM
My memory is faulty now? Last week you said it was you who didn’t remember making a comment about expelling Lieberman from the Democrat Party, after I cut and pasted a direct quote with your name on it.
Mea culpa!
Are you referring to the Mexican elite or the Americans who give them jobs?
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 1:12 AM
I realize that was not directed to me, since I never said “What’s the matter with you anyway” but I do have a comment: Do you ever tire of your chicken hawk routine?
As for whether those men whom you and the Leftist author use as fodder for their arguments, I have no idea if they are Leftists or not. Since former Nato General Wesley Clark is a Leftist, it’s certainly within the realm of possibilities.
What matters is how much of what is quoted was taken out of context or generously interpreted by the Leftist book author. It also could be a matter of turf wars which go on all the time.
What’s obvious is that you seem awfully eager to take what these men are quoted as saying and come to the worst possible conclusion.
Why is that I wonder?
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 1:26 AM
Okay, a little Google and I see that the Leftist author is probably not taking Colonel Thomas Hammes out of context:
That does sounds
kindavery Lefty to me.Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 1:33 AM
Hello!!! MB4 is not my real name. It is actually Christoper Hitchens! No only fooling. You did a search on the entire internet and found some quote on a website that I had never even heard of by some one using MB4 and so it must be me? Who even cares Michael Nifong II. As big as the internet is, you do realize that it is not just us commenting at HotAir, there may be dozens of people using that. Tens of thousand of guys who went to the U.S. Army Field Artillery school know what it means. It could have been Tommy Franks for all I know. Oh tell the world Tommy Franks is MB4!!! Could even have been someones initials. It is not exactly unique like an SSN. The only way I could even imagine my saying what you quoted was if I was pulling some lefty legs, but the wording did not even match my way of wording things very well. BTW when I post on other sites I usually don’t even use MB4. I have other “handles” that I like much better. You are sure obsessed with extraneous piss ant trivia in any case.
Learn how to read.
P.S. Are you Mcguvers replacement as my stalker? Neither one of you is very good at it. Why don’t you go tap tap at Larry Craig for a while. All your obsessive attention is getting rather embarrassing. I’m going to have to try to just ignore you.
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 1:52 AM
The ignore tap tap yappy dog light is now on.
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 2:03 AM
MB4,
I found the quote last week at Democrat Underground, and you know that because when I asked if it was you you responded to it, so it’s a little late to play a brand new game at this late hour.
As for your rant about Mexico, if I can’t understand it it’s because your overwrought writing was not clear.
By the way, here’s a quote from Hammes about Blackwater that you have not cited:
“The problem is, in protecting the principal they had to be very aggressive, and each time they went out, they had to offend locals, forcing them to the side of the road, being overpowering and intimidating, at times running vehicles off the road, making enemies each time they went out,” Hammes said in a PBS interview. However, Hammes noted, “Black water’s an extraordinarily professional organization, and they were doing exactly what they were tasked to do.”
Over and out.
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 2:19 AM
MB4,
FACT. You routinely call people chicken hawks, either directly or indirectly.
Stop projecting your pathological tendency to prevaricate onto me.
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 2:22 AM
Of what a tangled web we weave, once we practice to deceive.
First you say that I used that term on Limbaugh like he would even care if I did.
Then when demonstrated otherwise, by the link that you yourself provided on an earlier thread, you say that well I used that type of argument (presumable directly by default) in effect conceding that I did not use that word, on Limbaugh.
Now you are back to saying I used the actual term but that I do it directly or indirectly like you can not even tell, but you just know that it must be one or the other. You just know it! Presumably indirectly or you would not likely have stuck the word indirectly in.
That is if I can even follow your ridiculously convolutions anymore Mike Nifong II/John Murtha II.
Make up your profoundly challenged mind!
You also seem to be of the opinion that anyone who does use that term is violating some commandment of God or law of man. Using any manner of other “condemnation” like “wants to surrender”, “traitor”, “cut-and-run” is perfectly OK, but that term that you seem so unbelievably obsessed with is somehow VERBOTEN!
To be perfectly blunt about it, you are a silly shallow ridiculous obsessed stalker that I will not bother with any more.
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 4:41 AM
What kind of convoluted “thinking” is that?
You can not be both over and out. It makes no sense.
If you had ever been in the U.S. Army you would probably know that.
OK, I bothered with you one more time, but that’s it. Go find someone of you own age and intellectual level to play with if you can find anyone like that.
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 4:52 AM
kooly,
But let’s be clear that in Iraq, what they’re doing is providing security for lots of state Department folks, and for those contractors that are providing services to the US military and diplomats. The 4 that were murdered and desecrated in Fallujah were providing security for a food service convoy. KBR property, yes, but it was food and the equipment to serve it destined to feed our military men and women.
So what that maggot Moulitsas is saying is “I, like, totally support the troops. But the people who see to it that those troops are able to eat? Screw them.” He would have you think that it was an oil stealing convoy or some such “war profiteering” idiocy. But no, it was food for our troops. If that isn’t supporting them, I don’t know what is.
And of course you’ll never see the MSM call him out on it.
As the Blackwater honcho said in response to a “mercenary” comment in the recent hearings…
Period. End of story.
Pablo on October 7, 2007 at 7:45 AM
MB4 on October 7, 2007 at 4:52 AM
Somehow I missed your latest screed, and you probably went to bed convinced your arguments were so brilliant I couldn’t respond. Not.
I never said that you used that word and I defy you to find a quote from me where I said you did. I have repeatedly said you used that argument. Child, the point is not whether HE would care, the point is that I care because it is a cheap trick used by dishonest cowards like you.
I most certainly did NOT. There’s a very easy solution:
Find the quote where I said what you hallucinate I said. Have fun looking!
What the hell are you ranting about? It is a cheap and dishonest argument, but it has nothing to do with religion. Isn’t it atheists who argue that it’s not necessary to believe in God in order to be moral and ethical?
It is perfectly ethical and reasonable to say that the Democrats (and you) want to cut and run. That is a matter of taking evidence and drawing an obvious conclusion. It is not ethical or reasonable to argue that unless one served in the military one has no right to an opinion on the war.
Bwak Bwak Bwak. There you go using a chicken hawk argument again. It’s an expression MB4, that’s all. Grow up.
LOL. If that were my criteria, I would not be spending even a millisecond with you.
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 9:03 AM
MB4,
I’ll make this very easy for you. This is all you need to answer:
Did you intend to convey the message that you believe Rush is a Chickenhawk, or not? Do you continually mean to convey the message that some commentators here at Hot Air are Chickenhawks?
Or is poor little MB4 being misunderstood by big bad Buy Danish (and others)?
Buy Danish on October 7, 2007 at 10:07 AM
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