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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Ruffini: SiteMeter inadvertently inflating Kos&#8217;s traffic by 60%?</title>
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		<title>By: GINA COBB</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-740022</link>
		<dc:creator>GINA COBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SiteMeter Admits: It Does Routinely Inflate Visitor Counts for High-Traffic Websites Like Daily Kos...&lt;/strong&gt;

This is inside baseball primarily of interest to bloggers, but bear with me. SiteMeter -- the dominant visitor count tracking service in the blogosphere -- has quietly admitted that it does routinely overcount visitors to high traffic websites. A blog ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SiteMeter Admits: It Does Routinely Inflate Visitor Counts for High-Traffic Websites Like Daily Kos&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This is inside baseball primarily of interest to bloggers, but bear with me. SiteMeter &#8212; the dominant visitor count tracking service in the blogosphere &#8212; has quietly admitted that it does routinely overcount visitors to high traffic websites. A blog &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crow for dinner: Ruffini was right, even if he didn&#039;t have the evidence in hand for his first post.  Turns out the &quot;visits&quot; statistic as tracked by SiteMeter is not accurate for high traffic sites and their FAQ misrepresents how &quot;visits&quot; expire (by only mentioning the 30 minute timeout).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crow for dinner: Ruffini was right, even if he didn&#8217;t have the evidence in hand for his first post.  Turns out the &#8220;visits&#8221; statistic as tracked by SiteMeter is not accurate for high traffic sites and their FAQ misrepresents how &#8220;visits&#8221; expire (by only mentioning the 30 minute timeout).</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ruffini proves that Kos&#8217;s traffic is inflated?</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-719455</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ruffini proves that Kos&#8217;s traffic is inflated?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] follow-up to yesterday&#8217;s post for the five or six people who care. After I and a few others questioned his theory, Ruffini [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] follow-up to yesterday&#8217;s post for the five or six people who care. After I and a few others questioned his theory, Ruffini [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What I’ve never figured out is why most visitors to my site have a site length visit of zero seconds. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This one is easy.  They&#039;re not tracking how long your browser stays open on the site, they&#039;re tracking the time between your first page view and your last page view, within a &quot;visit&quot; (which for Sitemeter, is any series of page views with no more than 30 minutes between the two.).  So if you click at noon, then on another page at 12:10pm, then go to the grocery store, your visit will have lasted 10 minutes.

&quot;Zero second&quot; page views happen when the time between your first page view and your last page view is zero.  That is, your first page view &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; your last page view, because you only viewed one page.  So as the average visit length approaches zero, that is a sign of your inability to retain visitors.  But don&#039;t take it as a literal -- because even for the &quot;zero seconds&quot; page views, the person probably spent more time than that.  What would be better is to say &quot;24% of visitors viewed more than one page.  The average time spent on the site for these visitors was 4 minutes&quot; -- that is, don&#039;t count 0 second views.

As for the &quot;SiteMeter only tracks 100 visitors&quot; thing by Ruffini -- he&#039;s misreading what SiteMeter says.  The limit is on tracking visitor &lt;em&gt;details&lt;/em&gt;.  He&#039;s assuming that if they&#039;re not showing him details for more than 100 visitors, they&#039;re not tracking more than 100 visitors.  All it takes to track visitors is the storing of two things: an IP address, and a timestamp.

Yourish is right.  And Ruffini is out of his depth.  The only reason this is getting any traction at all is because it calls into question Daily Kos traffic numbers.  If Gore had won in FL in 2000 by a big margin, no one on the left would have been complaining about &quot;disenfranchisement.&quot;  Cui bono?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What I’ve never figured out is why most visitors to my site have a site length visit of zero seconds. </p></blockquote>
<p>This one is easy.  They&#8217;re not tracking how long your browser stays open on the site, they&#8217;re tracking the time between your first page view and your last page view, within a &#8220;visit&#8221; (which for Sitemeter, is any series of page views with no more than 30 minutes between the two.).  So if you click at noon, then on another page at 12:10pm, then go to the grocery store, your visit will have lasted 10 minutes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Zero second&#8221; page views happen when the time between your first page view and your last page view is zero.  That is, your first page view <strong>is</strong> your last page view, because you only viewed one page.  So as the average visit length approaches zero, that is a sign of your inability to retain visitors.  But don&#8217;t take it as a literal &#8212; because even for the &#8220;zero seconds&#8221; page views, the person probably spent more time than that.  What would be better is to say &#8220;24% of visitors viewed more than one page.  The average time spent on the site for these visitors was 4 minutes&#8221; &#8212; that is, don&#8217;t count 0 second views.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;SiteMeter only tracks 100 visitors&#8221; thing by Ruffini &#8212; he&#8217;s misreading what SiteMeter says.  The limit is on tracking visitor <em>details</em>.  He&#8217;s assuming that if they&#8217;re not showing him details for more than 100 visitors, they&#8217;re not tracking more than 100 visitors.  All it takes to track visitors is the storing of two things: an IP address, and a timestamp.</p>
<p>Yourish is right.  And Ruffini is out of his depth.  The only reason this is getting any traction at all is because it calls into question Daily Kos traffic numbers.  If Gore had won in FL in 2000 by a big margin, no one on the left would have been complaining about &#8220;disenfranchisement.&#8221;  Cui bono?</p>
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		<title>By: BadBrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>BadBrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: If Kos throws a temper tantrum and yells &quot;Action Alert!&quot;... but no one hears him... does it make a sound?

Answer:  Who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: If Kos throws a temper tantrum and yells &#8220;Action Alert!&#8221;&#8230; but no one hears him&#8230; does it make a sound?</p>
<p>Answer:  Who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: canopfor</title>
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		<dc:creator>canopfor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bottom line is that Kos is getting more
free commercial air time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bottom line is that Kos is getting more<br />
free commercial air time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kralizec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kralizec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made the comment that follows on Meryl Yourish’s post. Yourish moderates comments before allowing them to appear on the site, so I’m cross-posting the comment here rather than risk its loss. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;October 3rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm

The question is one as to whether there is a defect in Sitemeter’s tracking software. Meryl Yourish makes Sitemeter’s documentation authoritative as to how Sitemeter’s software really works; this seems such an obvious error that I disdain further comment on it. Yourish also relies on experience at Lucent as a basis for a claim as to how visitor tracking usually works. But whether Yourish’s experience at Lucent is relevant depends partly on whether Sitemeter’s software has the defect Patrick Ruffini thinks he has detected. Whether Sitemeter’s tracking works the way tracking supposedly usually works also depends on whether Sitemeter’s software has that defect. Moreover, the way software usually works is this: Software has defects. Meryl Yourish doesn’t appear to have settled anything.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made the comment that follows on Meryl Yourish’s post. Yourish moderates comments before allowing them to appear on the site, so I’m cross-posting the comment here rather than risk its loss. </p>
<blockquote><p>October 3rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm</p>
<p>The question is one as to whether there is a defect in Sitemeter’s tracking software. Meryl Yourish makes Sitemeter’s documentation authoritative as to how Sitemeter’s software really works; this seems such an obvious error that I disdain further comment on it. Yourish also relies on experience at Lucent as a basis for a claim as to how visitor tracking usually works. But whether Yourish’s experience at Lucent is relevant depends partly on whether Sitemeter’s software has the defect Patrick Ruffini thinks he has detected. Whether Sitemeter’s tracking works the way tracking supposedly usually works also depends on whether Sitemeter’s software has that defect. Moreover, the way software usually works is this: Software has defects. Meryl Yourish doesn’t appear to have settled anything.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kralizec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kralizec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, compare SM’s free basic service to the premium service: for $6.95 a month, SM will provide details for the last 4,000 visits, not the last 100. Which means, if Ruffini’s glitch theory is correct, that a premium account will result in a much lower (and more accurate) visit count than a free, basic account. That’s an odd feature to include in your pay service, especially when bloggers depend upon higher visit counts for ad rates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It seems someone with a paid Sitemeter account and a very active site can test this point by registering for an unpaid account, adding the second counter to the page for a few days, and comparing the counts.  The staff at Sitemeter may be willing to help set up and monitor that test or a better-devised one, unless they already have solid information to settle reasonable questions.  It will probably be good for them to take an interest in this matter; it seems an enterprising trial lawyer would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In fact, compare SM’s free basic service to the premium service: for $6.95 a month, SM will provide details for the last 4,000 visits, not the last 100. Which means, if Ruffini’s glitch theory is correct, that a premium account will result in a much lower (and more accurate) visit count than a free, basic account. That’s an odd feature to include in your pay service, especially when bloggers depend upon higher visit counts for ad rates.</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems someone with a paid Sitemeter account and a very active site can test this point by registering for an unpaid account, adding the second counter to the page for a few days, and comparing the counts.  The staff at Sitemeter may be willing to help set up and monitor that test or a better-devised one, unless they already have solid information to settle reasonable questions.  It will probably be good for them to take an interest in this matter; it seems an enterprising trial lawyer would.</p>
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		<title>By: BKennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BKennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Kos&#039; massive traffic really haleped them with &lt;strike&gt;Senator&lt;/strike&gt; Left-Wing Loser Lamont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Kos&#8217; massive traffic really haleped them with <strike>Senator</strike> Left-Wing Loser Lamont.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Romeo13 on October 3, 2007 at 3:10 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;You&#039;re right. It&#039;s a classic trick and even his own members don&#039;t know what he&#039;s doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Romeo13 on October 3, 2007 at 3:10 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re right. It&#8217;s a classic trick and even his own members don&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, it doesn’t matter — unless the site uses auto-refresh, which we do not.Allahpundit on October 3, 2007 at 5:39 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So what kind of activity constitutes or determines a &quot;visit length&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, it doesn’t matter — unless the site uses auto-refresh, which we do not.Allahpundit on October 3, 2007 at 5:39 PM
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<p>So what kind of activity constitutes or determines a &#8220;visit length&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does it matter how long your stay on a site? I tend to leave browser windows open overnight and I don’t know if this is getting AP closer to his iPhone.
MamaAJ on October 3, 2007 at 5:39 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good Q, anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does it matter how long your stay on a site? I tend to leave browser windows open overnight and I don’t know if this is getting AP closer to his iPhone.<br />
MamaAJ on October 3, 2007 at 5:39 PM
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<p>Good Q, anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Allahpundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allahpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it doesn&#039;t matter -- unless the site uses auto-refresh, which we do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8212; unless the site uses auto-refresh, which we do not.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see-dubya on October 3, 2007 at 2:28 PM
.
try to pull them out gently with out problem and BOOM, Knots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see-dubya on October 3, 2007 at 2:28 PM<br />
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try to pull them out gently with out problem and BOOM, Knots!</p>
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		<title>By: MamaAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it matter how long your stay on a site? I tend to leave browser windows open overnight and I don&#039;t know if this is getting AP closer to his iPhone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter how long your stay on a site? I tend to leave browser windows open overnight and I don&#8217;t know if this is getting AP closer to his iPhone.</p>
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		<title>By: sharinlite</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharinlite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This info might give me some relief.  I honestly thought a very large number of Americans had truly gone
around the bend, but, if this holds up, than the advertisers
have gotten hit bad, politicians and lobbyists also.  I check with Hotair several times a day all day to keep up to date so does that inflate HA&#039;s numbers?  To get back to my first thoughts, I feel much better thinking only l/3 of the citizens are crazy loons (this includes the Ron Paul groupies too).&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This info might give me some relief.  I honestly thought a very large number of Americans had truly gone<br />
around the bend, but, if this holds up, than the advertisers<br />
have gotten hit bad, politicians and lobbyists also.  I check with Hotair several times a day all day to keep up to date so does that inflate HA&#8217;s numbers?  To get back to my first thoughts, I feel much better thinking only l/3 of the citizens are crazy loons (this includes the Ron Paul groupies too).</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Right Tracker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Tracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick note for those who look at these stats for potential advertising.  No smart advertiser would go by sitemeter when determining where to advertise.  I mean the only reason you use something like that, is to make sure that folks see the highest, unverifiable numbers and them going ga ga over the potential reach.

Believe it or not, I came across a site that was advertising more than 10 million visitors per day.  Except their numbers are HITS, not unique visitors.  Big difference.

Bottom line, install an analytics software and check uniques.  If you&#039;re looking advertise, go with a good ad agency, or a well known site who&#039;s advertising is third-party managed.  Those are generally most reliable, but more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick note for those who look at these stats for potential advertising.  No smart advertiser would go by sitemeter when determining where to advertise.  I mean the only reason you use something like that, is to make sure that folks see the highest, unverifiable numbers and them going ga ga over the potential reach.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, I came across a site that was advertising more than 10 million visitors per day.  Except their numbers are HITS, not unique visitors.  Big difference.</p>
<p>Bottom line, install an analytics software and check uniques.  If you&#8217;re looking advertise, go with a good ad agency, or a well known site who&#8217;s advertising is third-party managed.  Those are generally most reliable, but more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: SoulGlo</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717252</link>
		<dc:creator>SoulGlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daily Kos has a habit of inflating numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daily Kos has a habit of inflating numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: bosteed</title>
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		<dc:creator>bosteed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us recall the lessons of Occam&#039;s Razor:  perhaps it is my site that is siphoning off Mr. Kos&#039; traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us recall the lessons of Occam&#8217;s Razor:  perhaps it is my site that is siphoning off Mr. Kos&#8217; traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: CommentGuy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717239</link>
		<dc:creator>CommentGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the visit counters our remote traffic monitors do the job.

The only accurate way is from the server logs themselves.

There is a lot of available software to calculate and consolidate data from the logs of multiple servers necessary for a high traffic site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the visit counters our remote traffic monitors do the job.</p>
<p>The only accurate way is from the server logs themselves.</p>
<p>There is a lot of available software to calculate and consolidate data from the logs of multiple servers necessary for a high traffic site.</p>
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		<title>By: GINA COBB</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717176</link>
		<dc:creator>GINA COBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Daily Kos Not So Big After All?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Are the traffic numbers for the biggest website on the left, Daily Kos, inflated by about 60% due to an anomaly in SiteMeter that treats each new page view on a high-traffic site as a new visitor to the site? Patrick Ruffini explains:Earlier today, it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Daily Kos Not So Big After All?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Are the traffic numbers for the biggest website on the left, Daily Kos, inflated by about 60% due to an anomaly in SiteMeter that treats each new page view on a high-traffic site as a new visitor to the site? Patrick Ruffini explains:Earlier today, it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Cobb</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717139</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Alexa stats are even more squirrely and less transparent than those of SiteMeter.  Alexa does not even disclose total traffic counts that it relies upon, probably because those counts would reveal how many visitors it is missing.  Alexa&#039;s visit tracking system may contain some of the same errors as SiteMeter&#039;s.

Besides, the fact that Alexa&#039;s statistics are derived from use of its toolbar, which is popular primarily with techies, guarantees that Alexa&#039;s statistics will be badly distorted in favor of whichever websites happen to be favored by that community.

These may be the best tools available so far, but Patrick Ruffini has raised an important question that SiteMeter needs to address -- either by showing that its tracking system does not double- or triple-count visitors to high-volume websites during the same visit based on each page view, or by upgrading its software so that it can more reliably track traffic on high-volume websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Alexa stats are even more squirrely and less transparent than those of SiteMeter.  Alexa does not even disclose total traffic counts that it relies upon, probably because those counts would reveal how many visitors it is missing.  Alexa&#8217;s visit tracking system may contain some of the same errors as SiteMeter&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Besides, the fact that Alexa&#8217;s statistics are derived from use of its toolbar, which is popular primarily with techies, guarantees that Alexa&#8217;s statistics will be badly distorted in favor of whichever websites happen to be favored by that community.</p>
<p>These may be the best tools available so far, but Patrick Ruffini has raised an important question that SiteMeter needs to address &#8212; either by showing that its tracking system does not double- or triple-count visitors to high-volume websites during the same visit based on each page view, or by upgrading its software so that it can more reliably track traffic on high-volume websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Darnell Clayton</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717085</link>
		<dc:creator>Darnell Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never liked Sitemeter. Too limiting.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statcounter.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stat Counter&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://analytics.google.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Analytics&lt;/a&gt; are much better, as they provide more detailed results in a user friendly way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never liked Sitemeter. Too limiting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.statcounter.com/" rel="nofollow">Stat Counter</a> and <a href="http://analytics.google.com/" rel="nofollow">Google Analytics</a> are much better, as they provide more detailed results in a user friendly way.</p>
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		<title>By: pedestrian</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717074</link>
		<dc:creator>pedestrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like right now half of Hotair&#039;s entry pages are coming internally. It&#039;s over &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&amp;s=sm8dailykos&amp;r=37&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;90%&lt;/a&gt; for dailykos, so yeah, their visit figures are meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like right now half of Hotair&#8217;s entry pages are coming internally. It&#8217;s over <a href="http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&amp;s=sm8dailykos&amp;r=37" rel="nofollow">90%</a> for dailykos, so yeah, their visit figures are meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Speakup</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/03/patrick-ruffini-sitemeter-inadvertently-inflating-koss-traffic-by-60/comment-page-1/#comment-717069</link>
		<dc:creator>Speakup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Site Meter have any ability to distinguish between a bunch of clicks made by a bot from the same computer (with the appropriate timing) and separate users from separate computers or are they all just site clicks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Site Meter have any ability to distinguish between a bunch of clicks made by a bot from the same computer (with the appropriate timing) and separate users from separate computers or are they all just site clicks?</p>
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