“Torture” memos: Democrats politicizing the war, again
posted at 9:00 am on October 5, 2007 by Bryan
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Another day, another political football.
Senate and House Democrats demanded Thursday to see two secret memos that reportedly authorize painful interrogation tactics against terror suspects — despite the Bush administration’s insistence that it has not violated U.S. anti-torture laws.
ADVERTISEMENTWhite House and Justice Department press officers said legal opinions written in 2005 did not reverse an administration policy issued in 2004 that publicly renounced torture as “abhorrent.”
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller sent a letter to the acting attorney general saying the administration’s credibility is at risk if the documents are not turned over to Congress.
The memos are “critical to an appropriate assessment” of interrogation tactics approved by the White House and the Justice Department, Rockefeller wrote to Acting Attorney General Peter D. Keisler. “Why should the public have confidence that the program is either legal or in the best interests of the United States?” the West Virginia Democrat asked.
What I can’t figure out is why anyone anywhere should have any confidence in anything that Sen. Rockefeller says. He has been operating right along the lines of a Democrat Intelligence Committee memo that surfaced way back in 2003. It outlined a Democrat strategy for using that committee to politicize nearly everything about the war. Sen. Rockefeller was the ranking member at the time, so he was certainly in the distro loop on it, if it didn’t come from his own office.
“We have carefully reviewed our options under the rules and believe we have identified the best approach. Our plan is as follows:
“1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard.
“For example, in addition to the President’s State of the Union speech, the chairman [Sen. Pat Roberts] has agreed to look at the activities of the office of the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, as well as Secretary Bolton’s office at the State Department.
“The fact that the chairman supports our investigations into these offices and cosigns our requests for information is helpful and potentially crucial. We don’t know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. [We can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.]
“2) Assiduously prepare Democratic ‘additional views’ to attach to any interim or final reports the committee may release. Committee rules provide this opportunity and we intend to take full advantage of it.
“In that regard we may have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims. We will contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry.
“The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an Independent Commission [i.e., the Corzine Amendment.]
“3) Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation of the administration’s use of intelligence at any time. But we can only do so once.
“The best time to do so will probably be next year, either:
“A) After we have already released our additional views on an interim report, thereby providing as many as three opportunities to make our case to the public. Additional views on the interim report (1). The announcement of our independent investigation (2). And (3) additional views on the final investigation. Or:
“B) Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue, we would attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the use of intelligence.
“In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter footdragging on the part of the majority. For example, the FBI Niger investigation was done solely at the request of the vice chairman. We have independently submitted written requests to the DOD and we are preparing further independent requests for information.
“SUMMARY: Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public’s concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet we have an important role to play in revealing the misleading, if not flagrantly dishonest, methods and motives of senior administration officials who made the case for unilateral preemptive war.
“The approach outlined above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration’s dubious motives.”
Keep in mind, this was 2003. Joseph Wilson and his wife weren’t household names yet. The Iraq war itself was only a few months old, and had been based primarily on intelligence gathered during the Clinton years, and upon which the Clinton administration had based two medium-sized actions against Iraq, one in 1998 and one in 2000. And the Democrats had investigated nothing by November of 2003, but this memo outlines the conclusions that they had already reached and the strategy that they were going to employ to discredit the war, using their seats on the Intelligence Committee to do it.
I did some extensive blogging on this memo at the time, but it went down the memory hole before too long. The MSM never really pursued the memo’s implications, which are that the Democrats have for nearly four years been operating a disinformation campaign according to this script and dragging the American people through a grueling game of political gotcha just to lead us to defeat.
So with this latest memo, the old script appears to be alive and well. Just like the 2003 script says, Democrats are trying to
1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard.
They don’t know what’s in the memos that they’re seeking, but they’re raising suspicions anyway, just like the script says.
We don’t know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. [We can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.]
Shameless.
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yep .
trailortrash on October 5, 2007 at 9:12 AM
Funny. Not one single mention of upholding and defending the constitution as the primary motivation.
csdeven on October 5, 2007 at 9:13 AM
Democrats are friends of our enemies and as such are themselves a danger to the Republic. It would be interesting to hear how they would fight a war . . . I suspect capitulation would be high on their list of war fighting priorities.
rplat on October 5, 2007 at 9:16 AM
Quick, someone send them a link to Zombie’s Folsom Street Fair photo essay. I’ll bet at least one will believe they were taken in Iraq or Guantanamo and introduce a resolution condemning the military.
saint kansas on October 5, 2007 at 9:17 AM
Fixed it.
They’re so full of it.
fogw on October 5, 2007 at 9:17 AM
lib dems are the best weapon our enemies have…their game plan is to politize..obstruct…mislead…have no ideas…no plan..winning is not their adjenda…
They are all like sherrotten brownie of Ohio…DISHONEST…ARROGANT…AND JUST PLAN STUPID…
areseaoh on October 5, 2007 at 9:21 AM
President Billary sent a indictment to OBL today after it was learned of his location from a prisoner of war. He revealed OBLs location when he was allowed to win a game of Chutes & Ladders with his interrogators.
Limerick on October 5, 2007 at 9:23 AM
So to sum up the situation in one sentence:
The Republican administration is condoning torture and the Democrats in Congress are using that to their political advantage.
I somehow am more disturbed by the first half of that sentence than by the second half.
factoid on October 5, 2007 at 9:28 AM
Well, I should have put “torture” in quotes in the title, because it hasn’t been established that there’s anything new in the memos in question at all. The Democrats are just assuming and accusing ahead of the facts, as usual and as according to the script.
Bryan on October 5, 2007 at 9:33 AM
The Democratic leadership are horrible people. They really don’t give a damn about this country.
CP on October 5, 2007 at 9:45 AM
Hugh Hewitt was right, liberals could get me killed ( I paraphrase his exact comment).
MNDavenotPC on October 5, 2007 at 9:57 AM
I only approve of using torture on these Democrats.
Who give away our military and security secrets to the enemy in time of war.
And who are actively undermining the nation for their short-term power advantage.
Shouldn’t this specific “torture” question be investigated behind their own closed doors, first, and not in the public arena, since the tactics exposed may damage our ability to defeat an enemy that plays by no rules except slicing off your head while shouting “Allahu ackbar”?
The only real questions are: can one consider the Dems insane?
And: is it ever justifiable to torture the insane?
Let the Republicans ask that in Congress in reply to this open subversion of our security by the Dems.
profitsbeard on October 5, 2007 at 10:01 AM
Makes me think of Scooter.
allrsn on October 5, 2007 at 10:16 AM
There is simply no way that I could ever vote for a Democrat for any national position…and that lets the Republicans get away with all sorts of other BS
WisCon on October 5, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Shameless or treasonous?
stonemeister on October 5, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Yep ! !
Texyank on October 5, 2007 at 10:23 AM
What the hell is it with Democrats?
It seem that if it isn’t the Ritz Carlton and and a feather bed and Earl Grey tea, it’s torture.
They all come from the Jimmy Carter school of intelligence gathering- you know, as in nothing.
And what is the fear? That our soldiers will be treated in the same manner?
We could only hope for that.
God save us from these idiots.
drjohn on October 5, 2007 at 10:43 AM
Here’s my reply to the Democrats obtaining the transcripts, “F%$* Off and Die.”
ic1redeye on October 5, 2007 at 10:44 AM
I would really like to challenge one of these morons yelling “torture” to a contest. I would receive the treatment that the morons are calling “torture” and a moron gets tortured as the word has been traditionally understood. We’ll see who last the longest before demanding the contest be ended. And just to be clear, I’m a coward and the morons can feel free to choose a brave moron.
thuja on October 5, 2007 at 10:53 AM
What I find interesting is how the headlines for these stories evolve. Earlier, yesterday, the YahooNews haadline read,
“Democrats demand to see interrogation memos.”
Later, it was,
“Democrats want to see interrogation memos.”
Yet, I see in this story the used the word, ‘demanded.’
Nuance, people. Nuance. “Demand” was undoubtedly deemed too strong…….
JannyMae on October 5, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Funny. Not one single mention of upholding and defending the constitution as the primary motivation. –csdeven
Yep, and out of the other sides of their mouths, they accuse the Bush Administration of politicizing the war.
JannyMae on October 5, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Terribly disgusting and underhanded.
.
This should be headline news because of its hideous nature and devious intent.
shooter on October 5, 2007 at 11:10 AM
It’s beyond belief that the (D)ummos misdirect a memo that exposes their judicial obstruction and it’s ignored. The the (D)ummos misdirect a memo that exposes their plans to abuse the Intelligence Committee to advance partisan frauds and that memo details exactly what they are in fact doing… and the NewsMedia ignores it.
We are not talking conspiracy “theory” here… we are talking about a recipe for Anti-American abuse of authority which is being executed in spite of it’s exposure all while the NewsMedia refuses to report the story.
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Jay Rockefeller(D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
DANEgerus on October 5, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Democrats’ Plan: Undermine and expose every long-standing principle and unwritten rule – don’t leave any stone unturned. Power is our only goal.
Rick on October 5, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Relativity works among weasels too – some definitely look/act more weaselly than others.
Entelechy on October 5, 2007 at 1:32 PM
More white noise so no one hears of progress by our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
T J Green on October 5, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Now the top YahooNews story reads, “Bush defends terror interrogation policies.”
I wish I had a nickel for every time I saw a headline starting out, “Bush defends…”
JannyMae on October 5, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Good point
allrsn on October 5, 2007 at 4:53 PM
The phony phony soldiers has been such a distraction. This story should be getting legs with Rush, Hannity and O’Reilly but it isn’t.
Anyway, three more items about Jay “Benedict” Rockefeller:
Buy Danish on October 5, 2007 at 4:59 PM
I do apologize.
REAAAALLY I do, but, that photo looks a parody.
A milquetoast wussified parody.
seejanemom on October 5, 2007 at 6:59 PM
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